have an incredible ratio of size to substance a delicious, salty, crunchy ratio. planters. a nut above. good afternoon, everyone. i'm ayman mohyeldin in new york. just over three weeks after their summit in geneva, president biden and russian president putin spoke again today about the on going ransomware attacks on u.s. businesses being carried out by russian criminals. the president was asked about this controversy with putin a short time ago. here's part of what he had to say. >> i made it very clear to him.

we ask who that is. >> the white house also said today the president will head to philadelphia on tuesday to deliver major speech on his administration's actions to protect the right to vote in this country. this as texas lawmakers push for voting restrictions during a special session of the legislator. over on capitol hill, we're learning more about the time line for action on the bipartisan infrastructure plan. they're about to come down. also crews found another 14 bodies in the rubble of a collapsed condo complex near miami with the death toll now rising to 78 and more than 60 people still unaccounted for. the we're on the ground talking with the survivor who is suing the condo association. and the cdc saying students who are fully vaccinated do not need to wear masks when they return to the classroom later this fall. we'll take a closer look at with

the former white house senior adviser for the covid-19 response. but we start off eugene daniels with the political white house roert as well as being an msnbc political contributor. nbc news capitol hill correspondent and jeremy bash, staff of cia and defense department as well as must be msnbc analyst. he said that the u.s. will take any necessary action to defend us people and critical infrastructure. do we have any more clarity on what that action could be if and when it is deemed necessary? >> the short answer is no. we asked multiple times in the white house briefing the same question to the white house press secretary. and she said that they're not going to kind of show their punches before they throw them. and that is something that

people -- because people are getting concerned how long before -- how many ransomware attacks need to happen from russian soil. they're around rush why. almost nothing happens there without the russian government going through and what we do know is that president biden told putin that the 16 sectors that he told him weeks ago that were off-limits, that critical infrastructure, he continues to tell him that if those get hit, that's when we're going to see a big problem. i assume that is what he means. that is where the white house still stands. >> jeremy, the president has said he is optimistic as u.s. and russia increased communications to try to address attacks like this. is that optimism well placed or a little too optimistic given

the nature of how russia operates with these kind of nonstate actors working on the orders? >> it's not necessarily when dealing with russia. putt yun calls the shots in the russian federation. biden has to be personally engaged. he believes this diplomacy has to be personally conducted. that's when he did today again. i think it's bearing fruit. it's after the u.s. reached out to russia earlier this year. that paved the way for the summit in geneva. and russia cooperated on opening a humanitarian aid corridor with respect to syria. something that threatened the lives of churn, women, and men in syria who are suffering from the war there. now with respect to ransomware though, i think it remains to e seen if russia will comply.

fl we have to say we're going to hold you responsible. and then our actions and response are seen and unseen. that's what you want in an integrated campaign by the u.s. government. >> talk to us about the measures that covert and overt operations that the u.s. can do. you're dealing with nonstate actors widely believed to be at least getting the blessing of the russian government. what is it real us tickly the united states can do. we think of criminal activity of truing to bring people to justice. we simply know that is a really tall order for america to try and, you know, bring nun who is perpetrating these ransomware attacks to face criminal proceedings. >> on the overt open side, two things that the administration has already done is, number one, they imposed sanctions on those individuals who are responsible for ransomware attacks. the sanctions prohibit and frees the travel but goes after the finances, goes after the money. the second thing is that

administration is they've used capabilities, technology and the department of justice to actually find the ransomware money back in the bitcoin or digital currency wallets and seize the funds and return them to the rightful owner. those are two things out of the gate that deter this is kund of action and punishes those responsible. and as for the unseen, the covert things, that's where we use our own cyber capabilities to degrade to deny, to undermine the actual capabilities of the cyber hackers using cyber attacks in response. but again, i think those are the ones that are going to talk the least about. those will be the ones though that can potentially have the most deterrent effect. >> eugene, let's switch gears. the white house launched a bug focus on voting rights. meeting with civil rights groups at the white house. >> what more can we expect to see from the white house on this issue and could this new effort

