take delta variant seriously. this virus has no incentive to let up and it remains in search of the next vulnerable person to infect. >> on capitol hill an escalating battle over that january 6th investigation with house speaker nancy pelosi today vigorously defending her decision to remove two republicans from the january 6th committee for recent comments, their comments and actions, she says, disqualify them. >> this is deadly serious. this is about our constitution. it's about our country. it's about the assault on the capitol that is being mischaracterized for some reason at the expense -- at the expense of finding the truth for the american people. >> mccarthy is promising to have his own probe? i'm not talking about him. no, i'm not concerned. let's not waste each other's time, okay? >> but we will be hearing from house republican leader kevin

mccarthy this hour. but first, newly released bombshell audio of donald trump talking about the deadly attack on the u.s. capitol. the former president completely distorting what happened that day. this is from his interview in march with carol linick and phil rucker from "the washington post," here's trump talking about his rally and what happened at the capitol. >> it was a loving crowd, too, by the way. there was a lot of love. i've heard that from everybody. many, many people. the capitol police were ushering people in. the capitol police were very friendly. they were hugging and kissing. >> that is, of course, the opposite of what americans saw that day. the rioters assaulting police officers, punching and tasing them before they breached the u.s. capitol to overturn a legitimate election. just last month i spoke to d.c. police officer michael fanone who was on the receiving end of that assault. >> i was severely beaten and

also electrocuted numerous times with the taser, and the injuries i sustained were a traumatic brain injury as well as suffering a heart attack, and i do grapple with ptsd as a result of that day. >> joining us now, pulitzer prize-winning washington post reporter philip rucker and carol linick, authors of "i alone can fix it." donald trump's catastrophic final year. january 6th, we are beyond numb with the former president. to hear him distort january 6th is jaw-dropping. tell me how you were reacting in mar-a-lago asking him these questions. >> i am so glad you played the clip of the police officer a few

weeks back, it was very different from what former president donald trump described. we sat with trump for two and a half hours during this interview and it felt like every minute he was uttering a new lie. he's living in sort of an alternative dystopian reality in his own head, not only about january 6th. of course, was there nothing loving about the crowd that lay siege to the capitol, but also about the election. he claimed the election was rigged when there was no evidence that it was. he told us that of course, he won arizona. everybody knows he won arizona. joe biden won arizona. that's what the vote totals show. it was one lie after another and it was very clear that he's not been able to come to grips yet with the reality that he lost the election and he is no longer the president. >> i wanted to play for both of you, carol, these -- his comments about the lies about the election which are still

fueling the so-called audits in arizona and they're trying to do it elsewhere, and new restrictions on voting and let's listen to what he said and i'll ask you about it on the other side. >> i'm a big believer in science. are you talking about disinformation or are you talking about lies? there is a more beautiful word called disinformation. >> disinformation, not lies. carol -- your takeaway when he's saying that? >> we were both pretty gob smacked, andrea as the president described disinformation as a beautiful word and it is really the through line of his final year in the oval office. i mean, think about all of the things that he has said that are essentially hanging over the country today. our book "i alone can fix it" in some respects a history book, but it is also current events and the president, the former president continues to sow distrust in the vaccine. he continues to say that, quote,

unquote, indians were paid to vote and vote forred bien and that dead people voted and that's why he lost the election. he continues to raise questions about what really happened on january 6th. there was no hugging and kissing as he described it to us, and yet it's so important that you're focusing on this because right now he's the standard bearer of the republican party and if there was a primary tomorrow, and he had to decide, he would be the nominee for president from the republican party. that's the power that he has. he's really tapped into a group of americans. a very large group of americans who are angry and feel that this isn't the country that they want and he's stoked their anger and confusion and unfortunately, he sold them a bill of goods and a lot of things that just aren't true. >> i'm glad that you're focusing

on moving forward, as well because as historians and authors here you have to look backwards and interviewed him and it's his continuing and future impact that is so critical here and that brings me to one of the main characters which is the chief of staff chairman milley talking about a coup, talking about his fears. let's hear what he had to say yesterday because of trump's rhetoric at one point comparing to hitler and nazi germany and he did not deny any of your reporting, the first chance that anyone's had to ask him about your book. >> i always personally provided the best military professional advice to president biden. it is an apolitical institution. our oath is to the constitution and not any individual at all and the military did not and should not ever get involved in

