a moment you seize control. >> oh, my lord. that does it for us. stephanie ruhle picks up coverage right now. hi there, i am stephanie ruhle. it is thursday, july 22nd. we have so much to get to this morning. you better sit tight. starting with an alarming jump in covid cases. new infections tripled in the united states in the last two weeks. this thing is not behind us. the cdc says more than 97% of patients hospitalized and nearly 100% of those who die are unvaccinated as of this morning. 56% of americans have gotten at least one dose of the vaccine, 49% are fully vaccinated. at the same time, president biden is doubling down on dangers of misinformation and harmful role it is playing in vaccine hesitancy.

>> misinformation is going to kill people, not a joke. not a joke. it is like telling your kid i tell you what, when you see a red light, cross the street. i mean, come on. so what we're trying to do is use every avenue we can, public, private, government, nongovernment to try to get facts out. >> and right now in the nation's capitol, steve scalise, elise ste panic are joinings a new push to encourage people to get vaccinated. today's event is after months and months of republicans promoting vaccine hesitancy or ignoring those who did. in a new report it reveals part of the tragic toll the pandemic inflicted. more than 1.5 million kids around the world have lost a primary or second degree caregiver due to covid-19. think about that.

all who call this a hoax. here to make sense of all this, sasha burns in north carolina where new cases are surging. ben collins following the latest on the battle of misinformation, and dr. peter hotez with the vaccine for development. cases aren't just jumping up with adults, with kids, too, how bad is it? >> reporter: the numbers are concerning and shifting quickly here, compared to last week, this week north carolina saw a 32% increase in cases in children under the age of 14, to the point where now that age group makes up 15% of cases statewide. here in durham county, those under the age of 17 makeup a third of cases. those numbers come at a precarious time for schools as they're making back to school

plans. in durham they have kids in the classrooms, welcomed back year-round students monday. just yesterday, the governor made an announcement with guidance to school saying those in elementary school and middle school should be required to wear masks regardless of vaccination status. for high school students, should remove masks if they've been vaccinated. stephanie, durham public schools has taken it a step further, going to require masks for all schools, elementary, middle, high school. i spoke to the school district why they made the decision. take a listen. >> our younger students can't get vaccinated so of course we are continuing with masking. not every staff member will be vaccinated, not every older student will be vaccinated. and simpler to deal with the inconvenience of wearing a mask

than to try to identify how, whether every single person in the school is vaccinated. >> reporter: and stephanie, the vaccination rate among children that are eligible, 12 to 17-year-olds, is pretty low in the state at 24% fully vaccinated. a message from the district is that every 12-year-old that gets the vaccine is helping protect younger kids that can't. that's something they hope families will consider, stephanie. >> peter, in my house everyone that can be vaccinated is. but i have a child under 12. how do you protect them. >> it is really important to mask up whenever possible. particularly in schools. in the south where i am, the vaccination rates are ridiculously low. places like louisiana let fewer

than 15, 16% of vaccinated and 30 to 40% of young adults. that's why transmission is accelerating. you're seeing a massive surge as it goes from started in missouri to arkansas, louisiana, across to florida, up the eastern seaboard to the carolinas. you're seeing a giant circle form in the south which will be quickly filled in. and right now, if you have that level of defiance against vaccines from young adults and their kids, adolescent kids, the only thing we have to offer is to mask up. that's why that principal in durham is saying look, i am not going to spend hours and hours trying to see who is vaccinated and who is not. that's why you have to have a universal mask mandate and he is backed into that position and has no choice. >> we have been hearing from facebook and other platforms that they're working overtime, so they claim, to remove any

anti-vax misinformation on their platforms, but now the groups are using other methods to get information out there. what are they doing? >> true that facebook is working overtime to get overt anti-vax messages off the platform. anti-vaxxors have taken a play from extremists, using code words instead of the actual words. instead of pfizer, it is pizza. change groups to dance party, dinner party, swing club. >> hold on a second. >> yep, go ahead. >> and there are people out there who believe this is real news from groups that no longer call it moderna. >> they're getting away with something, part of a community of their own, they have their

own world and their own set of facts. a lot of people have been in the anti-vax community for decades. generally they have created communities that exist separately of traditional facebook moderation ecosystem. they get a kick out of the fact they are getting around the box. one of them was bragging about being name checked in the white house press conference, saying we are one of the groups that evaded this. good for us. these groups can have tens of thousands of followers, influencers, same deal. they're getting a kick out of the fact they're getting around this thing. >> peter, they love this. this is their signature. they don't want to be stamped out. what does the administration do besides standing at the press conference and warning of dangers of misinformation?

