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niitis in the past they may be missing vaccination for meningitis b. although uncommon, up to 1 in 5 survivors of meningitis will have long term consequences. now as you're thinking about all the vaccines your teen might need make sure you ask your doctor if your teen is missing meningitis b vaccination. hello and welcome to "deadline white house." today we start with this telling quote. didn't pay taxes. that's how donald trump this weekend tried to describe the tax fraud scheme that the trump organization is purported to have orchestrated for the last -- >> they go after good, hard-working people for not paying taxes on a company car. you didn't pay taxes on the car. or a company apartment. you used an apartment because
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you need an apartment because you have to travel too far where your house is. you didn't pay tax. or education for your grandchildren. i don't even know, do you have -- does anybody know the answer to that stuff? >> let's be clear, the charges against trump's company and his longtime accountant allen weisselberg are a bit more serious than simply not paying taxes. a 15-count indictment reached by a grand jury accuses the trump organization and weisselberg of tax fraud, grand larceny, conspiracy and other criminal charges. so, yes, you do have to pay texs on what is essentially additional salary converted into luxurious benefits and, yes, allen weisselberg was required by law to pay taxes on more than $1.7 million in untaxed income in the form of mercedes-benz cars, free rent, private school tuition in manhattan and thousands of dollars in cash. according to prosecutors, people inside the trump organization knew that. that's why they allegedly kept
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records of all the salary they illegally converted into untaxed pay and what "the washington post" calls the accounting equivalent of a confession. this weekend donald trump also falsely claimed the prosecutors have never charged a company for tax fraud. >> think of how unfair it is. never before has new york city and their prosecutors or perhaps any prosecutors criminally charged a company or a person for fringe benefits. fringe benefits. murder is okay. human trafficking, no problem. but fringe benefits, you can't do that. >> this case isn't really about fringe benefits. in a new piece for just security a professor of taxation at new york university law school writes this is no mere fringe benefits case. it is a straight out fraud case. leading off our discussion this afternoon a former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. cynthia, the indictment says, quote, tuition expenses for
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weisselberg's family members were paid by personal checks drawn on the account of and signed by donald j. trump. cynthia, does that suggest to you that trump knew and took part in the crimes alleged in this indictment? >> yes, it does, and i completely agree this is a fraud case. there's been a lot of trump family, almost trial balloons on what the defense might be, sort after who cares defense. i think they will find people do care. people do care when you keep a second set of books. people do care when you refuse to pay your city taxes. people do care when you basically get cash under the table and don't report it. he was getting that $30,000 a year in basically a bundle of cash. people do care. >> if it is as you suggest, what do you think trump's legal exposure is here? >> i think this is an opening salvo. ordinarily or quite often new york state indictments are not as detailed as this.
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and the prosecutors went to an amazing amount of effort to show weisselberg we have everything we need. and they're really not only pressuring him to flip but the amount of detail in this indictment tells me they're trying to tell other people you have got to flip because we have everything. we have the double books. we know what you told your tax accountant was a lie. we know that we're going to be able to prove these cases. so i think it's a stair stepping, like anything, in forms of indictment so first it's weisselberg and there are a lot of other people mentioned, individual number one, or person x signed or person y signed. those people who were mentioned in the indictment i would expect they're next and then it builds and builds. >> cynthia, if you were prosecuting this case and had access to the years of hidden records kept by the trump organization, where would you focus this investigation next? >> i would focus it on the kids. i would focus it -- apparently
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they've had some testimony by the controller in the state of new york. that means they've essentially given him immunity. i would focus on the kids. my guess is calamari is easy picking and there are similar ways to give money for the kids. we've heard a lot of this reporting about ivanka trump getting consulting fees, consulting fees or things she may or may not have done. that looks to be the next place. we'll just have to see. >> there were a lot of answers that came out of this indictment there were many questions. which unanswered questions do you still have? >> well, i would like to know every bit of detail on what they were telling the accountants, because that really is telling, isn't it? if you tell your accountant this is my income and it turns out that's not true, that's very important for establishing your intent to evade taxes. it's very important for the
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fraud. to me exactly what they told the accountants who prepared the tax returns is the next thing i really want to see. >> i want to read you a quote about rudy giuliani and tax fraud cases. it says leona helmesly, who died this 2007, was a greed-is-good tabloid-staple real estate magnate who served time. she and her husband renovated their greenwich, connecticut, mansion with millions. the prosecutor who sent helmesly to jail was rudy giuliani. does that completely dismantle the trump defense that a tax fraud indictment of this kind has never been done before in new york? >> well, of course, it has been done before. it's done all the time. and beyond that it highlights this defense that they are trying to pull. who cares? people do care. and the jury will hate him. remember, he's not going to have a jury of people who go to maga
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rallies. he will have a cross section of people who live in manhattan, who do pay manhattan taxes, who don't get free mercedes, who don't have somebody else pay for their children's education and not have tax ramifications for that. i think he will be a very hated defendant, mr. weisselberg, and i'm sure his defense attorneys have told him so. >> thank you so much for joining us. we turn now to surfside, florida, where it has been 12 days since the champlain south condominium towers collapsed. there was a controlled demolition to allow rescue workers to safely access a pile they haven't yet been able to search. potential winds from elsa threatened the safety of the site. >> there was the very real potential this storm could have knocked the building down in the wrong way on top of that pile which would have effectively ended the search of rescue. the work continues and i'm very
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hopeful that we're going to be seeing some miracles in the coming days. >> 118 people are still unaccounted for. joining us now miami herald reporter who has been reporting from surfside city. bianca, the miami-dade county mayor said nothing but dust fell and how is the demolition affecting the search and rescue efforts? >> so i think there's a lot of relief in some ways from officials right now because they believe that the remaining part of the building of the champlain towers that was there was really affecting and really hindering the rescue efforts because there were some parts that rescuers and search and rescue teams could not reach until this threat came down. so last night, of course, it was really tragic and a lot of people lost all of their belongings, all of their
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possessions. so it is not necessarily a celebratory moment but it is a milestone in the recovery efforts and the rescue efforts because they can reach parts where they believe that they can still find bodies, and like we heard today from florida governor ron desantis, it is possible that this area that just came down allows people to go into what would be the master bedrooms, and they do believe they can find some bodies in that area. >> to your point, bianca, how this is a bigger tragedy after the demolition of the remainder of the building, the mayor took a moment to recognize the impact of so many who lost their homes. here is what she said. >> i also want to take a moment to acknowledge and reflect on the great tragedy this has been for those who survived the building and have had to evacuate. the world is mourning for those who lost their loved ones and for those who are waiting for news from the collapse. to lose your home and all your belongings in this manner is a
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great loss as well. >> what's being done to help those survivors at this point? >> so right now there's many different avenues that officials are pursuing. so, for example, at the federal level there is some individual assistance that families can apply for through fema. but, of course, there's been an outpouring of support from the community. there was a big jewish community living in this building, and the jewish community synagogues, israeli organizations, have really come together to try to raise funds to volunteer in the short term, filling the immediate needs of blankets and food and just really anything families need. today we heard from officials again that even though some families may be feeling that they lost all of their property, they really don't know where to begin although they have survived this terrible tragedy. their needs will not go unmet.
