gangster depth, the stealth and lies, we the people must redeem the land, the minds, the plants, the rivers, the mountains and the endless plain, all, all the stretch of these great green states, and make america great again. final thoughts? >> fascinating. america is an argument. we don't need to seed it to folks who think it is one thing. it's an argument to be made and had and fought over. let's fight for a more just america and langston hughes made that really clear to us. >> that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. hi, there. i'm stephanie ruhle. it's wednesday, june 30th and there is a ton going on. today the house is set to vote on a bill that will establish a committee to investigate testify

january 6th insurrection on our capitol. republicans are calling it a partisan employ, but speaker pelosi says at least five republicans are going to be part of the probe. while in new york, the mayoral race thrown into absolute self-induced chaos overnight after the board of elections counts more than 100 test ballots as real ballots. what that means for the front runners -- excuse me, 100,000. what that means for the front runners and the final result. and extreme heat is now moving across the country to the northeast, with multiple cities now declaring emergencies. the weather is a threat for millions across the country, and president biden focusing on it today. we must start with several key new developments down in the south florida condominium complex. at this hour 12 people are confirmed dead and 149 unaccounted for. no one has been pulled alive from the rubble since early last thursday, just hours from the collapse. president biden and the first

lady will travel to surfside tomorrow and state officials say they plan to launch several different investigations, including one state attorney raising the possibility of potential criminal investigations. i want to get to the latest at the scene. also joining us, the miami herald's new municipal government reporter. we're hearing weather could threaten the search efforts. what's going on? >> reporter: that's right, stephanie. already wind and rain has at times over the last several days hampered the search and rescue mission here and now it looks like coming tropical storms could make this even more complicated. and this mission here has already been so agonizing. to paint a picture for folks, there is extremely heavy concrete sheetrock constantly shifting debris, and every time there are challenging weather conditions or there is a serious movement in that debris, it

essentially causes an equal and opposite reaction. and at times it requires the first responders, the workers on site, to pause and reassess how they can safely move through this debris in the hopes of rescuing or recovering people. but when those pauses happen, it ends up causing frustration and anxiety for the friends, the family members, loved ones, who knew people in this tower, who are anxiously awaiting answers, anxiously awaiting to find out the fate of the people they love. there's the tension between the need to move meticulously and carefully through these dangerous conditions and the desire for people to get answers and start having closure. >> what is the difference between this being a search and rescue mission and a recovery mission? how does the search change? because let's be honest, it's been days. >> reporter: that is really the central and essential question right now, and people are actively debating it here on the

ground. when you talk about a rescue mission, the first responders are operating under the assumption that people are alive. and when you talk about recovery, that means they're operating under the assumption that people are dead. and right now the public messaging from officials is that this is still a rescue mission. they are holding out hope that miracles could happen, that someone is going to be pulled from the rubble alive. but like you said, it has now been days before anyone alive has come out of the rubble, and family members, neighbors, community members, and even some workers i've spoken to who are at the site every day, are starting to feel frustrated with that narrative, as it dawns on them that their friend or grandmother could not have survived seven days under heavy concrete now, that the site when you look at it, the levels of this building have sort of pancaked down in a way. and mayor levine cava has acknowledged that family members may very well not receive their

loved one's body, it may be body parts. that is grim to contemplate, but some families are eager for officials to be blunt and honest, so they can move forward and plan ceremonies. it will be interesting when president biden comes here tomorrow, because he is known to talk so bluntly about his grief and be empathetic as he speaks to families who have gone through crises like this one. it will be interesting to see if the tone around moving forward, openly grieving and talking about recovery changes at all, stephanie. >> aaron, there were warning signs, this building was in trouble and people knew it. you co-wrote that bombshell report showing two photographs taken by a pool contractor inside the now-collapsed building. what did that contractor tell you about the conditions he witnessed before the collapse? >> well, this was a pool contractor who was on the site just two days before the building collapsed, and one of the things he saw, which is not

specifically shown in those photos, was he said there was deep-standing water in the parking garage underneath the pool deck, actually deepest right in an area below where the building ultimately collapsed. and then he was brought to another area underneath the pool deck, t pl equipnt room, which is where he snapped those photos, because he found them so concerning. it shows substantial cracking and rusting in one of the beams, and he actually sent those photos to his boss at the time because he found them so concerning, and i think what they seem to show from the experts that we spoke to, is what the condo association president wrote to residents in a letter in april, which ishat the problems, particularly around this pool deck area and below, had gotten significantly worse since 2018, which is when

