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establish a select committee tomorrow. welcome to tuesday. it is meet the press daily. i'm chuck todd. wie got updates on the situation in south florida as rows cue efforts super their sex day. officials have briefed the public. the death toll remains at 11. more than 200 people are assisting in the search and rescue efforts. here's governor ron desantis. >> people ask what is their hope or what's going to happen. the way i look at it as an old navy guy, when somebody's missing in actions in the military, you're missing until you're found and we don't stop the search. so i think that's what's happening.

those first responders are breaking their backs trying to find anybody they can and they are going to continue to do that. >> look, that's unfortunately the way you have to think about it. this is the search mission. people need closure no matter what and how long it takes. as this tragedy unfolds, the produce announced that president biden will travel to surf side. two new warnings about the structural condition have surfaced. again, just like all these other findings, it's pretty haunting the fir is a letter from april of this year warping powers that they were in desperate need of repairs. she wrote, concrete deterioration is aksel rating and she noted concrete spauling,

cracking, if you will and it's rusting and deernting beneath the surface. and there was this report by the miami herald. take a look at these pictures. it shows what looks like corrosion on concrete issues. they have not spoken to the contractor who took these photos. of any of the imagine known are connected to the collapse yet. there's a lot of research that needs to be done to do that, but more dots to be connected for sure. men while many residents have voluntarily evacuated from the neighboring condo tower due to fears. one resident showed us a large crack in the garage that he said did not show up until after the collapse. we're told officials in that

building have scheduled a full inspection that begins today. antonio hilton is in surfside, florida, the northern part of what most people call miami beach, the barrier island that houses all of these places, so antonia, let's start with anything new. this is day six of a rescue mission. i thought the governor's comments were poignant. it doesn't matter what you call it, search and rescue, recovery, these families want to guess closure one way or the other. where are we today? >> reporter: what i found interesting coming out of the press conference and it's also what i'm seeing on the ground now. there's a growing divide and daengs and the reality of what friends and loved ones are experiencing and communicating to reporters now on the ground.

what i mean by that is the governor and others are saying that people, they are holding out hope that they are going to find survivors. when you talk to family and friends, they are in some cases giving up hope that their grandmother, that their friend now would have survived six days under heavy concrete and sheetrock. i spoke to one woman and she told me that she at this point there's no chance her friend is still alive. all this pain is being compounded by this april 2021 letter that nbc news has obtained that shows that the leadership reached out the residents, spoke about these damages, trying to raise money, and the damages that they describe are quite extensive. i want to read again some of what this letter shows here and that people are talking about on the ground today. the concrete damage observed

will plult ply exponentially over the years. it's gotten significantly worse since the initial inspection. when you can see the concrete spauling cracking, that means the rebrar holding it together is deterioratesing beneath the surface. we do not know that what's described -- the damages described in this letter are directly responsible for this collapse. what will we do know is this is leading to intensifying action. residents are suing this condo association planning to hold them accountable. they're moving through this closure phase mchlt o less focused on finding survivors, they're wondering who's going to be held accountable here. chuck. >> i think that's a big question a lot of us would like answers to. thank you. joining me is charles burkett, the mayor of survegside. thanks for coming oun.

it's difficult situation to i'm sure to deal with these grooesk families. how are youed dealing with this divide where some families want to keep hype live and other families that are essentially looking for closure and they're ready to say let's move in another direction as we deal with this. >> we talked about that specific issue this morning with families. so many skk questions, how long can people survive anne arundel and i had the answer because i had sent it to the mayor couple of days ago. i think it was unclear what that number was but i felt important that nbc has done a study or written a comprehensive article on what happens when buildings collapse and how long people can sur slooif under the rubble. it pointed out a woman from

bangladesh who was pulled out after 17 days. as far as i'm concerned, i'm not really interested in discussing stopping the rescue earth at all. >> lets turn to the safety of the site right now. how concerned -- there's been some issues of falling debris how concerned are you about the rest of the south tower coming down? >> it's only debris. the falling debris is mostly centered on the west side of the mound and overnight they put cones up and i was told that there had been something that fell down and they don't want the workers getting too close where they're able to remediate that problem, but that hasn't stopped the work. the work continues. we have well over 175 search and