these people aren't watching, and if they are, they want to be name checked. they think it is funny. >> this has been enabled over the course of decades. unfortunately by health and human services agencies that said we can't talk about this, we'll give it oxygen, oblivious to the fact it has now accelerated and become a monster. what we have to do is while we have to amplify provaccine messages, recognize this is insufficient. we need more aggressive counter offensive. what i have done is identified three major actors, i have been going against these guys for decades. now they've separated the three major elements, that's the far right element of the republican party, that's what you hear at the cpac conference and from u.s. members of congress. number two are the center for countering digital hate,

incredible to have an organization like that, has identified the 12 leading offenders in terms of actively promoting disinformation. they need to be taken off internet or at least on social media sites, and then the russian government. the russian government is one of the largest promoters of anti-science, anti-vaccine disinformation. using this as a wedge issue to divide our country. the point is we can't leave it to the health sector. i recommended to the biden administration that you create an interagency task force that includes health and human services but recognize this is bigger and out of hand and need to bring in experts that fight things like terrorism and cyber attacks, nuclear proliferation, bring in people from state department, homeland security, commerce department. so far u.s. government has not been willing to recognize who

it is. masks, social distancing, and now vaccines, and anti-science is a major killer. >> ben, how are some far right groups that say it is political, refuse the vaccine, how are they responding to likes of sean hannity, urging people to get the vaccine, steve scalise, elise stefanik. >> a lot of these people, the doctrine is more important than the messenger. they think somebody has gotten to sean hannity or they parse words in his statement like maybe he didn't believe it this way, right? to them, it is more important to stick to the party line about how you can't trust the vaccine, you can't trust the government than identify specific people in the movement. sean hannity lost a lot of clout among the far right since donald trump left, he promised a lot of

indictments against hillary clinton and things like that. he promised justice was coming against those enemies and they never came. in the last nine or ten months, he has lost favor among that sort of part of the trump far right. look, they are trying desperately to find a messenger on tv that will be anti-vax in that movement. until this week, they had a lot of them, but seems like it is slipping away. >> trump far right, quick reminder, he is winking at you, he is vaccinated. so is his family. so are all those hosts on fox news. thank you all so much. investigating the insurrection has turned into a partisan battle before we get to the investigation. speaker pelosi rejected two republican picks to serve on the select committee investigating the attack, in response, kevin

mccarthy pulled back all his selections for the committee which has the first hearing scheduled tuesday. he vowed republicans would launch their own investigation. for more, bring in national political reporter and punch bowl news. how are members of the committee responding. get this kicked off tuesday. >> there has been a mix of reaction. democrats appeared to be supportive of speaker pelosi's decision, chair of the panel. they put out a statement praising her what he called decisive action, aimed at getting to the truth, getting to answers of what happened january 6th. democrats mostly don't see jim banks, jim jordan as good faith actors that wanted to get to the bottom of that. republicans blasted the speaker's decision of yet more evidence the investigation is a partisan sham. that's been the message from

kevin mccarthy, it was a message as he stood with jim jordan, jim banks when they took aim at the speaker's decision here. one notable exception on the republican side, liz cheney, appointment by speaker pelosi to the committee. she did not have words of support to say the least for kevin mccarthy. let's listen to what she said yesterday. >> the rhetoric we have heard from the minority leader is disingenuous. there must be an investigation that is nonpartisan, that is sober, that is serious, that gets to the facts wherever they may lead and at every opportunity the minority leader attempted to prevent the american people from understanding what happened, to block this investigation. >> reporter: as things look, stephanie, the committee does have a first hearing next tuesday. it is going to happen. eight democratic appoint east have a quorum with or without republicans. they'll hear from capitol police officers and metro police.

