and if you're pregnant or planning to be. ♪ ♪ otezla. show more of you. welcome to thursday. "mtp daily." i am garrett haake in for chuck todd. at this hour, we have a lot of action in both chambers of the capitol. senate negotiators try to keep the president's bipartisan infrastructure deal on track. we are also tracking the latest fallout of the house investigation into the

january 6th siege on the capitol, which has taken an ugly but perhaps unhe have itable turn to warfare. the select committee will proceed without any of kevin mccarthy's picks. at a press conference, speaker pelosi was clear her preventing them from sitting on the committee was not negotiable. if that means it proceeds with only her picks, seven democrats and republican, liz cheney, so be it. >> we are there to seek the truth. this is deadly serious. this is about our constitution and country, assault on the capitol, mischaracterized.

>> calling the house investigation a politically driven sham. >> doesn't matter today what she does with that committee, it is not going to change the outcome of what seems like a predetermined, already written report. at the same time she played politics with this for six months, the senate acted. the architect of the capitol has $10 million. >> one point that democrats with liz cheney want to be sure isn't lost here is it didn't have to be this way. here is congresswoman cheney knocking mccarthy with his political ambitions to be house speaker eventually saying she spoke to defend speaker pelosi's move before the speaker did. >> the rhetoric that we have heard from the minority leader is disingenuous. we supported what would have

been the very best option which was a bipartisan independent commission, the minority leader opposed that. he lobbied against it in the senate and the senate blocked it. i think that any person who would be third in line to the presidency must demonstrate commitment to the constitution and commitment to rule of law and minority leader mccarthy has not done that. >> all this leaves the white house trying to navigate the political drama as they hold onto some semblance of bipartisanship on the infrastructure agenda. remember that? >> if republicans and democrats can't come together to investigate the biggest attack on our capitol in 200 years, what makes you think they can come together on anything? >> these people. no, i mean it. i am not being facetious. democrats and republicans. i don't care if you think i am satan reincarnated, the fact is,

you can't look at that television and say nothing happened on the 6th. >> lee ann caldwell joins me to breakdown all this from capitol hill. we now know the committee marching on without members appointed by kevin mccarthy, but doesn't seem like we heard the last word on who might ultimately be on that committee. what more are we learning? >> reporter: that's right, garrett. the eight members currently on it, there could be more now. speaker pelosi has five opportunities to appoint new members now that leader mccarthy removed his members from the committee and there are discussions under way my sources are telling me that perhaps representative adam kinzinger, republican, could be someone that speaker pelosi is to appoint. i am told that representative kinzinger and pelosi are supposed to meet sometime today, so perhaps there will be an announcement or perhaps she will be fully happy with the eight

members that she already has. but the fact is that representative cheney and whatever republican joins her at the blessing of speaker pelosi, if there is one, is going to have a much elevated role and really has the weight of the republican party and framework she sees the republican party on her shoulders, garrett. >> let's talk about that a little more. there's nothing that kevin mccarthy wants more than to call the committee partisan. but it is not. liz cheney is a republican in good standing, a member of leadership not that long ago. how much more critical now is the role she's playing? >> reporter: extremely. there's a lot of as you said republicans are going to say this is a partisan ploy, a sham, this is all speaker pelosi wanted, but it makes it more difficult to have that argument with someone like representative cheney and perhaps another republican serving on the

committee but there's two republican parties at this point. liz cheney is representing one party, especially in the house of representatives, and then leader mccarthy and other republicans like representative banks and jim jordan removed from the committee hugging the former president closely, and that's causing a deep divide, not only in congress but among voters as well. we are seeing it in fundraising numbers, seeing that manifest in different ways. we saw leader mccarthy fundraising this morning, sending an email solicitation, fundraising off the select committee. this is definitely not going away despite the fact leader mccarthy and republicans don't want to be talking about it. one way, it is a blessing this happened because now leader mccarthy can throw bombs from the outside and try to focus on the issues he does want to talk about, which is inflation, how he just opened his news conference.

