good day. this is "andrea mitchell reports." i am kasie hunt in washington. as the search operation in south florida intensifies after days hamper initia efforts inside the rubble. after that initial condo collapse more than a week ago. at this hour, at least 32 are dead and 113 people are still unaccounted for. we are also tracking elsa's path with tropical storm watches and warnings from florida's west coast up through the carolinas and outer weatherbands impacting the effort in surfside, we'll bring you the forecast in just a few moments and there's a concerning new trend in the fight against the coronavirus with the delta variant spreading as the national vaccination rate flattens out.

this afternoon president biden will get a briefing from his covid advisers before delivering remarks on the white house on the next steps to get more shots in arms across the country. let's start with the two big stories that we are covering in florida with nbc's sam brock in elsa's path down in key west. nbc meteorologist bill karins tracking the storm and vaughn hilliard with the latest on the search and rescue in surfside. sam, we'll start with you. we've been following your reporting through the morning and we can see that things have gotten pretty dramatic there. so, please, if you need to run in order to stay safe yourself please do, but what's the latest down there in key west? >> kasey, good afternoon. i've got to tell you, the wind is really coming powerfully although it's stopping for a second. right now, i was nearly knocked over about three minutes ago. this has been going in key west all night and into the early morning hours. wind speeds, sustained speeds, kasie were somewhere in the range of 40, 45 miles an hour

and we saw wind gusts of over 62 miles an hour overnight. you can see behind me there are palm trees bending in the breeze. the shore has risen a foot or two and bridging the sea wall points. this is not a hand tear evacuation situation, kasie. in fact, it's been more of a nuisance and disruption for all of the people that come down here to travel and enjoy the holiday. many of them have had their plans disrupted, flights have been cancelled and people who were trying to get out of here yesterday had to wait today and everything has been canceled through 2:00 or 3:00 this afternoon, at least as you can really get a sense right now of how powerful those winds are, it's hard to stand up straight. i will say people are making the best of the situation. i've spoken to newlyweds from virj. they got down here. they just got married and we're expecting a tropical experience. this is not exactly what they had in mind.

here's what they told me they saw when they arrived in key west. >> there's nobody on the road. there was nobody walking, maybe one or two people. it's a ghost town, it's boarded up, shut down, there's no people and it's -- it's like almost like a zombie apocalypse. nobody out. nobody around. >> are you creating a memory now that you'll never forget? >> oh, my god, yes. >> we have a story for at least the next 50 years. >> kasie, which also worth noting that georgia and south carolina are also under tropical storm watches or warnings, i should say. we are under a warning here and that's 2 million more people in georgia and south carolina. kasie? >> well, indeed, memories for a lifetime is very sweet. i'm glad that couple is okay and sam, we'll let you go. stay safe out there, my friend. we really appreciate you being there for us. >> bill karins, let me go to you now.

we, of course, have millions of americans in the southeast wondering how elsa will impact their communities. obviously, sam brock living through it directly. what can you tell us about who else is in the path of the storm and who should be a little bit concerned? >> kasie, sam is the confirmation that this storm look like it's trying to intensify a little bit and we had a 70-mile per hour wind gust and 62 is the highest overnight. the storm may be trying to make a run at the category 1 hurricane and any time we have the storms over the warm waters in the gulf, we don't give up on them until they're inland and weakening because you never know. sometimes they can try to jump up at the last minute and they have 12 to 18 hours over water and we'll not give up on it and we'll watch it closely. this is the satellite imagery. the sun rose over it this morning and the swirl and the center is located right around there and it's about 50 to 60

miles around keywest and there's the confirmation of the 70 to 80-mile-per-hour wind gust. if you're near that core which includes key west right now you can get these really high gusts and this will move northward into fort miers and naples later this evening and tomorrow morning, as we go around areas like pinellas county into the overnight hours around clear water beach, sarasota and heading on into tampa. here is the latest from the hurricane center. again, 60 mile per hour, and now that we had the 70-mile-per-hour gusts and who knows? this may get upgraded when we get the 2:00 advisory. you can see on radar, it's starting to curl around itself more and that's also a sign that it's trying to get a little better organized. regardless, we don't think it will make a big run in intensity and we don't think it will jump up to a category 2 or 3 and notice that cone does include

