>> i hope that people will not comply by any means necessary. >> america, we're in this together. >> they shouldn't get the shot. >> i guess they were before it before they were against it. a confusing message at a time when health experts are urging americans to get vaccinated and save lives. that does it for me. "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. joy -- >> it is very strange. in rappers today, it's just you. what you were saying was giving me jonestown vibes. it's very strange how they seem to be courting and inviting death among their own followers. very odd stuff but thank you for covering it and have a great evening. >> thanks, joy. we begin "the reidout" with texas democrats taking a major stand for voting rights. for the second time this year, the democratic house members walked out of the capitol and left the state in protest over republicans' draconian efforts to pass voter suppression laws during their legislative suppression session.

the texas democrats plan to spend their time here in the nation's capital instead pushing for federal voting legislation to protect voters. it is a dramatic yet effective move that the national democratic party would do well to try and pay attention to, seeing as they only have a few more weeks until the senate goes on a month-long recession taking what could be america's last chance to salvage free and fair elections with them. in a statement, the texas house democrats said, quote, we are living on borrowed time in texas. we need congress to act now to pass the for the people act and the john lewis voting rights act to protect texans, and all americans, from the trump republicans' nationwide war on democracy. the lawmakers risk being arrested. absent lawmakers can be legally compelled to return to the state capitol. to that end the texas republican speak said, quote, the texas house will use every available resource under the texas constitution to secure a quorum. democrats are protesting two bills, one in the house and one

in the senate. they include a ban on drive-through voting and 24-hour voting, new i.d. requirements for mail-in ballots, a ban on distributing unsolicited mail-in ballot applications and a limit on voter assistance that could make it harder for voters with disabilities to vote. the democrats' walkout in may was successful in killing a provision that would limit sunday voting, a day when many black congregations encourage members to take their souls to the polls after church. both bills advance through committee on sunday after 24 hours of testimony and debate with many texans waiting hours, hours to testify. >> texas has a long and ugly and racist history of voter suppression that continues to silence the many votes and voices of everyday texans. >> sb-1 continues to be nothing but an attack on texans' voting rights under the guys of preserving election integrity.

nothing but a way to silence the black, brown and young voices that showed up to vote in record numbers last fall. >> the way this reads is voter suppression because it does not accommodate for my disability. >> as texas house democratic chair chris turner aptly said, you just can't make this up. republicans are passing anti-voter legislation overnight to prohibit texans from casting a ballot overnight. and while republicans claim they're fighting for so-called election integrity, the author of the bill admitted during his this weekend's hearing that he didn't know of any voter fraud that happened in 2020. >> i know that we heard testimony that there was difficulty getting election workers and poll watchers, but i don't know about evidence of fraud. that's pretty recent election. >> joining me now is former hud secretary julian castro who is now an msnbc political analyst and texas state representative john bussey iii who joins me by

third. i first want to welcome you to the msnbc family. i still want to call you secretary castro. >> great to be with you joy. >> let's talk about this. in 2020 you saw the highest voter turnout i think in nearly 30 years in texas. >> yeah, it was amazing. >> it was a successful election. >> absolutely. >> what do you ascribe this zeal on the part of republicans to make it harder to vote to? >> they see texas is changing. it's the fear of the future. the demographic change all of us have heard about over the years. the fact in 2018 they lost 12 house seats, two senate seats. they see what's happening in harris county. they're afraid of black and brown communities voting at record levels and they want to engage in this voter suppression point shaving system, whether it's banning drive-through voting or 24-hour voting or other ways to expand the franchise. they're carrying out the big lie of donald trump. >> yeah. representative bussey, you would all have to stay out, there's

more than 50 of you. i think 51 of you got on planes and headed out, i know that you are driving out of texas. y'all would have to stay out for about 30 days throughout the whole special session in order to deny a quorum. is that the plan? is the plan to stay out of the state for 30 days? >> it absolutely is. we're committed to being gone as long as it takes. that's in fact why i drove. we wanted my family to come with me, which i think shows the commitment that we're making. we're going to be in d.c. and putting pressure on congress to act and we need them to act. it's not just texas, it's happening all over the south. it's time for congress to pass the for the people act and john lewis voting rights act. >> can you confirm that one of the reasons that you all are not going to, for instance, west virginia or arizona where you could in theory put a lot of pressure in person on the senators, even though they're in washington right now, concerns about the governors there, republican governors forcing you all back to texas? >> that's been a part of our conversations. we are concerned that that would happen. you know, there's a concerted