domestic politics. >> phil in "i alone can fix it qwest qwest you write about how general milley had real concerns and that he and the top generals were prepared to resign. tell me about that. >> that's right, andrea. in the wake of the election general milley became increasingly alarmed by the rhetoric by president trump and the misinformation that he was spreading to millions of his followers and claims of the rigged election and he was fearful, not alone, by the way. key senior lawmakers and former defense secretary robert gates and other military leaders along with milley were fearful that trump may try to use his power as the commander in chief to cling on to his own power and can stay in that office despite the will of the people in the election. milley thought there could be a coup at play. he had meetings with the fellow joint chiefs the staff. the head of the air force and the navy and the other branches of the military and together

they decided if president trump were to issue some sort of order to the military that was unconstitutional or illegal or in their view, dangerous to the country that they would try to effectively institute a saturday night massacre in reverse where they would all resign one by one over time to try to delay the execution of that presidential order and prevent it from happening. that's how serious this became, and it was really a harrowing period for milley because he's a student of history and he was listening to and watching trump speak to his supporters and he saw parallels between what trump was saying about the election and where adolf hitler was able to consolidate power before the nazi regime took over. >> there was such relief, carol, at the inauguration when you write about how general milley felt after biden was sworn in. you said michelle obama asked

milley how he was feeling and you quote him as saying no one has a bigger smile today than i do. you can't see it under my mask, but do i. he got home that night to his house atop fort meier and looking out, he thought thank god. we landed the ship safely. >> you know, i'm so glad you read that because those according to our reporting, those two weeks between january 6th and january 20th were some of the most harrowing for the military and for chairman milley. according to people that we spoke to who had a front-row seat to this every day there would be a check-in between meadow, the chief of staff, mark meadows, secretary of state pompeo and chairman mark milley. milley's goal in that period, andrea was basically to keep tabs on donald trump and any

other conspiracy whisperers or fringe allies who were plotting or considering plots during that time. he wanted to quash that and get on it as quickly as possible. he also visited a gymnasium where people were -- national security professionals and national guardsmen were preparing for the amazing lockdown of our city for the inauguration. remember, there were continuing concerns after the attack on the capitol that there would be an attempt on biden's life. the secret service was in charge overall for that coordinating that protection of the city, turning it essentially into a bomb shelter that no one could enter for 26 blocks, but milley visited that gymnasium and he basically gave a rousing pep talk to everyone there saying, you know, these are the oathkeepers and the booga look boys and we will not let these

people pierce our democracy. we will have a safe transfer of power and we will have a safe inauguration and he was rousing according to those there who were also quite fear will of what could happen. when he finally gets to relax on the stage in front of the capitol with the obamas and he's seated behind them and they turned to greet each other, there's another moment, too, and kamala harris gives him a wink and a nod and i just want to thank you. >> another great narrative is the pence relationship with the former president and here is what the president -- what the former president donald trump said to you about mike pence and certifying the election. >> i was very disappointed in mike. i was very disappointed and so were a lot of republicans, very disappointed because had he sent them back, had he been thomas

jefferson and had he sent him back, which took courage, but not a lot of courage. >> phil, your reaction to him then? >> yeah. you know, andrea, this is two months after the fact and he's still angry with mike pence. look, pence had been nothing but the loyal sidekick to trump throughout the presidency. people would call him a sycophant because he would stand over trump's shoulder and he would nod his head and stare with trump with great admiration and love and he never crossed president trump. it wasn't until january 6th when president trump wanted vice president pence to do something that was frankly illegal and inconstitutional to overturn the election that pence said he's not going to do that, he will not do it and he will do his constitutional job and oversee the certification of the election results and that was the breach in their relationship. we also asked president trump,

former president trump if he were to run again for president in 2024 which he's been very open about considering, would he do so with pence as his running mate and he said he wasn't sure. he left open the possibility, actually, that he would pick a different vice presidential running mate and entertained with the idea this he might go head to head against pence for the presidential nomination telling us it's a free country and pence can do what he wants to do. >> phil rucker, carol leonnig, the book is incredible. "i alone can fix it," donald trump's catastrophic final year. there's so much more to dig through. >> thank you, andrea. >> thank you, andrea. >> you bet. joining us now democratic congresswoman, a former helicopter pilot and former prosecutor. i want to ask you about nancy pelosi not bending to kevin mccarthy's threat. is that the right decision and what does that mean for the