rescue men and women pouring all over that site, trying to get these people out of there and reunite them with their families, which is trackly our only task. 're only concerned about that. we've got resources we need. we really have a mud problem. we have to play that we can get some of those people out of there and reunite them with their families. >> you were rather blunt when you said you wouldn't sleep in the sister condo building in the champlain powers north. we know there's some kraekss under way. should it be voluntary? do you think that building essentially be deemed condemned? >> let's remember a couple of things. what i did was i reached out to senator scott and mayor cava

about my concerns the first night. once i found out there was a sister building essentially the same, we discussed it and we -- the consensus was we were first going send our building initial there to do an assessment. we additional hire an expert. the gentleman that did the pentagon after 911 and the fiu bridge when it collapsed. he and our building officials walk through that building and basically came away they called me the next -- that evening and said mr. mayor, we didn't see anything that jumped out at us that rose to the point where we would push the panic button today. but having said that, basically we recommend full top-to-bottom, structural systems which is now going on. i understand that the national

agents in this might be in there doing an official circle. i think that the condominium association, i know that they're associating now with experts who will in trying to make an arrangement to get in there we're going to make alternative housing units variable for anyone that wants to move. we were told by the condominium association that there are 15 families living in the building right now, so it's not very full. and that two of those familiar less have expressed interest of not staying there while the investigation was undertaken. >> gout. before i let you go, i know you're extraordinarily busy right now and i appreciate you spending a few minutes. we know the president is coming on thursday. oovlsly i'm guess you've had some coordination with the white house. what do you hope to get from the president's visit? >> well, i tell you what.

probably ijs operation. we've already gotten the other part, which is did resources. white house called mel very early on and told me in so many worths that they were going to move heaven and earth to make surely we got what we need. we do not have a resource problem. we had a fire for days and we've had difficult weather. now i'm told we have portfolio tropical storm brewing in the gulf. the luck hasn't been so good and that's what we need right now. we just need a little luck. >> mr. mayor, hang in there. you g a whole nation that's pulling for you. happening in there. appreciate you spending a few minutes with us. yougate. all right. let's dig more into the complicated parts of this search and rescue.

he was thefire commissioner during 911. so tom, look we've heard nobody wants to discuss when something becomes search and rescue to simply recovery. but is there a ditches for those first responders and there a difference in what you'd be doing if it were only a roovrry mission. >> well, the difference is that i think you take less risk for the rescuers. right now those firefighters and police, ems, all the person el in the teams are taking enormous risks, kraug into areas that they're not sure are going to remain stable, standing underneath debris that's loose and can easily come down, hit them on the head. somebody fell 25 feet the other day. they've taken a lot of risks. once you say we really believe now that there's no longer any hope of finding a survivor,

we're willing to take less resk. like the governor said we're go to do everything we can to recover every bit of the remains we can, people who didn't survive. we're going to take less risk. are that will probably be made by the incident commander. >> want to talk about the air quality issues, considering what ended up hpg with so many of your brothers and sisters in -- after 9/11. what you've seen -- i mean, do you feel like that some lessons have been learned? do you the feel like we're protecting our first responders from the potential toxic air issues that have come up? the mayor has said they've done testing of the air and they don't believe it's toxic, but what have you seen? do you feel like we're learning -- we learned some lessons what happened to first responders after 9/11. >> yeah, i think we have. also you probably remember,

chuck, that we got reports from the epa that the air we were breathing was ok, also. i think what's different as much as the similarities of the two incidents, much greater with so much more fire, two 110 story buildings. the guys are breathing while they were searching. these rescuers, once they put that fire out, it looks to me like they've got control of the air virginia. i vn seen anybody without a respirator, which is symbolic of the discipline they have in an instance like this. >> so at some point -- and i heard that study i think the 17-day -- it sounds like the mayor has an idea of when he wants to changing from search and rescue to simply recovery.

what is the next 30 days going to look like once this becomes a recovery and then also having to still be careful with this debris, you want to, you know, find any missing persons and you also want to find out what happened. you also want to preserve evidence. what is that going to look like, say, in the next 30 days? >> i've been looking at this a lot the last six days, and up think back to our efforts in holding out hope for all of the families, and i've been involved with fema and i notice a difference in structures, muds slides, earthquakes, puerto rico. where youle find the survivors, in my experience has been when you have poor construction. when you have good cob instruction like here in united

