equivalent weekends coming up soon, they're able to get this under control. but they're really try to send a message if you're booking a weekend to provincetown, they want you here, but they would love if you would please get vaccinated. >> get vaccinated, show you're vaccinated. antonia hylton, great to see you once again. i'm yasmin vossoughian. i'll be back tomorrow, 3:00 p.m. eastern. "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening and welcome to "politicsnation." tonight's lede, truth without reconciliation. on tuesday, a house select committee begins its investigation of the january 6th insurrection, a rebellion unlike anything we've seen since the

civil war. barring any last-minute changes, the panel will consist of seven democrats and one renegade republican. house minority leader kevin mccarthy was given the opportunity to appoint five republicans but took his ball and went home after speaker pelosi rejected two trump loyalists that he put forward. congressman jim jordan of ohio and gym banks of indiana both made no secret of their plans to undermine the probe. history will decide whether pelosi was right to sacrifice the appearance of bipartisanship in favor of a sober and serious investigation. but the gravity of the moment is clear, based on evidence we've already seen with our own eyes. we all saw the trump perpetrate the big lie that he won the election for months without evidence.

we watched as he and his enablers gathered trump's most fervent supporters in d.c. and whipped them into a frenzy with hours of incendiary speeches. and we witnessed that mob storm the capitol, outfitted for battle, not peaceful protest. the aim was to overturn an election based on the notion some voters are more legitimate than others, and votes from urban areas where black and brown people tend to cast their ballots are inherently corrupt and should be subjected to additional scrutiny when the outcome doesn't go their way. the capitol is secure now, but this element of insurrection continues. it's present in the wildly unprofessional election audit in arizona that republicans now want to replicate nationwide. texas state representative steve

tot this week called for an audit of the larger counties in the state that mostly went for biden. "the washington post" notes, quote, asked if he would consider something of the smaller counties, he replied, what's the point? i mean, all the small counties are red. end quote. it was a rare bit of honest from an elected republican that unwittingly made speaker pelosi's case about the existential importance of this investigation to our democracy. with us now is congressman hakeem jeffries of new york, chairman of the democratic caucus and a member of the judiciary committee. congressman, president biden spoke last night about the importance of the january 6th commission. take a listen. >> listen. i mean, think about it. turn on the television every day

and seeing the replay of what happened on january 6th and saying i was told there are a lot of peaceful, wonderful people, god -- no, i really mean it. think about it. it is bizarre. we have to keep cutting through the republican fog the government is the problem and show that we, the people, are the solution. >> what are your thoughts about what the president had to say? >> the president is exactly correct. we have two political parties right now, democrats who are living in reality, and republicans who are living in fantasy land. democrats believe in democracy. the republicans believe in autocracy. democrats believe in the rule of law. republicans believe in the big lie. democrats believe in the constitution. and republicans, of course, are busy pedaling crackpot conspiracy theories. and so we are, as president

biden indicated, going to have to cut through the fog of misinformation and misdirection that republicans continue to put out there to try to confuse the american people. >> and when i said in the opening about an existential threat, i mean we're talking not about some partisan bickering. we're talking about whether or not we investigate the absolute attempt to take and storm the capitol of the united states for the announced purposes of stopping the certification of an election the american people had voted on. as we mentioned, house minority leader kevin mccarthy is essentially boycotting the commission at this point. as a result, speaker pelosi is reportedly considering adding other republican voices to the panel herself, including congressman adam kinzinger of illinois who, like congresswoman cheney, voted to impeach trump

for his actions on january 6th. do you think adding more republicans to the investigation, even if they are trump critics, will add to the credibility of its findings? >> that's a decision flash speaker pelosi will make in partnership and consultation with chairman benny thompson and the members of the select committee. and i remain confident they'll do the right thing in setting us on a course that is serious and sober and solemn and substantive and designed to bring about the truth in terms of what happened on january 6th, why it happened, and uncovering and putting forth to the american people how do we prevent that type of violent insurrection and attack on the capitol, the congress, and the constitution from ever happening again. that's what the select committee investigation is going to be all about, beginning with the hearing that will take place this upcoming tuesday. now, republicans who oppose the

january 6th commission have argued there's no need to relive the events of that day, and yet at the same time many of them are supporting sham audits and voter restriction bills they claim are to address the concerns of americans who refuse to accept the results of the election because they bought into trump's big lie. can you talk about how the work of the january 6th commission relates to efforts democrats in the congress are making to protect voting rights for everyone at the federal level? >> the attack on the capitol waunz effort to undermine our democracy and the principle of government of the people, by the people, and for the people. which, as you know, rev, and you fought for this, is brought about by giving every single american to right to vote and allow their voice to be heard in