the tampa area. regardless, if it does include the right side and that's the windy side and this right now would have a scenario, and off toward cedar key and that's in pretty good agreement and by far, the biggest issue with the biggest high tide cycles will be the potential for three to five feet. we'll watch it, kasie, and the highest prediction wind gusts are in the 40 to 60 mile per hour range and we'll watch it. >> all right. kiehl keep an eye on that, bill, thank you very much. it's always lovely to see. later on in the day it's still dark outside. appreciate you sticking around. vaughn, let me go to you. rescue teams in surfside are dealing with the strong wind gusts and storm, but the effort has been accelerated because of the partial -- the demolition of what was left over. what's the latest that we've

seen today as so many families continue to wait for any sign of their loved ones? >> reporter: yeah. that's right, kasie. we just watched -- you see some more of those rescue crews walking behind us right now. this is the top of noon shift change where the noon task force will be arriving on to that scene. we now know that there are about 200 individuals at any given time on top of that pile and an elevated number from that -- from before that building was ultimately demolished. there was concern over that building and whether it was structurally sound and fear that it could topple over especially questions to which tropical storm elsa would impact surfside. the good news right now you're not seeing any rain. kasie when you and i talked way too early this morning we were anticipating, preparing for rain to come up around sunrise here, but so far over the last six hours, we haven't seen any rain. we did, yesterday afternoon and evening see wind gusts and rain and there was lightning that caused these rescue crews to halt their operations and two

different instances. surfside has been blessed today to not receive any major elements of that storm that sam is experiencing down in the keys. we do expect and we've been listening to bill and we've been watching on our own apps and we do expect the rain and wind to come in here at the 2:00, 3:00 hour and that has allowed these crews to intensify this search on top of that rubble. we do hear from the mayor a bit ago, an update which is an important distinction. we've been using this number 113 unaccounted for individuals. we are now being provided a new number and that is the number 70. 70 individuals are confirmed missing. essentially, there's now a discrepancy of 43 individuals and the explanation the mayor gave to me for that is that they were receiving leads and call-s in about people they believed to be missing and they're actively trying to identify those 43 individuals. so we believe that there is about -- that number missing is

somewhere between 70 and 113. obviously, we're hoping on the lower end of that, kasie. >> we very much are. vaughn hilliard, thank you very much for that. also good to see you. we also spoke at 5:00 this morning. bill karins, thanks to you, as well. joining me is chief dave downey chairman of the urban search and rescue committee. he spent more than three decades with miami-dade fire rescue. chief, thank you for spending a few minutes with us today. let's start with the situation after the demolition. of course, this new strategy has allowed crews a safer approach to try and find -- try and dig through the remaining rubble. what is the latest with that strategy and how have things changed in the last few hours? [ no audio ]

>> oh, sir. i'm so sorry. i think that you may be on mute. >> sorry. i'm back. >> apologize there. thank you so much. yes, do i. here's hoping we can get out of this pandemic so we have to stop dealing with this. please, start again. >> i'm so sorry. yes. so the demolition of the building certainly made it a bit safer for the crews. there's no hazard with the falling debris now or further collapse and so the efforts now can span the entire collapse zone. we were certainly restricted because of the hazards of the building. so as you see now, those being recovered and the numbers are coming up. rescuers are still maintaining hope. their goal is to bring closure to every one of these families and they're going to continue to work around the clock as you saw in your previous report. they changed their shifts at 12:00 noon. so fresh task forces are moving on to the pile and they'll work there for 12 hours while this

other crew rehabilitates and this will continue to go on until everybody has recovered. >> so, chief, one thing we've talked a lot about over the last few weeks is voids places and where there's hope to think that people may have gotten through this. has there been any sort of those spaces found at this point. is there reason to hope that there may be more of that underneath the rubble or not? >> well, the type of collapse doesn't lend itself to large void spaces, and what the rescuers are continuing to look for are void spaces that could have survivors. so far, we haven't uncovered any of those. we uncovered some void spaces, but nowhere where somebody could survive and so that's obviously disappointing, continuing to de-layer this building and try to uncover these spaces and i think as we realize as the day goes on, the likelihood is diminishing. that's not going to change the

approach to the search and rescue people. their goal is closure for all of these families and so they're going to continue the tempo and continue the work. >> and it is such important and difficult work, and we are thinking of all of you as well as those families who are just hoping for something to find some evidence of their loved ones. david downey, thank you very much for joining us today. we really appreciate it. coming up next here, problem solved? the house problem solvers caucus throws their support behind the president's infrastructure plan. will it translate into votes? >> six months after the attack on the capitol, madeleine dean joins us. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. ♪ breeze drifting on by you know how i feel. ♪

