people keep saying the election was stolen. i have talked to trump voters and supporters who believe that. it erodes confidence in the underpinnings of elections being free and fair. i think all politicians have to answer for that. >> reporter: ali vitali for us in dallas, texas. thank you. we are approaching the top of the house. this is msnbc "reports with yasmin vossoughian." ♪ ♪ welcome, everybody. i'm yasmin vossoughian. if you are still with me, thanks for sticking around. if you are just joining, welcome. coming up in the next hour, an assault on democracy in plain view right now in the texas legislature. the house and senate holding hearings on republican bills aimed at making it more difficult for those in the state to vote, but they may have gotten more than they bargained for. the gop effort met with a flood

of opposition led by beto o'rourke. >> our representatives here need to meet this crisis with the urgency that it demands. do whatever it takes to save democracy. >> this is coming just days before president biden is set to give a national address on voting rights. it follows a white house meeting with a group of civil rights leaders. in a moment i will talk to the reverend al sharpton who was in the meeting about what he wants the president to do as well. meanwhile, the former president set to take the stage this weekend at cpac. the latest effort by donald trump to stay in the limelight, looking for any platform to spread lies about the election, and much, much more. we're going to look at the hold he continues to have on the gop ahead. plus, signs of a painful past finally on the move. a statue of robert e. lee removed in charlottesville four years after a deadly far-right extremist protest to keep it in place led to deadly violence. >> we are standing in a park where this city is still

refusing to address systemic issues and the work of removing the statue is only the tip of the iceberg. >> that young woman has been fighting since she was a teenager to get these statues removed. i am going to talk to her ahead. we want to begin this hour in texas where a special legislative session is happening right now. republicans in both the house and senate, they've unveiled their sweeping plans to overhaul the state's election procedures. since this morning, members of the public have been flooding the state capital to give their own testimonies on these controversial bills after calls from advocacy groups and former congressman beto o'rourke to show up to the state capital and make their voices heard. here is what just one voter had to say to republican lawmakers ahead of his chance to testify. >> listen to the people. of the people, by the people, don't pass that resolution, i mean pass that law. we don't need it. we got good voting, you know.

don't suppress it. you suppress it, you suppress democracy. >> both bills set to be debated over the coming days during the legislatures special session largely resembling republicans' first attempt to pass a restrictive voting act back in may, which failed, of course, after democrats staged a late-night walkout. joining me now is texas state representative eddie rodriguez. thank you for joining us on this. really appreciate it. talk me through some of the most concerning parts of these bills. >> well, first, i want to say this isn't a special session. this is greg abbott's suppression session, and i think we need to start calling it that because that's what it is. look, right now texas has the most restrictive voting laws already in the country. we're number 50 out of -- we're 50 out of 50. so this law is not necessary. i think that's just the bottom line. >> what's the most concerning of these laws about -- what about these laws is most concerning to you? >> i think there's a lot of thought, a lot of things in this

bill. the vote-by-mail and the id requirements in the vote by mail i think is particularly harmful to seniors, essentially harmful to latino voters as well. >> i want to play some sound from beto o'rourke on a possible, once again, democratic walkout. >> i think democrats here in texas need to do whatever it takes to stop this voter suppression bill, and so if they can do it through these hearings and through the public pressure that is mounted to stop their colleagues from trying to tamper with these elections, i think that's great. if they need to break quorum again and take the fight all the way to the steps of the capital in washington, d.c., then they should do that. >> so you heard beto o'rourke say they need to figure out what is going on and possibly do another walk out. what is the plan here? >> well, i think we need to see what happens with the -- you know, in the hearing today.

i have to say it warms my heart to see so many people here in austin at the capital. i'm here at the capital now, you know, waiting to testify on this terrible bill. it is a lot of the hard work of the democratic caucus here, the house caucus reaching out to our constituents to get out here, and i think the people know how devastating this can be for them and they understand, as beto o'rourke said, that democracy is on the line right now. this is critical. i think our quorum break at the end of the regular session was kind of an organic thing. it was planned a little bit, but it kind of happened as the day went on. i was part of the quorum break back in 2003 in a redistricting session. they're not easy to do. when everything is at stake, as i believe it is right now with this bill, we have to -- we have to look at every single tool in our tool box and have it ready to go if we need to do that. >> what are the other tools? how do you plan on stopping this at this point?