an engineer reported to the board that there were substantial issues that would get exponentially worse over time. >> reported it to the board, but the board are just a bunch of people who live there. is this tragedy the tip of the iceberg, aaron, not just for this building, not just for florida, but across the country? there are aging high-rise buildings being run by unsophisticated homeowners associations, who are trying to spend as little money on maintenance as possible. >> i think that's the crucial question here. you know, we don't know. it's going to take a while before we know exactly what went wrong with this building that led to such a catastrophic failure. we might not know that for years after federal investigations take place. and so the complications of whether there was something specific about this structure that led it to fail, whether this was an anomaly, or whether

this is something that could happen anywhere, are enormous. and you're already seeing the fallout from that, you know, officials in miami-dade county have called for an audit of a lot of the buildings that are 40 years and older, and like you said, there are a lot of questions here about the oversight mechanisms. are condo boards really equipped to make these decisions? they have perhaps conflicting interests when they're asking -- when they're elected they're asking for residents, owners, to pay substantial assessments, in this case over $100,000 on average for unit owners to make these repairs, and there's also questions about the government oversight. we've written about the role of the town of surfside in this and what responsibility they ultimately had to look at this report, and once they did, to flag it as something serious.

and so it raises a lot of questions. >> but even though miami officials, as you said, are now urging condo associations with buildings more than 40 years old and higher than six stories to do inspections in the next 40 days, urging isn't requiring. and they can't require it, at this point, given the regulations, they can't require these buildings to do anything. and if the residents don't want to put out the money, we're going to stay in this compromised situation. >> well, it's interesting, because the 40-year inspection process is actually something that was put in place in the '70s and actually makes miami-dade and broward county to the north has something similar, one of the stricter processes in the country in this regard. and so, like you said, i think this is likely to lead to a broad re-examination of the

requirements and how often inspectors are required to take a look at these buildings. and even if you look at the 40-year process itself, experts have told us it's largely a visual process, you know, unless there is a decision made by the engineers and the board to dig deeper, they're not necessarily looking at the conditions underground. they're not necessarily doing more testing within the concrete to find out just how substantial these issues are. and so whether or not this particular building was an anomaly, i think it's clear that it raises serious concerns about the oversight process. >> well, this tragedy is certainly a call to action. aaron, i know you're going to be reporting on it. antonia, thank you so much. let's turn to washington, d.c. where the house is on the verge of creating a committee to

investigate the january 6th insurrection. the real question is not whether it will pass, but more whether any plans will back it or take part in the investigation. i want to bring in nbc national political reporter and co-founder of punchbowl news. how are you expecting the whole vote to break down? >> we are expecting it to pass. democrats are on board and are going to vote yes as a block. we don't know if any plans are going to vote for it. the key figures to keep an eye on are republicans like liz cheney and adam kensinger, who have been the most forceful about the need to investigate what happened on that deadly day and who have broken from former president trump and their own republican party leadership about the way to go forward. we do know for virtual certainty that the republican vote count for this bill is going to be much less than the 35 members who voted for the bipartisan independent commission that would have been evenly split between the two parties. this one, on the other hand, is

going to be eight appointees by speaker pelosi and five in consultation with kevin mccarthy. so democrats are going to have their own way in terms of how to go about investigating this once the panel is created. >> five republicans on the committee. any idea who we're talking about? and are they going to get five to even vote for it? >> i don't know if you're going to get five to vote for it. i really doubt it, to be honest. you know, we talked to kevin mccarthy, the house minute order about this yesterday, he didn't want to say anything. he says he's looking at it. at this point if kensinger or cheney were to accept that position from pelosi, then the way republicans would interpret it is those members would not be running for re-election. so the message coming out, this is a political employ by

democrats. they're trying to drag donald trump and the january 6th insurrection into the 2022 election. that's been their message all along. this is a political move by pelosi. of course it's not. we have to find out what actually happened on january 6th. so, you know, i think they're trying to do it that this is our side versus them. >> let's talk about another political move, john. i want to talk house republicans, because you've got some reporting on how they're going to vote on the senate's bipartisan infrastructure bill. typically their votes would not matter very much, but if progressive democrats oppose this bipartisan bill, those republican votes are going to become very, very valuable in the argument the president wants to make, that he's all about bipartisanship. >> yeah, the margin that speaker pelosi and the democrats have in the house is only four votes.