future and the credibility of this investigation? >> hi, andrea. certainly it's a disappointing setback. anyone who heard that we were going to set up a congressional committee and kevin mccarthy would make picks could have predicted that one of those picks was a hack like someone like jim jordan who would try to blow up the procedures, but this wasn't the committee of choosing. we wanted an independent, bipartisan commission, but that said, once we decided to move down this path, you know, we should have been red for this and i don't think we should be afraid of this fight. i think that the american people should hear the truth. they deserve the truth. we need to have an investigation into this and quite frankly, i would put liz cheney against jim jordan any day of the week. >> doesn't this put liz cheney in a really difficult position? first of all, she'll play a much more important role, potentially and it further isolates her from

the rest of her party. >> you know, liz cheney who i have disagreed with on many occasions and we both sit on the house arms services commity. i'm from new jersey. she's from wyoming. we have different policy views, but she acted and has been acting very courageously. i wish every member of congress could have one iota of her courage in the last several weeks standing up for what's right for this country and not putting her own agenda first, and so i think this is further isolating her. it's not -- i'm sure helpful to her, but she has chosen to put this country before her own selfish personal interests which i wish more members of the republican party would consider doing. >> should the speaker try to find some other former republicans, perhaps who might be willing to play a role as has been reported and might be considered. >> well, like i said, the gold

standard, what we had negotiated for with republicans and had been prepared to move forward on was an independent, bipartisan commission. that's what we wanted to see and quite frankly, republicans received most of what they requested in that commission and unfortunately, kevin mccarthy pulled the rug out from under on that. he's decided to put loyalty to trump over this country, really, and getting to the bottom of what happened on january 6th and ensuring it never happens again, and so i think what we need to do now with this congressional committee is get as close to that as possible, but it's my hope that eventually, like with the 9/11 congressional committee we can eventually turn this investigation over to an independent, bipartisan commission. >> as a veteran, i also want to ask you your reaction to general milley's role as recounted in phil and carol's book how he was afraid of a coup and how prepared they were to stand up,

to resign if necessary. >> you know, none of this reporting surprises me having worked with general milley over the last several years in the house arms services committee. make no mistake. he was put in an incredibly difficult position. our military is separate from our civilian government. our military is not and should not be political or partisan, and yet he's also taken an oath to protect and defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. so he was working incredibly hard to ensure there was a peaceful transition of government and for those who criticize him, i would say that is not a partisan view. that is our democracy and that is defending our constitution, and i think he worked incredibly hard to do that, and i comment him for that work. >> congresswoman mikie share il, coming down harder on cuba.

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there's more breaking news in washington and the biden administration expected to announce new sanctions against cuban officials for human rights abuses, for jailed citizens who took against the communist regime. marco rubio serves on the

committee. very good to have you. >> thank you. >> first of all, what have you heard from the white house and will this be enough, if you've heard enough in terms of new sanctions against cuban officials? >> as far as i know, we haven't heard anything from the white house on it. we learned this from media reports. i think that would be a welcome step and why magnitsky was passed. they were sanctioned by of their membership and different entities that were sanctioned under existing sanctioned rules that have been written and implemented in 2017 and 2018, but this would be welcome and it's additional pressure especially if it begins to filter down to the mid levels of the security forces. at the end of the day the key here is to go after the loyalty and the confidence of those in the security apparatus in cuba. so is it enough? no. there are other things that need to be done including a diplomatic search.