>> well, if it gets to the floor, not to get too into the procedural step, but if it gets to the house floor we can go through some of the debates of trying to postpone it as much as possible or, you know, make the debate go longer. i don't know if that is going to be enough. frankly, i think, you know, if this reaches the house floor, it is incumbent upon us to leave. we have to break quorum. that is really as the minority party, probably the only option that we have. so we have to plan for that. now, the question is on the timing of that, is what is -- what that might look like. i don't know yet because we don't know where the bill is going to be, when it is going to be passed out of the committee, and there's a lot of other things to look at. but, you know, i think it is hard to look at this and see any other option for us but to break quorum again. >> so if you were to break quorum once again, then what happens? i mean is this just yet another delay tactic? will the republicans then find a

way to make sure this gets through? >> well, that's always a possibility obviously, but it is really important for us to fight for our constituents and fight for democracy. if it delays it just another month or another two months, so be it, but we have to fight. we have to show our fight and democracy is worth fighting for, and our constituents' rights to vote unobstructed is worth fighting for, whether -- you know, in a month or two it passes is irrelevant to us. but i will say that i'm hopeful that our action, if we do break quorum, will speak to our congressional democrats in the senate and in the house and get them to do what they can to change the law at the federal level. that's what we need them to do. >> i was speaking to one of our reporters in the last hour who talked about the fact there are a lot of folks there that wanted to be heard during this legislative session and they have not been able to be heard as of yet today.

do you know why? >> your question was they were going testify in committee, is that correct? >> exactly. >> there's two other bills that were being heard ahead of house bill three. so as of about 30 minutes ago, i don't even think they had started house bill 3 quite yet. they're on house bill 2, so that's probably the delay. >> got it. texas state representative eddie rodriguez, good luck. thanks for joining us. appreciate it. so as that showdown between texas voters and state lawmakers is continuing, president biden is preparing a major speech on voting rights on tuesday. it is coming after he and vice president harris met with a delegation of civil rights leaders at the white house to discuss how to combat the wave of restrictive republican voting laws we are seeing unfold across the nation. civil rights activists argued the need for joint cooperation between the white house, congress and local leaders. take a listen.

>> democracy is under vigorous, vicious and sinister attack, beginning with the events of january 6th at the capitol and cascading like a tsunami through state legislatures across the nation. >> a movement from the ground up is starting to be the only way that we can preserve our right to vote. we informed them that this is going to come not from the white house down but from our houses up. >> all right. among those at the meeting, national action network president reverend al sharp ton who hosts "politicsnation," by the way, coming up after this hour on msnbc. thank you for joining us and good to see you this afternoon. >> thank you. >> talk us through first how this meeting went and the president's perspective. >> we wanted to meet with the

president and vice president, particularly after the supreme court decision about ten days ago that in effect gutted out section 2 of the voting rights act after section 4 had already been taken out in the shelby versus holder decision. what it said, what the supreme court said was even if there are things that a state does -- in this case arizona was the case that was before the court -- even if there are things that may impede somewhat voters, as long as they did not take away their right to vote people can kind of go through a little difficulties and vote anyway, which really sent the signal that we are back to states' rights because the supreme court is saying states have the right to make changes even if it disproportionately impacts people in certain communities like the black community or like brown communities. and because of that, that

intensified our desire to really put pressure on the senate and the congress to deal with voting. we wanted to meet with the president and vice president and the president invited us in from eight national civil rights organizations to talk about what the white house was going to do and what we had to say. it was scheduled for an hour. it went almost two hours. we told them, frankly, they need to use their bully pulpit. they need to use whatever means they have to get the democrats and some republicans in congress, in the senate particularly, to deal with the senate bill one and to deal with the john lewis bill. but at the same time we wanted them to know we were going to start and we have started rallies and marches all over the country. it will culminate with a march in washington august 28th right before the senate comes back from their summer break when they go. it is nonnegotiable to us to allow this congress and this senate to sit by and watch the