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right now what we're hearing is that these short-term and long-term needs that families may have that there will be several different avenues for families to really find the aid that they need. >> of course to complicate matters officials are keeping a close eye on the forecast, the projected path of tropical storm elsa. how might the storm impact the search and rescue effort in the coming days? >> so right now the storm and the way that it's tracking, of course we can probably get a better view once it leaves cuba and we see the impact it's going to have. it looks like it will skirt miami-dade county especially south miami-dade wch is really the areas we're worried about. but, of course, this tropical storm elsa could really bring a lot of wind, a lot of rain. but as we know for the past 12 days rescue teams have been working through rain, through thunder, through ongoing fires. so really because the rest of the building has been
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demolished, there seems to be very little that can stand in the way of rescuers continuing to find bodies and victims. >> i have been following your reporting. thank you for all of the work you have been doing to keep this story front and center. coming up, new reporting that britney spears called 911 hours before her explosive testimony detailing the abuse that she claims took place while under her court ordered conservativorship. up next, it will not be easy for republicans to redraw congressional districts in their favor. why the gop may be forced to draw districts that actually benefit democrats. s.
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trying to win elections based on policy, republicans are pushing laws to suppress voter turnout and give them an edge in the voting counting process and counting on another nonpolicy based process to help them win in 2022 and beyond. gerrymandering. republican congressman ronnie jackson admitted as much at a conservative conference last month. >> we have everything working in our favor right now. we have redistricting coming up and the republicans control most of that process in most of the states around the country. that alone should get us the majority back. >> well, not so fast. some suburbs that have been trending more democratic are posing a challenge to republicans as they consider how to redraw congressional districts in their favor like in georgia where two districts outside atlanta that were once reliably red a decade ago have flipped blue. "the wall street journal" reports, quote, republicans who have greater control over the
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process because they hold majorities in more states with partisan redistricting prophecies are grappling with how to approach once reliably conservative suburbs that have more recently swung toward democrats. to balance out that suburban growth republicans will look to create districts where their candidates are heavy favorites even if it means drawing some safe democratic seats in the process. joining us now senior counsel at democracy program where he specializing in redistricting and voting law and a democratic strategist, a former spokesperson for the democratic national committee as well as the department of justice. michael, let's start here. how did we get here? how did republicans come to have so much control over redistricting? >> really in a number of southern states democrats tried to win a seat at the table both in 2018 and 2020 either the governor's race or winning control of one or both chambers of the legislature fell short.
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unlike in states like pennsylvania or wisconsin where you now have divided government in the south and especially the big four states, texas, florida, georgia, you will have unified control of the process, they will be able to do whatever they want when it comes to redistricting. there are some challenges because the suburbs are getting more diverse and it's a little bit harder than it used to be to draw maps. they will have to make a choice about whether they want to play it safe and get a large number of seats or want to go for the gusto. that's sort of the challenge. if they are too risky they could end up doing where districts flip to the other party by the end of the decade. they have some tough choices. >> it strikes me that on that list of states that michael just rattled off there are a lot of the same states we talk about that are currently trying to
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pass voter suppression laws and we have been focused on voting rights. where do you see redistricting playing into this broader effort to control electoral outcomes? >> well, i think texas has always been a repeated offender of voting rights n. 2012 you saw the department of justice challenged voter i.d. law, challenged the maps and now you see it's gutted. the texas legislature will meet this week because greg abbott has called them back to limit voting that would also make it easier to overturn an election. and i think states like texas need to be careful. they can still get a lawsuit under section two. i'm looking at states like texas who are repeat offenders in the era of a gutted voting rights act yet you still saw attorney general merrick garland say he's not going to stand for that and that he will continue to use all the tools in his arsenal in order to challenge that. so states have to be careful
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here. you can't necessarily draw lines and discriminate against african-american or latino voters or you will get a challenge. >> i want to you talk to me about this idea they have to choose how big to go, how hard to play. what is the calculus there? >> well, the secret to doing successful gerrymandering you don't want to win 80% because you're using your voters inefficiently. you want to spread out to win seats by say 52% or 53%. but the danger in fast growing states like texas and georgia is they're not only growing and are more diverse and diverse in ways that benefit democrats. a bunch of those 52% or 53% districts could flip to democrats by the end of the decade. on the plus side republicans will have the benefit of more data and technology and be able to draw perhaps more pernicious
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gerrymanders. they can only plan for it and that's the danger of all of this. they will have a tough choice in many places. go for the gusto and try to maximize seats and give up a few seats to shore up other seats. >> xochytl, you have known as an observer of politics, as a practitioner, that the suburbs are changing. this is not actually news. but given the demographic realities we're talking about, how does that then shape how democrats approach 2022 and beyond? >> well, i think democrats learned in the last election they have to talk to voters everywhere and you have to start organizing now. and in the suburbs as you are talking about, they are more diverse. you must have those conversations. just not the october right before it. we often see the party invest in
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african-american and latino communities right before an election. now we're seeing them invest earlier than ever before. and so i will be keeping an eye on those places because democrats need to make more progress in the suburbs or if we want to continue to keep the house and the senate and make progress in 2024. >> michael, we've never seen the type of full frontal assault on voting rights in our democracy that we are seeing in this moment and yet there has long been talk about redressing gerrymandering. what would it look like to reform these processes at scale? >> well, there is a bill currently before congress in the senate called the for the people act, s-1 in the senate, which would bar it by statute. the supreme court said in 2019 there are no partisan gerrymandering claims can you bring under the federal constitution. congress has the power to set the rules for how congressional districts are drawn, and they have the power under the for the people act to prescribe a ban on partisan gerrymandering.