be and activists that we spoke to on this program and others have said that they want to see more urgency from the white house? >> they said they want to see the president use the bully pulpit more than he has. they want to see him doing more. he is starting to do. that we don't know what this is going to be kind of the state to state that we've seen him do with infrastructure, right, when he was selling his infrastructure plan. he was going from state to state. they want to see that exact same urgency from the president on this and from the vice president who is leading this issue. they are -- one of the things that this vice president deals is building different groups of people to come together. that is more of the work they're going to continue to do and probably announce, you know, in the next few weeks. but you're right. activists say if there is no

legislation, what can anyone do? can you have the administration and the doj suing the state of georgia for its voting restrictions? is that going to continue? that's a question that we've asked and we've gotten kind of no answer on that. you get ten republicans to sign on to hr or hrs is or the john lou us voting rights act or get rid of the filibuster, get a carve out for civil rights for the filibuster. it doesn't matter. so that is what we continue to hear. that's before we got the civil rights act in the 60s. they seem like they're not losing hope but they're clear eyed there is not a lot of time here. >> let's go over to capitol hill s there any path forward for

voting rights legislation given the recent defor the people act in this senate? >> not the fwhalz have been discussed. s-1 is dead. john lewis voting rights act hasn't seen it on the house sued either. democrats have to go back to the drawing board if they want to move something at the federal level. i think it will be enormously challenging as eugene points out. they need republican votes for this. and republicans have no appetite. i mean, absolutely no appetite to see any kind of changes to how very vote in this country brought to the stauts from the federal level. so perhaps there is relief from the courts. perhaps it may come from somewhere else. unless you get rid of the filibuster, they can be as united as they want. but without ten republicans, those pieces of legislation will not get to president biden's desk. it applies to other subject as well. let's talk about infrastructure. where do things stand on that to get bills on infrastructure

through the house and the senate i mean we don't talk about the specifics of the legislation. >> the action is on the senate side for the foreseeable future. the senate gets back next week. you'll see tangs of the democrats two track strategy. they're trying to turn two concepts into pieces of legislation. that bipartisan framework and separately a reconciliation democrat only package. everything that is not in that framework that is in president biden's either jobs plan or families plan that they want to see become law. leader schumer sent out a letter to colleagues this morning who said they're going to work on this through july. he threatened as majority leaders have threatened suns time in memorial to cut into the august recess if necessary to get these things done. but the house and house democrats have been pretty clear. they're not going to move on these things. they're not going to move on the bipartisan legislation once it exists until they see progress on the reconciliation package too. so all eyes will be here on the

senate as they negotiate the bipartisan package between the parties and the reconciliation package just among democrats. really starting in earnest on monday. >> still so many other outstanding issues. police reform is something we haven't gotten to. thanks to the three of you for starting us off this hour. joining us now to take a closer look at president biden's call with putin, ambassador michael mcfall. former ambassador to russia and international affairs analyst. he advised the biden administration in that summit meeting in geneva. great to see you again, sir. thank you for coming on the program. let's start by talking about the ransomware attacks. the president noted these attacks were not state sponsored attacks. it doesn't necessarily mean that the state does not know about them. i'm curious to get your thoughts here. what can putin actually do to stop them? is it likely that something is happening inside russia with something of this magnitude without the knowledge of top

state actors in russia? >> it's possible. they have the internal police and they're good at tracking down criminals and arresting them and arresting noncriminals too. i think it's likely to use the word criminal, right? these are criminals. they're breaking russian law too, by the way. let's oud them. who are the criminals? let's put that out. number two, let's indict them. remember, that's what robert mueller did when we were attacked in 2016. he indicted the criminals. as you were discussing with