states and florida, that building was an excellent building four years ago. whether or not it was maintained property. because of the steelt and concrete it lessen the chances of people being found, tall concrete and steel is very, very heavy. the chances of people survivor is slim. now, in the beginning we have real hope, six days ago. as the days go by it becomes less and less of a possibility that you are going to have survivors. that decision can't be made by me here in new york or by you. it's made by experts on the scene who believe there is hope. when they believe there's no longer hope, they will change to it recovery and will not take as many risks. but it will go on for weeks, like you sigh, until they get as much evidence as they can to try to find out what happened and give the loved ones as much of a -- you know, closure is that

that we're never supposed to use but it gives you one of the biggest things in september, not being able to give a family the remains of their loved ones. that may our nightmare a run times worse. >> i can only imagine. by the way, would you wish they were already ordering an evacuation of that north tower building? it feels like as sbhoob has to lead a search and rescue operation, and you see is this the time to be a bit more risk averse? >> i don't know. they've got some -- i'm sure they're all over that building as far as inspecting it and we don't have any necessarily belief that need to belief that it was in dire shape that this building was in. it looks like -- like someone said this morning, it was an excellent engineer. just because you have a 40-year inspection rule doesn't mean you're not supposed to do

anything for 40 years. what has not been done and what they can't see is what they need to be looking for now to find out what they can see is going on. not when you can see. >> former new york city fire commissioner, appreciate you coming on and sharing with us. i think it's quite important. >> thanks, todd. >> we're going to continue to follow this story and we're going to go bring you any developments throughout the area if they happen. coming up, though, the national weather service is calling it historic, pro mongd and unprecedented. we'll talk to a weather expert. plus wiefd works to keep the infrastructure deal intact, i'll talk to someone else who ran for president on a theme of bipartisanship about the democratic party and its future. . what else can go from your car's cup holder to a crystal bowl and seem equally at home?

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welcome back. the pacific is dealing with a historic heat wave. portland, oregon, yes, portland, oregon, broke the state's heat. for this weekend, the city's all-time high was 107 in 1981. seattle also had three consecutive days of triple digit for the first time on record. it's the result of a heat dome. this is a pocket of hot ocean air trapped by the atmosphere. the national weather service preponderance temperatures to follow to more manageable levels this week. they warped that it's unlikely to be similar. in other words, the climate has changed. what we're seeing could be only the beginning within that region and of course the united states as a whole. so joining me to break down the science behind this heat weave is a climate scientist and professor at oregon state

university. so andreas, i want to begin with sort of give us the scientific explanation of what this is. we've clearly got trapped cash on dioxide, we've got a shift in winds and it's creating this heat dome. how much of this is, quote, naturally occurring and how much of this is made much worse because we have so much more carbon dioxide now than at any point in recorded history. >> yeah. thanks for having me. it's difficult to answer at this point. what we do know is that heat waves have happened in the past so the fact that a heat wave occurs is nothing unusual. but we also know that human activity, especially the increase of co 2 concentrations in the atmosphere, accelerate or

make those heat waste worse, make them hotter. they make them longer and they make them more frequent, and so there's purely a human contribution to this heat wave. perhaps a hundred years ago we would have a heat wave like that but it wouldn't be as hot and as long and as frequent as they are now. >> i think the hard part for some people to grasp is that this isn't -- it doesn't feel like it came on gradually. it feels like it comes on suddenly. is that because of how we're paying attention to in it our own bhiends or is this how this works sometime where it seems gradual and then all of a sudden it's hyka there's a tipping point and all of a sudden, oh, my god kwrks we just -- now our heat wave is exponentially worse. >> i guess up to a certain point, you don't really feel thought much, if it's getting

just a little bit hotter, it's more or less normal. but once it gets really hot it affects people, it affects the whole society, infrastructure, and more, so yes, there are certainly these thresholds that are based on what we used to. they're high temperatures that we -- the record temperatures we had in the past. we are adapted to that. when the temperature exceeds those record number values, then we feel it. then we know something is dinktsd something is wrong and it up ends our lives to some degree. >> everything ends up being related to the other. it's taken time for it to heat up the eastern pacific. now we have this heat tomorrow over the pacific nesk, what's the next cascaing effect as wez move west to east around this

continent. >> well, i'm not sure what will happen next, but the -- unprecedented temperatures here and we have -- we do get temperatures about 100 degrees, typically in august or so, but to have those in june that is really unprecedented, something i've never experienced since i've lived here for more than 20 years, so, yeah, i'm not sure how this particularly event is going to proceed in the future, but the fact that it's getting warmer, the fact that we have more of these heat waves, it affects other things as well. it affects ecosystems and all of those effects are pretty up certain. so we don't really know how the ecosystems would be affected but definitely it will not make the

