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means. >> chris, it's not for liberals to be clear eyed. it's for the liberal court justices themselves. breyer should have announced his retirement. fix the court. >> thanks to have you both on. thank you so much. that is "all in" on this thursday night. good evening, rachel. >> good evening. thank you. much appreciated. thanks at home for joining us. leona helmslee was a billionaire for real. she was president of a hotel high-end luxury group of two or three dozen hotels.
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she appeared in ad bragging about how she needed the best service and the most luxury stuff. that's why you stay at her hotels. a familiar shtick. but it worked for her in the 1980s. until it didn't. turns out, despite being a billionaire, despite not only the image of immense ctuality o engaged in tax cheats, including having a bunch of renovations done at a vacation home in connecticut. her private home. it was renovations on that home, including putting in a dance floor and stuff. she billed the renovations to the hotel company.
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she had the company pay to do the renovations on her private home. that had for her the double benefit of her not having to pay for those renovations herself and also her hotel company got to deduct the payments as a business expense. even though they weren't. it was just stuff she wanted personally. she went to prison. the trial where she got convicted, probably made her more famous than her hotels had. this is a headline july 12, 1989 in "the new york times." made testifies helmsley denied paying taxes. she told a housekeeper at her connecticut home that only the little people pay taxes. the housekeeper testified yesterday at her tax fraud and extortion trial. the witness said the conversation took place at the home in greenwich, four to six weeks after she was hired.
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she said that she and mrs. helmsley were in the back hall of the home. i said, you must pay a lot of taxes. she said, we don't pay taxes. only the little people pay taxes. she testified that staff salaries were paid by helmsley businesses and her paycheck was issued by them. she ordered supplies from the park lane hotel in new york city. they were delivered in a hotel van. the assistant u.s. attorney asked her if she ever purchased food locally in greenwich. she did so only a few times. she testified, quote, i bought something for the house that we ate. she testified when she asked mrs. helmsley to reimburse her, she said to her, quote, you bought it. you pay for it.
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real peach. only the little people pay taxes. she went to prison for that scheme. that scheme in which she used her business as a tool for chiselling petty tax fraud. which is both a crazy thing for a super rich person to bother with. right? and it turns out, it's the kind of crime that super rich people think they can get away with and that they can get caught for, particularly if they are brazen about it. she was having her business pay or provide for her personal living expenses, including the salaries for her made and other servants at her home and the renovations, even the food there. she had the business pay for it. that meant nothing comes out of her pocket and the business gets to deduct that for tax purposes. she was convicted on 33 counts. people famously shouted at her
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and taunted her on the courthouse steps after her conviction. she went to prison in 1992. when she got out, she had community service hours to perform. she tried to get her employees to perform the community service for her. they found out about it. she got more hours. she died in 2007, nearly every headline on every obituary called the ex-convict the queen of mean when she died. using a business to pay for your personal stuff as a way to avoid taxes. that's a tried and true way to go to prison. and being famous doesn't necessarily help you avoid that. being infamous or being famous. do you remember there was a character called the soup nazi? we have a rule on this show. that was his character on the show. he had all these specific rules
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for how exactly you were supposed to order soup at his restaurant. if you didn't follow the rules, he screamed at you, no soup for you. the soup nazi on "seinfeld" was based on a real guy on west 55th street in manhattan run by a guy who would scream at you if you didn't order fast enough or didn't stand in the right place. the cfo for the soup company went to prison. for years, if god forbid you worked at the place, you would get paid through all sorts of little chiselling off the book schemes designed to avoid taxes. so the dude went to prison. running your business in such a way that your business provides personal stuff to executives of the company and then writes it off like those are business expenses, compensating the employees at your business in ways that are designed to hide that compensation from tax authorities, these are tried and
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true paths to prison. even if you are not a tax accountant, if you are not somebody who studies these things, if you are somebody who watches "seinfeld" or read a newspaper in the '80s, even for comically high profile people, this is a tried and true way to end up in the crowbar hotel. which is why presumably most people who try to commit those crimes know that they ought to be subtle about it. mostly. not all though. what new york prosecutors spelled out in court today was a variety of this kind of alleged crime that was, according to prosecutors, not at all subtle. the word we might use in not legal terms is brazen. the world the prosecutor used in court before the judge today was audacious. the prosecutor called it a sweeping and audacious illegal payment scheme. we just got in the transcript. you ready?