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welcome back. the biden administration's infrastructure package just got a boost from the house problem solver's caucus. they backed the senate's bipartisan infrastructure framework. what does this mean for the plan? joining me now is nbc capitol hill correspondent leann caldwell. good to see you. you are one of the first people to report this news from the problem solver's caucus. we should underscore for everyone that the majority in the house is incredibly narrow. this could potentially be significant. what's your read on what this

means? >> that's right, kasie. every time someone comes out saying they'll vote for this infrastructure framework that's good news for the president, but there's still a long way to go between now and when this vote actually takes place. we still have to see text of legislation, the process of how this is going to play out on the floor is still to be determined. so there's a lot of things that could still go wrong, but at the beginning, this is a very good sign for it. that's because as part of the problem solver's caucus there are 29 republicans in the problem solver's caucus. that means up to 29 could, in fact, vote for this legislation once it is, in fact, released and when there is a vote on it. so that means that it's going to be much easier perhaps, for police toe keep the democratic party united because that's going to be a big challenge as many progressives have said that they don't want to vote on this bipartisan bill, if they're not getting a vote on this major

infrastructure human infrastructure legislation, and my resources from the problem solver's caucus is telling me that they expect that most republicans would actually vote for it, if things do go right because infrastructure is good for most of these people's swing districts. kasie? >> you know, it's a very interesting point, and of course, perhaps complicated by the one-two punch that they're planning with the reconciliation package, but still a boost for this bipartisan deal. leigh ann caldwell. thank you very much. appreciate your reporting. joining me is madeleine dean from pennsylvania who is an excellent person to talk to about the final point that leigh ann was making right there. congresswoman, thank you so much for spending time with us today and i'm curious. pennsylvania is a state that is changing, has been affected for sure as we faced this sort of rural, urban realignment under president trump. what's your sense of passing the

bipartisan piece of this means for some of these swing districts in particular in your state where there are members who only narrowly won and who really would like to be able to show results to their constituents? >> kasie, it's good to be with you and i want to thank you first for the coverage for the florida families. may god bless them and the first responders there over the course of this weekend we were reminded how difficult and heroic the work is. we lost a firefighter on july 4th here in our area in lower marian which i'm sure you're familiar with since you're from wayne, pennsylvania. god bless those first responders. on the infrastructure package, surely, that's good news. we would love to have bipartisan support to regrow our economy as the economy is growing and the way of investment in the future for infrastructure.

here in my district, this is a bipartisan agreement that i hope we get passed that i hope will bring billions of dollars, frankly, to invest for the next generation. i think about it in terms of generations. we inherited from generations past, innovative infrastructure, but it is our time to make sure that we invest for future generations to come. my grandchildren and their grandchildren. democrats are here and we are using a majority to govern for the people. >> congresswoman, i'd like to switch gears for a moment because today is the six-month anniversary since the insurrection at the capitol which was on january 6th and you know, i think a lot of us who were there that day have been spending some time reflecting. i'd be interested in your reflections and i think there's also a certain level of concern about whether enough has been done quickly enough to harden

the capitol, to protect it and to make a plan in case there is more violence. we've seen some warnings from dhs that are troubling about conspiracy theories online that might lead to additional attacks. do you think the capitol and the capitol police are ready to defend against what may come? >> i'm worried, too. we saw capitol police save our lives, yours and mine and thousands of other people's lives, and so for us not to invest robustly in them because they need protection, they need investment i think is a critical error and it's puzzling that not a single republican or two republicans did vote for the 1/6 select committee, but so many of them chose not to, not to be furious about and not to be offended by the attack by

americans on americans on our democracy, on the seat of our democracy and to not want to invest in knowing what happened, the facts and circumstances and invest in our people, our capitol police, i think it's a shameful decision of failed governing by the republicans. >> congresswoman, the other piece of this, the capitol police announced they'll open regional offices so they're in a better position to investigate threats against members of congress like you. what have you experienced in this regard and what do your colleagues say about the threat level of both here in washington, but also at home and especially when you're traveling in between? >> thank you, and i have been in conversation with capitol police. as an impeachment manager you probably knew that i had a detail that took extraordinary care to make sure they traveled safely, that my home was safe and my children and i and my

husband were safe. i couldn't say more about how proud i am of capitol police, but they do recognize there are other areas that they need to be in order to protect us more fully. remember, they are not really a police force. they are a protectionary force and they do that job so well, but if we handicap them by not offering them the resources for these field offices, for making sure, for example, in airports and train stations and people are traveling safely and we do that at our own peril, again, i call upon the republicans to say, of course, we have to investigate and we have to know what the threats are. we need to be proactive about those threats and i'm very puzzled with what republicans are afraid of and i want to be shown as complicit on the insurrection at the capitol. >> congresswoman madeleine dean, thank you for spending a few