it's a 50/50 tie in the senate and a four-vote majority in the house. these are razor thin margins, really small margins. so democratic leadership don't have a lot of wiggle room here. if they lose progressives, if they lose members on their left because they don't think that that legislation goes far enough on climate change, or resiliency or some of the big issues we have to deal with, then they would have to get votes from somewhere else. they would have to get them from republicans. and republican leadership doesn't believe there's ten votes there. so, again, the room that pelosi has on this is very small. but, you know, first of all, you have to get this bipartisan bill through the senate and that itself is going to be a huge problem. >> okay, then to that point, is nancy pelosi the one with the

power, and really the one blocking this? if senate republicans sign on to this bipartisan bill, there's no way they're going to stick with it if it's linked to a big massive reconciliation bill. they're going to look like fools, because biden will have gotten the bipartisan win, check, but democrats will also get their big, massive bill on their own. why would they ever agree to that? >> stephanie, you just said it. speaker pelosi is the one with the power. she has made it abundantly clear she's not going to put the bipartisan infrastructure bill on the floor of the house for a vote until the senate passes that multi-trillion dollar economic safety net package, the human infrastructure piece. there's a reason she's doing this, which is that progressives are flexing their muscle and insisting they're not going to vote for the bipartisan infrastructure deal without the reconciliation piece. congresswoman bowman said it's not good enough, if it came up as a stand alone, he's a no. pelosi is dealing with a harsh

mathematical reality where members on her left flank have real leverage, real power, and are using it. there aren't enough republican votes there for the taking that could make up for the potential lack of votes that they would lose on her left. this is a rare moment where progressives have power, they're using it and that's why you see speaker pelosi res lute in the fact they are linked. the deal, the negotiators in the senate group are saying that they are ready to move forward after president biden's walk-back of the veto threat, stephanie. >> john, how bad is that for biden? you're not getting both done at the same time, you're just not. >> listen, this is going to be the question of the rest of the summer for us up on the hill and for the congress, is, you know, can they get the infrastructure bill through, can they get the social programs funded, can they juggle both at the same time. listen, the president is going to have to get this done.

biden is going to have to lean on his left, members on his left, progressives, he's going to have to do this. he and pelosi are going to go to do that in the house and the senate with chuck schumer. this is going to have to be the president leading his party. the other factor is if you're a moderate democrat and you're looking at 2022 and you're thinking the republicans are going to win the house, you've got a problem here. no matter what biden says, you know, you may not want to vote for this. so you're going to have to find a sweet spot in their own party, biden, schumer and pelosi, and it's going to be very, very difficult to do. >> a sweet spot in politics in 2021. good luck to all involved. thank you so much. we're going to leave it there. we are continuing to follow the search and rescue efforts taking place in surfside, florida. coming up, we're going to hear from a daughter whose mother has been missing since the collapse.

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just hours from now the house will vote on a committee to investigate the january 6th capitol riot and it cannot come soon enough. the department of homeland security now worried about a conspiracy theory that former president trump will magically become president again in august. joining me now, michigan democratic congresswoman, a member of the homeland security committee and a former cia analyst. congresswoman, you were briefed about this theory and this is worrisome. three in ten republicans actually believe that trump could be back living in the white house in august. we can laugh about it, but it's not funny, especially when we think about places like your home state where you had extremists plot to kidnap the governor. how threatening are these people and these theories? >> listen, i don't think conspiracy theories are ever good and we saw on january 6th that you can have a conspiracy theory that gets amplified and people act on it and they act

violently on it. we're watching this very closely, obviously after january 6th we take everything seriously. we did have a brief last week and i did ask the question about are we seeing the potential threat of organization or violence ahead of an august, you know, conspiracy theory date. and the department didn't see anything, pledged to keep watching it. and i think it's just something we're all on edge about because of what happened on the 6th. >> is dhs now doing a good job at rooting out the disinformation that causes these type of threats? >> i think it's important to understand what dhs is doing and isn't doing. no, they're not rooting out misinformation because we have major issues with the first amendment and people's right to freedom of speech. it's not the department of homeland security's responsibility to root out things like misinformation. their job is to protect the homeland and to make sure that anyone becoming violent is stopped ahead of time. so they're focusing on the folks who translate those conspiracy