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the for the people act would strengthen for those about to get shellacked in redistricting. that would require the congress to take steps soon. it would come out in the middle of august. after that it's off to the races. it will be a lot more complicated to do after that. really the next five to six weeks in the senate are essential, doing something for the filibuster as well. >> exactly where i wanted to go which brings me to you. do you think it is the understanding of democrats on the hill that they have those five to six weeks left to figure this out? >> i think it's going to be a challenge here. i think you've seen democrats struggle in negotiations that are back and forth. they must do something now. we control the house, the senate, and the white house here. and so now is the time to act. you will continue to see some frustration on the part of the democratic party if you don't
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get something done now. >> thank you so much for joining us. coming up, giving back to the essential workers that kept us going during the darkest moments of the coronavirus pandemic. how one city is investing $2.5 million to thank grocery and drugstore workers who put their lives on the line. stay with us. for mac. who can come to a stop with barely a bobble. lucia. who announces her intentions even if no one's there. and sgt moore. who leaves room for her room. with usaa safepilot, when you drive safe... ...you can save up to 30% on your auto insurance. get a quote and start saving. usaa. what you're made of, we're made for.
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made history in march as one of the largest stimulus packages ever passed by congress. and people hard hit by the pandemic are feeling the effects of the rescue plan right now. as local leaders take that money and invest it in their communities. oxnard, california, is the first city in the united states to utilize funds to get hazard pay into the pockets of essential workers who continue to serve on the front lines of the pandemic. the city council approved a measure to allocate $2.5 million of the funds on premium pay for retail grocery and drugstore workers. it would give anyone who worked at least three months in a grocery store or pharmacy during the first 12 months of the coronavirus pandemic a $1,000 bonus. roughly 2,000 will be eligible for the benefit. a member of the house transportation and infrastructure committee and rachel torres, deputy political and civil rights director at united food and commercial
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workers union local 770. congresswoman, i want to start with you. the american rescue plan passed in march. the decision to give $1,000 in appreciation pay only decided by the town council last month. from your perch as a legislator, what is your decision on the community you represent? >> well, i can't tell you how proud i am of oxnard, their leadership and fortitude to do this. i hope other cities will follow it. one of our biggest priorities in doing this rescue plan is to give cities and local communities the flexibility and as many options as possible because what's good for one city might not be good for another but what oxnard has done for these grocery workers in their community is just the type of thing that i think congress wanted local communities to do. >> rachel, i want to understand what you think the impact is
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here and help us understand how this is going to work. have essential workers received the pay yet or will it come this summer? >> yes. so the money is going to come this summer. it will be distributed by the city of oxnard. this will make a massive impact. they have suffered through some of the heaviest impacts of covid-19. they had hazard pay and it was pulled away about six weeks later and throughout the year we've seen high infection rates and a lot of grocery and drug retail workers are the sole wage earners for their family. they when many of us got to work from home and struggled to stay well, to deal with folks who were unmasked to deal with on site testing. and so this is a very important way to show the courage and the
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bravery and the strength they have endured throughout the year. >> here is what one cvs worker said in reaction to the appreciation pay. as a cvs worker for over 40 years, i've been proud to serve oxnard families every day. but nothing prepared me for working on the front lines of the pandemic. i ask you to recognize the health risks essential workers like me faced. this premium covid pay isn't just about helping oxnard essential workers provide for their family, it sends a clear message that our community values us and the work we do every day to keep our customers safe. every republican in congress voted against the relief bill, though it did not take some of them from taking credit for its successes. how do democrats make the connection between the relief funds and the economic recovery and which party helped and which party didn't? >> well, as you said, for the
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rescue plan, the republicans didn't support the plan although it was, i believe, a bipartisan plan. perhaps the republicans in washington, d.c., and congress didn't vote for it, but it's a highly popular plan across the country. i think what oxnard is doing is exactly what our intention was to do. it's not every city, it's not one size fits all. every city has different priorities. again, oxnard is a unique city and it's coastal. still a working class city. and so not only are the grocery store workers and the larger supermarkets will benefit but many mom and pop grocery stores in oxnard, too, that will also benefit. >> this is, of course, a retroactive acknowledge many of the way these workers sacrificed and put their lives on the line in order to serve the pandemic during this pandemic.
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what are the forward looking questions we need to be asking about the type of compensation and benefits these workers deserve? >> absolutely. many are low wage workers, barely making above minimum wage and throughout covid-19 we realized we had to both raise the standard on health and saved, raise the salary for grocery and drug workers and if and when this happens in the future how are we going to be on the front of it? how are we going to create the health and safety measures to protect workers, raise standards, affordable health care for all workers, and how are we going to provide child care? these were workers who didn't get to stay home. single moms who had to endure the hardest parts of the pandemic simultaneously maintaining their families, making sure their kids were getting the education through
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this process. we learned a lot and i think we can take that with us on this next phase. >> congresswoman, to that point about child care and how this has brought child care into focus. were on the transportation and infrastructure committee, we did it. the economy is recover. what is your response? >> my response is we need a lot to recover and child care is one of those things that is extraordinarily important. kids are going to be going back to school. we need child care. we need people back in their jobs. i would like to say with good paying jobs. but they need child care. and women particularly have been extraordinarily impacted by this pandemic because it's women who are taking care of people and
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senior citizen areas and hospitals and the like. it's the women who had to leave to come home and take care of their children. having women back in the workforce making a good salary, having child care to support that is going to mean a good healthy recovery. >> thank you both so much for joining us. britney spears called 911 to report the abuse she alleges she suffered as a victim of her conservatorship. one of the startling revelations into the legal bind that has controlled spears' life for 13 years. we'll tell you what else the investigation found out next. fot
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last week a los angeles superior court judge denied britney spears' request to remove her father from her conservatorship. the judge's decision follows spears' powerful testimony where she alleged abuse from her father and her team since 2008 when she was first placed under the court ordered conservatorship. in light of her testimony senators elizabeth warren and bob casey are calling for more federal oversight of the country's conservatorship system. in a letter to health and human services secretary javier becerra and garland, ms. spears' case has shined a light on long-standing concerns from advocates who have underscored the potential for financial and civil rights abuses of