effort to promote donald trump's big lie and pass legislation and these states -- we're seeing it happen all over here. so you never know what they'll do next when it comes to any means necessary to bring us back to pass these bills that will hurt access to the ballot box. >> let me play texas governor abbott. this is him explaining why he would like to see drive-through voting banned. >> with regard to the drive-through voting, listen, this violates the fundamentals of the way that voting integrity has always been achieved and that is the sanctity of the ballot box. if you do drive-through voting, you're going to have people in the car with you and it could be somebody from your employ or somebody else who may have a coercive effect on the way that you would cast your ballot. >> have you ever heard of anything like that? somebody being in the car to do what? let me ask representative bucy and then julian castro. >> no, of course not.

they're making up excuses. we saw in testimony over the weekend that harris county, more women chose to use drive-through voting. this is an attack on women and on black and brown communities. they're trying to make access to the ballot box harder so they can hold on to the power that they have and that's exactly what secretary castro was talking about. >> you worked as hud secretary, so you dealt with a lot of urban communities. places like harris county that is huge, has houston in it. they're talking about putting one ballot drop box there. >> absolutely ridiculous. one drop box for a county that has 4 million or 5 million people and you might have a county that has 10,000. one drop box each. what they're trying to do is to make it as hard as possible for especially black and brown communities and also people with disabilities, for instance, many senior citizens as well to vote. and i think that governor abbott also is worried about his potential primary challenge.

>> sure. >> he has two challengers. all of a sudden he's donald trump incarnate and is carrying out this big lie. fortunately, we have legislators who are willing to use every tool in the toolbox. i hope that's going to inspire some of the folks here in d.c. >> it would be helpful. representative bucy, the thing that's impressive about what you all are doing is showing some guts and some strategery. are you concerned about literally leaving your state and risking arrest is not reflected at this moment among democrats in washington? >> the time is running out and it needs to happen quickly. we've been encouraged by some things we've heard from congress, but, you know, we haven't seen the action and that's why we're coming back. we've had a delegation up here, we're coming back to keep the pressure on. we need everyone, whether it's in the press or constituents all across this country that believe in this country and believe in our democracy to keep that

pressure on as well. >> what would you say if you could get manchin and sinema on the phone and get a meeting with them? >> i think first we would just explain the stories we are hear in 24-hour testimony from constituents who will have a harder time casting their ballot. we want to share those stories with them and impress upon them in texas and certain states, texas being the hardest state to vote, this is a dire need. there is no more time to wait and we want to help share that story with them and i believe that they're going to come around and we'll get this done. >> democracy matters. julian castro, texas state representative john bucy, thank you very much. thank you very much, and again welcome. i'm joined by sherilyn ifill. if democrats fail to pass federal voting rights legislation to protect the rights of people in this state, you heard what they're doing in

texas, what happens? >> democracy is very much in peril, joy. i'm not exaggerating. so we have lost key tools that we had under the voting rights act, first section 5 in 2013. last week the supreme court weakened the litigation tool we have, section 2. and that means that we have less ability to challenge the discriminatory voter suppression laws passing at the state level. we of course are suing georgia, we are suing florida. we'll see what happens in texas. these laws are popping up all over the country, so we are playing whack-a-mole with litigation. it's not going to be possible. litigation, as we know, is slow and expensive. and frankly, it's not going to be concluded, certainly not in time for the 2022 primary elections. but more importantly, it's really about democracy. we essentially have elected

officials around the country who are engaged in a concerted effort to try to keep members of the population, citizens, from voting. and particularly black and brown citizens. i know we all talk about this as partisan, i know we talk about democrats and republicans. but who are the voters being targeted? the voters being targeted are black voters, brown voters, elderly voters, disabled voters. that's what we see happening. and that conduct is illegal. it violates federal law. but it's happening at such a quick pace and it's happening in so many states that it will be very difficult to stop it unless we get federal legislation and congress steps up and plays the role that the framers of the 14th and 15th amendments to the constitution thought congress should hold. they thought they should have the power to enforce the provisions of the 14th and 15th