dangerous for wildfires better. it rather will make them worse. because drought and heat waves contributes to dryer fuel that then can lead to larger and more extensive heat waves -- fires, sorry. fires. so that is one of the impacts and dangers here. >> so bottom line, this is a carbon dioxide problem clear and swhimpl we have to limit how much we put in or figure out how to capture it? i mean we can debate about the cyclical nature of it but ultimately that's the core issue here, too much co 2 in the air. >> it makes them worse. they always happened and they will happen in the future, but the more co 2 we put into the -- the warmer it gets and the more frequent these events become and we -- we will hit more and more

records, more and more unprecedented events if we do not get the climate stabilized. in order to stabilize climate, we need to reduce carbon emissions. we need to reduce them all the way to zero in the long term to stabilize climate. as long as we put more carbon into the father, the co 2 doze go up and the climate gets warmer. we need to reduce emissions all the way to zero to stabilize climate. >> bringing some science to this discussion, and now the policymakers have to realize, get on top of getting to a situation where we limit and get to nearly zero co 2. as you said, get to zero, period. andreas, thanks for coming on. i appreciate it. >> my pleasure. thank you for having me. >> coming up, republicans blocked an independent

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january 6th commission. the committee's chair will have sole powers. there's no vote on whether a subpoena should be issued, which is not how it worked with the proposed bipartisan mission but republicans refused to have them. the committee will be posed by 15 members, five appointed after consultation with minority leader mcconnell. republican whip steve scalise did not commit to republicans even serving on the community. nancy pelosi told nbc news that she's seriously considering appointing a republican. there are ten that voted to impeach the president. joining me now is garrett haig. this seems to be i guess number one the focus being on the republican speak pelosi would pick, the first two names that

jump out are liz cheney and adam kinzinger. it seems as if liz cheney is the one that would create perhaps the most bipartisan look of any pick she would make. >> yes, chuck. i think that's frankly the whole list. those are the two republicans who have at least left the door open. a lot of republicans who voted for impeachment or the commission idea to study what happened on january 6th have since come pack and said that's the thing they're trying to avoid. they don't want to get into a committee like we saw in benghazi. cheney is a separate brand, separate entity and wouldn't necessarily go along with what democrats are hoping to see done in this committee. even with cheney or kinzinger, let's say, is selected, democrats would still control the majority of that committee with the way the speaker has

broken it up. it's one seat more partisan than the benghazi. there's a little bit of a firewall built in for democrats there. >> i am curious. the idea that in consultation with kevin mcmarty. they're doing that to prevent margie taylor green? is this an insurance policy against her being on the committee? >> i don't think it's just her but i think it allows as little veto by the speaker. i'm not sure she's a pick that leader mccarthy would choose. she's not someone who's got close relationships with leadership. he has handled that relationship as carolly as he could. i think if i'm kemp mccarthy, i'm going to want to pick allies, partisans, warriors, potentially, to be sure. that seems to be the way the republicans want to handle this. you want to pick people you know

puck work with and who aren't going to go rogue on you and create more headaches or headlines based on how they conduct themselves when that committee holds hearings. >> i know a lot of people are comparing this to the benghazi thing. except the benghazi thing had subpoena power and it will some serious political damage to hillary clinton. this should not be a complete that's dismissed even if its, quote, partisan, they don't have real powers here. >> absolutely. the subpoena power is real. the ability to focus the spotlight. i can tell you as someone who's tried to cover this with half a dozen different committees, each having a piece of what went on on january 6th, that won't the case if you have this can one select committee, especially if it's stocked with members with folks who run a serious operation here.

this will be a complete that matters. >> yeah. i think so, too. i'd bd careful of too many dispolicing this as a partisan affair. up next, two years after the first democratic primary debate, believe it or not, it was two years ago basically this last weekend that we had that two-day 20 person democratic primary deeblgt. i'm going to talk to the first democrat who jumped into the presidential race next. presidential race next tide pods ultra oxi one ups the cleaning power of liquid. can it one up whatever they're doing?

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how many democratic candidates do you think ran for president in 2020? >> i think there was about seven. >> 10? >> eight. >> 12? >> more than should have. >> i thought it was only like ten that ran. >> i think there might have been 17. >> oh, it was 15? 20? >> i'm saying 20.