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defense lawyers the evidence they have, which they will base their case on. at one point during the discovery discussion, when they are talking about handing over the evidence that they have got, they note that this is, as the defense lawyers -- as the prosecutor said in his opening statement, this is an ongoing investigation. so, they ask for a protective order. that means that whatever they have to hand over to the defense lawyers in discovery, so the defense lawyers can get a good look at all the evidence and everybody has a fair shot at defending the case, the protective order means the defense can't show that to the public or anybody not directly involved in the case. the defense agrees to that protective order. the judge agrees to that. there's a protective order. we will never see the discovery in this case. the only other real thing that happened today at this arrangement was this sad moment for allen weisselberg. t for allen weisselberg.
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there was no bail. mr. weisselberg did surrender his passport. he was released on his own recognizant. they set a status conference. the next time they will be in court is mid september. the indictment was unsealed. in addition to the transcript of what happened in the room, we have the written account of the charges. there are 15 felony charges. it's four counts of criminal tax fraud, first degree scheme to defraud. we will get more clarity on that from somebody who knows these things in a moment. conspiracy count. four counts of falsifying business records, offering a false instrument for filing. that's against weisselberg. there's another charge that allen weisselberg faces alone, which is grand larceny by obtaining a tax refund that he
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was not supposed to get. the news here, the interesting and i think potentially surprising news is, number one, this is a lot of charges. 15 felony charges is a more serious and extensive indictment than trump lawyers have been trying to spin. this is heftier than they prepared people for. it's a heftier indictment than most were expecting. number two, in statements today from the d.a.'s office and from the new york attorney general's office -- this is a joint investigation by those two new york law enforcement entities -- in statements from those entities and in that exchange in court that i described about why they need a protective order, because the case is still going on, it was made clear by prosecutors speaking in court, by statements from the defense -- from the d.a. and
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from the attorney general, made more clear than i expected it to be today that this indictment today isn't it. in all likelihood, more is coming. the investigation proceeds. of course, we believe that the special grand jury that we first learned about last nth, the grand jury that's been sitting apparently three days a week to consider the evidence, to consider bringing charges, we believe that grand jury will meet for the next six months. "the new york times" reports tonight about what's coming next here. actually, in very blunt terms. this is what it says in "the new york times" on the case. the charges against the trump organization and mr. weisselberg ushered in a new phase of the sweeping inquiry into the business practices of mr. trump and his company. while the indictment was focused on the tax scheme, the charges could lay the groundwork for the next steps in the wider investigation which will focus on mr. trump.
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that's being reported tonight in those terms by "the new york times." the next phase -- excuse me, the next steps in the wider investigation will focus on mr. trump. the next phase of the broader investigation into mr. trump and his company, prosecutors are expected to continue scrutinizing whether the trump organization manipulated numbers. there had been discussion that because bank fraud and insurance fraud -- manipulating assets to defraud banks and insurance companies and tax authorities, that had been reported as a focus of the investigators. it wasn't included in this indictment. there had been discussion today that maybe that wasn't going anywhere and maybe that would never be charged. it sounds like that's what's next. with a focus on mr. trump himself. we will see.
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number one, the initial indictment is a lot of charges, 15 is a lot. number two, there's apparently more coming in the investigation that has produced these 15 felony charges. number three, there's been a lot of discussion today about an unindicted co-conspiracy. as far as we can tell, that is not former president trump himself. just so you understand what i'm talking about here. here is one of the places that unindicted co-conspirator phrase occurs. that does not appear to be former president trump. i will explain why i believe that's the case in just a
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moment. i will tell you, it would seem that there's a better chance that that unindicted co-conspirator is more likely to be somebody like the controller of the trump organization, the controller is an employee of the trump organization, sort of lower level employee, who reported to allen weisselberg. i mention the controller because he has been reported to have appeared before the grand jury. we do not know for sure if the unindicted co-conspirator is him. we don't know for sure. there's a reason this person is not named. we don't have any reason to believe if it's the controller that he has left his employment at the trump organization. as far as we can tell, he is still there. there's always the possibility when an unindicted co-conspirator is pointed to that that person is cooperating. prosecutors said they have not been allowed to talk to any employees outside of the grand jury process. we know that controller spoke with prosecutors within the grand jury process. it remains to be seen.