we should be convening it and pushing for the human rights commission to document these abuses from it. we might be able to have the level the global magnitsky sanctions and we need to provide vpn and internet access to the people of cuba so they can communicate with each other and with the world. >> they are talking about trying to figure out a way where remittances wouldn't get skimmed by the government and would actually get the people and he's pushed back against pressure from others essentially in congress who want remittances to begin to go again, more remittances to get to the people. do you think there -- do you think there is a way to make this happen where it would not be taken by the government and 20% off the top, you know. >> right. first of all with remittances are not outlawed now. what is outlawed doing business with any entity with the

military. the regime is one that insists that it be handled by this bank in panama. if they allowed it to go directly to the cuban people. that's legal now and it's the regime that's keeping that from happening and they also prohibited depositing dollars. >> is there a way where dollars a work around the regime restrictions or is it just impossible? >> it's impossible, there's nothing we can do to make it possible. the regime has to open it up. they don't allow people to have bank accounts outside of the regime's bank. if they did there would be a way to send relatives money. the overwhelming amount of people in cuba don't get remittances. all of the remittances to the people of cuba are not on our side of it. it's on the cuban side of it and the regime side of it. if there was a way to do it that would be great. they force cubans to convert dollars because the regime wants the dollars into cuban currency

which is worthless. it's worthless on the island, much less anywhere else in the world. the fundamental -- is the remittances on the cuban said of it, not the u.s. side of it. >> the havana, which is one of the reasons why we withdrew for safety. it was not cuban created this problem in 2016. it may be russia or other places, but it is now all over the world. we reported it's in every continent except antarctica, and the cubans aren't doing it, so something is happening here. what is your reaction to the cia director is putting a veteran officer who had been in the hunt for osama bin laden and ramping up the task force to try to find out what the heck happened here? >> bill burns deserves credit because beyond just that from the very first day he's taken

over he's made a promise that he's kept and treat this very seriously and sometimes people have downplay for what they don't understand and he hasn't done that and he deserves credit for it. you're right. it's been reported in different parts. i think there are two things coming into focus here, and some can be discussed publicly and some of which will have to wait and the technology that can make something all of this possible isn't all that exotic or all that novel and my only view of the cuba end of it is that you couldn't do this against americans in cuba without the regime at least being aware of it. that said, there have been reports of it happening inside the united states. there's been reports in the u.s. and other places and i think we can begin to get a definitive answer and american personnel and those have been injured using something you don't normally see. >> would you be okay with us

beginning to send diplomat and others back to cuba, back to havana on post as they are everywhere in the world? >> yeah. i mean, again, they weren't taken out as a punishment. they weren't taken out as a policy measure. the reason they were removed is we couldn't tell them how to protect themselves. by the way, the people that were there before you, came back with serious injuries and we don't know how to protect yourselves. this is not been punishing, how can we send americans some place when we can't tell them how to protect themselves like the people that were there before that. that was the challenge and remains the challenge. >> i want to ask you about the coronavirus. largely because of the delta variant, three states, missouri, florida and texas are responsible for 40% of all of the cases that we're seeing across the country according to the white house today and the cdc, nearly half of those are in

florida. what more do you think your state should be doing to protect people? >> look, i think what we've done and what you can do. three things. you have to make vaccines available, which they are readily available to all those in florida. government has a role to play in encouraging people to get vaccinated. i've done that consistently from the very beginning. everyone who is eligible should be vaccinated and it's an issue. have been telling people for a long time not to smoke and it causes lung cancer and heart disease. people have to understand that with the vaccine, if you're vaccinated you might still get covid. it protects you against it, you may still get it, but you're not going to wind up in a hospital, intubated or dead and that's the key here and we have to continue to try to convince people of it. there are some people you will never convince, and in a free society there are limits to what a government can force people to do. >> you are one of the republican leaders who have been consistent in that messaging from the very

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in a few moments house republican leader kevin mccarthy is expected to respond to speaker nancy pelosi's criticism of his decision to withdraw three other members from the january 6th investigation because she vetoed two of them. joining us now is nbc's garrett haake and leigh ann caldwell on the hill. liz cheney wednesday spoke out about the future of the committee now that they've all been withdrawn after pelosi's veto. let's listen to what she had to say yesterday. >> i am absolutely confident that we will have a non-partisan

investigation, that it will look at the facts. that it will go wherever the facts may lead. there are three members that the minority leader proposed that speaker did not object to. she has objected to two members and the rhetoric around this from the minority leader and from those two members has been disgraceful. >> garrett, this puts her in a unique position, certainly, as the leader is about to come out. >> cheney's indispensable now, and she was before hand. we have word about just how valuable she has been and how seriously she was taking it and as the only remaining republican on the panel and i'm not convinced she'll be the only republican on tuesday. this is bipartisan and this isn't democrats going after donald trump and this is a bipartisan search for the truth and that's valuable. we hear now, leigh ann, that you confirmed that a former