jeremy in previous segment, well, it's unlikely we can bring them back. that puts a target on them. that is another tact. and then number three, sanctions and number four, at the top of the list would be direct strikes, cyber strikes against those that attacked us. >> is there a concern that this is in an up ramping face now. if you outline -- if you do what you just outlined and take the measures, could that embolden them rather than deter them? is that a threat that we're prepared to face given the fact we have seen some serious vulnerabilities in the first place that allowed the ransom ware attacks to take place? >>. >> i would be very worried about that if we were talking about government to government responses and escalation. you're right to imply, we have a lot of targets. we're very vulnerable. we have awe lot of work to do in terms of cyber resilience in the

united states. we're so far behind in my view. across the board. we're not talking about the russian government. we're talking about criminals to the best of my knowledge so far what has been discussed publicly. and that i think gives us more leverage and more opportunity to be more aggressive about them and to put pressure on russian authorities, russian -- the russian police. putin is not going to defend criminals in the tit for tat on this. he'll call them criminals or say he has nothing to do with them. that is easier for us to go after them as long as we know them to be criminals and not elements of the russian government. >> yeah. important difference there. let's talk about another aspect of the call today in that readout. >> your thoughts on the development in syria.

should the biden team note this as a win even though they say it fell short of what the humanitarian needs on the groundwork? >> it's all compared to what. we would like two border crossings. but the runup to geneva, i was following it closely, there was a lot of worry that we were not going to get this. the special adviser of the coordinator for the middle east for the national security council was in geneva literally negotiating with the counterpart to make sure at least we maintain the status quo. and i think that's clear. that is saving lives. so would we like to do better? of course. is it a win for diplomacy, i think it is. >> michael mcfall, thank you so much for your time. always greatly appreciated. >> sure. >> and history was made last night at the national spelling bee when a 14-year-old became

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growing concerns about the unraveling situation on the ground in afghanistan as the u.s. troop withdraw continues. "the wall street journal" reporting that officials at the u.s. embassy in kabul are drawing you will plans to reduce the number of contractors and other employees as the security conditions continue to deteriorate.

on thursday, president bud en b denied any relation to vietnam. >> this is not the south vietnamese army. they're not remotely comparable in terms of capability. you tl will be no circumstance of seeing people being lifted off the roof of the embassy of the united states from afghanistan. it is not at all comparable. joining me from afghanistan is richard engel. how quickly is the situation there developing? [ no audio ] >> i feel like we may have lost richard. we'll try to re-estabilsh a connection with him and get right back to him. in the meantime, let's bring in to the conversation a freelance journalist in afghanistan. what you are seeing and hearing

on the ground in in afghanistan today? where do things stand from your reporting? >> we have large scale taliban attacks against major capitals. that is now under attack even tonight. and the taliban have launched the third wave of attacks. we have also seen the fall of districts and the prove uns on the border with iran. and two very important border crossings. with iran and other key hubs for trade fell to the taliban. much of it without a fight. i'm also now hearing that and the prominent warlords in the post 2001 managed to retake some areas back from the taliban. so the afghan national security forces are under immense

pressure, they're turning to citizen militias to commanders to warlords. they lost logistical support. and some of the most remote, you know, parts of afghanistan and i think it's also true that they do not have a credible and meaningful peace process. there is no cease-fire. so all of those problems are really causing a lot of panic, a lot of suffering. and they flip the districts and in rural areas into major provisional capitals are now caught again in the fighting. so they saw a lot of fighting today as well. >> we'll get to the women and children in the future for them in a moment.