supreme court return us back to the days where states' rights would rule how we have elections in this country, and the fact that it disproportionately impacts people of color is disregarded. that will not stand. >> how important is it, rev, that the democrats move now and does the president understand how important that is, the timing of this? >> i think it is imperative they move now. i think that time is of the essence. we are moving quickly toward the mid-term elections. there are local elections going on all over the country this november. many are doing primaries or have just concluded primaries. and when you see what texas is doing, florida has already done changes, georgia has already done changes, people are moving on the ground. latosha brown and others, melanie campbell and the black women's round table, we are moving in conjunction, many of us, the national action network,

the martin luther king iii's group, to me nationally, because we cannot risk their moving this dime of the voting rights that was guaranteed after the '60s. after the '65 voting rights act that was damaged in 2013 with shelby versus holder, that now has come into almost irreparable harm with section two. so time is not something that we have, and we wanted to put the president on alert on that. you must remember that the voting rights act did not come from lyndon johnson down. it came from the fights in selma, alabama, up, and that's what we intend to do to make shup that this country stands for the right for people to use their vote. democracy is at stake here. >> reverend al sharp ton, thank you. you can catch the rev coming up at 5:00 p.m. eastern on "politicsnation" right after this show, right here, of

course, on msnbc. so we are watching some live pictures right now and keeping an eye on the 75th anniversary celebration for former president carter and his wife, former first lady rosalyn carter, in plains, georgia, at the plains high school there. a major celebration with a lot of notables, i should say. from our understanding, we haven't necessarily seen the former president as of yet, but from what we know, former president bill clinton along with former secretary of state hillary clinton will be in attendance along with house speaker nancy pelosi. paula dean will be there, garth brooks as well. a lot of folks there to celebrate the 75th anniversary of former president carter and rosalynn carter. if things develop we will bring it to you once again. coming up, hear what caitlyn jenner had to say about her place in the republican party. first, four years after the

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three controversial monuments today following a years' long effort to have them removed. they depicted generals stonewall jackson and robert e. lee and early colonizers lewis and clark. those are expected to be stored in a secure location until the city council decides what to do with them. four years ago back in 2017 the robert e. lee statue was at the center of a deadly riot after white supremacists descended on charlottesville in protest of its planned removal. before that zyahna bryant began campaigning to have the statue removed in 2016 when she was in high school. now as a college student she is seeing the results of her hard work and hopes other young people will be inspired to spark change as well. zyahna is joining me now. zyahna, great to see you. thank you so much for joining us on this. what does it feel like to see the fruits of your labor, all of the hard work you have put in to make sure these statues are

removed? >> so i think, first, it has been very -- it has been an overwhelming feeling. it almost feels surreal to see the statues coming down. we have been fighting this battle to get them down for over five years at this point, and today, as i stood with the mayor in the center of market street park, we were a few feet away from where i introduced a petition in 2016 at a ninth grader at charlottesville high school. so to be back in that place and to see a crane next to the statue preparing to take it down, it was a really good feeling. i was happy to see many of the activists who were on the ground in 2017 present as well. >> zyahna, why were you so inspired to make sure these statues come down? >> yeah. so, i originally wrote a paper about something i could change in high school, and it was about the statue.

i did my own research. i figured out who put it up, why they put it up. what i came to realize was that the man who, you know, donated the statue to the city did so with the intention of making what is now market street park a whites-only space. with all of that information in mind and knowing that by looking at the statue you do not see that the confederacy lost. you see a romanticized version of the lost-cause narrative that puts him up on a pedestal. so i wanted to make sure that we changed that. i wanted to open up this public space to people in our community who have been traditionally left out and marginalized. >> i just want to read a little bit from what the mayor of charlottesville said when that statue was removed. taking down the statue is one small step closer to the goal of helping charlottesville, virginia, and america grapple with the inof being willing to destroy black americans for