theories into violent plots. that's what we're focused on. we have a much bigger societal information when it comes to misinformation and disinformation. we have legislation we're looking at, education that needs to happen on digital literacy. you can't just go and tell someone about the theories even if we find them e egregious. >> your own colleague was featured on an invite for a white nationalist group's fundraiser. he himself spread lies about election fraud more than any other republicans did. how do you root out extremism when it's actually in congress? >> yeah, well, first of all, i mean those kinds of things are disgusting and we all work together and live together here and see each other and it's made for some pretty tense environments here on capitol hill. everyone has a responsibility to be a leader and send the right

message, and obviously i don't think those are the right messages. we have taken action, when some people have said certain things, they've been removed from their committees. there are some things that we can do. but it's obvious that we're struggling with this and how this is playing out in the u.s. congress. and i'll admit it's difficult for me as well. there's freedom of speech and egregious behavior, and it's hard. >> committee removals, like let's be honest, who cares? >> well, they care and their party cares. and to be honest with you, literally, i opened the question for debate, what is the responsibility when someone is -- if they're threatening violence, that's a red line. if they're threatening violence, that is it. that is when your freedom of speech ends and you are into a very different category of behavior. but short of that, it's obvious that across the country we're struggling with this. and the social media companies are trying to do something. they've gotten better at the spread of this stuff or clamping down on the spread of this

stuff. but you're right, it's very difficult to liston a peer say those things. my tools against that person are very limited. >> regulation would certainly change the behavior of those social media companies. house speaker pelosi spoke to you about being on the january 6th committee. do you want to be? >> she's not spoken to me. i think she's keeping her cards very close to her vest and, like i said, we're in the world of second-best options. i think given what we saw on january 6th, anyone who is asked to serve on this should step up and do it. >> before we go, i do want to ask you, you are in a swing district. right now progressives might hold all the cards in terms of getting something done on a bipartisan infrastructure bill. we know that even if the actual work of things like defund the police are very good for our country and public safety, they're damaging to people trying to get re-elected in

swing districts like yours. are you worried about losing your seat right now? >> listen, i am a democrat who represents a republican-leaning seat so it's never going to be a walk in the park. but, you know, i believe in my constituents that they want someone who, even if they don't always agree with, has some sort of decency and integrity and rigor with how they look at the bills i'm voting on. so i'm going to keep doing what my constituents expect of me. the slogans coming out of other people, i don't think they're helpful. we get a better reaction by creating resources. i'm going to do what my constituents want me to do, which is not to get into a back and forth with progressive versus moderate. it's delivering for people on the ground. >> decency, integrity and vigor, a lot of americans can get behind that. congresswoman, thank you for joining me this morning. i appreciate it.

>> thank you. we've got some absolutely ridiculous breaking news, overnight in new york a chaotic twist in new york city's yesterday to be determined race for mayor. in just the last few hours, election officials releasing and then retracting their latest vote count in the democratic primary. i want to get the latest from katie glick. what in god's name is going on? >> it's been chaos. yesterday the board of elections was set to release a snapshot of preliminary results concerning how new york democratic voters had ranked their preferences for mayor under the city's new ranked choice voting system. so that's where the day started. by the end of the day they had taken down the tabulations. they cited a discrepancy and released a statement suggesting that they did not remove sample ballot images that they had in place for testing purposes. they hadn't removed those when

they released the actual results. now we're going through the process all over again and it's raising a lot of concern for a lot of people about how new yorkers are going to view the results of this process. >> so what happens? a recount, a new vote? this couldn't be happening at a worse time when election security is on the minds of so many people across the country. >> absolutely, of course, as we all remember, we are fresh off of a presidential election where there were efforts at every turn to stoke baseless concerns around the integrity of the election. this time around there are, again, real concerns around how voters are going to perceive the outcome here, more rooted at mya wiley, at concerns around confidence in the board of elections. the understanding is they are going to be running through another tally of the preliminary

ranked choice votes that new york democratic voters have cast. but it's important to note that that tally is not expected to include absentee ballots, or at least when they did the tally yet. as far as we know, there are more than 120,000 absentee ballots left to count. so even when we do get some more preliminary information it's still going to be lacking absentee votes. so a lot of questions around clarity and we are not expected to have more final results until at least mid next month. >> at least mid next month. ridiculous, idiotic and absolutely avoidable. bad on you, nyc. thank you so much for joining me. stay close, we've got to stay on top of this. when we come back, we are going to take you back to south florida, because right now at this moment crews are working around the clock for the seventh straight day in surfside. on the other side of the break, we will be speaking to a woman,

a daughter, whose mother has been missing since thursday. her message to rescue workers and others who are still holding out hope.