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individuals placed under guardianship or conservatorship. despite these concerns comprehensive data are substantially lacking. lack of data hinders the federal government's ability to make policy changes. in a new explosive investigation in the new yorker writers detail exactly how spears' conservatorship, which controls every aspect of her life from her finances to her birth control, came to be. they wrote, quote, as famous and wealthy as spears has been since she was a teenager, she has never been in full control of her life. many of the most harrowing revelations in her testimony have been visible to anyone who cared to look closely. she told the court she had wanted to express them for a long time but had been afraid to do so in public. i thought people would make fun of me, she said, or laugh at me and say she's lying. she has everything. she is britney spears. joining me now gia of "the new
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yorker." i see your byline in a story and i have to talk to you. what was most surprising to you? >> i think what was most surprising to me was the extent to which britney spears' experience of early motherhood has been erased from the narrative of her quote/unquote, breakdown. it struck me in the period of time she was being blasted as crazy or breaking down or a terrible mother, she was in her mid-20s. she had had two children within basically a year of one another. she got divorced while she was nursing a 2-month-old second child and she was enduring motherhood, early motherhood, which is devastating under the best cases. she was enduring this while she was so famous she was making up a quarter of the revenues for photo agencies while paparazzi were taking long-range photos from her house, jumping out of cars, chasing her down on foot,
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documenting her every mistake. i would have a breakdown, too. >> i want to be clear that part of the reason you are doing this reporting, part of the reason you and i are talking about this right now is that her cultural icon status has brought into focus an issue members of the disability rights have been trying to get into focus which is this question of conservatorship and the potential abuses of conservatorship. you heard in the script i was reading there, you now have u.s. senators asking for more information about what is happening. acorrespondenting to the senior director for law and policy at a center for disability rights at syracuse university one of the most dangerous aspects of guardianships is the way they prevent people from getting their own legal counsel. the rights at stake, britney could have been found holding an
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axe and a severed head and said did i it and still had the right to an attorney. under guardianship you don't have the same rights as an ax murderer. what are the questions this is raising? >> there is a sort of uniquely maddening catch 22 aspect as disability rights advocates have been talking about. if you do poorly, if you struggle against having all control of your personal decisions removed, it will be proof that you need it. if you do well under conservatorship as britney spears has, it is positioned as proof that you need it. if you somehow get out and make a mistake in the future, which is how we grow, it is deemed proof you needed it in the first place. britney spears has never had
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counsel of her choosing for the last 13 years. just letting that sink in. if a woman as famous and successful as britney spears cannot have the right to hire her own laurp for the last 13 years while she is generating millions and millions for so many people, lots of money for her conservators it speaks to the extent this system is flawed and does need oversight and stronger rights to access their own counsel. >> what happens next, jia? >> well, listening to her testimony, britney said i didn't know that i could file to terminate the conservatorship, which suggests a level of opacity that is deeply unjust. she or someone close to her can file a petition to terminate the conservatorship. it is likely that the
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conservators will contest that and there will be a long -- there will be a hearing. however, i think that britney spears has not been able to speak on the subject. she has been essentially prohibited from speaking on the conservatorship by the terms of the conservatorship. her team confirmed to us that she's not allowed to speak about it on social immediate qua media without permission. for her entire life she has been operating under the strict tours of what other people think is good for her which has tended to be looking beautiful and selling millions in products and we heard two weeks ago what she wants and it's to get out of the conservatorship and have her boyfriend drive her around in her car and own her own money. it is not an unreasonable ask and whatever happens next will be significant though it will be complicated and contentious by how direct and clear her wishes were in court.
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>> thank you as always, my friend, for your time. coming up, president obama called him a hero. we'll be joined by the intern who helped keep former congressman gabby giffords alive after the shooting that almost killed her. that intern, daniel hernandez, now running for congress to continue the work of his mentor. ♪ maybe i didn't love you ♪ ( ♪♪ ) ♪ quite as often as i could have ♪ we're delivering for the earth. by investing in more electric vehicles, reusable packaging, and carbon capture research. making earth our priority. i thought i'd seen it all. ( ♪♪ ) ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ oh! are you using liberty mutual's i thought i'd seen it all. coverage customizer tool? sorry? well, since you asked. it finds discounts
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last winter when donald trump repeatedly tried to speak with him about reversing the election results in arizona. the arizona republic reports the chairman of the maricopa county board of supervisors left phone calls from trump go to voice mail. he did not return them. quote, at the time mr. hickman was being pressed by the state republican party chairwoman and mr. trump's lawyer rudy giuliani to investigate claims. let's remember there is zero fraud in this state. a republican stepped up and stood firm against lies. last month arizona democrats refused to show up to the house floor, denying republicans a square up to move forward on a budget proposal that included a $1.7 million that would benefit the wealthiest arizonians.
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despite efforts, senate republicans passed the bill with the tax cut included. it was signed into law by arizona's republican governor. how can democrats fight back against the trump agenda and gop lies in purple and red states. joining us arizona state representative daniel hernandez. he helped save congresswoman gabby give orders life the day she was shot. he is running for congressional seat in u.s. congress. i want to talk about the efforts documented to cast doubt on overturning the presidential election in arizona. your reaction to the latest reporting? >> i'm not surprised because what has been happening for the last ten years has been a complete and total attack on the voting rights of arizonians. it is not just against democratic voting rights or republican voting rights, it is everyone's voting rights. we are seeing this extremist trump agenda is still being forwarded by members of the arizona state house. when we passed the budget, there were provisions that would take power away from our democratic secretary of state. so when we are doing these things to stand up and deny them
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quorum, we are not only doing it because we, you know, aren't doing our job, we are doing it to stand up against deals that are being struck in the middle of the night to take away people's voting rights and to keep doing things to chip away at the trust that people have in our election system. this fraud has been going on for months and we're not going to see anything that's going to reveal any fraud or any attempts to steal the election. joe biden won the election and yet people are upset because they didn't like the results. so i've been fighting for this kind of work for the last ten years. my first bill ever was actually a voting rights bill that now the legislature would never be passed. we are asking folks to join us in the fight against the extremist republican agenda, and if people can chip in a couple of dollars, i launched my bid for congress and they go to the website to help me keep up the fight in arizona and to protect everyone's voting rights. >> i want to ask you about the supreme court's decision.