republican congressman could be considered as an adviser to the committee? >> yeah. that's right, andrea. congressman riggleman, he lost his election in the last election due to a primary opponent on the right and he's been an outspoken critic of the former president and the lies perpetuated around january 6th and around the presidential election and the sources are telling me that representative cheney is as it currently states, the only republican on that committee, wanted some staff, republican staff to help advise the select committee, and i'm told that the representative of former congressman riggleman is being considered. so that will be significant in the development of this committee and an appeasement by speaker pelosi to enable more republican thought in this process. >> garrett, i know you will be anchoring "meet the press daily"

at 1:00 and we are waiting to get to this particular subject, but you expect that he'll be responding as he did yesterday to pelosi. he does have the option of creating his own parallel commit. >> i don't know how much credibility that would have and i don't know how much mccarthy can add to this today. he's made it clear from the beginning and he's found this whole exercise to be partisan and he can wash his hands of it and say this is democrats and this is liz cheney and i don't want to do anything anymore and he'll try to turn the page and i don't know if there's value for him to be up on the committee like he did yesterday because for mccarthy the truest thing about this has always been he does not want to talk about january 6th at all if he can possibly avoid it and now he might try. >> both he and jim jordan could be subpoenaed by this committee. nancy pelosi and a little bit more of what she had to say today. >> the two people that i

exclude -- of the three that i appointed one of them voted against the ratification and the other two voted for it. having said that, though, the other two made statements and took actions that just made it ridiculous to put them on such a committee seeking the truth. garrett, right now he's still talking about the economy and nancy pelosi's briefing and we'll cut to that there live and as it has pointed out and she's not going to put republicans on and to hold a parallel meeting is going to be not very quick. >> he said this yesterday that the republicans wanted to conduct their own investigation and they wanted to look into things like what the speaker knew about security threats before that day began, but again, mccarthy's interest here is talking about things that are not january 6th and he's talking about inflation right now and that's an issue that republicans

would like to spend time focusing on and they don't want to get into january 6th because they don't like where that rabbit hole leads and i would be surprised if that follows through in any major public way. as you point out, both he and jim jordan could be materiel witnesses and talking about january 6th only draws more attention to something he would prefer to ignore. leigh ann, when we talk about him being a potential witness, kevin mccarthy according to many reports called the white house angrily during the siege and was pleading with the president to help. >> she just caught up with representative steny hoyer, speaker pelosi's number two, and i asked him that very question if jim jordan would be called as a materiel witness and he said he very well could be. he wasn't sure because the select committee is just getting

off the ground and starting their work, but it is very possible that he is and it is not just leader mccarthy who spoke with him on january 6th, but jim jordan attempted the january 6th and undercutting the electoral account vote on january 6th and these are people who could be brought in whether they like it or not as far as the select committee is concerned. mccarthy opened his press conference talking about inflation. these are the issues that mccarthy and republicans would much rather talk about than having to re-litigate january 6th over and over again especially when their roles were more prominent than what was reported, andrea? >> we'll get back to kevin mccarthy when he starts to take questions. garrett, i know you've got to

go. we'll be seeing you at 1:00 on mtv daily. >> thanks, andrea. >> the white house is responding on the debate within the administration about whether to update masking guidance for vaccinated americans saying the cdc will make any decisions on potential new masking even as covid spikes across the country. joining me is dr. gupta pulmonologist at the university of washington and tara purcel, and the bloomberg school of public health and an olympic silver medalist at the 2004 games in athens. first to you, dr. gupta, we are seeing so many more cases now. do you have greater concerns about masking and being more proactive against the spread? >> good afternoon, andrea. good to be here. you know, given the fact that

the vaccines, if you're fully vaccinated especially with two doses of the vaccine are so very protective against the delta variant and the emerging threats, i'm not. we need to remain calm and not respond day over day to the rise in cases which is as we see, the rise in cases has decoupled from a rise in hospitalizations and deaths. >> dr. gupta -- with my apologies, we want to just quickly switch back to kevin mccarthy he's being asked what is so wrong about having liz cheney on that commission in january 6th. >> she said no. she just wanted to make it political. >> when we responded back to her she waited ten weeks to say anybody else. i think even your viewers understand what a sham this committee is and how politically driven. for her to pick and choose who can serve on to say the ranking member of the judiciary who has