the fact liz cheney is on the panel, democrats will call it a bipartisan investigation, whether or not the republicans disagree with that. >> john, is pelosi's rejection what mccarthy wanted? again, we're not focused on january 6th, we are arguing politics. >> that was always going to be the case with the january select committee. i think there's an element of this gives mccarthy a talking point. he can say this is pelosi doing and the democrats doing whatever they want. but there's no two sides to this. this is not a normal issue. the way i see it at least. the january 6th was a deadly insurrection, attack on democracy. there's not like defense of january 6th. some ways, i think it is going to make it easier for democrats. they won't have jim jordan out

there talking about what did pelosi know the day of the attack. i think suddenly this may backfire on the republicans and also to his point, he talked about it, the cheney comments were she talked about mccarthy shouldn't be speaker, and i think she was one pushing pelosi not to appoint, to allow the two appointees, jim jordan, jim banks. we were surprised. we thought she was going to defer to mccarthy, she wouldn't like the picks, but she wouldn't reject them. but you know, she did. cheney played a big role in that. i don't think this committee will play the same way as benghazi and other issues. republicans have to defend

trump. he is the undercurrent of all this. i don't think it helps them not to be on the committee defending trump. >> they don't have to defend trump, they could defend justice, they could care about security, they could defend the capitol police officers. john, here's the thing. if this is where we are, besides getting important information, what actually comes out of hearings, what could the consequences be? >> well, that's very interesting question to ask. i don't know if we would see, i can't see like criminal referral to the justice department on trump. that's not going to happen. the former president, there's not going to be, he is not going to be charged with a crime, mark meadows not charged with a crime, not going to seek to have a justice department conduct a criminal investigation of the president. that's not going to happen. i do think it is vitally important that what happened

inside the west wing that day, inside the former president's inner circle, what happened that day gets out there. i think this will help. they're going to have subpoena power. they're going to be able to see if they can talk to witnesses here, maybe not trump but other witnesses, and i think they'll be able to layout a timeline for the american public about what happened. the other part of this is political. this means that because the republicans wouldn't go along with a bipartisan investigation, now this is going to drag on into 2022. democrats are going to push it midterm, trump is still the head of their party. democrats are going after trump. >> but let's talk about the midterms. is pelosi in a tough spot, this information is hugely important. when we're done with this segment, go to a grocery store in your town.

it is not a priority for a lot of voters. republicans want to ignore this and talk about inflation, which is what people are talking about around the dinner table every single night. how does pelosi balance this? >> reporter: that's an excellent question. there are two dimensions to this. the analysis, conclusions, decision making of the january 6th committee will be seen as partisan. that became true the moment the republicans blocked the independent commission. that will be true with or without jim banks and jim jordan on the committee. there's a significant swathe of the country that is not going to trust anything that comes out of them. but the committee has a fact finding mission, subpoena power. sometimes when you discover facts, they have a way of taking on a life of their own. think about the benghazi committee to use one example, it was seen by minority democratic party as a sham. but it discovered hillary clinton emails which changed the course of american history, changed trajectory arguably.

i think the fact that this committee will be able to find facts, that could lead to a place we don't know where it is going to go. it could be significant in the elections and for the future of the country, stephanie. >> thank you both so much. john, fyi, i think you don't actually practice baseball. that mitt ever moves. come on. my eye on the mitt. watch this. the three time paralympics quits even though she has a chance to win. the infrastructure bill in the senate, what's the path forward next. nate, what's the p forward next

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senate republicans hit the brakes on the infrastructure bill. a vote on the bipartisan legislation failed to reach the 60 votes. why is it called the bipartisan bill. in a joint statement, the bipartisan working group said they're optimistic they'll finalize, be prepared to advance

the proposal in the coming days. chuck schumer indicated he will try the procedural vote next week. i need someone to explain it. white house correspondent geoff bennett and lee ann caldwell. lee ann, 11 republicans that helped structure this voted against it. why did they vote against it, since they did, why is there any optimism? you don't vote for your own thing, come on? >> reporter: they're saying they voted against it because the legislative text was not complete, congressional budget office hasn't given financial analysis of the legislation. they said they're not willing to start the process. there is precedent here. recent precedent. go back to 2020 with the first major coronavirus relief bill. democrats voted to block moving on to the legislation twice. ultimately, the big covid relief