the border, when he says is defunding the police. those are things that he is going to try to hone in on. but the select committee is going to continue well into next year, and it is going to be a political issue. >> certainly what republicans think, too. lee ann, the senate is getting ready to leave town. where do we stand on partisan infrastructure negotiations, do we think a monday vote is still possible? >> reporter: it is possible. i think there's a lot of frustration with some not in the bipartisan group, the democrats, thinking this is taking way too long. so if this drags out any farther, there's already skepticism that republicans, among democrats, that republicans really want a deal here. this has to come together very quickly or leader schumer will have to come up with another way to move forward on his $3.5 trillion bill. he also needs 50 votes for that,

doesn't seem to have it yet, garrett. >> lee ann caldwell on capitol hill, thank you. on the senate bipartisan infrastructure bill, president biden says he is optimistic that the senate will vote to proceed on the package while hammering out details on monday. biden said he thinks despite current hostile climate -- >> if i do this, i will get primaried and lose my primary. i will be in trouble. but i think that's all beginning to move. i don't mean overnight, don't get me wrong, i am not playing out some panacea here, but i think people are figuring out, i always found you get rewarded for doing what you think at the time is the right thing, if people believe you believe it is the right thing to do.

>> joining me, one of the republicans i know is watching the negotiations closely, north dakota senator kevin kramer. senator, obviously the motion to proceed on infrastructure framework failed yesterday while everyone was watching the house. are you confident the senate can start work on this monday and what do you need to see in the bipartisan package for it to get your vote? >> great points because i am confident, garrett, largely because i trust people that are negotiating, both the republicans and democrats. there's a sincere effort. framework from the beginning was a pretty good start. as you know, it had some wonky pay fors, some things that republicans and democrats objected to, that was major. we know a compromise package will have things we like and don't like. i don't think anyone expects differently. people largely want an infrastructure package to work. we are doing the right work. and i have confidence in them.

i have confidence that we can get to 60. i want to be one of the 60. i talked to other republicans that want to be a yes if they can get there. what i would like to see is preservation of the traditional formula. this is sort of inside highway bill stuff. the formula where it is 90% split, 90, 10% split, states getting 90%, grants being the other 10%. 80/20 between infrastructure and transit. but everything i have seen, there's strong emphasis on traditional infrastructure and things that aren't traditional are still hard infrastructure, so i think it is a good faith effort. i think a lot of people want to get to yes. >> i heard from a lot of republicans who are still linking this bill with the reconciliation package that democrats are working on separately. are you watching that $3.5 trillion out of the corner

of your eye, does that potentially play into how you would vote on this? >> garrett, i from the very beginning always believed that the two are very separate, ought to be judged separately. the merits of each can be judged separately. what democrats do with 3.5 trillion, trying to pass it through their straight partisan means is really irrelevant. if 1.2 trillion, turns out to be 800 billion, 1.1, whatever it turns out to be, if it meets standards i want, including reforms, i want to be for that. what democrats do, i can't control. i can control this. i think it has additional value, the process itself has value of the american people seeing people in congress working together, across party lines to accomplish something good for the country. i think we badly need something like that. this provides that opportunity. >> i think the president of the united states would agree with you. i want to ask you about the

january 6th committee stuff as a former house guy here. we are here because republicans in the senate, yourself included, voted against the bipartisan independent commission that could have codified a seat at the table for republicans, could have taken this outside of congress. i wonder now with what you're seeing in the house, do you regret opposing the commission given the way this has now unfolded? >> i don't regret it because you would have taken what would be a bipartisan commission and still been under control of democrats and would have been turned into a very partisan deal, which by the way is exactly what we're seeing play out in the house. the speaker appoints the commission, she pushes this through. after some reluctance obviously the republican leader kevin mccarthy appoints some republicans and right away, the speaker shows her bias by saying no, we can't have pro-trump republicans, only anal skeptical republicans. and it just exposed the partisan

nature of it. >> is there any way to investigate january 6th that wouldn't be partisan then? >> i think the committee process is exactly the way to do that, that's why we're here, that's why we're elected. that's why in a 50-50 senate, the work of committees have jurisdiction, they did good work, came out with findings helpful going forward, but wanting to expand that, review history in the context of the next election or whatever the case might be, i don't think you need an extra commission and layer of bureaucracy to do that, that can be politicized, we're seeing exactly that play out in the house and you would see the same with a bipartisan commission. >> i want to review history for a little bit. "the washington post" reporters posted some audio from their recent interview, i believe it was in march with the former president who had kind words to say about some of the