gain. one small step. what needs to be done? >> i think we need to keep in mind these statues reflect a long history of repression, bondage, eugenics and enslavement. here in charlottesville there's a long history of that and at the university where i currently study. i ink it is important to have those conversations while talking about the fact we have an affordable housing crisis. we have conversations and we have issues around policing. we have issues of access for students of color to post-secondary opportunities. so i think that we need to remember that these statues are only the tip of the iceberg, and removing them is only an empty gesture unless it is met with the systemic and institutional change that needs to take place. >> zyahna bryant, thank you. thank you for joining us. as we're watching the carter anniversary celebration in plains, georgia, everybody, i

believe i see president carter speaking now alongside his bride for the last 75 years, rosalynn carter. let's take a listen to what they're saying. >> well, i have to say something about my husband. after all, today is a celebration for our marriage, and i did a lot of interviews recently and every question was, how did you live with that man so long. that was not really the question. that was one that my friend made up, but she was teasing me. but it has been a really wonderful 75 years. 75 years, right?

when i was growing up, high school, college, i didn't think i would ever get married. i didn't -- i didn't like boys. it was boys back then because it was that period. but i didn't know how to talk to them. i didn't want to go out with them. i used to tell my mother when the phone rang to tell whoever it was, tell them i wasn't at home, and i wasn't. i was always out the door and down the street. then along came jimmy carter and my life has been an adventure ever since. thank you. i love you. >> former first lady rosalynn speaking about her 75 years of being married to the former president, jimmy carter, as they celebrate in plains, georgia, at plains high school with many notables attending this

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right now thousands of conservatives have made their way to dallas, texas, for cpac's latest event, american uncancelled. some of the big conservative voices speaking at the event include former president donald trump, south dakota governor christie nome. one not speaking but in attendance is gubernatorial candidate caitlyn jenner. nbc's ali got to speak with her about what she feels is her place inside the republican party. >> i think it is one of the problems the republican party

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them being skeptical he will crack down in the wake of attacks. one staffer going as far as he is not going to, he is wreaking havoc. this as a meeting on ransomware attack is scheduled for next week. clint walk. clint is an msnbc national security analyst. welcome to you both. daniel, let me start with you on this one. i first want to kind of get your understanding from your reporting of the phone call between the russian president and president biden. >> yes. so they don't give a full read out in terms of what actually was said. it is more kind of broad brush strokes. but biden said after that he was optimistic that they would crack down. but as his own staffers there, you know, this is something that they're very skeptical about,

because we have to understand that these hackers often work hand in hand with the russian government. so it is not like the russian government doesn't get benefits from their work. so they're kind of allowed to profit off the side in terms of these ransomware attacks, and then they focus on more strategic targets as well for the russian government. so it is hard to imagine that the russian government is going to tell their own people, hey, you know, stop doing this. >> so, clint, take it and run with it. what incentive does vladimir putin have to step in here? >> none. it is all upside, yasmin. i mean this has been going on since the late 2000s. i remember discussions about this with russian cyber criminals in eastern europe as well, what should we do about them. and it always comes back to two things. they talk about diplomacy and sanctions. neither of those have worked for the last decade. it was surprising, i thought, three weeks ago during the

biden/putin summit that this topic came up, they walked away and thought it would do something because immediately we saw more ransomware attacks. immediately we saw russian intelligence agencies hacking in, attempting to get into the republican national committee. so toss not a deterrent. he has no reason really to stop what he is doing because he is suffering no cost. establishing deterrence in cyber space means you have to give some sort of a cost to your adversary so they'll quit doing it. i really don't see vladimir putin backing down at all or stopping at any point until he knows what the line is that the u.s. will defend, and right now i don't think anyone knows what that line really will come down to. >> daniel, do you know what the line is at this point coming out of the biden administration, how far they're willing to go? >> well, they don't want to have the same exact red line that they did, or a similar one they did with syria, because obama