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jonathan nez said that decision exacerbates voting disparities and gives more reasons for the u.s. department of justice to review arizona's election laws that target and single out minority voters including nav au navajo voters. i think some of the demographic shift we are seeing in arizona is the same demographic shift we are seeing across the country and, thus, the desire to suppress voting in arizona mirrors more broadly what we are seeing. how do you think communities of color would be impacted by this ruling? >> it is clear that the arizona state legislature is trying to change the rules of the game because they're not winning at the current game. we have two democratic senators. we have joe biden who just won. arizona's electoral votes. that's because we've seen a big surge in latino voters, mefrm voters and native american voters for the first time in a long time, not just registering but turning out to vote. they've made it harder for folks because they lost the last election. instead of playing by the rules
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which they lost by, they're trying to make it harder for communities of color. the decision by the u.s. supreme court was disappointing but not surprising because what we see with the conservative majority in the supreme court is an attempt to slowly make it harder for communities of color, rural americans, rural arizonaans to have access to the ballot box. it is disappointing but not surprising. we have heard next year that the republican colleagues in the legislature will be introducing some of the more onerous restrictions and ways to make it harder for people to access the ballot box. it will be a full-on war not just this year but next year when we go back to legislative session in january. >> you saw democratic victories out of arizona in the past election. i don't have to tell you that it was a product of a decade of organizing in large part by young arizonans. how did they make sure the tide doesn't swing back the other way? >> the number one way is to elect better people. we have an election in 2022 where we will have a u.s. senate
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election yet again. mark kelly is up for reelection. all of the legislative seats are up and i'm running to defend the congressional seat in southern arizona. first thing we need to do is have people sign up to volunteer and donate. they can go to my website, they can find a candidate they want to help out but we need to make sure we get better people elected because the current republican majority in the legislature is doing nothing to protect voting rights and they're making it harder for us to vote. in order to protect the gains we need folks not to treat it as a regular mid-term election and fight back hard against the republican attacks on the voting rights by turning out to vote in 2022. >> it is interesting because a lot of the action we are seeing is happening at the state level. that is, of course, where you currently have the capacity to legislate, but we are seeing the limits of state governments to fight back. that's part of why we talk about these two pieces of legislation making their way through washington. from your perch as a state legislator, do you have a feeling of frustration with the
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pace at which washington is moving to secure voting rights? >> i'm extremely frustrated we haven't passed the for the people act out of the u.s. senate. it passed out of the house a long time ago. what is happening is in the time it took the house to pass it and now that the senate is waiting to move on it, because we're being stalled because of procedural motions, the senate and the house here in arizona made it harder for people to access the ballot box, harder for citizen initiatives. until we pass s-1 at the federal level republican lawmakers across the country like georgia, like texas and like arizona are going to keep going and attacking our voting rights. so we need the senate to take up s-1 as soon as possible, not just talk about it but to get it passed to protect arizona's voters going into 2022. >> arizona state representative daniel hernandez. thank you. much more still ahead. the next hour of "deadline: white house" starts right after this quick break. -sure does.
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welcome balk to "deadline: white house." i'm alicia menendez. we might be halfway through the user but it is safe to say the biggest legislative theme of 2021 at the federal and state level is voting. restricting ballot access, expanding voter opportunities, there's some good, some bad and a whole lot of ugly. the conservative majority on the supreme court dealt another blow to the voting rights act on thursday by up holding two restrictive voter laws in arizona that disproportionately impact voters of color. the very next day the state supreme court in new hampshire handed a victory to voting rights advocates, striking down a 2017 voter registration law backed by republicans.
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in the unanimous decision the court ruled that the law was unconstitutional because it, quote, imposes unreasonable burdens on the right to vote. then there's texas, arguably ground zero in the fight for the right to vote. democrats are bracing for their next battle against voter suppression efforts in the state after they denied republicans a vote on their restrictive voting bill by walkings out of the texas chamber. texas governor greg abbott called a special session of the texas legislature that will begin this week. republicans plan to use the session again to try to pass the restrictions which would, as "the new york times" noted, install some of the most rigid voting restrictions in the country and cement the state as one of the hardest in which to cast a ballot. since their walk-out texas democrats have been sounding the alarm on the ground to voters and to leaders in washington about the urgent need to pass federal protections on the right to vote. leading off our discussion this hour, two texas state representatives, raphael an chrks "c" hia and gina an ajosa.
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great to see you both. representative anajosa, i will start with you. it is my understanding there's not a lot yet known about the special session, that much of what is happening has been kept very secretive. your sense of what you are anticipating? >> well, the governor has said before that he intends to bring back his voter suppression bill to the legislature. now he has not issued a proclamation yet, a call saying what we will work on. at this point all we have is a press release in the governor's office, no official proclamation about what we are supposed to be working on this thursday. >> representative, it is hard to know exactly what you are fighting against when you are not looking at a legislative draft so much as you are working off a press release. how are you and your colleagues going the try to stop this bill from passing once the special session begins. >> alicia, thanks for having me
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on. it is great to be with you on this 4th of july weekend. look, we don't know what will be on the call, but all you need to do is look at whatever ron desantis is doing and then our governor is going to try to out crazy him. it has been the m.o. really during the worst-kept secret in austin, which is that our governor is running for president and he is trying to curry favor with the trump right wing of the party. we figure that denial of the freedom to vote is going to be on the call along with other red beat issues. the reality is we're going to stop these bills just like we stopped the voter suppression bill by using every tool in our arsenal to either talk it down, debate it down, defeat it, or, if not, we will use the same kind of tactics that we did, and that is frustrate quorum. the bottom line is all of the tools are on the table. >> representative hinojosa, i
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want to pull up what the bill would actually do because when you see it listed out it is kind of mind blowing. back 24-hour voting. ban drive-through voting, ban voting on sundays before 1:00 p.m. add restrictions to vote by mail. this one, which i think is perhaps the most astounding, lower evidence standard for overturning an election based on fraud. i mean is there any sense on the part of your republican colleagues that perhaps they have gone too far? >> well, absolutely. they will not even defend their own bill in public. in fact, the author of the bill has now disavowed the bill that he filed that we killed by walking out and breaking quorum. look, we are texas democrats. we are used to working in a bipartisan manner to get good things done for texans. we have been in the minority for a long time, but this is a bill that they can't even defend in public. so as the minority party, we did what we had to do to defend
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texans, to defend our districts, and that was walk out and deny them quorum. >> so i want to underscore the point that you just made there. ""the houston chronicle"" recently reported some of the texas republicans were walking back some of the restrictions saying one of the members that crafted the final version of the bill, state representative travis clardy and chief author bryan hughes, now denounce the measure related to overturn them and don't plan to revive the bill. there was zero appetite to create a low bar where a single judge can overturn the results of an election. clardy said in an interview it would be horrendous policy and not healthy for a democracy. representative anchia, do you have a sense what is working? is it organizing on the ground that is working? is it the national spotlight that is working? if, as you say, you have a governor plotting his presidential run, what is the
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political counterweight to that? >> the counterweight is to have the eyes of the nation on texas. they tried to sneak the bill through in the middle of the night with provisions they haven't reviewed. it was rushed so badly we were really forced to break quorum and kill the bill. if they want to write an elections bill together, great. i suspect they're not going to want to do that. so, you know, the reason we're even having this debate is because of the big lie that you have reported on extensively. so the question is our right to vote is precious. my mother comes from -- she is an immigrant from mexico that had one-party rule for 70 years. my father is an immigrant from northern spain that had absolute dictatorship. if you want to infringe on our freedom to vote, we take it very, very seriously in our family and we're going to fight you tooth and nail to make sure that we stop the bill. the reality is we don't know what is going to be in the bill. they have worked very, very hard for decades to try to limit our rights to vote in texas. it is one of the most difficult
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states to vote in. if you want to infringe on the right to vote further, you are going to have to come through us. >> representative hinojosa, both of you came to washington to talk about the urgent need for federal legislation. your sense of whether that sense of urgency has stuck? >> i think it has. after visiting with the vice president where she informed us that she knew we were tired after what we had been through, but urged us to continue our work, continue to -- to continue this fight for voting rights. after that i myself went to west virginia, was at a voting rights rally, talked to the locals who were urging manchin to support the for the people act, support the john lewis voting rights act, and to support doing away with the filibuster for these voting rights bills. they sounded hopeful. they were working with their states, with their u.s. senator, and so i think it is working.