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the reason i say the unindicted co-conspirator does not appear to be former president trump is because he is described otherwise several times in the indictment. he is described as a person who signed checks that were used to make allegedly illegal payments to pay private school tuition for some weisselberg family members. he is described bluntly as the person -- the president of the organization who rented an apartment for weisselberg on the west side of manhattan. both of those expenses are described as part of the alleged illegal tax evasion scheme at the heart of the indictment. there's no effort by prosecutors to hide donald trump's identity when it comes to his involvement in those acts. it wouldn't make that much sense that they would describe him bluntly and describe him as the unindicted co-conspirator elsewhere. that brings me to the next point. as i mentioned earlier, the conduct described here is not subtle or particularly well hidden. at least it's no longer hidden
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from prosecutors. if you feel like we are wading into the legal niceties here, i will bring it back to brass tacks. did you see "the wire"? do you know the scene where he says, are you taking notes on a criminal conspiracy? what are you thinking? remember that? classic scene. >> is you taking notes on a criminal [ bleep ] conspiracy? [ bleep ] you thinking, man? >> that's how it worked on "the wire." here is how prosecutors say it worked at the trump organization. parallel, quote, beginning in 2005 and as part of the scheme to defraud, weisselberg signed checks drawn on the trump corporation's bank account.
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they didn't report it to tax authorities. they didn't list it in the company's books. they did describe it to the penny in an internal spreadsheet that tracked every cent of it. is you taking notes on a criminal bleeping conspiracy? what are you thinking? they kept written records of the stuff they were keeping off the books. really? prosecutors now have that. audacious and sweeping is how the prosecutor described it. here is just one last point. this is what we will talk about tonight with somebody who knows these things. the scheme to have trump's company pay for personal stuff for trump organization executives as described in the indictment as a scheme, so not only do those executives not pay for those out of pocket, they would dodge taxes on that both from the company side and employee side. the indictment says that that
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scheme was not limited to allen weisselberg and his family members who are compensated in that way. they describe other people who worked for the trump organization who benefitted from this allegedly illegal tax evasion scheme. similarly, the indictment said there were other trump organization executives who worked for the company but they were regularly paid in ways that were designed to disguise their payment from tax authorities. they were regularly paid in ways to make it look like they weren't getting compensated as trump organization employees. they were getting paid as consultants or something. it has tax consequences for the company and for the executive getting paid that way. that's spelled out in the indictment, as a further part of the scheme to defraud. no other executives besides allen weisselberg is described as the beneficiary of that fraud, but it's spelled out that he wasn't the only one who
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benefitted from that kind of ascheme. that's the scheme described by "new york times" reporters in september of trump's financial adventures. they described a scheme like that, a scheme like the one outlined in today's indictment, as it related to ivanka trump, the president's daughter. they described in detail financial records they discovered that showed ivanka being paid as an employee of the trump organization and as a consultant to the trump organization in a way that seemed designed to try to evade taxes, both for the company and for her. that's the executive scheme described at the end of the indictment. prosecutors say that weisselberg benefits from such a scheme and that other executives did, too. they are not named in this indictment. that is the ivanka scheme described last fall in "the new york times."