individuals that stormed the capitol that day. >> in all fairness, the capitol police were ushering people in. the capitol police were very friendly, you know, they were hugging and kissing, you don't see that. there's plenty of tape on that too because the capitol police were, that's the way it is. but i wanted, i mean personally, what i wanted is what they wanted. they showed up just to show support. >> senator, you were in the capitol on the 6th. you said on the 7th anyone that tries to rationalize, explain away january 6th does a great disservice. you won't excuse it. do you think that's what the former president is doing in this interview? >> i think this is the first time i heard that piece. i noticed at the end he said to show support. i think he has been consistent about that, garrett, that people showing up to show support is one thing, but what i can't rationalize, people that showed up to show support and those

numbers that came to the capitol clearly violating, going over barriers, breaking through doors, walking through broken glass to get there. granted, some of them probably didn't intend to do something as egregious as that, were caught up in the moment, but they were easily persuaded. i don't rationalize it, i don't rationalize anti-cop behavior by anybody. if you rationalize by one side, you lose moral authority on the other side. no, i don't share that view at all. i think everybody that walked through and in that night, regardless of intent, violated law at some level, i am glad to see some prosecutions taking place. may be overly zealous for some people, i would like equal treatment of rioters and law breakers that represent a different political view, however, throughout this country. >> i don't know that there were a lot of rioters in the capitol representing a different political view on that day. i know you're referring to folks

like antifa, protesters in other cities. you get into dangerous territory when you compare those two things in this context. senator, i want to ask you a question on a different topic. we have seen surges because of the delta variant. you're one of a handful of senators decided not to say whether or not you've gotten the vaccine. i wonder what you think your responsibility is to your constituents, how you discuss this with constituents back home. i imagine a lot of folks in north dakota probably trust kevin kramer more than anthony fauci, would trust you if you told them even to talk to their doctors about it. how do you navigate that in north dakota, and what do you think your responsibility is to those folks? >> i think one of the greatest things, the greatest thing about the american experiment, we are self governed democracy, we are not a democracy like the others. north dakota is a savvy people. there's no shortage of information that they can access to make decisions, whether it is anthony fauci, doctors, msnbc,

or another station, or the internet. people are very well informed. they don't need to be lectured to, certainly don't need to be bullied. they respond more negatively than positively to that. and frankly, i prefer to listen to my constituents than lecture them and inform them. i inform them what's going on in congress, i'm not a great informer what's going on in personal health care. i also think, garrett, you know this about me, i want to honor the people that are legitimately skeptical. i don't share that view. i happen to think getting vaccinated is a net gain. i think there's less risk getting vaccinated than not getting vaccinated, i have been clear, but people make decisions themselves, for themselves and for their families with legitimate questions about the vaccines. >> what would qualify as a legitimate question about the vaccine, i am generally curious.

>> we have a vaccine because of operation warp speed i support, without donald trump wouldn't have happen, i don't know another president that would make operation warp speed happen at such warp speed. that said, it hasn't been very long. it hasn't been through the type of rigorous reviews that other vaccines have had, and we are just now seeing some outcomes from that vaccine. so people being hesitant, wanting to wait to see how it plays out is perfectly logical to me. but north dakotans are logical in other ways, know how to take care of themselves, protect themselves and their children. i want to honor personal privacy by the way which is also critical. we can't pray for people's healing in church any more because it would out their health situations, so i don't know why we should be outing everybody's personal decision on vaccinations. >> i'm not sure who is telling uh-uh can't pray for people's

health in church. you're welcome to pray for mine, i will pray for yours. thank you for coming on. i am going to ask a doctor on the panel later about questions about the vaccine. for folks that might be curious about that portion of the hesitancy question, we'll come back to it later. thank you for raising it. we'll ask the professionals. up next, president biden pleading with people to get vaccinated as the white house announces new funding to try to stop the spread. and sending covid s.w.a.t. teams to hardest-hit places. we're live in one of the new hot spots next. e live in one of thet spots next the instant air purifier removes 99.9% of the virus that causes covid-19 from treated air. so you can breathe easier, knowing that you and your family have added protection. ♪ ♪ ♪ knowing that you and your fam someone once told me,ion. that i should get used to people staring.