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welcome back. president biden will meet with his covid response team in the next few hours as new fears over the delta variant rise here at home and overseas. there's new data from the israeli government on how the variant impacts pfizer vaccine recipients. nbc's ralph sanchez is in tel aviv. rob, what does this tell us and not tell us? >> preliminary data from israel a health ministry suggests the pfizer vaccine is only 64% effective at stopping infection against the delta variant. that is down from 94% effectiveness against the original virus and we are seeing signs of that on the ground here in israel. every day there's about a hundred of these so-called breakthrough cases and that is someone fully vaccinated who still tests positive for the virus. now that is the worrying news out of this report. the good news, israeli authorities would say the more important news is the data also

suggests the vaccine still highly effective at stopping people from getting seriously ill. more than 90% effective and that, too, reflected on the grounds here. right now in israel there are only 35 people across the entire country who are in hospital with serious covid. i spoke to an israeli scientist earlier about these numbers and he suggested this may be the next phase of the pandemic for highly vaccinated countries like the u.s., like israel that people still testing positive. the virus still circulating, but the numbers of the people getting seriously sick remaining low and manageable. kasie? >> raf sanchez joining me now. >> dr. vin gupta, pulmonologist and assistant professor of health metrics science at the university of washington and a

very familiar and reassuring face for all of us. dr. gupta, let's talk about the big picture here and this is the one study and we do have the delta variant spreading here in the united states. how should people be interpreting what we just heard from raf? >> kasie, good afternoon. what i would say is this is in line with expect eggs and this is what we've been saying from day one. vaccines are keeping you out of the hospital. i'm hearing numbers of 93, 94% real world effectiveness of the pfizer vaccine and the astrazeneca vaccine if you get both dose of astrazeneca. frankly, that's all that should matter, i'll also add the cdc came out recently, kasie, about five days ago with evidence that even if you test positive for coronavirus after you're fully vaccinated and the chances you can transmit the virus to save an unvaccinated child at home is basically zero unless you're in the immunocompromised category,

so there are some exceptions to that, and am i at risk of passing on the virus? the chances that you can do that are extremely rare and also for immunocompromised. >> i think that's really, for those of us who are vaccinated and who are able to get the vaccine. okay, how do i keep people around me safe and there do seem to be different concerns with the delta variant and children. can you help us understand why that might be or what's going on there? >> you know, i think what we know is an exceptional cases, kasie, of coronavirus and there is a worry that the delta variant may cause more children ending up in the hospital. we're seeing indonesia, brazil. one in eight cases are children and those are less than 18 years of age ending up in the hospital. in some cases requiring

ecu-level care. is that because of the delta variant? we don't know that. the longer this continues to spread and the longer children are unvaccinated then we're dealing with a healthy decision, any again, just to reassure paurns out there. the chances that you can pass on the virus to your children that are, say, less than 12 years of age, if you are fully vaccinated is exceptionally, exceptionally low especially if you are not immunocompromised. we don't have enough time to talk about immunocompromised mean, chemotherapy, high doses of steroids if you are immunocompromised. there is nothing suggesting if you are immunocompromised and you may qualify through the first dose to be fully

vaccinate. that's an interesting set of facts and those people will be careful with masking which also protects your kids -- and it's a sign for those of us that have small children. dr. gupta, thank you for being with us. we appreciate your time. as u.s. troops are wining down the 20-year war in afghanistan they're leaving the fighting to afghan security forces. nbc correspondent richard engel was on the ground with them when a fierce fire fight broke out. >> outside kabul in a hostile taliban-controlled area the commandos huddle for a pre-mission brief. tonight they'll raid a taliban safe house and try to kill or capture the fighters inside. they pray for success and protection. these soldiers had u.s. support before, shoulder to shoulder, now they're on their own. >> what is it like now fighting all on your own, no american support? >> so we are ready to fight.

if we die we don't care about it. >> the commandos set out in old american humvees. the vehicles slow down to a crawl when they think they spot an ied. >> an ied, like an explosive? >> the ied may have been a false alarm and they push on. the last leg is on foot, quietly. the commandos hope they can surprise the taliban. >> so the building they're closing in on is actually a mosque and they think there are 15 taliban fighters inside. >> but before they reach their target the man on point the intoes the taliban. rounds are incoming, too. [ shots fired ] >> they launch rocket-propelled grenades to make a path and fire wherever they see muzzle flashes. finally, the commandos reached the mosque. >> they escaped. yes, they escaped.