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in order to obtain this remarkable indictment today against the company of former president donald trump and the company's longtime chief financial officer, new york prosecutors had to battle to the u.s. supreme court twice to get access to trump tax and financial documents that the president fought to keep secret. trump lost the fight. in february, prosecutors did finally get access to millions of pages of trump's taxes. that was february when they got access. by may, they impanelled a special grand jury to meet three days a week to consider the evidence and potential charges. today's indictment and the 15 felony charges unsealed today, that's the first public facing product of that process. it may not be the last. the grand jury is still sitting
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until the end of the year. right now, there's two known entities that have access to millions of pages of trump financial and tax documents to review. one of them is that prosecutor's office, which unveiled the 15 felony charges against the former president's business. the other entity is a small reporting team at "the new york times," which obtained more than a decade's worth of tax documents and won a pulitzer prize for their writing about it. they have been chronicling how the former president and his family and his business have spent years aggressively avoiding paying taxes. joining us now is a member of that team, suzann craig. i have been looking forward to talking to you about this. thank you so much. >> thanks for having me. >> reading the indictment today and knowing what prosecutors said today in court, do you feel like you saw some of this coming? with what you were able to report on about trump's tax
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practices and business practices. >> we have been looking now at his finances for five or six years. we got ahold of his taxes and published a story around that. there are a number of discreet issues that we saw that we think still need to be surfaced. i'm not surprised about today. it seemed interesting about today that it was built more around allen weisselberg's taxes than around donald trump's taxes. i think they are still working their way through the investigation and it's continuing. we saw when we were going through our work four or five or six discreet issues that are i'm sure are of interest to the manhattan d.a. and their investigators. >> one of the things that caught my eye is your reporting from last fall about a scheme that you uncovered basically by comparing different financial documents which showed that the president's daughter, ivanka
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trump, was paid as a consultant in a way that seemed designed to avoid paying taxes on some of her income. that would have been advantageous to her and also to the trump organization. i wondered if you saw any reflections of that scheme, in the latest part of the indictment where they say multiple executives around the way their compensation was described to authorities. >> it sure did feel what we saw when we were doing our work with the payments, some of which went to ivanka trump. you are seeing money that's coming out and being allocated. allen weisselberg had some of that through a certain payment. with ivanka trump what we saw -- others are involved as well -- there was $26 million that we found in consulting fees that were being paid from entities that donald trump controls outward. we couldn't see who they were
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going to. we saw them going out. it was like, wow, when we saw it, where were these going? what we found as we went along was we were comparing the taxes to other documents we had, public documents and other documents. we saw some of it went to a company that is controlled by ivanka trump is an officer of and paid out to ivanka trump. why that was a red flag is because she's an officer of the trump organization and has -- she's paid more than $2 million. she's getting consulting fees. that should be -- the irs would look at it and say -- they are only -- these payments should be ordinary and necessary. you have to question why somebody who is making $2 million at the trump organization is also getting consulting fees. what's going on? what we in our reporting suspected and we reported about was that this was an attempt by
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donald trump to reduce his taxable income and to transfer money to his kids. that may have had the effect of reducing or of him voiding a gift tax to them. it's a way to transfer wealth from one generation to another. we didn't have access to other people's tax information to see if potentially eric was getting some of the payments, if donald trump junior was getting payments. but they are also a member and are part of the company that was getting the money that went to ivanka. >> briefly to that point, the kinds of documents that would show that if that's the case, is it your understanding from what we can see publically about this court case that those are the documents the prosecutors have? >> i think i can't imagine they don't have them by now. the new york attorney general had gone after the information from the company that received those payments called ttt for trump, trump, trump. they have got those records. i don't know how much further
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they have gotten, if they have gotten tax returns of other members of the trump family. that's a real follow the money case. we were like wow when we saw it. we started to work through it. we dead ended in the tax returns. because ivanka had gone to the administration, she had financial filings. we were able to notch them up. i have worked with two great reporters on it. it was a great effort. took us a long time to put all that together. it's there. it's one of the things that the manhattan d.a. is looking at. >> thank you for your time tonight. as always, for your clarity on this complex stuff. i appreciate it. >> great. thank you. i want to bring into the conversation dan alonzo. previously the number two official in the manhattan district attorney's office under vance. he wrote the memo which governs the current policy about how and
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when to file criminal charges against corporations. it's nice of you to make time. thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> i am not a lawyer. i am a non-seasoned observer of new york state criminal prosecutions. there are a number of things that spoke to me and surprised me about this indictment. in part, that it was 15 charges and that the prosecutors used bold language in describing what they said was an ongoing sort of unrepentant scheme. that stood out to me as seeming heftier than i expected it to be. i wanted to get your reaction and maybe you could set me straight if my expectations were in the wrong place. >> it's totally understandable. it is 15 counts. i will say that i would focus more on the hefty language and the facts that are alleged, which seem powerful, than i would on the fact that there are
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15 counts for reasons i won't bore you with. new york requires you to separate out counts and not put multiple things in one as you can do in federal court. either way, it does have -- it tells a story. it's that story that we should focus on. i think that is a very powerful one, more powerful than we thought yesterday based on what we heard from the lawyers for trump and the organization. >> let me raise a point that was raised by the defense lawyers, by the trump organization defense lawyers. that was just referenced by suzann craig from "the new york times." in talking about the prospect of this executive compensation scheme that prosecutors described, which may have essentially been an ongoing scheme to pay executives in a way designed to evade taxes both from the company's perspective and from the executive's perspective, suzann described the reporting as something that should have popped for the irs.