amendment. equal protection of laws. and to be free to vote without discrimination based on race or color. it's congress' job to protect that right. >> are you concerned, as i am, and not being obviously a lawyer or legal scholar at all, i read through just as a layperson the kavanaugh decision, the most recent decision, which leads me to believe that they are going to a plessie versus ferguson model that if it's just inconvenient, it's not discrimination. if it's just based on partisanship and trying to prevent the people from the other party from voting, it's not discrimination. the mere inconvenience, there's nothing wrong with it. this worries me because i feel like some states could do bubbles on a bar of soap. i worry that the courts won't be a readout for you all even if

you get through the courts. >> well, the decision was a pretty astonishing one. the idea of the supreme court essentially countermanding congress and almost kind of writing their own statute, there's nothing about the bernovich decision that is grounded in the text of the voting rights act, of section 2 as it was amended in 1982. the senate report factors that have been the way of litigating these cases since then have essentially been brushed aside, according to justice alito, who suggested these are just suggestions but no doubt suggestions that he knows district courts will take quite seriously. he creates his own factors, just made up out of whole cloth. what really is disturbing is that congress anticipated this when they amended the voting rights act. they understood the need to try to get at future discrimination

that they hadn't even anticipated yet, and they tried to compel those who are challenging discriminatory laws to engage in a searching practical evaluation of the local political, social and economic reality. that's what you're supposed to do in this litigation. you're not supposed to have justice alito simply say, well, if there are perhaps economic differences that may account for why different people have different access to the ballot, but what can we do about that? congress was very clear. so this is a usurpation of congress' authority under -- to write the words of the voting rights act and have those words mean what they say, which some members of this court claim is what they live by, the text. this is not a textual decision. moreover it's a usurpation of congress' authority under the 13th and 14th amendment to

enforce those critical constitutional provisions. we are in a battle, a democratic battle. this is not the first time, though. the supreme court overstepped in 1980 in mobile versus bolden and that's why congress had to amend section 2 of the voting rights act. so they let it sit after shelby county versus holder but now it's time to move. congress has to move forward, they have to move quickly and they have to move comprehensively to ensure that we protect american democracy. >> yeah, thank you very much for that great correction too. i meant alito, not kavanaugh. they're both so equally bad, it's hard to imagine which is worse. thank you for fighting the good fight. up next on "the reidout" as the suppression session continues in texas, the state's republican attorney general is trying to instill fear into black voters setting high bail and the potential of 40 years in prison, 40 years, for 62-year-old hervis rogers who waited more than six hours to

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a houston voter has become the face of texas voter suppression tactics. as communities across the state endured ridiculously long voter lines last year on primary day, super tuesday, especially in diverse harris county, home to houston, hervis rogers went viral for waiting more than six hours to vote at an historically black college in the city. he spoke to reporters on his way out. >> i want to get my vote in to voice my opinion, and i wasn't going to let nothing stop me so

i waited it out. it's like the way it was going, it was set up for me to walk away. >> he's a great example of a person exercising his civic duty by any means necessary. now texas attorney general ken paxton who is being investigated by the state bar for his role in pushing the big lie with his lawsuit against four battleground states to try and overturn the election, that ken paxton, had hervis rogers arrested and is prosecuting him forecasting his ballot. rogers is charged with two counts of knowingly voting illegally, second-degree felonies with a possible sentence of 20 years in prison on each counting. his bail was set at a staggering $100,000. when he voted, rogers was a few months shy of the end of his parole for a burglary conviction in the 1990s. under texas lot formerly incarcerated are prohibited from voting until their parole ends. but rogers' attorney from the

aclu of texas says he didn't know that he was ineligible to vote. the nonprofit bail project put up the $100,000 to bail him out, but he now faces the possibility of decades in prison for voting as opposed to, say, five years probation that a pennsylvania man received for admittedly voting for the disgraced former president using his dead mother's name. ken paxton defended rogers' arrest in a tweet claiming i prosecute voter fraud everywhere we finding it. but paxton seems to only find it in certain communities. a recent study found that nearly three-quarters of paxton's voter fraud prosecutions have been brought against black and latino defendants, because of course. joining me now is andre segora, lawyer for the texas aclu. this case is shocking and horrifying but let's clarify a couple of things. hervis rogers, to me it seems like if he was admittedly and knowingly breaking the law and voting illegally wouldn't have