jurisdiction cannot serve, when she decides that jim banks who served his nation in the navy in afghanistan this he can't serve here, when she selects a chair of the committee that believes republican senators are equal to terrorists, just dropped a lawsuit against the president and objected to the electors when it came to the election of george bush, i think even you would understand that. >> will you punish them in any way? >> yes, sir? >> can we talk about infrastructure for a second? have you been briefed by the details. >> you know, they continue to move. i haven't seen all of the details. i like the idea of people working together and having an infrastructure bill. if there's one thing we should be able to do is infrastructure. i laid out to the president what i thought a bipartisan infrastructure bill would look like. the first thing you would have to do is agree on what infrastructure means, roads, bridges, highway, broadband and airports. we would then look at the need

of the nation. we want to make sure we can make reforms with nippa and others so your money would go further and i think we could find compromise there. the most difficult part is the moment in time when they did get an agreement. the president said there was an agreement and in the same day he said no, i still need the other 3 trillion. just listen to the stories. since this new administration and democratic majority they propose a bill with a nice title, but it has nothing to do with it. we watched what they did in the beginning of the bill with less than 9% going for it and i would like the idea of a bipartisan infrastructure bill. >> they don't have -- even they tell you they can't vote on it yet because they don't have one. i think it matters in the details and i think a trillion dollars is a lot of money so i'd like to see the details. i'd like to do that upon yes,

ma'am? [ inaudible question ]yes, ma'a? [ inaudible question ]. yes, ma? [ inaudible question ]yes, ma'a? [ inaudible question ] >> i'm right here. [ inaudible question ] should members come to you asking about cheney, in this case? >> look, our main focus is making sure that we stop the runaway inflation the democrats have caused. the idea of securing our borders and making sure the crime that is rising in california or throughout the entire nation because of defunding the police that we stop all that. i understand from the standpoint that others could not be busy on other things and it's a conference decision. yes, ma'am? >> you got your vaccine at the end of last year you're seeing

more republicans advocate for people to get a vaccine. why the shift? i don't understand how i shifted my tone. >> we've seen more republicans come out advocating a vaccine, essentially for your party, why the shift in tone? >> i disagree with the nature because i don't think we shifted in our tone. i mean, the republicans advocated for operation warp speed. we funded it. we looked from it. when i sat back and watched the then-senator of california criticize and question whether they should get a vaccine as she was running for vice president, and i watched the democrats in the house go to the microphones and criticize operation warp speed and the vaccines. think about what we were able to accomplish in a short period of time and even dr. fauci said it was impossible to do that quickly and the idea that we could have not one, but more -- more than three vaccines out there. the investment we made, i think

many times people will study that. the number of lives we were able to save after this virus has come from a foreign land. i think republicans will go down from the perspective of looking forward and saving a lot of lives and i don't think we've changed from that position at all and maybe at times through media people were hearing it and i wouldn't be here if it wasn't for that leadership and president trump deserves a lot of credit for that. i know when president biden -- i know he got the vaccine before he was sworn in and somehow he thought he created, but his own vice president criticized it which was not good for the american public which was concerning to all of us that people would sit there and criticize something that could save a lot of lives. >> yes? >> kevin mccarthy with a number of misstatements about the origins of the vaccine or at least the evolution of republican comments, many republican comments, not his and

many others and things that have been said by a number of his colleagues. tara, information online is driving the disconnect in communities with lower vaccination rates. will this message from democrats and republicans really make a difference? >> i think this message will help. we've seen that a lot of vaccine hesitancy is with republicans and white evangelicals and the rural population so i hope they'll start listening and saying maybe i should go get vaccinated because right now vaccine levels in the country aren't high enough and we are seeing rises in cases. >> and you're familiar, of course, with the protocols in tokyo as a former olympian. mike tirico told savannah guthrie that it is preventing a major spread of the virus. as a former medalist how do you think this is impacting the athletes because they have a