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looking at executive -- the way the executives were paid and to see them get paid in this other way that didn't make sense given what their jobs were, including the president's daughter, ivanka. that resonated for me alongside trump defense lawyers saying, if these were serious tax evasions -- if this was serious tax evasion, the irs would have come after us. the irs would have been pursuing this, not some d.a. in manhattan. what do you make of that? >> frankly, it seems silly. i will say that in terms of what suzann said, i get it, that why wouldn't the irs be doing it? the irs was an opaque entity even when i was a federal prosecutor. they pick up what they pick up. it takes them a long time. tax cases are brought many years after the acts in question. i wouldn't put any credence into not knowing whether or not the irs is investigating. they may well be in the normal course of things that we may hear about that. in terms of the criminal
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investigation, that's not a defense. you can't say, we shouldn't be convicted because some other entity really should have prosecuted us. if that's the case, then the manhattan d.a.'s office wouldn't do any white collar cases. they have a tradition of doing cases that could be brought in federal court. this is one of them. that's a silly defense. >> last brief question for you. scheme to defraud in the first degree is a jumble of words that i have never necessarily heard before. obviously, that's technically most serious charge the trump organization is facing. what should we understand in layman's terms, scheme to defraud, to mean in terms of an alleged crime? >> from a prosecutor's perspective, it's a great statute with weak penalties. it's patterned after federal mail fraud, which is basically to punish the devising of a scheme to defraud, which means trying to get money from people or companies or property by
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lying to them, by false pretenses. it punishes a scheme rather than just a one-time transaction, which is why this case can allege a 15-year scheme in one count. it requires more than one victim. it was brilliant of the prosecutors to include the irs as a victim. it takes what might have been a $100,000 case and turned it into a $900,000 case, which is more difficult. hopefully, that answered your question about scheme to defraud. >> it does. former new york prosecutor, chief assistant district attorney, i know it's been a long day with a lot to observe. thanks for being here. >> thank you. coming up next, i said that as soon as i saw this indictment i knew i wanted to talk to dan. i knew i wanted to talk to suzann. the other person i most wanted to talk to about this is mary trump, donald trump's niece. she agreed to do an interview with us next.
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early on in the trump presidency "new york times" reporters obtained documents detailing the finances of trump's business and the family. they turned those into multiple investigations showing how for years trump and his family participated in tax schemes and in some instances what appeared to be outright fraud. schemes that saved them potentially hundreds of millions of dollars on tax bills over the years. it was a mystery when the first part of the story broke how the reporters could have gotten their hands on so many of the personal financial documents. it was a mystery until this book came out. it was written by donald trump's niece, mary trump. in the book, mary trump revealed that she was the one who had access to those documents. she had turned them over to
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reporters at "the new york times." those were not just the source of remarkable award winning journalism, they also became the basis of a lawsuit she launched against donald trump in which she alleges he cheated her out of tens of millions of dollars in trump family assets that were rightfully hers. that lawsuit is now just one item in a growing list of legal woes for the former president and his business, including these charges. joining us is mary trump. she's the author of "too much and never enough, how my family created the world's most dangerous man." she has a new book coming out on august 17th, which is called "the reckoning, our nation's trauma and finding a way to heal." it's great to see you. it's been too long. thank you for coming back. >> it's great to be here. i'm so pleased you asked me. >> let me ask your unique perspective on how you think
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your uncle and the people around him will react to this. this is something that for all the efforts to sort of get accountability for various things he has done, criminal charges brought against his business is something new that he has never faced before, anything like it he never faced before. how do you think he will react? >> i'm sure he is quite angry. i wouldn't want to be around him right now. unlike other people close to him who are probably extremely nervous, i don't believe donald will be. he has been getting away with this for so long that he must feel immune. because he always has been. these are the kinds of charges that could have been levelled against him and other people in my family decades ago. he is also, i'm sure, quite confident in allen weisselberg's loyalty to him. he doesn't believe for a second
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that allen weisselberg will flip on him. unless prosecutors can find somebody else who will flip or unless they can find something else in the many many millions of pages of documents they have. donald is -- is going to be completely confident in allen's loyalty, for sure. >> one of the things that has stuck me over the course of the day is the sort of very bluntly worded reporting from "the new york times" that the next phase of the investigation. not only is there a next phase. that -- that -- that there will be further work from the grand jury, and potentially further indictments. but that it focuses, specifically, on your uncle and is going to be looking at some of the things michael cohen testified to congress. adjusting valuation of various assets, allegedly, to defraud banks, insurance companies, and