given a tv interview. so your thoughts? >> that's right. he certainly wouldn't have waited over six hours to vote. he was the last one in line. he might have been the last one in the entire state of texas to vote. just studying back, we often talk about suppression of voting rights in hypotheticals, but what's happening to mr. rogers is real and it should cause alarm to all of us. he really thought he was doing the right thing, trying to get out there and fulfill his civic duty, as you saw in that wonderful video of him. and now instead almost a year and a half later, he's arrested by undercover officers outside of his home in houston, taken to a jail an hour north from his house, put a bail amount of $100,000, an amount that most people, certainly mr. rogers, couldn't afford, and was held there for four days, not knowing what was going to happen to him. and for what? at worst, an innocent mistake. and what we know is that he truly believed that he was doing the right thing.

so this should really cause concern to all of us. >> this feels very jim crow to be honest to you, percent can you get this man, picking this black man who made a high-profile case for himself on television on why it's so important to vote and having put his life back together. even the fact that he's being prosecuted in montgomery county, which is not the county where he actually lives, explain how it is legal to move him to a different county which presumably is a more red, conservative, white county. >> well, the legality of that is something that we'll be reviewing closely. current state law allows the attorney general to bring prosecution in a neighboring county or in the austin area. but of course it's odd that he's not being prosecuted in the county in which he voted or in the county in which he lives. just to make this real, he has to now go up frequently an hour north when he has no car, no way of getting up. this is hard for anyone. it's an inconvenience.

it certainly raises speculation as to why this is happening there. >> this case reminds me very much of the crystal mason case in which the book was also thrown at this young woman who voted. she cast a provisional ballot. she got five years in prison. this feels like black texans and brown texans are having the book thrown at them by prosecutors like mr. paxton to send a message. would i be wrong in viewing it that way? to send a message to other black voters. >> you've seen a pattern by attorney general paxton and his office of trying to make a case for widespread voter fraud when we know that's not real. and so this is part and parcel of that. he's focusing his resources, which we think is a complete waste of resources. we represent miss mason as well. the same issue there is the issue here. two people who believed they were honestly doing the right thing. no one would risk their livelihood, that of their

family's, to go vote and no one should have to. we should make voting safe and easy. right now we have texas legislators trying to make voting scarier and riskier for texans and really trying to intimidate people from going to the polls and expressing their voice. >> for ken paxton to be the person doing this, the fbi on allegations of bribery and abuse of his office. the associated press reports that the fbi is investigating him for apparently using his office to benefit a big donor. he was seeking a pardon from donald trump for that. do you believe that what ken paxton is doing is about politics or is it simply straight up about just intimidating black and brown voters jim crow style or is it a combination? >> yeah, what i can say is we have a long history of pushing back on paxton's efforts to politicize events, from trying to overturn the 2020 election in six states other than texas,

whether it's attacking biden's -- president biden's attempt to roll back some of trump's anti-immigrant policies, attacking voting rights. every step he has used his office for his political motivations and that's something that we have fought back against. now, in this case we think that this is a complete injustice. anyone who hears about this case is sympathetic to it. whoever needs mr. rogers, he's a wonderful man, as well as miss mason, will realize this is just wrong. mr. rogers and miss mason are not the poster child that ken paxton is looking for. we really hope that justice will prevail here and cooler heads because we have a man's liberty on the line here. >> crystal mason, hervis rogers, please remember their names, america. these two people are trying to do their civic duty which is what we want americans to do. by the way, these laws against being able to vote because you

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after their failed effort to cancel the results of the 2020 election, trump's legal team is now facing legal jeopardy of their own. a federal judge in michigan is currently weighing sanctions for several of trump's lawyers, including sydney powell and lin wood in what could only be described as a highly frivolous legal challenge. their suit was so laughable it was dismissed as nothing but speculation and conjecture. now in a hearing just today, the judge says the court is

concerned that affidavits included in the lawsuit were submitted in bad faith, suggesting she's likely to sanction them for their role in propagating the big lie. and yet the lunacy continues. the disgraced ex-president is openly endorsing the horror that transpired on january 6th. in a fox news interview, trump described the mob who attended his fateful rally that morning as great people, saying there was love in the air. of course this was the same mob who stormed the capitol in an attempt to overthrow the legitimate winner of the 2020 election and to hang mike pence. it's the same mob that attacked police in violence scenes like this one in which an insurrectionist can be seen using a flag pole as a weapon. it's among the new videos released by a judge today in the case of defendant michael perkins and here's a bit more.