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i think we all need to keep up the pressure, keep up the advocacy, and we intend to do that. >> representative, what makes this so complex is part of this is playing out in state legislatures, part of this is playing out at the federal level in terms of, you know, these two pieces of legislation to protect voting rights, and part of this is playing out within the u.s. legal system. in light of the recent supreme court decision, do you feel that the contours of this conversation around voting rights has changed? >> i'm really concerned about it, to be honest with you it i don't want to leave this up to the courts. we need the federal government to act. speaker pelosi, leader schumer and vice president harris all said that they were asking the texas democrats to buy them some time to get federal legislation passed. we need to get that done. we need a back stop for the state of texas. i don't want to leave this up to the courts because i think the clearest path is to make sure that texas is once again covered
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by the voting rights act, and then we have the back stop of the department of justice and merrick garland who has sued georgia to make sure they maintain the freedom of the right to vote in that state as well. >> representative hinojosa president biden has said he will be speaking on voting rights this week. what do you want to hear from him? >> i want to hear it is his other rights. that's why we have come together as democrats in texas to defend our voting rights, and we have been encouraged by him, but i want to see him make it clear it is his number one priority and that he intends to use the full weight of the white house to make sure this legislation passes at the federal level. >> thank you so much.
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the u.s. economy added 850,000 jobs last month. president biden has touted that latest jobs report as a sign that his economic policies are working. there's still a long way to go before we are back to prix pandemic employment levels, especially for women. the pandemic-induced recession has been called the she-cession.
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since the start of the pandemic, more than 2 million women left the labor force. as the biden infrastructure plan is increasingly seen as the make-or-break moment forwoman, especially mothers, to have access to work that works for them, how will the biden plan address paid parental leave, child care and could it extend the child tax credit? according to yahoo news the white house started informal discussion with republicans on a possible second bipartisan infrastructure package that focuses on the social safety net. quote, there's this recognition that family policy is a weng issue, one expert with a knowledge of the recent white house-gop meeting said. the open question is do they get their act together and approach the white house with a common set of priorities? so far i haven't seen them leaping at the opportunity to do that. joining us now, reporting "women for the economy" for the 19th and back with us. senator hinojosa is a former
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spokesperson for the democratic national committee as well as the department of justice. when i hear child care as a wedge issue, i have a lot of questions, right. what is on the line? i know what is on the line for the country. i know what is on the line for women. what is on the line for republicans if they don't come to the table and try to be a part of this negotiation? >> this is, you know, has increasingly become key, key issue for the biden administration. they want to see this passed and they want to see it passed at the same time as this infrastructure, this jobs plan that the republicans have come together with democrats to pass. so these two things have to pass at the same time. the biden administration has said he -- he has said, i will not sign a bipartisan infrastructure bill if this other plan that has child care in it, that has paid family leave, universal pre-k, if this plan does not also pass at the same time. so we have sort of these two
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major priorities for republicans in one and for democrats in the other, and the biden administration wants to see them passed together. so republicans would have to come to the table for that. >> so, everything we talk about is with an eye towards 2022 and, of course, beyond and we'll loop back to talking about what happens if child care as an industry fails. but for democrats, what is on the line in terms of the pressure to deliver here on both pieces of this infrastructure package? >> there is a lot on the line. the reason why joe biden is sitting in the white house, the reason why we won back the house, the reason we won the senate is because women put us over the top and it was women of color that delivered in some of the key states. the pandemic hurt women and especially women of color. if you are looking back at the stacks, child care closures amounted to about 611,000 women leaving their jobs. this impacted everybody. i mean we all understand what it is like to live in the pandemic
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with no child care, and so it is critical for this administration and democrats to deliver on this package. they want to be successful ahead of the mid-term election. you have to show that you delivered women the critical part, the party that delivered you the white house, the house and the senate >> all right. i want to set the states here because i think it is really easy to lose track of, which is pre-pandemic the child care industry was often referred to as a failed market by experts. the prices, the costs, insurmountable for many families, and yet child care workers are being paid a living wage. it wasn't working for people on either side of the equation. so clearly there is a need for radical, dramatic change so that we can talk about a future where there is a child care industry in america. what would that type of change look like? >> i mean it is an investment that we as a country have never
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really put into child care. i think the last time we really invested was after world war ii. so it has been decades since we've really looked at this industry and tried to make it sustainable. the american rescue plan had some funds for child care. some of that money has already been going out to the states to try to stabilize the industry, to try to be able to pay its workers a little bit more so that they can retain them, so that children have a reliable care, so take these workers who are, again, 95% women can have a sustainable job. so it is absolutely something we just have never invested in, and we have seen through this pandemic the loss of child care, the industry that lost the second highest number of jobs. so now that our economy is doing a little bit better this month we saw child care jobs came back. it is a sustainability issue, not just for folks in that industry but for the many other working women that it supports that they can continue to go back to work. >> so this all pulls us back
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into the vortex that it feels like we are constantly pulled back into where you look at polling, and the polling bears out bipartisan support on the part of voters for many of these initiatives that would bolster child care, that would get women back to work, and yet you don't see that same bipartisan support in the halls of congress. what is it that is stopping republicans from being a party to this? >> well, it is sad. you would have thought that after losing a few elections republicans would finally realize that they must invest in women and that something like child care is part of infrastructure. it seems like they haven't learned their lesson, and that's what is sad about this. if republicans don't deliver here and they don't come to the table and they don't sort of come to the table with an aggressive package to really be there for moms, then you are going to see them lose again. i mean what i will tell you is that normal, we can't go back to normal. that was something that the child care system never worked for moms.