>> i'm trying to think of how many were on the debate stands, 14 to 16 is going to be my wild guess. there were a lot in the beginning. >> welcome back. if you can't remember the entire 2020 democratic presidential primary field you're not alone. we've got people who don't remember how candidates there were. we're going to talk to some of the candidates but we want to talk to them through the frame of the current state of the democratic party. fittingly, the first candidate who announced his presidential run back in july of 2017, former maryland democratic congressman john delanie. it's good to see you. thanks for coming. >> thanks for having me, chuck. >> i warned to -- it's fitting to start with you because your entire mem is was dismissed early on by many. you talk about trying to create a broader democratic coalition, the need for bipartisanship

which is a hotly debated topic inside the democratic party and i'm curious what you think of how president biden, who i feel like is trying to be a little bit of that, but a little bit, you know, on the progressive side of things. he's trying to create a balance. what do you think he's learned and what have you learned about the democratic party five years later. >> so look. i think president biden's doing a great job. his presidency, the premise of his presidency and candidacy was very similar to what i ran on. obviously he was the standard bearer, and that worked out great, because we won. he's getting things done. he's created the environment where this bipartisan veto in the senate can get as far as it has and i think he's trying to restore a sense of normalcy how

the federal government functions. if you listen to the people who can't remember how many of us ran, it shows you the kind of things we're focused in inside the beltway is not what most americans are focused on. normal folks want a normal functioning government. i think it's terrific. >> it's interesting, you are in many ways the only people focused on the presidential primary campaign where the most devoted news junkies, people like myself who does this for a living, and it's pretty clear that the political press probably was influenced a bit too much by social media and social social media and the reality check tchl eric adams line in new york city, people on social media doesn't pick candidates. it's people on social security. >> that's a great line. >> think that there's a broader -- but there's something to it. how much do you think you were

hurt by this sort of where too many political reporters lived on twitter? >> i don't blame the reporters, you know you're not perfect but you do a great job day to day. only a small fraction of the country's on social media. that doesn't represent the real world. i thought eric adams' comments were spot on. the last time the democratic party created the primary. they took the power away from iowa and new harp sure. fortunately for joe biden with his extraordinary career in public service, he was able to hang in there. you saw it at the end. when voters wanted someone normal.

someone who's trying to bring us together, govern from the center. fortunately we're able to get through this social media primary but it's dangerous for the party going forward to let these loud voices -- these people are coming out against this bipartisan infrastructure plan and try to do things that would interrupt it, this country badly needs a bipartisan win. president biden would benefit enormously on a bipartisan win. >> so you went through a presidential process. i think it's interesting to when you sewed the social media primary with all d.l. bizarre rules of rewarding. do you think hay and new hampshire should have ets role? what would that look like in your mind. >> i do think there should be a new way.

look, the country's changed in loathes o of ways. i do like the idea of early states, you know, starting this off, but having maybe a few more in some rotation or have four or five in the same day. i think that's a better way to do it. because the jimmy carter model, which i tried doesn't really work anymore. i think the folks in iowa and new hampshire don't kind of listen to the candidates the way they used to. they go home and watch you all. i think you have a bigger impact than actually the candidates do. i would probably have a few small states go early. small states are important to go early because they don't cost too much money to advertise on. so a few small states, have them go early, four or five on the first day or something like that. that's what i would do. >> the jimmy carter model worked for jimmy carter. why everybody always tries to fight the last war is beyond me. are we going to see you on a

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big tech, they're going to have to put on their big girl and big boy pants and do it themselves. it doesn't look like congress is going to be any help from the courts. yesterday a judge dismissed the anti-trust case against facebook, adding it's almost as if the agency expects the court to simply nod to the conventional wisdom that facebook is a monopoly. i'm joined by cecelia kang. when i first saw this news i was stunned that so many state attorneys general, that a federal judge would just dismiss it out of hand. then i thought about how often lawmakers have given up the job themselves and have essentially relied on the courts to do the job. is that the message this judge

was sending? >> i think that's really an astute point. i also was stunned. this decision came very early in the process of these lawsuits. this was a real reminder that we have separate branches of government and the judicial branch does not always agree with the executive branch, nor with other branches of government. here is a case where there is incredible momentum right now in washington to regulate the tech companies and anti-trust has become sort of the tool of choice for many regulators to try to rein in the power and dominance of companies like facebook, google, amazon. the court is being much more conservative in its view towards how to deal with business and business monopolies and competition than regulators and politicians, who have talked for