i'm curious to get your thoughts as to -- does the taliban retaun a degree of popularity or support? what is it that, you know, based on your reporting and what you're hearing from sources, why are they so successful in being able to move so quickly against the afghan government and the national forces? >> well, the taliban definitely have an upper hand. they've been able to take control of close to 170 districts across afghanistan. most of them in the north. a lot of the districts and bases fell without a single shot being fired. and it also is through that the mass surrenders which were mediated by village and tribal elders really is a growth to the morale of the afghan national security forces. so the taliban have been doing their home work over the years. i think they were reaching a lot

of people at a district village level. they were offering assurances. and it's also through, i think, that if you're a battlefield commander in the afghan army, if you're awe soldier, you know, there are issues. there are issues with living conditions and fatigue. they were not being automobile to go home. corruption was applied. there is a disconnect between kabul and the battlefield. and then the political kabul was not only chaotic in terms of not being united, you know, there was also constant changes in the afghan national security leadership. >> and let me ask you. you were talking about young women and girls. what will happen to women and young gurlz that experience freedom over the last two decades? what is the return of the taliban to control mean to them? how detrimental would it be? is there a difference between the taliban this time around than what it was back in 2001

and the draconian rule that they imposed on women and children? >> you do talk about the 9/11 generation. the new generations that, you know, grew up with more freedoms. they still have access to mobile homes and internet. it would have to be, you know, seeing what will the taliban be doing? but there are a lot of gains that they got over the last 20 years as a result of the treasure and the u.s. and international community invested. so there are a lot of fears and uncertainties. but one thing is really clear, even for the younger generation, these days reminds them of the 1980s and 1990s.

they were defeated. he went through the civilen that is painful past for most afghans. not too distant. they are people who are uncertain of their future and very, very fearful of their past. >> thank you so much for your time and your reporting. back with us once again from kabul nbc news chief correspondent ruch ard engel. i was just asking about the situation on the ground. how quickly things are developing there. bring us up to speed on what you're seeing and hearing from sources and seeing? >> well, i was -- we lost connection with you. i was fortunately able to hear him. i think he gave an amazingly accurate update on the

battlefield situation. visit troubling. in wars, it is all about momentum. and right now the momentum is with the taliban. the taliban claimed they have control now of 85% of the territory. but maybe an exaggeration. if if it is, it is not an exaggeration by much. they have been taking control of large sections of the countryside. mostly rural villages and small cities. but not the major cities. places like kabul are still under government control. i'm also hearing that there is a counter offensive in the works. particularly in the north and in the region. but as he was mentioning, this counter offensive may not come from the central government. it is the warlords. it is trat decisional sources of power here who are starting now to gather their men, gather army, and their own private armies and defend their

territories. and that in the past has spent -- spelled out civil war for this country. so in order to prevent a taliban takeover, you could see this country spilling into civil war. but for now, the taliban continue to have momentum as these different factions try to get some sort of counter offensive underway and the afghan national army continues to break apart. there is still one unit that is fighting the afghan commandos which is an elite special forces unit. it has 30,000 members. also is supported by the afghan air force. but those two huely trained and also highly effective divisions are facing a difficult time as they're going against the taliban which is building momentum particularly outside of the major cities. >> richard, thank you, my friend. stay safe as always. still ahead, pfizer is suggesting the tomb for a covid-19 booster shot.

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seek authorization of a booster dose of its covid-19 vaccine citing waning immunity and new variants. joining me now is the former white house senior adviser for the covid-19 response under president biden. he was previously head of medicare and medicaid in the obama administration. and is the author of preventable, the inside story of how leadership, failures, politics, and selfishness doomed the u.s. coronavirus response. andy, great to you have on this program. pfizer is developing a booster due to evidence of greater risk of infection six months after vaccination as well as the spread of aggressive variants like the delta one. help us under the booster. it is different from the original vaccine why might it be necessary if at all? >> it's the same booster which is good news. it's just essentially provides more of the same. think about it as a third part of the exact same thing that you already have one or two of if

you had the pfizer or moderna vaccine presumably they would follow suit. the disconnect is explained this way. pfizer is looking at data fresh out of israel that suggests that immunity begins to wayne particularly in older people, whether that is 65 or 55, we're not sure the cutoff. and the sense is that other countries in the world are going to begin to recommend that they boost the seniors in the population at some point after 6 months of the vaccine. so i think they're getting ready. i think what the cdc and the fda said today is that's great. can you submit the information. but we will decide. we will review this independently. we'll look at the dat yachlt we'll look at the data you submit and all the other data and make a determination and then the cdc will make a recommendation to the public at the appropriate time about whether or not they agree with what pfizer submitted or whether they don't. so they didn't disagree from