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in a little more than an hour, president biden is set to meet with governors from eight western states to discuss the blistering heat, devastating drought and wicked wildfires plaguing the region. it's not just the west. tens of millions of americans are under advisories today with extreme heat also blasting the

northeast. some cities have already declared states of emergency. stephanie gosk is live in new york city central park. how hot are we talking about here? >> reporter: it is hot. don't let these people who are crazy enough to be out here exercising fool you. it is going to be dangerous. here in new york city and across the northeast here are some of the numbers to think about. today in the northeast 46 million people are under heat advisories in 11 states. yesterday in boston the temperature reached 99, which is the hottest june day temperature in boston in nearly 70 years, going back to 1952. and then there's british columbia. one town in british columbia, this is canada, hit a third day, three days in a row, hit a record 121. that smashed the hottest day on record in canada. and that was as hot as it was in death valley yesterday. you may be wondering how i am

more or less keeping all of these numbers straight as i stand here roasting in the heat. the key, hydration, steph. you've just got to stay hydrated. >> stay hydrated. and who needs to run on a day like that? stephanie gosk, thank you so much. now we turn back to the rescue effort under way in south florida as teams continue digging through the rubble of the collapsed high-rise condo for a seventh straight day. friends and family of the missing say they are not giving up hope for some sort of miracle and that includes the family of judy spiegel, beloved mother, grandmother and friend. joining us, her daughter rachel spiegel. thank you for joining us. i know how hard this must be. i want to start with, how are you doing? >> i'm not doing very well. i lost the best person in my life, at least we haven't found her yet. hopefully we didn't lose her, but it doesn't look good.

we're just exhausted. i'm working tirelessly all day, all night. i got home again at 11:00 last night. you know, trying to spread awareness this morning and then going back on site right after this. we're going to meet with the idf. they want to understand, based on the floor plan of all the apartments, where my mom would have been, and at that hour she would have been in her bedroom. so really explaining to them where she would have been. >> what are officials telling you? have they been communicating regularly? >> yes, i mean, there is two communications a day. there's one right now, actually, my dad and my brother are on the zoom, and, you know, there's one at 5:30. we were physically at the one at 5:30 yesterday. it's really hard to be there. it's really hard to listen.

i mean, obviously it's important to be there and listen, but, you know, part of the problem that they were explaining last night is that the rain has been so difficult and it has washed away a lot of the blood. so in typical situations where they would use chemicals to really identify where people are, they're struggling with that because the rain has just washed it away. >> you talked to your mom a week ago, it was last wednesday night. can you tell us about the conversation? we don't know judy. >> my mom is just the best person. it's so hard. but, you know, i got like this weird news from a doctor. it turns out i did another test on monday and i found out yesterday things are looking to be fine, which also, obviously, is a good thing. but it infuriates me because i know that last day she had a lot

of anxiety for me. i had told my mom over the weekend that scarlet wanted a dress from the disney store. it's the disney store in target. so when i was there, i just said, oh, grandma will buy you the dress. i don't know why i said that. we were just buying so much and i was, like, oh, grandma will buy it for you. we told my mom and looked online and it was sold out. so my mom that night, the last text exchange we had, was that she was purchasing the dress. she found the dress. it was only in a size 4, and she bought the dress and then the dress arrived saturday night. we were all at my house when we got the target package. and scarlett wore the dress on sunday. so, you know, this is the most -- i know my mom is with us. we actually hacked into her email yesterday because we don't have any information on anything. my mom took care of a lot of stuff. and i saw more things she was

buying. so there's more packages from my mom that's out there. i don't know if it's clothes for me, because she would often just buy sweatshirts, you know, like everything that i've worn this whole week are things that she bought me. i don't have any of her stuff. my dad lost all his clothes, all our pictures, their wedding album. my baby book, my brother's baby book. i guess my parents are, like, too involved in our lives. my parents had our birth certificates. my husband and i don't even have our birth certificates. we have to get new birth certificates. i mean, these are things you don't necessarily think about. but my mom took care of everything. she was just the best person in the world. >> rachel, there's no such thing as a mother being too involved in your life.