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so we must have a pathway forward that is supporting moms for the first time. >> i want to read something that you wrote for "the 19th." you wrote, black women saw their unplacement rate rise from 8.2% in may to 8.5% in june. latinas' rate went up from 7.4% to 7.9%. white women have an unemployment rate of 5% and asian women's rate is 5.3%. in the past few months women of color have led strikes at restaurants across the nation, demanding higher pay and better benefits. we have talked, of course, about child care as an industry, an industry where you see a lot of women, a lot of women as color as service providers. what are some of the other sort of fundamental foundational changes we have seen as a product of this pandemic? >> yeah, i think what is really interesting, what we are seeing right now is sort of a
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reshuffling of the power that some employees have in this country to be able to, like i mentioned in the store, reassess the moment and realize, hey, i can move into a better job. i can demand higher wages, i can demand better benefits, and we are seeing women across the country lead that movement. they are leaving the job and walking off. so some of the unemployment rates we saw this month could be women saying, okay, i have the option to go into a job that is more sustainable for me, pays me better. so maybe i was in a job for the pandemic just to get by, and now i'm in a moment where i can move into something that is better for me. so we are seeing women make that calculation, and the reason it is women is because women are overwhelmingly concentrated in these hospitality jobs, in these child care jobs that are among the lowest paid in the country and are among the lowest paid people overall in the country. so what we are seeing through
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this pandemic is i think a reassessment of work, of what works for you, and then an opportunity for workers to look for options that better fit them in the long term. >> at the outset of this infrastructure debate, one of the things we heard over and over again is that president biden and vice president harris were going to have to get out on the road and they were going to have to sell this infrastructure plan. now that the dynamics of this have shifted a bit and they're really looking at this as two pieces, how do they continue to sell this piece of child care, care in general being infrastructure? >> if i were them, i would go to the mothers that have been impacted by this pandemic and tell their stories. they should start putting women on television, doing paid advertising, making sure these women are telling their stories shall and going into those
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districts and specifically finding stories, whether it be in west virginia or arizona and other places, to put pressure on members of congress to ensure that members of congress are not telling kamala harris and joe biden no, that they're telling their constituencies no. i think this will be very important. i want to see some muscle behind this. i think you have seen the administration be pretty aggressive on this front, and they should continue to travel the country to ensure that this gets done. >> choppily carranza, xochitl, thank you for joining us. up next, the rampant infectious covid strain doing tremendous damage in unvaccinated communities. we have the latest information about the deadly delta variant next. e deadly delta variant next ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ comfort in the extreme.
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a praise it is not put especially in breaking down that ballot reference before. getting into the nuance and recognizing that no demographic is a monolith. we have seen so many cross tabs as it applies to white voters, apply the same approach with latino voters and indigenous voters and get to the source of what is guiding people's perspective. as paola mentioned it is about a cultural creative curiosity but also about investments if fully understanding because it is absolutely right. democrats have been known for issuing a blanket message that doesn't yield across-the-board results. now it is time to get into the nuance, because what we saw in 2020 is that trump and the republicans were able to tap into some of the fears of different segments within the
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latino community. whether that's related to socialism, whether it is related to immigration, whether it is related to the concept of the american dream, but now when we see a ten point gain for someone like trump after all of the harm he has done, it is time to counteract that with investments that dig into the nuanced and reality of the lived experience of different segments of this community. >> paola, what do you think it means for 2022? >> i think the big question democrats have to figure out is can we, do we go after those lost latino trump supporters and can we do that while at the same time going for the more progressive, diverse latino voters n this moment i'm not sure you can do both things because they're at moral odds. that's the question we need to figure out, can you do both or do you shamelessly go for the base and defend them with all of the values we claim to have. >> it is interesting to me, juanita, because everything that paola is saying about the broader context is true. everything you are saying about
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investments and where parties choose to invest is true, and we all know it is happening set against the backdrop of voter suppression laws taking place all around this country, and in many states where you have a high percentage of latino voters. this is pew looking how latino voters voted in the 2020 election. 55% vote by mail, 27% in person early, 18% in person election day. i mean, juanita, in as much as, you know, the party is going to have to think about policy, about delivering, about messaging, so much of what happens in '22, specifically when it comes to communities of color, is going to be about access and ability to vote. >> that's exactly right, alicia. it is about how to vote. i remember the focus groups i would sit in with women of color across the country, and that was the number one issue. they didn't have a clear understanding of how to vote. granted, 2020 happened during the global pandemic and we are all trying to figure it out. i think now that we're up
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against -- we see democrats up against these voter suppression tactics that we know are most harmful for communities of color as well as young voters, the two demographics that continuously give returns to the democrats, this is going to be a big investment. we are seeing it in texas with the coalition of progressive groups getting together that are going to run through the mid-terms and invest mills in making sure voters have the information they need. i think the democrats need to run that same strategy across the country, and especially in the 14 states where voter suppression laws have already been passed. i think republicans are banking on the idea that, okay, turnout in mid-terms is typically lower than in presidential years, and now with these voter suppression bills that also will be a turn-off for voters who tend to lean democrats. when fewer voters show up, republicans do better. this is what we need to see from the democratic party to combat the barriers voters will be facing in 2022. >> paola, i know focusing on
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2022 can seem myopic, especially when you are talking about a fast-growing portion of the electorate that is going to have the power to change elections for years to come, specifically when we talk about young latinos. what is it that they need to be seeing now from both parties to establish the type of partisan loyalty that can carry for generations? >> the most important thing they need to see is that the promises that were told and given to them are actually being accomplished, right. when president biden talked about immigration reform, when he talked about climate change, when he talked about criminal justice reform, people didn't necessarily vote for him because they were loyal to him. it is because they banked on faith, because they believed in that promise, because they believed that the party truly, truly wanted that type of america. i think the most important thing young people need right now is to not be disillusioned. the way to get it light now is to see those promises actually become reality. once again, being very shameless about that, right. having a party and a president
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and an administration that fights for that vision that was promised on the campaign trail. so i think what they need right now is -- what all young people need, which is to not be disillusioned, towns why you are fighting, why you are voting. the only way you understand that is if you see actual results. >> paol a ramos, juanita toliver, thank you both so much. up next, millions of formerly incarcerated people can now vote in this country, but only one in four registered to do so in 2020. why so many formerly incarcerated are not exercising their right to vote and what can be done to change that statistic. that's right after the break. erk . an air force veteran made of doing what's right, not what's easy. so when a hailstorm hit, usaa reached out before he could even inspect the damage. that's how you do it right. usaa insurance is made just the way martin's family needs it with hassle-free claims, he got paid before his neighbor even got started. because doing right by our members, that's what's right. usaa. what you're made of,
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home. there's no place like it. every state except maine and vermont strips incarcerated individuals of their voting rights while they're in prison, but what what happens after thee served their time? what happens to the rights of the formerly incarcerated? well, it depends on which state you live in. the good news, at least a dozen states have expanded the voting rights of people with felony convictions between 2016 and 2020. as a result, millions of formerly incarcerated people are now eligible to vote. the bad news, many aren't aware that they have had their voting rights restored. the marshall project looked at voting rights information and found none of the states we examined registered more than one in four eligible voters who were formerly incarcerated, significantly lower than the registration rate in the general public.