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welcome back. the white house is boosting funding for vaccine outreach and covid testing as a fourth wave of the virus threatens to take over the country. the administration will invest $100 million into vaccine efforts in rural areas. $1.6 billion into covid testing in high risk settings like

prisons, shelters. the delta variant is driving the virus resurgence, nearly 30 states have seen cases more than double in the last two weeks. some places like l.a. county, local officials reissue mask mandates regardless of vaccination status. we'll talk to the health director in a minute. first, let's go to heidi. they're sending relief to combat the surge. what are you seeing on the ground, how are people reacting to new actions that local officials are trying to take to control the spread. >> reporter: federal officials have long been concerned about a second pandemic among the unvaccinated. and they fear that moment has arrived. you can see it here in las vegas where vaccination rates are only at about 38% for fully vaccinated. the effect of that is that hospitalizations, case rates are all at numbers we have not seen since february, garrett.

nbc listened to a commission hearing the other day, they voted to mask up for indoor employees, and blow back to that was indicative how difficult this is going to be to tame the wave in vegas. individuals talking about masks like child abuse, having to send children to school in masks. they talked about supplements being the cure and denied some of them that people hospitalized actually need to be there. >> and heidi, talk to me about a surge team that the biden administration is sending to nevada to fight the virus. what are they doing, what can they do to be useful? >> so we are here in a vegas fire house. right behind the doors behind me is the health and human services secretary, who is receiving a briefing from local officials who are going to be working together with what is here the largest surge team anywhere in the country because of climbing numbers.

what they'll be doing will be a little different in each state, depending on demands. the governor requested them to come. here we are told by local officials, they mostly want technical and logistical support, helping go to grocery stores to try to spread the word to individuals, try to get those vaccination rates up. but local officials here are very concerned because we're seeing many of the same trends we saw at the beginning of the pandemic, including infection rates escalating at nursing homes, garrett. >> heidi, thank you very much. joining me, dr. barbara ferrer, director of los angeles county public health. biggest county, reinstated a mask mandate, regardless of vaccination status. i understand the desire to protect people. i wonder whether you worry it might be harder on the vaccination front that you are asking residents that have been vaccinated to take a step back. >> thank you so much, garrett,

for inviting me. i appreciate the question. you know clearly we have a doubling of cases every ten days now. today we'll be reporting 2700 new cases. some of those cases unfortunately occur amongst people who are fully vaccinated, as we see more post infections among vaccinated people because there's so much community transmission. i think really most people have been extraordinarily positive about adding a layer of protection. i like to think of it as raining outside, you pull out your umbrella. it starts pouring outside. you're going to get wet unless you add a rain coat. the umbrellas are vaccinations, they're powerful and very, very effective, when you have a lot of community transmission. one of the ways to start slowing down that transmission is we get more people fully vaccinated is

in fact to add an extra layer of protection and those are, in fact, masks that we'll wear whenever indoors around other people. >> extend the metaphor. if rain comes down sideways, you stay home. do you anticipate the possibility you may have to put in place more restrictions, capacity limits, limits to indoor dining we got familiar with in the last year? >> we're hopeful that we're not going in that direction at all. last year we did not have the vaccines, here in l.a. county, we have 61% of our population 12 and over fully vaccinated, over 70% of folks 12 and older had at least one dose. we didn't have that last year. so you had to rely on other public health safety measures. that's not the case. we think indoor masking if we have high compliance with that, people are careful, continue to wash their hands, really engage in what we call safe social

behavior, don't augment risk, really understand that, we are back to high community transmission levels we can get through this with sensible precautions that are already being implemented in l.a. county right now. >> you may have heard senator kramer say one of the reasons his constituents in north dakota are sometimes hesitant to take the vaccine is the idea it was developed so fast and it is so new, they don't trust potential long term effects. i imagine people in l.a. county may have that concern. i wonder what you would say to them. >> i think again that i want to be very respectful of where people are falling in terms of those people that have already come in, really understood how powerful the vaccines were, were able to make that choice to come and get vaccinated. those folks that have questions and concerns about the vaccine safety, because it was in fact just developed a year ago. we try to go door to door and

answer questions, provide information. we try to dispel some of the false myths circulating. we trained a bunch of residents, parents, students, so that they as peers, the heart of it is answering people's questions. the vaccines were developed quickly but are based on technologies that have been years in the making and have in fact been tested with other vaccines. confidence in public health that we are asking people to get vaccinated with one of the safest vaccines we've ever had, but we have to answer people's questions and we do have to attend to some of the myths, false myths that have been spreading like wildfire in some communities. i think going door to door really engaging the community based organizations with other leaders, with the faith community, so people have the