a couple years now at least about the problems of big tech. so they're operating on two different streams if you will and parallel tracks. >> it's funny. we're sitting here because both you and i are surprised, then the longer you think about it, should we have been? the lawmakers themselves said we don't have enough teeth in the current laws. do they think judges don't read the media, they don't listen to these lawmakers? you hear senator klobuchar -- i'm not picking on her, but she wants to rewrite these laws. she wrote a book saying, hey, our laws are out of date. the judge could have easily used that as a reason not to take this case. >> yeah. i mean, the courts have to make their decisions based on case history and legal interpretations of anti-trust laws, laws created more than a

century ago and that haven't really been changed in terms of how people interpret the laws. key themes, for example, that the core question of whether consumers are harmed by a company that is alleged to be anti-competitive is something that hasn't changed, sort of a key tenet of anti-trust law. the federal judge who dismissed these complaints in this case and one case entirely has said, look, this is a preservice. he did mention that. that is implying this was known as a consumer welfare standard, the test as to whether prices have gone up and if consumers are harmed is still a pretty strong tenet of anti-trust law. >> last week the markup for one of the bills that would try to get at the size of these companies went until 5:00 in the morning. i think it's getting a serious

effort. we talk about bipartisanship in this town. this has bipartisan interest here. is this the focus now 100% of folks who would like to see more regulation realize the courts are not the answer, the answer is congress? >> yes. first of all, i think the fact that this has been a bipartisan push for these anti-trust bills is really surprising, especially in washington that we're in today. especially republicans are supporting the law because they are the party of the free market in many ways. it's absolutely going to be under the spotlight, these bills. as they make it potentially to the floor of the house and a next vote to the senate, it's going to be a steep challenge. but this absolutely jump starts or at least gives more momentum to those bills. that's going to be all the focus. there's going to be a lot more

pointing to these court decisions and saying, look, this is why the laws need to be reformed. >> cecilia kang, appreciate you coming on. guess what, politicians, you don't get to send out angry facebook e-mail fund-raising things. you guys actually have to do your jobs now. go figure this out. thank you all for being with us. we'll be back tomorrow. 'lwel be back tomorrow e to severe plaque psoriasis. now, there's skyrizi. ♪ things are getting clearer. ♪ ♪ i feel free to bare my skin yeah, that's all me. ♪ ♪ nothing and me go hand in hand nothing on my skin, ♪ ♪ that's my new plan. ♪ ♪ nothing is everything. ♪ achieve clearer skin with skyrizi. 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months. of those, nearly 9 out of 10 sustained it through 1 year. and skyrizi is 4 doses a year, after 2 starter doses. ♪ i see nothing in a different way it's my moment ♪ ♪ so i just gotta say... ♪

♪ nothing is everything. ♪ let's take you straight to wisconsin where president biden is delivering those infrastructure remarks. >> i said please sit down and there were no seats. they were out in a football field. [ laughter ] >> and the press pointed out biden's losing it. i can see you all have seats. [ laughter ] >> thank you very much. i told lori when she was showing me the bus she's driving now, back when i was in law school i drove a school bus during the summers to pick up spending money. from one bus driver to another, lori, i want to thank you for all you do to make this city

run. you help folks get where they need to go and you do it in a way that sometimes is not always easy. i'm glad to be here with great wisconsin leaders. gov, i guess i landed here a few minutes before you did. thanks for making the effort to be here. my good friend senator balin is here and congressman ron kind is here. mom, thank you for raising a good kid. [ applause ] >> and mayor reynolds, i was telling the mayor he just won an election. i said, you know, i always wonder about anybody who runs for mayor, because it's the hardest job in american politics. they know where you live. you can't go to the grocery store. why is that pothole still there? i get it. you don't even control that.

mr. mayor, thank you for your service. i'm here in wisconsin to celebrate the step forward for my country, our country. talk a little bit about what it's going to mean for working families here in wisconsin and across the nation. when i was sworn in five months ago, i pledged to put my whole soul into bringing america together. i said i was running for three reasons, the last one of which i said is to unite america. i think some of my friends in the press felt it's impossible. i still don't think it is. but because i believe there's nothing we cannot do if we come together as a nation, democrats and republicans. we're really divided on a whole range of things. if you look back across our history from the transcontinental railroad to the creation of the internet, you can see the truth in that idea about coming