them. >> we want them to be the final arbitor of when and if we do need those boosters. but if a booster would be helpful to certain vulnerable populations, let's say those above 65 or others that may be elderly, why say it unnecessary now? why not give yourself the opportunity to say, hey, we may need it for those that are vulnerable or 65 and above as opposed to saying as the cdc statement said, we don't think it's necessary at this time. >> yeah. i think the key phrase you uttered, "at this time." i think they want to make sure that people are aware that they don't need to go rush out and get a booster. it's not warranted. they haven't made that determination. they also want to make sure they let people who are considering getting their first and second vaccine shots do that because they don't want to discourage people from thinking that those two shots aren't going to do the job. they are. what they're really trying to figure out is after six months,

are there some populations where that change? i think they left themselves open to doing that. if you look at the language, i don't think they said you don't need it. i think they said we're going to do this work. >> as we start looking towards the fall, the big question is about schools reopening. the cdc issuing new guidance on that urging them to welcome students back even if they can't take all the steps necessary to prevent transmission. why do you think they made that decision the way they did? and how do you weigh the threat of, you know, variants like the delta one against the potential negative side effects of virtual schooling? >> i think with the cdc is saying, first of all, good news. teachers able to be vaccinated and with students either vaccinated or wearing a mask which is i think their guidance, it is absolutely safe to be back at school. there has been a lot of investment in many schools around the ability to ventilate and do other things differently. now where it's going to get

tricky is states are not going to adopt the cdc's guidance wholesale. i know for a fact that california is going to say all students k-12 must wear mask wlz vaccinated or not. and texas is going to say, no student should be required to wear a mask. that is going to drive parents crazy. isn't there a best answer here? the reality is there are local conditions that are relevant. there is also sadly politics. they are comfortable say i'm going to wear a mask when it it's required. that may a decision that parents and students plan to make. >> interesting to see how it plays out come the fall and counties and local school boards. thank you for your time. i greatly appreciate it. still ahead, new details in the search for suspects in the

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moises. so far authorities now say 15 members have been arrested including 13 colombians and two haitian-americans. the haitian government says they were foreign myrrh son aries posing as dea agents when they stormed the president's private home killing him and critically wounding his wife who is being treated in a miami hospital. the acting prime minister declared a state of siege but the country's ambassador u.s. denies the marshal law. marshalw still, there is mounting tension in haiti. protesters gathered outside of a police station where some of the suspects were held. some raising questions of whether the assassins had inside help, others skeptical shah that

sophisticated attackers who supposedly penetrated the president's security team would be caught so quickly. >> haitian government officials identified the two u.s. citizens in custody to nbc news. a 35-year-old and a 55-year-old joseph vin sent. "the new york times" citing a judge involved in the investigation whom interviewed the suspects says that judge claims that they were working as translators and were not in the room when the president was killed. ayman? >> thank you for that update. joining me now is monique kliska. so let's talk about the arrests. how skeptical are you about the way they're being made so quickly and what does the declared quote of siege look for haiti right now? what is going on on the ground? >> well, we are totally

skeptical. nobody believes this. the haitian police has not resolved any crime in the last 10, 20 years. whether it is the head of the bar association, so for the haitian police that has legacy of not doing its work, telling us that they have resolved the crime in less than 48 hours, you know this is beyond belief. this is totally surreal. nobody believes it. so that is the first part. now the state of siege is illegal. it is unconstitutional. the constitution does not allow for a state of siege. so why are they declaring a state of siege? nobody knows. so everybody is extremely suspicious of this government. so that's pretty much what this

story is. >> speaking of government, the president's murder has obviously created or left at least a power vacuum in haiti. the acting prime minister saying that he will take over until the elections are held. who do the people of haiti believe to be in charge right now? who should be in power right now? >> this is a nightmare scenario. this is a nightmare scenario that we have been warning about. the this crisis has been going on for three years. and for three years, haitians have been protesting. and saying stop this untide democratic system. the legacy of mr. moise and his predecessor and the party. it is a legacy of rape and murder. it is a legacy of economic down turn. legacy of kidnapping.