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tax authorities. the prospect that charges wouldn't just be targeting -- wouldn't just be targeting the company but would target him, personally. must feel -- must seem like a different -- sort of a different level, though. >> yeah. sure. and it shouldn't surprise anybody, except perhaps donald, because there -- there are longstanding patterns here. and my lawsuit will show just how consistt those patterns are and have been since the '80s. and the other thing that people need to understand is that -- um -- when my grandfather was alive, donald was involved in everything that went on. and after my grandfather started suffering from alzheimer's, nothing happened in the family or in my grandfather's business or in donald's business, without his explicit say-so. he was running the show. he is always the person, who
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knows what's going on. and nobody does anything independently from him and that includes his siblings, as well. so he should be quite nervous. but i think, the fact that he's gotten away with so much, for so long, including over the past-four years when he was in the oval office, will continue to give him a false sense of confidence. >> is that interrupted, at all, by the prospect that the other executives of the trump organization, who are his children, may be in the line of fire here? i mean, one of the -- i think, the important threads to pull from that pulitzer prize winning reporting at "the new york times" based on trump-financial records, is that, among others, it appears that, ivanka trump benefitted from the type of scheme that's described within the end of the indictment today. that trump executives were compensated, in ways that were deliberately designed to help them evade taxes.
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and to help the business evade taxes, on their behalf. allen weisselberg is being charged for benefitting from that scheme. the indictment says, other executives, also, benefitted from that scheme. and now, we have got solid reporting that the investigation continues. that raises the prospect that further charges could be brought against his children. >> yeah, it does. and i -- again, i think they should be quite anxious right now. donald, on the other hand, will expect the same kind and level of loyalty from them, as he expects from allen. you know, as far as donald's concerned, they have what they have because of him. and they should be willing to take whatever hit they are going to take. he doesn't understand, i guess, how these things work. prosecutors won't stop at my cousins. they will be going for the bigger fish, which would be donald, who's been running this organization for over-30 years, now.
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so i think he would be surprised to learn that i don't believe my cousins would exert that kind of -- exercise that kind of loyalty towards him because his relationship with them and their relationship with him is entirely transactional. so -- and conditional, i should say -- so, they're not going to risk anything for him. just as he wouldn't risk anything for them. so, it could get really, really interesting as these things unfold. because there are so many-more documents that new york prosecutors have at their disposal. >> so, you have more confidence that allen weisselberg would -- wouldn't cooperate, than you do that the president's -- former president's children wouldn't cooperate? >> yeah. i think, as far as i understand it, and, you know, i'm not a lawyer. but it seems that, as -- as serious as these charges are, they may not end up with jail time or any significant amount of jail time.
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and the downside of cooperating with prosecutors, for allen weisselberg, might be larger than the downside of going to jail if it's for a short enough period of time. so again, it's going to be very interesting to see just the -- the case that can be made. and the sentencing, if it comes to that, because i think that will factor in, for sure. but i'm much less sanguine about my cousins' loyalty to their father. >> mary trump. the niece of the former president. author of the number one "new york times" best-seller, too much and never enough, how my family created the world's most dangerous man. again, the new book comes out august 17th. it's called "the reckoning." mary, it's really good to see you. thank you so much for being here. it's a pleasure to have you here. >> great to see you too rachel. >> we will be right back. stay with us. ll be right back
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well, i said this time last night there's going to be a ton of news today. i was right. we knew it was going to be like this but wow. in addition to the president's company being indicted, we had the president, today, the actual president of the united states, in miami at the site of the building collapse there. tonight, just before we got on the air, attorney general merrick garland announced a moratorium, a pause, on all-federal executions. the democrats in the house today, announced their appointees to the committee that's going to investigate the january-6th attack on the capitol. speaker pelosi appointing seven democrats and republican liz cheney to that commission. no word on whether the republicans will actually appoint anyone else, or if they'll punish liz cheney for accepting that appointment. and, of course, the day started with the supreme court taking a dull axe to what remains of the voting rights act and minority voting rights protections. that decision is one that is going to sting for a very long time. the entity that brought that suit, in the first place, is the democratic national committee. dnc chairman, jaime harrison,
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