bill passed. this is not something that's unusual up here on capitol hill, this was a procedural vote. times of the essence. democrats have a lot on the agenda, things they want to get done. my sources on the bipartisan infrastructure committee tell me they're in the final stages. they are finalizing things with the white house, filling in final details of legislative text, waiting for financial analysis from the aforementioned congressional budget office. if this falls apart, which it still very well could, democrats have a trick up their sleeve. that's the infrastructure bill they want to move on to in the next couple weeks. if the bipartisan bill falls apart, they can fold it all together into one massive bill. there's still a few steps to go, and beginning of the week is something we're going to be

watching for, steph. >> they can't just fold it into the $3.5 trillion democrat only bill. there are democrats that aren't going to sign onto it. given where we are, on what grounds can the white house say that something is going to happen in a bipartisan way? >> put it like this, steph. the president's guts, instinct, take aways from having served in the senate some 40 years, white house officials with whom i have spoken about it with takes an eyes wide open approach. nothing is agreed to until everything is agreed to. he realizes republicans generally speaking have no incentive to help him on the infrastructure push. they have every incentive to rob him of key legislative victory. they realize how fragile the framework is. the president said in a town hall the fact it failed is

irrelevant. based on his years in the senate, when a senator gives his or her word and shake on it, that's that. he name checked rob portman who is working on the bipartisan infrastructure deal and said he operates much the same way. we will find out if the president's bet is a good one. democrats have an alternate avenue if the bipartisan deal falls apart. >> all right. lee ann, jeff, leave it there. the president feels it in his gut. of course, there are people working on it that may be gutless. coming up, one of the biggest news stories. jeffrey epstein's pyramid and people that turned a blind eye. the reporter that broke the story is talking about his mysterious death next. mysterious death next.

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turn up the volume for this. nearly two years since jeffrey epstein's mysterious death. this morning, learning more what went into it. an award winning reporter that helped put the condition vick ted sex offender behind bars. she's the reason we know who jeffrey epstein is. she digs into how it happened in her book, perfect version of justice, the jeffrey epstein

story. a hero of mine, julia k. brown. good to see you. chapter titled jeffrey epstein didn't kill himself. a lot of us think that's the case. what evidence do you have that supports it? >> well, here's the thing. we still don't really know for sure. it is a theory of mine based on the information that i know about, and you know, there are a lot of people of course that believe the same thing. epstein's brother, for example, epstein's lawyers, among the last to see him don't believe he committed suicide, and knowing epstein the way i have gotten to know him through all of the research that i have done, this was a man who really believed he was above the law, who had a lot of political connections. this is very early on in his

case. it seems way too early for him to have thrown in the towel. and aside from that, the doctor, the forensic pathologist that reviewed the autopsy, was at the autopsy, dr. michael baden has also ruled that he doesn't believe that this was a suicide. it could have been an assisted suicide, a question of whether he hired somebody or somebody hired somebody to kill him, but there's just too many coincidences. he had just got out of suicide watch, his cell mate was removed before this happened, two guards were allegedly asleep or distracted, the video disappeared, he had three, not one, but three bones broken in his neck. this is a man who had everything done for him almost down to his butlers tying shoe laces.

the idea he would be able to do that tying bed sheets to the top bunk of his cell, pull hard enough to break three bones in his neck, and leave all the items sitting on the top bunk undisturbed raises a lot of questions about exactly how he died. >> which is why the idea that he killed himself makes little sense, what makes a lot of sense is the scores of very powerful people who didn't want their names out there, don't want to be tied to this. that's my question. lots of powerful people in media, in politics, in business, in hollywood, whose names have been circling around epstein the last few years, but no one has really gotten in trouble, besides ghislaine maxwell, is there any reason to believe any of the other power names are going to face any consequences for the most part right now? you and i are talking about this. they're in their c suite offices

and on their yachts. >> what's kind of ironic about this, the only people that have paid any price, suffered as a result of this case are women, all the way down to the prosecutors who handled this, the state female prosecutor, her career was destroyed, the federal female prosecutor was basically forced out of there, had to take another job. there's just victims themselves. and it is concerning that the only people seem to have paid a price in this are women. >> and do you think that will be the case going forward, besides reputational risk, and ghislaine aside, any big guys that will pay a price? >> you know, that's hard to say.