so there is nothing good that has come out of that legacy. and now adding on to the chaos is more chaos. there is nobody in charge. whatever the situation. what the civil society and political leaders are saying, it's time for haitians to come together. to have a haitian solution. not any other thing. the haitian solution to try to resolve the chaos. >> thank you so much for your time. i'm sure we'll be speaking to you again in the coming weeks. i really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> and more victims have been found at the site of that deadly condo collapse in florida. i'll talk to a man who survived the collapse and is now suing the condo association. you're watching "ayman mohyeldin reports." association. you're watching "ayman mohyeldin reports. ly, i need a new wireles plan for my business, but all my employees need something different. oh, we can help with that.

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florida's governor, ron desantis. what was that conversation like? >> well, it was actually a good conversation. i met with him and his visors. we met for 25 minutes and he asked -- he wanted to know my story, how i survived, how i got rescued, where i was. and then we got into what do you need? what are we doing for you? what do you think going forward? i told him i thought that the federal government, the state government, the county government, private donors i think should step up and buy the property and make it into a memorial park and put some sort of a plaque on there saying because of this tragedy the condominium laws were changed in florida. so this tragedy doesn't happen again. and he just asked me about -- i told him about issues with the

mortgage i was having, with the homeowners, florida power and light, and he directed this one to take care of this and this one to take care of that one. it was a nice conversation. >> when you look back at it -- because you brought it up -- how did you survive, when you think about it? where were you at the time of the building collapse and how did you manage to get rescued? >> i was asleep and heard this loud thunderclap and then the bed and the room started shaking. i honestly believe i thought i was in a dream in an earthquake in california. and about five seconds later dust starts falling from the ceiling. and i said, well, this is no dream. i ran out to the living room to open up the sliding glass door because i wanted to see if miami was on fire from the earthquake, what kind of damage. i couldn't see out because of the dust. i went to my front door to look at the hallway. i got hit with a plume of smoke, knocked me back. i found the shopping back, i put

on a pair of pants, what i'm wearing now, the shoes, two pair of t-shirts, underwear, a belt, my wallet, my iphone, my ipad, opened the door again and saw everything had collapsed. my neighbors were yelling help me, help me. get me out. i ran to the balcony and just saw ten fire rescue, 20 fire rescue, they just kept coming and coming. we have found out now the back of the building had collapsed. i'm there with my neighbor on her balcony. and it's gone. the back of the building has collapsed. it's gone. now we're sitting there going, when is the front of the building going to collapse, because it took 45 minutes to an hour for the fire department to come up with a ladder to rescue us. >> incredibly harrowing. >> i thought i was done, no question about it. >> i'm just getting nervous thinking about what you're describing. i can't imagine what you lived through and what others had to experience.

we have about 30 seconds left, but i want to hear from you, walk us through what your lawsuit alleges and what you're hoping. i apologize we're short on time, but i do want to hear that. >> we're alleging the condominium was negligent, things that should have been done maybe ten years ago and we weren't aware of it. and it kept getting delayed and delayed. it just got put off and put off. $9 million turned into $16 million. there's one lesson i want to put out to people if i could, if you live in a condo, be proactive, go to your meetings, get involved. i didn't and most people don't, and you need to be involved. you need to know what's going on because it's scary, scary stuff that happened to us. we are homeless. not for all intents and purpose. i'm in a hotel room here that i have to get out of tomorrow. so just get involved with your condo association. >> all right, steve rosenthal, sir, thank you for your time.

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