all that love in the air. by praising many of those extremists, trump is condoning and promoting political violence as a means of putting himself back in power. conservative media is still amplifying that message, a message that's such a threat to our national security. the major social media firms consider it too dangerous to allow trump back onto their platforms leaving twitter, facebook and youtube to provide the only constraints on trump while he's free to keep radicalizing his followers on fox news and its sister platforms at his dangerous, absurd rallies. joining me is congressman pete aguilar of california. he's a member of the select committee to investigate january 6th. presumably, congressman, this is the stuff that needs to be gotten to the bottom of in this case. we've seen 6,000 grand jury subpoenas in this january 6th

investigation, and yet you still have trump out there inciting more violence. are you concerned that even as the investigation is going on, he's inciting round two? >> absolutely. and the rhetoric that he is spewing absolutely concerns me. but it won't deter us from our focus. our focus is to get to the truth of what happened on january 6th, irrespective of what the twice-impeached president wants. that's our charge, that's our mission, that's what the house resolution that we adopted says we should do, so we are going to do that. we're going to carry on. we're going to get as much information as we possibly can to tell about the events of the 6th, what led up to it and how we prevent these types of things from happening ever again. >> i mean it's an extraordinary list of people who have been charged. it's wild. let's talk about some of these conspiracy theories that are

still going on out there. at cpac this week there was a card that was distributed called a seven-point plan to reinstate donald trump as president. i won't go through every line of it, but the basic bottom line is to try to get him installed as speaker of the house and use that to try to impeach the president and the vice president and move him back into the white house. i don't even know if that's something that can be investigated because it's not directly related to the sedition attempt on january 6th, but it is what motivated them. that's what they wanted to do. do you think that he, donald trump and anyone around him, should be part of the subpoena list to talk to them about whether or not that was his idea, to try to be pushed in by any means necessary? >> well, we're going to follow every available lead. so that means we're going to seek all of the available information. like you mentioned, the charging documents, the indictments, all

of the material that the department of justice has already, so that's where we can start because a lot of that information, the indictments are public -- in the public domain. so we will start there and chase every available lead. we're not going to be deterred from executing our goal, which is to find out what happened on the 6th. so we're not going to be sidetracked by political fantasyland of whatever the former president says. we're going to be focused on the goal. we're going to start next week, as chairman thompson mentioned, and we're going to start in earnest. >> the other thing that happened -- one of the other things that happened at the cpac is that the oath keepers leader was there, credentialed and walking around, schmoozing with republican politicians. are you concerned that some of your fellow members of congress on the republican side are in league with some of the very people who might wind up being called before this committee and that maybe some of these republican members who have relationships with people like

the oath keepers and with the proud boys and others themselves are going to need to be subpoenaed? and do you think that the committee will be willing to do that, to subpoena members? >> i'm concerned about the misinformation and the lies. and to the extent that some of our colleagues on the other side of the aisle have continued to fan those flames from after the election, just like the former president where they had a systemic plan to continue to fan those flames of disinformation, you know, that concerns me and that troubles me. if any of them had a hand in some of those external groups and organizations, we're going to want to know about it and we're going to look for every available piece of information that we can in order to help tell the story of what happened on january 6th and to make sure an assault on democracy, which is exactly what this insurrection was, never happens again. >> donald trump said in an interview that he gave on fox news with maria bartiromo that

impeaching him thought it would rein him in and it just made him worse. do you believe that he is dangerous? do you believe that he is inciting domestic terrorism just daily in his public appearances and speeches? >> absolutely. he proves that he was dangerous when he was in office. you know, now without some of those constraints, i think it's even more so. like you mentioned before, some of the social media companies even feel he is so dangerous that they have deplatformed him. so the fact that he's going to continue to try through every available tool, whether it's speaking at political conventions or giving interviews, that he's going to continue to fan these flames and to continue to perpetuate the big lie. it absolutely concerns us, because the hallmark of democracy is a peaceful transfer of power. and the former president was very clear that he did not believe in that. he ginned up his folks, asked