administration did not follow that. but i think another -- another major attack like the colonial oil pipeline, a similar one which wreaked havoc across much of the east coast, if they did that again or you had major banks just were not able to work for a couple of days, i think that is a red line in turn. i'm sure they've told the russians, hey, if you cross that, there's going to be hell to pay. >> what should the hell to pay be, clint watts? >> i think narrowly, yasmin, they need to go after the russian criminal underground and target that first. i think that's probably where their strategy will rest. essentially, the debate has always been about cyber sovereigty. you know, we always talk about national sovereigty, but we also say, okay, the infrastructure, all of that essentially is part, the cyber infrastructure is part of that country as well. so going into russian networks to go after those russian cyber

criminal syndicates i think probably is the next step should one of the large shutdowns occur. the problem with all of this that we should note though is much of the infrastructure that they use, much of the internet that they use to conduct attacks against america doesn't always reside inside russia. it could rely on third country essentially infrastructure. it is difficult to plan it off and the thing that complicates it is the ripple effects. we just don't know what the ripple effects are oftentimes. this started back with stucks net attack, if you remember that a decade ago, the ripple effects can be devastating. it is difficult to work out what the effects might be and what the collateral damage might be to other countries as well. >> hey, clint, let me ask you a naive question because i don't necessarily know a lot about cybersecurity, especially with the type of infrastructure we have involving cybersecurity in this country. but do we even have the capacity to protect ourselves against these attacks? we've been seeing them hang so fast and furiously over the last

couple of months, so you can't help but wonder, can we even stop them? >> no, yasmin. i think that's part of it. we have more what they would call end points. we have more pieces of equipment, more pieces of electronics. all of our world right now is tied up into the internet, and it is insecure in so many different ways. it was about four years ago i was at the aspen security forum and we were talking about this exact topic. it was tom bossert then, he was part of the trump administration at the time, and basically he said, you know, we protect dot-gov but we can't protect dot-com. it is too big, we don't have the resources. there's always a gap somewhere. if you are the russians and you have all day to hack, you will find that gap and exploit it. >> thank you, guys. appreciate it. still ahead, everybody, post-pandemic travel. a security scare at one american airport as travelers returned to the air. we are live on the ground at what is being done to keep

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welcome back, everybody. we are following breaking news out of ft. lauderdale, presidentialful, this afternoon. two terminals at ft. lauderdale international airport have reopened after being unexpectedly evacuated earlier in the day. the broward sheriff's office says at 8:49 this morning they were notified of a bomb threat at the airport and deputies evacuated two terminals. nbc's vaughn hillyard is there on the ground for us. good to see you this afternoon. the terminals have now since been cleared and reopened, but the investigation continuing. what do we know so far? >> reporter: yeah, yasmin, that's right. we had a bottle neck situation here where over the course of more than four hours traffic out here coming to a standstill, a standstill as thousands inside were evacuated from their gates to plane, removed from the airport here, over an investigation when the bomb

squad was called here to the scene. this is still an active ongoing investigation, though the situation has now cleared. but here, this is one of the busier airports here in the country here in ft. lauderdale. what you saw were thousands of individuals evacuated. we talked to two young girls trying to make their way over to georgia for summer camp here, and they were among those thousands who missed their flight here, questioning whether they will be getting out here. you know, up and down here in the street there were folks jumping out of their ubers, out of their vehicles. >> i believe we lost his shot. if we get him back, we will bring him to you, but obviously the situation at the ft. lauderdale airport now safe and secure as they do continue the investigation there because of the events this morning. thank you to vaughn for now for that. a short time ago new numbers out that are showing the death toll on the rise once again in

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welcome back. moments ago the white house weighing in on the removal of confederate statues in charlottesville today saying, quote, as president biden has said -- and the quote goes on -- there's a difference between reminders and remembrances of history. the president believes that monuments to confederate leaders belong in museums, not public places, and welcomed the removal of statues today . if this weekend's cpac event is any indication, trump's romance with the republican party is far from over. the former president is doing just about anything these days to grab headlines and motivate his base, even launching lawsuits against big tech that legal experts have called frivolous and destined to fail. that's where we start with former congresswoman donna edwards and msnbc political analyst susan del percio. i want to start first, ladies,