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almost three of four eligible voters were registered in each state. joining us is the executive director of an organization that works on voting and criminal justice reform. desmond, i want to highlight something from the marshall project report. they write low registration numbers for formerly incarcerated people reflect more than apathy and political alienation. most don't even know they have the right to vote. none of the states in our analysis required corrections departments or boards of elections to notify newly eligible voters of their rights. so let me get this straight. the law may have changed but it's now up to groups like yours to run outreach campaigns, is that right? >> that's correct. alicia. i think of the juneteenth effect. that's what i call it. it reminds me of the story about juneteenth where the slaves in galveston did not realize they were free until two years after the emancipation proclamation. it's the same thing here in florida. even after the passage of
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amendment 4, there's still a significant number of returning citizens who don't even realize what amendment 4 does or even how it impacts their lives and that it passed. and so we're constantly out in the community now really trying to engage those individuals and get them plugged into democracy. >> so, desmond, tell me, who you're having those conversations with individuals who are formerly incarcerated and you say you now have access to vote, what is it you most frequently hear from them? >> what i most frequently experience is, you know, almost like a weight has been lifted off of their back. there's so many people because of so many years of being denied the right to vote and being ostracized by our society and the narrative that basically says that if you have a felony conviction that you're not worthy of having your voice heard or being a part of this society, knowing or hearing that
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they now have the opportunity to participate in democracy is a very liberating experience, and i've seen grown men and women in their 50s and 60s and 70s just break down in tears. one particular story here in florida, we had a woman who had been trying for over 20 years to have her rights restored to be able to participate in elections. and when she was finally able to register to vote, you know, she informed us that she was given six months to live by her doctor. her dying wish was not to go to disney world or to meet a famous celebrity. her dying wish waso feel what it was like to cast a ballot. >> desmond, if the big gap here, right, between people who now have the right to vote actually registering to vote and turning out to vote, is there simple understanding that their right has been restored, what is the government's role in communicating that? >> i think the government should
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play a major role in this. i think that any government worth its weight should be encouraging people to participate in our democracy, right? it's not about the right, it's not about the left. it's the understanding that our democracy benefits everyone and becomes more vibrant when everyone participates. and we should not have a government who focuses on trying to limit access to the ballot box, but rather they should be trying to expand access. >> desmond, some states restore voting rights upon release from prison. others don't restore them until parole has been completed. how does the patchwork of laws complicate this issue? >> well, one of the very first things it does, it gives people in various states the impression that because o fony conviction, they're not allowed to participate in elections. for instance, during the runoff in georgia, we encountered a slew of returning citizens who were eligible to vote, but they
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were under the understanding that they could not vote because of a prior felony conviction. so that's the biggest hurdle to overcome. really let people know that once they're done with their time, a lot of states are allowing people to be able to participate in our democracy. now, we do know that about 30 states require some type of legal, financial obligation that a person must satisfy before registering to vote. but these are obstacles that i think we're ready to fight through and engage people in a very, very broadway. for instance, in florida, even though we have outstanding legal financial obligations requirement, out of the 1.4 million that amendment 4 impacted, a little over 600,000 do not have those financial requirements and can register to vote right now today. >> desmond, what is your message to federal legislators about why
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this needs to be reckoned with at the federal level? >> well, you know, when you talk about voting, right, as political as it seems and how many votes democrats or republicans gain or lose, the reality is voting should not be political. when we talk about our democracy, it should not be politicized. when we talk about democracy, it's about people of all walks of life, all political persuasions. whether or not they agree with you or not, they should be able to participate in any election, right? and that's a message that we're pushing here in florida. we fought just as hard for the person that timed to vote for donald trump as the person who wished they could have voted for president barack obama. everyone needs to participate, and we don't -- we should not politicize it. when we look at this as a division in our country, my mind goes back to what we're seeing right now in south florida in
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surfside, right? that there are moments when this country can come together and don't care if you're democrat or republican or who you voted for, right? when we can rally around people's lives, right, because of what they're going through, we should be rallying around our democracy the same way, irregardless of how people vote or how they think or the color of their skin, they should be able to join us in participating in democracy. >> desmond meade, you know i always love to see you. thank you so much. thank you for watching. a special two-hour edition of "the reidout" with joy reid starts now. starts n ow [ kles ] don't get me wrong, i love my rv, but insuring it is such a hassle. same with my boat. the insurance bills are through the roof. -[ sighs ] -be cool. i wish i could group my insurance stuff. -[ coughs ] bundle. -the house, the car, the rv. like a cluster. an insurance cluster. -woosah. -[ chuckles ] -i doubt that exists. -it's a bundle! it's a bundle, and it saves you money!
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