them to come to d.c. and people were injured, capitol police officers, 140 were injured, and five people lost their lives as a result of the events that happened on january 6th. >> a very quick hard turn here. the wildfire situation in your home state is pretty bad. house minority leader kevin mccarthy, is there any conversations with other california and western lawmakers, does he show any concern for trying to do something and have congress act on climate change? because it is affecting the state you two both represent. >> well, like you said, many of our colleagues don't believe in climate change, but many of them have and continue to advocate for the u.s. forest service to help play a role in responding to these federal disasters and these wildfires. so we're going to continue to do that and we're going to continue to respond hopefully in a bipartisan way. but let's be very clear that

climate change is real. climate change is happening. it's leading to a longer fire season, which is exactly what we're seeing. we're seeing those effects. it's costing taxpayers money. and we need to address it. there are concrete steps in order to address it. many of us on our side of the aisle have offered those steps, and we hope that the minority leader and others across the aisle will help work with us to address those steps. >> we are definitely thinking of your state and of the west. i know it's getting rough out there. yes, climate change is definitely well. congressman pete aguilar, thank you very much. cpac delivered an embarrassment of riches when it came to the absolute worst. tonight's pick is horrifying. first, anti-government protests in cuba as haiti faces a government crisis of its own in the wake of the assassination of its president. a lot coming up. stay with us.

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two nations not far from the u.s. are in crisis tonight. over the weekend in cuba, thousands of people took to the streets in havana and other cities demanding food, medicine and covid vaccines. it was an unprecedented and extraordinary scene with people demanding freedom and shouting "down with communism." the loudest cries were for the end of the dictatorship currently run by the president, the hand-picked successor of raul castro. the protesters were met with violence at the hands of cuba's special forces. today the president claimed the massive uprisings were the cumulative result of u.s. policies. roughly 700 miles away in port-au-prince, a florida-based doctor has been arrested under suspicion that he was one of the

plotters behind the assassination of the president moise. the arrest makes him the third haitian american to be arrested in the killing. "the miami herald" first broke the story. roughly two dozen have been arrested, including 18 colombian mercenaries. over the weekend the interim haitian government called on the u.s. for military assistance. a senior biden administration official told "the washington post" that the u.s. has no plans to do so at this time. earlier today a delegation of u.s. officials who traveled to haiti briefed president biden about the situation on the ground. for the latest on both situations, i'm joined by nora torres, who covers cuban and u.s. latin american policy for "the miami herald" and gary pierre pierre, founder of the haitian times. i want to start with you, nora. break down for me, because having been to cuba, i can tell you that it's surprising to see people so openly protesting. it is -- there is no doubt when you are in cuba that it is a very strictly enforced

authoritarian state with lots and lots of men with big, big guns watching folks all the time. talk about how this came about. >> yeah. this was really, you know, unprecedented but really not entirely surprising because the economic situation in the country has been deteriorating, you know, over three years and more dramatically in recent months. it's a combination of things including the dwindling economic aid coming from venezuela nicolas maduro's regime, the pandemic, and stronger u.s. sanctions. of course the economy is very inefficient and the government is in debt and has no money, so the population has been enduring severe scarcities of food and medicine. recently the government decided to sell food and that's a lot of

the anger and frustration that you see in these protests. >> i heard smbs say that covid has done what sanctions have not been able to do in 60 something years. the thing that cuba tends to pride itself on is its highly trained medical personnel. they're not paid a lot of money, like $40 a month to be a doctor. they're very highly trained and get a free education. is it surprising that covid and the inability to respond to the pandemic has been such a big part of moving people into the streets? >> well, you know, of course the pandemic came atop this situation i just described. but it was really, you know, i have to make sure that people understand that it was not only about covid and the pandemic. you know, you've seen the video circulating on social media, people asking for food, for medicine, for vaccines, but their loudest cries were really

calls about the dictatorship, shouts of down with the president and really calls for freedom. you could hear also many shouting a slogan against the government. and so really, yes, i think covid was a cause but it was a combination of things. this has been mounting for months. anthem. gary, let's talk about haiti foa a moment because this is a bizarre story. we have this assassination of president moise, and then you have these colombian mercenaries arrested and then there are these statements that, you know, sort of it seems like they were trying to blame the dea. it's been really messy. now, there's this word that haitian american has been arrested. what on earth is going on in haiti? >> well, joy, first of all, thanks for having me.