with that lawsuit. congresswoman, i'll start with you on this one. because this lawsuit in a way it's now being shaped as a fundraising mechanism, not by encouraging the support of donald trump to join this lawsuit, but instead to donate money to the america first policy institute, which we all know is a conservative nonprofit headed by former trump administration official brook rollins. >> the president is continuing to spread falsehoods and he's actually using this lawsuit in a way both to raise money, but also to keep himself in the public light. and i do think there are issues around what needs to happen with big tech. they don't really have anything to do with donald trump. >> what do you make of the relationship the former president has with the florida governor ron desantis? there's an important "vanity

fair" piece talking about the relationship between these two men is actually waning, and that trump has been telling people, acquit quote, i made ron. trump says that a lot about people, but in this case it's actually true. do you think trump is threatened by ron desantis? >> absolutely, especially in florida. it's summertime now, so the former president's in new jersey. but when he's down in florida, it is a big threat. what was so interesting was last week seeing donald trump have a woe-is-me rally while ron desantis was at the site consoling families and working with the president -- i'm sorry, i just lost the name of the site where the condo came down. >> the champlain towers in surfside. >> thank you, thank you. so that happened. and so the governor was looking like he was doing something very

important, whereas the president was just kind of saying woe is me and playing his old tunes to an audience that is happen to hear it. but i don't know if they really want to see him in 2024. >> congresswoman, weigh in for me on that because there was this kind of dual fixture happening. governor ron desantis was initially supposed attend and then after the collapse of the condo building with all these people missing and now all of these people dead saying that he wasn't necessarily going to go there and instead he had to remain at the site of the collapse, right? there's this dual story going on between these two gentlemen. do you think this is going to start to chip away at the support that we have seen so steadfastly of this former president for so long? because some of the actions he's taken, especially on that condo collapse in a state like florida

that has been behind him. >> i think that's really hard to know at this point. i mean, what you have is a president who has a core base that has largely remained with him, and the problem for desantis and holly and all of these other characters is that they don't have enough gravitas with the base to begin to pull them away. that may change over the next several months, but it hasn't changed yet. >> let's talk about the january 6th committee here politico reporting they are crafted as borrowing verbal attacks than making cases against top democratic oversight. what do you think is happening behind closed doors in making

arguments for who's going to be there? >> i think right now the minority leader's concerned about what will ruffle trump's feathers the most . if he puts someone capable on the panel or doesn't put a gaetz or trump promoter on that panel. that's what it comes down to. either way, unfortunately, the republicans are going to make this all political. they are not going to go in with good intentions with the exception, of course, of liz cheney who was the speaker's pick. but i think this comes down to -- i wouldn't be surprised if they're running it by trump's people to see who's acceptable and who's not. >> do you think at all the january 6th panel, congresswoman, is going to chip away at the president's support, the former president, excuse me, support? >> no. we have a large swath of the country that actually wants to know what happened before, during, and after january 6th, and i think that they're going

to look at this fact-finding mission. it's just really hard to see how anyone or anything breaks that core away from trump. i think we haven't seen that yet and i'm not really sure that the january 6th commission will do anything in that regard. but what it will do is it will put republicans in congress in the house and senate in a real bind. either they're going to be defending and supporting law enforcement and the search for the truth, or they're going to be supporting a bunch of insurrectionists. they have to make that decision. >> susan del percio, last question to you is, how contentious do you expect this january 6th panel to actually get, especially if they call the former president to testify? >> it could turn very contentious. i don't think they will call the former president to testify because i think that would be too much of a circus and that the democrats are too smart for that trap.

>> susan del percio, former congresswoman donna edwards, thank you both. very much appreciate it. that wraps it up for me. i'm yasmin vossoughian. "politicsnation" with the reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening and welcome to "politicsnation." tonight's lede, the summer of our discontent. right now i'm still reflecting on something that president biden told me this week when i and other legacy civil rights leaders sat down with him and vice president harris at the white house to address the national right-wing assault on our voting rights. he said that action is coming, and i take him at his word, heartened that will travel to philadelphia next week to address