i can tell you my mom, she's about 20 feet away from me right now. i am thinking about you, your mom, your dad, your daughter scarlett. our thoughts and prayers are with you and your family during this really difficult time. and for you at home watching this, let's just take a quick pause to think about all of our families and all of those families out there like rachel's who are waiting for any news about their loved ones, holding out hope against all odds that they will get some good news. let's just take this moment to take a deep breath together. we'll be right back. rachel, thank you. ♪ when technology is easier to use... ♪ barriers don't stand a chance. ♪ that's why we'll stop at nothing to deliver our technology as-a-service.

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an expert on all things trump and taxes and correspondent for pbs news hour and former federal prosecutor. ronaldo, at first we heard charges were going to be filed against the company, then we heard from trump's attorneys, not the government, that it could be unnamed employees. what is going on here and what are you expecting? >> what i'm expecting is charges against the high-level employees, for example, an alan weisselberg, the cfo of the company, which allow ts prosecutors to then also charge the company. they can hold the company responsible for the actions of weisselberg as long as they were done to benefit the company as well as weisselberg, if he was acting as an officer of the company, which i expect he was. so that's what i expect. there are going to be narrow charges on all of the reports we're hearing, things like not paying taxes on fringe benefits.

>> david, trump's lawyers keep cheering the fact that they don't expect trump himself to be charged f. the company is, what is that going to do to him? think back to enron. remember when arthur anderson was charged? where is it now, gone? >> this is the first indictment, not the last indictment, and the purpose of this indictment appears very much to be to get weisselberg to flip, but it will have a devastating effect on donald trump. i don't expect that bankers will call loans, but they certainly are not going to extend them any new credit. he's going to have difficulty getting contracts and having them renewed. he may have difficulty with the liquor licenses he has because the trump organization is donald trump, lock, stock and barrel. >> if this does end up being just some tax charges for lower level employees, let's be honest, that is not much return

for a three-year massive investigation. does that end up boosting trump's argument that this is an investigation in search of a crime? >> well, if it turns out that there are no high-level people charged and if the president himself does not have to face consequences, you can imagine that he's going to use the words he's used throughout his presidency when he was in office, during the mueller investigation, impeachment, after the january 6th insurrection, he's going to use the word witch hunt. he's going to say that he is the victim of a system that is stacked against him and that there is a deep state conspiracy theory against him. i've been texting and talking to trump associates just this morning and they've been saying that it's their prediction all of this was going to happen because the trump organization was doing all sorts of things that they see, this is of course people who were close to president trump texting me this morning, saying these were things they saw as illegal, as dubious, and that a lot of this flowed straight from donald

trump, former president trump and the way that he wanted to try to fudge his financials so that he could get as much as possible from the tax system, but also as much as possible for his organization in a way that they found to be alarming. of course it's up to the prosecutors what is illegal, but you can imagine if president trump does not have to face con questions, this is going to be another political boost for him. >> but trump doesn't use email, he's very careful about where he signs his name. he learned that from his father. a lot of the bad things he does, he knows how to get other people to do his dirty work for him. so, david, i have heard people say if you can't get weisselberg to flip, you can't get trump. do you believe that? >> no, not at all. i think it will be much easier if alan weisselberg decides to cooperate, rather than risk spending the rest of his life in prison. he's 73. so a sentence of ten years is probably a life sentence or close to it.

it would be a lot easier, but they've got lots and lots of documents and records. donald is ultimately responsible for this. and donald has a long, well-known history of fabricating documents, including one of his tax returns, so i'm sure they have found plenty of material. it will just be easier if they can get weisselberg to flip. >> but why don't we hear about that? ronaldo, thus far reuters show the court filings, weisselberg and his son receiving corporate perks and gifts potentially worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. if they didn't pay taxes, they could be in trouble. but that is not an 800-pound gorilla. are those things enough to get weisselberg to flip? >> i don't think so, actually. i've got to tell you, the amounts and the type of charge here, it doesn't floor me at all. i've worked on cases as a prosecutor, cases that didn't receive national attention in