different experience. they can't have their people with them and have their families there. they're so isolated. >> yes. this will be a very different experience for the olympic athletes and it will be strange, jarring and sometimes eerie competing in front of these empty stands. they want to be there. they want to compete for their country and the testing is just part of the program right now in order to, you know, make the event happen, and so i think that they're going to do it, but i also think that it's going to be very different from normal. >> and dr. gupta, when you look at what's happening in tokyo and the poor job that japan has done to, how important we for america with how many vaccines we have and the reluctance of people to take that vaccine is so frustrating. >>antria, what i will say that

friday says i wish it were next week. we spent the last 18 months saying grandma, grandpa and mom and dad are the most vulnerable and now that has shifted and young people across the country are asking questions and they're probing. i find many of them are reachable and they're understanding and getting used to the fact that they are now vulnerable after 18 months of us saying no, it's those 65 and older or those with pre-existing conditions. we have to give them time to understand that, but to your point the rest of the world is burning and so when we're talking about donating vaccines, i actually think donating more vaccines now will help motivate people to get the vaccine, to get the vaccine and scarcity is motivating. so if they see other people get the vaccine, i think that would be helpful versus having a glut and lotteries here. that is actually not motivating in my view. >> dr. vin gupta, tara kirk,

thank you to both of you. we are only four days -- excuse me, four days following an unannounced return after being treated in miami, the widow of haiti's assassinated president appeared in a memorial for her late husband. it's not the first time, of course, that this island nation has been embroiled in a political crisis. back in 1994 the international community intervened to remove the military regime established by i was with former new york city police commissioner ray kelly in 199 # 5. after he was appointed by president clinton to lead the international police monitoring force. >> at the end of this month, united nations police take over. kelly's job will be done, he will go home. >> certainly miss my family. having water, electricity, plumbing, those sorts of things.

great experience. they certainly endure so many hardships. they're happy, smile easily, have a great work ethic. >> will hard work be enough in a coun history of violence. >> they need opportunity to make much needed changes. that's what i think we created here. >> joining me, the ceo of the guardian. great to see you. after all these years, has haiti turned a corner? >> when we were there in the '90s, a lot of good things happened. it was a functioning

legislature. the police were professionalized. good things happened. unfortunately i think the country has regressed significantly since then, and unfortunate assassination is something that will be hard for the country to recovered from in the short term. concern about violence, haiti can't catch a break as far as leaders are concerned. people are good, hard working, but they just had terrible leadership. technological avalanche that changed the world just has not hit haiti. it is a dysfunctioning place unfortunately and they're going to have to do it on their own. they're going to have to, i don't think the u.s. is going to put troops there. i know they put a special envoy there today. i think the haitians are pretty much on their own.

they'll have some international community help, but it is time for them to step up. >> is there anything the u.s. should be doing, more humanitarian aid, is there anything fundamentally that would change the equation? >> fair and open elections of course is something that they need. i think in the '90s, the u.s. certainly helped with that. here you have the president assassinated, his first election was negated because of corruption. so it is a very difficult thing to do in haiti to get free and fair elections. but that could be a game changer and perhaps the international community can help in that regard. >> i think we just lost our connection with you. we'll try to reestablish that.

we should point out that the state department did announce today they're sending an envoy. we have an ambassador there, former ambassador, haven't named a good one, there is an ambassador in place. do we have to be concerned about migration, not only from cuba potentially because of the recent violence but from haiti which was something that precipitated a lot of consternation on immigration policy back in the '90s. >> yes. anytime there's a flare up in haiti, we see people who are willing to risk their lives on these rickety boats to come to the u.s. unfortunately so many lives have been lost in that effort. i think we'll see something like that again. i think the u.s. coast guard does a reasonably effective job addressing it, but there's always some votes that will try and unfortunately it often leads

to death. >> and finally the issue of corruption, how can the international community do anything that's been so ignored in haiti elsewhere in latin america, that really is what poisons the possibility of free and fair elections. >> the fact that the outside influences, is that what you're saying, andrea? unfortunately, haiti is a drug shipment location. that's why you see people from south american countries who are in haiti. it is the only business that's really growing in haiti. they need help from south american governments, which it has been spotty. of course, the u.s. has been there, i certainly would not recommend troops as we did in the '90s going to haiti.

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