>> the commandos kill three taliban in hiding. the afghan air force providing top cover kills three more. it's a small setback for the taliban who have captured more than 150 afghan military posts as u.s. troops leave. the commandos consider tonight's mission a success. >> this mission is very good and very successfully for ours. >> this time the taliban got away, but the commandos showed their presence, they disrupted a checkpoint and they proved to the taliban that there are afghans willing to fight for their country. without american troops on the ground, it's now mainly down to the commandos to stop the taliban from taking over. >> joining me now is nbc's chief foreign correspondent richard engel from kabul, afghanistan. richard, we are glad to see you safe and well after those difficult scenarios with the u.s. forces withdrawing. this is -- this is happening so, so quickly.

>> reporter: that's happening very quickly. the taliban are advancing very quickly and that's the way this happens, is once you have a crack and once things start to fall apart, they fall apart very quickly, and what is happening now is the taliban are taking over -- not commando posts, the reason we were out with the commando is that is the one unit that is really still engaged in the fight. it's the big army, the afghan national army and some of the smaller police divisions that are crumbling and in many cases they are not putting up any kind of resistance. they are surrendering their bennons and their posts to the taliban. the taliban captured those weapons and captured the imagery of the sur renter and that intimidates other afghan posts. so the next ones fall. they capture more weapons and it snowballs and that's what we're seeing. right now the taliban have about a third of the afghan military posts. so it has come down to this one

unit. there are only a few tens of thousands of them of these elite special forces that are shouldering the burden and trying to hold this country together and going on raids like that one night after night. the unit that we were with is on another mission right now and normally, special ops don't work that way. they're not designed to be like a big army. they're not designed to secure an entire country. they're not supposed to roll from one mission straight into the next and straight into the next because the main security services here have collapsed, but that is, unfortunately, what is happening as the u.s. troops draw down and this was -- this was predictable. they knew this was coming. they knew that american forces were leaving, but once they did, the taliban moved in and now have momentum and is up to these relatively small, but highly trained and highly motivated forces to try to put a finger in the dam. >> all right. richard engel, stay safe out

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joining me is yamiche alcindor and phil rucker, washington post senior washington correspondent and the co-author of the upcoming book "i alone can fix it." cannot wait to read this in just a few short weeks. thank you both for being here. yamiche, let me start with you. is there anything in these documents from what we know that could point to charges against the former president himself or give them perhaps some leverage to get weisselberg it cooperate? i know that's what they've been trying to do. >> that's the key question that every reporter on the face of the planet is trying to ask, will the former president trump be charged? and the answer right now is it is unclear. there is, of course, weisselberg who is facing now possibly years in jail the if the charges stick because they lay out him trying to defraud the federal government in receiving things like an apartment, receiving things like a car and tuition for his grandchildren and all sorts of other things that the government says is illegal and i

will say that the thing that struck me not being an attorney and reading through all 25 pages of that indictment is that there were two sets of books and the trump organization understood what weisselberg was getting and wasn't telling the government that and also that this was really a scheme that went on for 15 years, and it was really in some ways calling this organization a criminal organization, but the big question is will weisselberg flip and will president trump have any sort of legal ramifications for himself? so many people around him have been charged with all sorts of thing, but the president has been a survivor and he's not faced any legal charges and right now people around him tell me that unless he faces actual charges he'll feel like this is to his political advantage. >> phil rucker, it seems like leaving this rad map behind if you were going to do business this way was a little bit of a mistake. what do you think is the likelihood that the former president himself made similar mistake and created a trail that will lead back to him?