same good information i have as they make decisions. >> i really appreciate that answer. doctor, i want to ask about children. the largest unvaccinated population left in the country are those under 12. are you seeing by that fact or the delta variant in l.a. county, increases in kids getting sick or hospitalized? >> we have increases in cases amongst everybody right now so really pretty much across the board we see increases in cases, with the smallest increases in cases happening among people that are older because here in l.a. county, if you're over 65, about 80% of fully vaccinated. there we are seeing less infection being transmitted. with younger people as well as middle aged adults, we have increase in transmission. i think fortunately for younger

children, we don't see significant increase in hospitalizations. i want to note hospitalizations have always lagged slightly behind the increase in community transmission. as we see more and more cases, we do expect as we started to see, we had a doubling of hospitalizations, we expect that a proportion of that will in fact happen among people predominantly that are not vaccinated, that may include children as well. we are watching that very carefully because it might indicate children in the past have really not had to be hospitalized at any rates similar to adults, if we start seeing a big increase there, it will also be additional evidence that the delta variant is not only more easily transmitted but that it can cause more serious illness. >> thank you very much. up next, reality check, continued reality check on how

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asking is on everyone's mind, how bad is the latest covid surge, how bad will it get. in two weeks, the country's average case load has more than doubled to 40,000 daily new cases. a rate we haven't seen since early may. deaths and hospitalizations are rising, too, but at a slower rate than cases, almost exclusively among the unvaccinated, according to the cdc. half all americans remain unvaccinated and vulnerable. number of shots administered per day is down 20% in the last two weeks. vaccinations and testing are the only two metrics declining, and they're the key to getting us out of this pandemic. joining me to answer those very questions and more, dr. michael osterholm from university of minnesota. thank you for being here. just looking at that national picture, give it to us straight. are we in a fourth wave, and how bad could this one be? >> first of all, we have to

remember there's one number that we should focus on and that is that there's 100 million americans who have not been vaccinated, nor have they had covid, therefore remain susceptible to the virus. this is a large number of people with the highly infectious delta variant. we have to be mindful. we have a sizable portion vaccinated, which means in a sense this won't be as bad as any surges in the past. we are still in for tough days ahead. >> the white house late last week talked about this as a pandemic for the unvaccinated. do you think that's true given concerns about the delta variant, break through cases, l.a. county telling people to put masks back on. is this a tale of two pandemics in this country or do we all need to be cautious about what's happening? >> well, clearly this is a

pandemic right now in the united states of the unvaccinated. you think about it globally, it also is because the vast majority of the world had no access to vaccine. i think the question becomes where might this next surge go. we are surely in a surge. states are showing increases. i think the things most people don't realize, look at louisiana, arkansas, missouri, florida, mississippi, the rate of increase in the number of cases in hospital and actually in icu care exceeds what we saw in the january surge in terms of the trajectory. grant you that we've had many more people over age 65 vaccinated, that in the past is where you saw most of the deaths. the risk of serious illnesses is

less in kids than the total number of them in the population means we're still seeing major challenges in the icu care, and seeing very, very sick people in those young adult into middle age adult populations. >> you mentioned a couple of problematic states, the white house covid-19 response team gave a briefing, pointed out startling numbers about a few states. this state, three states, florida, texas, missouri. three states with lower vaccination rates accounted for 40% of all cases nationwide. for the second week in a row, one in five of all cases occurring in florida alone. >> doctor, what do you make of that. obviously florida and texas are big states, florida is in the middle of the vaccination picture there, 27th out of 50, not on the bottom of the vaccination picture, so how do

you view those numbers? >> well, first of all, it doesn't matter where you are in the vaccination picture in terms of numbers, it is about what is your number. even in those locations with 60 or 70% of population vaccinated, the question is do you have large pockets of people who are not vaccinated who live in that very state. so in the end, the virus will find you, if in fact you're not vaccinated. you can't wait out the clock. that's important. the second issue here has been raised, remember last summer when we had a big surge, it was primarily in the southern sun belt states. others asked maybe that's what will happen here, maybe four or five states will happen like we saw in april, michigan and minnesota were hit hard with alpha variant, most of the rest of the country spared. what's different is we are seeing increases around the country. i pointed out, all 50 states and district of columbia are seeing