you know, i hate to say this, but you know, it is going to be very hard for them to i think try to connect all the dots with all of the important people. a lot of people are keeping their mouth shut, including the women. and it is understandable. the women that i know of that were involved with some of the powerful men have watched as the ones that were brave enough to come forward have been pretty much attacked and crucified. they don't want that to happen to their lives. it has further silenced people that have information. >> what does it seem like is going to happen to ghislaine maxwell. she's behind bars in a brooklyn jail, recently mentioned bill cosby in the latest attempt to get out, what does that tell you, not that she's arguing her innocence but legal technicalities. that's how he got out. >> that's exactly what she's going to do. find a legal loophole.

she's already trying to use the loophole that she was perhaps one of those, remember, his plea deal included a strange mechanism, gave immunity to epstein and known co-conspirators, to co-conspirators not named also. her lawyers will argue she's one of the co-conspirators not named that should also receive immunity. of course, federal prosecutors are arguing she wasn't covered by that agreement, so we have to wait and see. >> wait and see. the question will be what do we learn from this, what a disgusting, horrible criminal epstein was, how disgusting and awful our system is. thank you so much. this book is a must read. coming up, she defied the odds, winning multiple gold medals as a deaf, blind swimmer. now she's pulling out of the

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is priceless. his legacy...lives on. global outrage after a three time paralympic swimmer officially withdrew from tokyo games after being told she couldn't bring her personal care support system. she has been deaf since birth and lost her vision. she was told she couldn't bring her mother to guide her through the games. u.s. olympic and paralympic committee is defending the decision saying they could only have one assistant to help the team through covid restrictions. they'll be joined by ten extra support staff with experience helping blind swimmers. keep in mind, that's just 11 staff members for all 34 paralympic swimmers, many of

them require one on one care. becca wrote an op-ed. this headline said it all. i don't want to pull out of the tokyo games but i've been given no choice. she joins us with her mother and personal care assistant, maria. becca, i'm sorry. you have been training for the games the last five years. how are you feeling? >> heartbroken. so sad i can't compete at the highest level i dedicated my entire life to. >> maria, you are becca's assistant on top of being her mother. walk us through what you do every day to help her, when people see the headline they're assisted, we're not talking about tasks. this is life needed support to get her to the pool. >> exactly. exactly. every day we're a team.

we work together from the time we get up, breakfast, walking to the car in the dark in the middle of winter to get to practice, snowing. i have her elbow, i get her to the car, we get to the pool. like i said, we're a team together. >> becca, when you don't have your mom with you, how vulnerable do you feel. you would be in a foreign country. >> very vulnerable because i don't know what's happening around me. i don't have any real modes of communication with others, especially this year with covid and the mask mandate, i lip read. not being able to see someone's face and lip read and understand what's going on, i would be at complete loss. with social distancing being six feet away from others, i wouldn't be able to hear, and not being able to see. i would be very vulnerable, and not having someone next to me like my mother who has been my

personal care assistant telling me what's going on. i trust her to tell me what's around me and that's critical to a deaf blind person, that trust between a pca and like my mom said, we are a team. we work together to navigate the world. >> maria, did you feel like you had a choice or did you have to pull out, you couldn't do it without your mom. >> i couldn't. i couldn't. after my rio 2016 experience, i knew i could never travel by myself again as a deaf blind person because of the challenges. i couldn't put myself through that again, never again. >> maria, when we think about her commitment to the sport, she's the farthest thing possible from a quitter. as her mother, what has it been like to see the rug ripped from underneath her? >> it is just a punch in the

stomach. from the time she was born, she's a fighter. she's determined. every single thing she's ever done, she does 150%. she trained completely alone during the pandemic. she couldn't train with her team. and all of a sudden she gave everything to this her entire life, and knowing full well you can't go by yourself, you just can't. >> becca, i know you're rooting for team usa. given the restrictions on athletes, is it worth it to hold the paralympics, is it safe? >> i hope, i want the athletes to compete. everyone worked so hard. we dedicated our whole lives. i would love to see the athletes have an opportunity to compete. and i will be cheering them on loudly from home. >> what is your final message, becca, to all of us out there

who might not understand the challenges you face but who are watching this story and reading it. what do you want us to know? >> i want to change the system. that is my mission now, to bring awareness that all athletes of disabilities are protected, safe. no one should ever feel afraid to travel with team usa. that's my number one priority now, to protect future generations from ever experiencing what i experienced. >> you won't just be a winner for yourself, you'll change the game, help so many other people as well. becca, maria, thank you so much. appreciate you joining us. >> thank you. >> thank you. coming up next, 11 people, 11 in trump's orbit have been charged with crimes. what's the latest arrest revealing about what was really going on in the west wing, talking about big dollars. they were supposed to be working for the american people.