terms of the amount of tax loss. now i represent clients sometimes who are under tax investigation and my advice to a client in this hypothetical situation would be, you're probably not going to get over a year in prison, maybe a going t you're in prison a year or two at most. you're always going to have a tax case because it's hard to prove the defendant's state of mind. we should test their evidence and go to trial and i would expect that that is what allen weisselberg will do. >> what do you think is happening inside trump camp right now? >> two trump camps, what's going through the president's mind and people close and loyal to him, they are really concerned and watching this very closely to see what actually happened. i then have the people that are scorned by president trump, those being the michael cohens and others who have really, the president did not show loyalty to and has thrown under the bus. those folks are watching this and saying is he going to pay

the consequences for a life that they believe really didn't see any hard consequences. he was a conspiracy theorist and perpetrated racist lies about former president obama and then became president. are the roosts going to come home for president trump or is he going to get away with it again? >> we'll soon find out. yamiche thank you so much, renato and david, thanks. now to the coronavirus pandemic. here are the facts, the delta variant renewing the debate over mask wearing after l.a. county urged everyone n, including fully vaccinated people who i'm sure don't want to, to keep wearing masks in public. the cdc director said federal guidelines are not changing. >> we have three vaccines that we know are safe and effective. if you're vaccinated, you are safe from the variants that are circulating here in the united

states. good news, moderna says a study found its vaccine shows promise against that delta variant and more about how the trump administration dropped the ball one year ago with a new book detailing how jared kushner and peter navarro threatened 3m's ceo with prison time because they wanted masks. joining me to discuss "washington post" editor damon poletta coauthor of "nightmare scenario: inside the trump's administration response to the pan emic." jared kushner and in a voe row threatening the ceo of a fortune 500 company with prison time. >> i thought we could have written a book about this one interaction. extreme need in march 2020 for masks. 3m produces them all over the

world. navarro and kushners and others wanted 3m to turn over all the masks they make around the world to the united states. they said we're doing everything we can but we have customers and clients all over the world also dealing with the pandemic. we have to fulfill the records and navarro and kushner and others would not take no for an answer and eventually got to the president's desk, the president was furious and signed a document that would have a one-year prison penalty for the head of a company if they did not comply with white house directives on mask production. eventually 3m relented and agreed to sell almost 150 million masks to the united states and the white house backed down. one of 3m's issues, we make a lot of the masks in china. the chinese will never let us export the masks out and jared kushner said i'll take care of that and he spoke with the chinese ambassador and they did get the chinese to allow the

masks to be exported. 3m said it was trying to do everything it could to get the masks out but the white house wanted it on their own terms >> jared kushner as you remember this time was saying july of last year we would be rocking and rolling again. he obviously was wrong. according to your book, dr. birx, redfield and hahn made a pact all would resign if any of them were fired. that is pathetic. they're not kids at summer camp. why didn't any speak up? american lives were at risk. >> that's a great question and one of they are wrestling with and for many years. i think the way they rationalized it themselves, if they quit, they'd be replaced with scott atlas who would do whatever the president says. a lot of people that i decision was a mistake and that they should have done more to publicly try to force the president to change his policy, but they just made these, this

decision during these meetings inside the white house that they had to stick together and try to lock arms with each other, otherwise the president could just run roughshod over them and change policy in a way that was damaging. >> well, i hope all of them know they're always invited here to tell us exactly what they were doing, so great, inside the white house. you wrote about two trumps, the cavalier version with his mask off in public, but we know for years and years, this guy is an absolute germaphobe. how do you square them? >> i don't think you do. he told bob woodward in february 2020 he knew the virus was dangerous and deadly and saying things in the public how ed t would disappear when the weather got better. he joked with task members that made them feel uncomfortable and heard boris johnson had coronavirus on a ventilator, he said this guy is probably going

to die. i've had friends go on ventilators and never come off. towards the end of the year in september, there were the events at the white house the amy coney barrett big party on the white house lawn, lots of people no masks, gold star families in the white house and military families getting close to the president and he complained to aides, you're going to get me sick. these people got too close to me. he wasn't worried about other people in the white house getting sick, it was worried about himself getting sick so that's what ended up happening. he got sick and the rest was a stirring moment for the country. >> we have to leave it there, we're out of time. for all of you at home, here is why you need to read the book. trump was sicker with covid. his chief of staff thought he wanted to die. trump wanted to send covid patients to guantanamo bay and hoping the virus would take out john bolton. there's some summer reading for you. that wraps this up hour. i'm steph knee ruhle. hallie jackson picks up coverage

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