or do you think he's been basically too careful for that? >> well, kasie, the truth is we don't know the answer to that question as it relates to this specific circumstance, but i can talk about what donald trump was like as a private businessman. he was a micromanager in the trump organization. nothing happened in that company without his approval and without him knowing about it. remember, it was a family operation. his children worked there. he had a couple of very close deputies including allen weisselberg who has been charged and it all ran through donald trump, and he sat in that 26th floor office at trump tower and controlled everything. so to the degree to which there were financial shenanigans going on at the trump organization it certainly is very likely given the behavior that we know about from donald trump, the businessman, very likely that trump was involved or knew about it or condoned it in some way, so the real question now for prosecutors is to figure out

whether they can use this indictment now to as leverage to try to convince weisselberg to reveal a potentially incriminating information about donald trump to them in order to not have as much jail time. >> so obviously, we've been talking through the legal aspects of this, but let's talk about the political realities for a second, and phil, i actually, your colleagues at the post took a look at gop candidates who are running in 2022 and they found that at least a third of those candidates support donald trump's claim that he won the 2020 election. that seems incredibly remarkable to me, but it speaks to some of why the former president might get essentially, that his base doesn't necessarily care if his company gets into legal trouble or even perhaps if he himself gets into trouble. what does this mean for the country that there are this many candidates who believe this big lie?

>> you know, kasie, it's really remarkable and amy gardner did that reporting to get to the third any we should keep in mind this is not an ideological question and it's not a question about do you believe yes or no about something. it's a fact, donald trump did not win the election. joe biden has won the election and it's been certified and recounted in a number of states and that's just a fact and the real they we're in now politically in this country is tens of millions of people out there don't believe that fact and they don't believe it because former president trump is telling them that it's not true, and so it his a corrosive impact on the democracy, but it also means that a republican seeking office where trump maintains broad popularity are feeling the squeeze. they're feeling pressure to go along with the big lie even though they are rational people, they know it's not true, but they're saying that trump won the election because they want to win over his supporters. >> and people like congressman

adam kinzinger yelling into the void saying go home, lead people to the truth and only if you tell them the truth and over and over, again. yamiche alcindor, phil rucker, thank you. a year after worldwide protest, the view from george floyd square and the legacy that created. will that momentum continue? this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc.sn bc when technology is easier to use... ♪ barriers don't stand a chance. ♪ that's why we'll stop at nothing to deliver our technology as-a-service. ♪

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welcome back. this time last year streets across the globe were flooded with protests over the murder of george floyd and now former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin faces 22 1/2 years in prison. in a new story out in "the new yorker" the piece points out that while many americans see the conviction as a justened to a public tragedy those in minneapolis quote considered the trial only one concern in a constellation of many that needed to be addressed before there could be anything resembling closure. joining me is the author of that article. thank you for being with us. we appreciate having you here. i recommend to everyone to spend sometime with the article. you return to the scene of george floyd square. what do you think -- just give

people a sense of kind of a thesis of your piece and your thoughts on what the legacy 0 of that place is going to be. >> you know, i think that for people who were outside minneapolis it was very clear. seemed to have a classic story arc of being a terrible thing and then being a trial and concluded it. when i went there for the trial, i was there to cover to trial for "the new yorker" and very quickly realized that the trial was not really the story. it was a story. but the real dynamics of what was happening in the city and the aftermath were taking place across town in the area that's come to be known as george floyd square. there were huge disputes over whether or not that would be opened up to traffic. the city did reopen it but over loud objections to people in the community. what will be the terms that it would be reopened under. what are the demands that people are making? what is the future of the

minneapolis police department? where do the politicians and particularly the city council stand on the issues? the short answer is they've been in different positions with defunding or abolishing the police department in minneapolis so there's a lot that's teeming, an unresolved situation and i want to report on that. >> can you help us understand? there's a couple things going on here. you document some issues with the police department. you note of nearly 2,800 civilian complaints against the department the department ruled 13 of those complaints were even warranted. but then as you note there's been a push to defund police and there's also a corresponding rise in violent crime. how does this all interact to try to move us forward? >> it's very complicated because

all of these varying factors that impact where the public is on any given moment. people are very concerned obviously about the increasing crime that's been in the city. at the same time, people are more cognizant and equally concerned about the impunity of the police department as operated with and so the community organization that actually went through kind of evaluating these cases did that and found in 2,800 cases only 13 found to be justified but that's the police department overseeing itself which is an obvious conflict of interest so the people not necessarily interested in either of those extreme i to abolish the department or allowing it to operate with impunity fallen on the side to say there needs to be stronger oversight of the department as it exists. one other factor the police department is down by almost a

third i believe police officers exodus from the minneapolis pd to surrounding departments and all of these things churned around and hard to understand where this equation will lead us to. >> which is why, of course, the reporting you have done is so important. thank you. very much for being with us this hour. >> thank you. that is going to do it. please do follow the show on facebook and twitter. don't go anywhere. garrett haake is in for chuck todd with "mtp daily" only here on msnbc. snbc

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