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the number of trump associates in trouble is seriously growing. at least 11 people involved, very closely involved in former president's 2016 campaign or administration have been charged with crimes. the latest, tom barrack. is he still behind bars this morning after being arrested

earlier this week on charges of acting as an unregistered foreign agent. will he remain locked up until at least monday when his bail hearing takes place and he's expected to plead not guilty. joining me now to discuss, former u.s. attorney and official chuck rosenberg. here is what i don't get. tom barrack has never been arrested before. does it surprise you that this guy is sitting in a jail cell until monday? how serious is this? >> well, second question first, stephanie, it's serious. it's not the crime of the century. it's not the lindbergh kidnapping but it's serious. it's a felony. not just one felony. it's several. not just that he was an unregistered agent for a foreign government. in this case, the united arab emirates but also when he was questioned by the fbi, he lied. it's serious, it's a felony. there's the prospect that if

convicted, he goes to jail. >> nbc investigations reporter tom wynter is joining us now. tom, what new details are you learning about barrack's arrest? to chuck's point, this is serious. >> it is serious. stephanie, going forward, it will be interesting to see what other details we get in follow-up court filings, a detention memo filed in brooklyn when he come heers for a bail hearing. it won't be monday. he will still be in california. that will obviously inform whether or not he will get bail in this particular case. there's a lot of questions from folks about whether or not this case proceeds from here. that may not be the case. it may be a big enough case in and of itself. one never knows when they're arrested what they might offer up but i think the chances of that going forward are probably pretty slim. >> who else in the trump administration and campaign might this touch, given the type of dealings barrack was having, unlike a lot of these trumpster

hangers-on, tom barrack is a massively rich, influential man. he spent a lot of time with jared and ivanka. just before the election in november he threw a fund-raising lunch in honor of iechka, $150,000 a head to thank her for her awesomeness. >> you're absolutely right. tom barrack is not the coffee boy. this is somebody who is a 30-year friend, good, close, personal friend of the president, someone who has an enormous amount of wealth. in 2014, forbes said he was worth a billion dollars, he has the private jet, all the connections particularly in the middle east. you do wonder where this could go from here. however, there's a lot of ifs. looking at the specific charges here, they would have to show jared and ivanka, not only that they knew but somehow they were involved and also working with a

foreign government. i just don't see that at this point in the case based on the filings that we have and based on our own independent reporting based on this investigation and where it's going. at this point, yes, are they close to tom barrack? absolutely. as i said, you never know when somebody gets arrested what thing they might tell you about in order to save themselves. the idea here that this is some sort of an initial domino in a string of dominos investigation, i just don't see it at this point, steph. >> chuck, there are a lot of ifs. for everyone watching, why is this such a big deal? why should they care? >> yeah. well, they should care. it is a big deal. i think i could explain it with an illustration, stephanie. i read "the washington post" every morning. whenever they write in the article about amazon, founded by jeff bezos, they note that bezos owns ""the washington post"." as a reader, that's the kind of transparency i want in my newspaper. i think it's also good for the newspaper and the reporter. same thing here. if you are a high-ranking

government official and a private citizen hases providing information to you or lobbying you, or extolling the virtues of a particular foreign country, you would like to know whether that private citizen has some hook with them, is getting paid or there's some future consideration or business relationship. you want to know about the source of the information. this is a really simple case to avoid if you're tom barrack. all you need to do is disclose. all you need to do is be transparent. allegedly, he was not. >> and the question will be, everybody knew that the trumps were crooked. the question will be whether actions were criminal. this story isn't going away. i know i want you back here both tomorrow at this time. at this time right now, i've got to go. that wraps up this hour, a busy one. i'm stephanie ruhle. thanks for watching. hallie jackson picks up coverage on the other side of the break. e on the other side of the break

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