i think what we have watched, what we're seeing now is what america saw under the last guy who was president. it's complete -- i doubt every word coming out of the haitian government's mouths. there's no cooperation for anything they're releasing. they're just saying things just out of thin air. and i think we ought to be careful when reporting these as if they are facts. they're not. we have to be very skeptical. allegedly, supposedly, they claim. that's it, because it doesn't add up. you know, we had a story today in the haitiantimes.com, where we went and sort of debunk most of these theories one by one where they don't make sense since the beginning, since wednesday night when i got awoken at 4:00 in the morning to let me know that this had happened. it's been crazy. we have seen, you know, you

mentioned this whole thing. dea, and then it got more bizarre after that. and essentially, what's going on, someone backed this assassination. it wass botched badly. i don't think -- i don't know if that's what they wanted, that's how they wanted it to go down, but now they're trying to cover up their tracks. you know the old saying, the cover-up is worse than the crime. this crime ise very heinous. the man who was tortured before he was riddled with bullets, and now they're coming up with incredulous stories one after another. it's really kind of frustrating watching it because we have a hard time covering the story because we know this to be false. and sois we are trying to be vev careful. but listen, like i said, this is no different than what we went through in this country the last four and a half years or five years where you have an administration or a government bent on lying to the people. now, they try to spin it to the international community. and it's not going to work.

>> it is a lot going on in the caribbean right now, in the region, in our hemisphere and it's a lot that the biden administration is going to have to start paying attention to in both of these countries, two very, very important countries in our region. nora and gary, thank you both for helping us understand what's going on. st coming up, tonight's absolute worst would be hilarious if it weren't so horrifying. imagine, imagine cheering for something that puts your life and the lives of your loved ones at risk of dying. tonight's absolute worst is next. is next i'm searching for info on options trading, and look, it feels like i'm just wasting time. that's why td ameritrade designed a first-of-its-kind, personalized education center. oh. their award-winning content is tailored to fit your investing goals and interests. and it learns with you, so as you become smarter, so do its recommendations. so it's like my streaming service. well except now you're binge learning. see how you can become a smarter investor with a personalized education from td ameritrade. visit tdameritrade.com/learn

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vaccines are bad. >> clearly, they were hoping, the government was hoping that they could sort of sucker 90% of the population into getting vaccinated, and it isn't happening. right? there's -- younger people are well aware of what the risks really are. >> that, by the way, was anti-vaccination advocate alex berenson, who the atlantic has dubbed the pandemic's wrongest man. and those cheers you heard, dr. anthony fauci called them horrifying and almost frightening. that's because they are. dr. fauci was also targeted by congresswoman lauren boebert. >> don't come knocking on my door with your fauci ouchy. you leave us the hell alone. >> yes, yes, guns and the zoom background lady. now do measles vaccines? no, you don't want to do that? this war against the covid vaccine isn't just a war against science. it's a war against phublic

health. that thing that insures safety across populations. things like food hygiene and clean water and seat belts and vaccines. the polio vaccine became available in 1955, americans literally celebrated in the streets. there was, of course, no fox news back then. no tuckers and lauras smearing the idea of getting vaccinated even after they boss got the shot before most people could. there was also no cpac fueling a staggering political divide on who is vaccinated and who is not. even as the delta variant and other mutations fuel outbreaks in red states and among the young. the word dystopia doesn't even cut it because at least in that context, people are trying to survive. this feels like conservatives are willing to die to own the libs for their political jim jones donald trump. what's a deadly airborne virus when you have power to seize for politicians who won't even send you a relief check or get you a bridge or wi-fi or fund your local police department, because they couldn't give a damn about you. go team. which is why the nihilistic

death cult is tonight's absolute worst, and maybe the whole era's absolute worst. that's tonight's "reidout." "all in with chris hayes" starts 93. >> tonight, on "all in" -- >> we were getting ready to win this election. frankly, we did win this election. >> the inside story of what donald trump was willing to do to maintain power. tonight, michael c. bender on his new book, frankly, we did win this election. >> then, he was on the front lines during the attack on the capitol. now he's fighting for answers about the insurrection. my exclusive interview with d.c. police officer michael fanone. plus, texas democrats do it again. escaping austin to stop new voter restriction laws again. one of those democrats joins me live. >> and two decades later, how joe biden became the president who will end america's longest war. "all in" starts right now.