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and also carlos car bell oh, former congressman from florida, now msnbc political analyst. mark, start with you. what can you tell us about new sanctions, potentially how they'll play in south florida. >> i imagine they're going to play marc caputo? >> well, i would think that they would expect biden to ease the sanctions and now he is slow walking, and now it appears he is going to do something, but these are targeted sanctions similar to what the united states did against the russian regime official, but it is a how many people these can apply to, because cuba has complicated relation, because there is so many people with money in the united states, and part of this is rhetorical and part of it is showing up to be present and now biden's administration is showing that it is doing that. there are progressives and the folks on the left who don't like

this, and they want to have biden make good on the promise to roll back the sanctions, and he is doing the opposite, and going forward to sanction the individuals, and to keep in place the embargoes. >> and there is a magnitsky act, too. and can you go through the foreign policy rabbit hole a little bit and explain that a little bit this is >> yes, that is what i was talking about how it freezes the bank accounts of individuals who can have bank accounts to be frozen and economic activity that can be interfered with the united states, and that was effective for trump who also had venezuelan influence, but this

is not sure how the concrete practical effect will have, but it is symbolic and rhetorical effect. it is communicating to cuba and the nation at large and the international community that biden's administration right now is not interested in rolling back sanctions or the accused of being soft on cuba, and doing the opposite. >> carlos, as someone who knows something about winning elections in florida, same first question to you, how do you see this playing in florida, the sanctions announced by the white house today, treasury department today technically speaking? >> well, like mark said, for the biden administration, it is important to show that they are doing what they can to hold the cuban regime accountable for the way they have cracked down violently, brutally against these peaceful demonstrators in havana, and look, the democratic party has lost a lot of ground here in recent years in the

election results. this is for the hispanic community in south florida that they want to do everything they can to oppose the regimes like the regime in cuba and venezuela and nicaragua and others, and the majority of those communities live here as well, so this is not just to implement good policy as marc said, but to help the president's cause politically in this area. >> if you were to change the channel up a couple of notches and i don't recommend other people to do that, but you would see other people talking about cuba, cuba, representative scott, and pompeo and others who are republicans waging a broader war here, and this is obviously the granddaddy of them all when

it comes to the presidential politics? >> well, the republicans do show up here in south florida, and the trump administration, and you can agree or disagree with the policies on latin america, but they invest a lot of political capital there in those policies and talking about it, and the president used to come down here and hold events. vice president pence came down here once or twice, and what the democrats have to do is to not just get the policy right which is important, but show that they care about the issues, and it seems that the biden administration understands that. they are taking a vastly different approach to cuba than the obama administration did. mr. biden was president obama's vice president, but it seems some political lessons have been learned here. >> and so how radioactive is the word being a socialist in south florida, carlos? >> it is a bad word here,

garrett. it is a bad word. anything that sounds like socialism is immediately associated with figures like fidel and raul castro, and maduro and the dictator there in nicaragua, and also the leader in colombia, and all of the victims of those dictators live here, and there is concentration here. so when president biden said the other that obviously communism was a failed ideology and socialism was not a good substitute, it resonated with a lot of people here, and quite frankly surprised a lot of people, because they have been told by a lot people that going back that biden was a socialist. >> you have succinctly summed it up in your piece in politico,

marc, but it is not just a miami issue anymore. >> you is the various wannabes who want to be the presidential candidates talking about it like josh hawley, and other republicans throughout the nation who have adopted the discussion that we first heard here in south florida about socialism, and applied it nationwide. trump picked it up and it has been a watch word and rallying cry for republicans since. >> carlos cuebelo and marc caputo, thank you. make sure that you watch "cuba's fight for freedom" also picked up by my colleague carlos belart on telemundo. we will be back tomorrow on

"meet the press daily." we will have more coverage with my colleague geoff bennett coming up. ue geoff bennett coming up.

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♪♪ it is great to be with you. i'm geoff bennett and we start on capitol hill where the democrats are undeterred by the republican opposition for the committee to investigate the january 6th insurrection, and this afternoon the members of the select committee were seen huddling in house speaker n