choosing who is going to govern at every level, city, state, and federal. and so you have those individuals on the republican side of the aisle who are denying the reality of what happened on january 6th, even though it was a violent attack, an insurrection, and instead of running toward our democracy, they're running away from our democracy and have launched this voter suppression epidemic across the country trying to take away the right to vote largely in black and brown and low-income communities. it's shameful and we're not going to let it happen. we are going to get h.r. 1 and h.r. 4, the john robert lewis voting rights act, over the finish line no matter what it takes. >> and that's important. let me go to another pressing issue facing congress right now. it's infrastructure. a key republican from the bipartisan senate group working on the $579 billion plan says

they're working through weekend and could have a deal by early next week. are you confident that the senate can hammer out an agreement house democrats can get behind? >> i'm confident that we are going to get to a place where we'll have both a bipartisan infrastructure agreement that makes necessary investments in terms of fixing or bridges, roads, mass transit system and perhaps invest in housing and other forms of infrastructure like broadband access for people in inner city america and rural america. but at the same time, we are also going to have to work the law broader reconciliation package that addresses some of the other needs of the american people such as investing in the caring economy, home care, child care, long-term care, health care, as well as doing infrastructure investments in a sustainable, resilient, and green fashion.

ultimately at the end of the day i'm confident, rev, that we're going to be able to proceed along both tracks and do what's necessary for the american people in order to build back better. >> all right. you know, one of our staff at "politicsnation" said what's with the congressman's pink tie and your light three-piece suit? we're just two brothers from brooklyn trying to make a difference. thank you. let's fwling two former members of congress, democrat donna edwards and former republican david jolly. let me start with the house committee to investigate the january 6th insurrection. minority leader kevin mccarthy named multiple people who voted after the insurrection to overturn the election and speaker of the house nancy pelosi vetoed those choices. here's what the speaker had to say. >> these people are going to act up, cause a problem, and people said to me, put them on and then

when they act up, you can take them off. i said, why should we waste time on something as predictable? it is my responsibility as speaker of the house to make sure we get to the truth on this, and we will not let their antics stand in the way of that. >> donna, liz cheney's presence on this committee makes it bishop, even if no other republicans are appointed. do they have a better chance of getting to the truth without mccarthy's fix? >> i do think that speaker pelosi was right on this because we've seen particular from jim jordan's past behavior that he was going to be there just to cause sort of the clown act, the circus act in the committee, the what-aboutism, the blaming of the things. and what the speaker said is what happened on january 6th is of such paramount importance to our democracy and, you know, the

challenge of insurrectionists storming the capitol, that we really need to get to the bottom of this. there is so much more to learn about what happened on january 6th. and so i think this is going to be a bipartisan committee whether or not mccarthy appoints his members or not or has them show up or not. but there was no need to turn this into a circus and that undoubtedly would have happened with them on the committee. >> recent polling from cbs news shows the partisan divide on the insurrection, while 67% of americans agree that it was an attempt to overturn the election, only a third of trump supporters agree. a majority of americans characterize it correctly in my opinion as an insurrection. but only 20% of trump supporters

do. would the presence of someone like jim jordan on the committee really have moved those people to seeing the investigation as legitimate? >> no. look, it would have allowed republicans to continue to exercise this narrative that it was not related to donald trump's behavior, that these were not republicans that stormed the capitol, although we know they were. and so, you know, kevin mccarthy faced a choice. do we participate in the panel and try to quash down the truth, if you will? or does he set up a scenario which he executed properly for kevin mccarthy's world? conflicting one over on nancy pelosi. nancy pelosi made the right decision, she did the right thing, she's on the right side of the truth and the politics. but what kevin mccarthy did is he put in front of the speaker a good choice and a, say, rodney davis, someone's universally liked on both sides of the aisle, and a jim jordan who was

destined to disrupt the committee. so what kevin mccarthy wanted to do along was take his ball and leave because he wants to be able to run from the truth of january 6th and tell the voters that this is just a nancy pelosi witch hunt. at the end of the day, though, rev, i would say this. i don't think it matters as much the members who are sitting on the backside as it does the witnesses on the front side. the truth will come out regardless of whether these are democrat or republican members. they will hear the witnesses and the truth. it doesn't matter from which party they are asking the questions. >> according to brand-new numbers from the brennan center, 18 states, 18, have passed 30 laws restricting access to the ballot while zero states have presented any evidence of widespread voter fraud. meanwhile, "the new york times" is reporting that white house officials think it is possible to, quote, out-organize voter

suppression. donna, didn't we already out-organize voter suppression in 2020 by electing a democratic president, house, and senate? and will activists continue to sacrifice for democrats if they fail to address these violations of our civil rights and voting rights once in office? i mean, we're not talking about having to out-organize, we're talking about the right to vote being protected. >> yeah, to me this is a moral question of the right to vote. and one should not have to out-organize the opposition in order to cast a ballot freely and fairly in the united states of america. and i think that, you know, as the president has described and i agree with him, that this is an existential threat to democracy and that these are laws that are remnants of jim crow, then we need to treat the threat like that by moving

expeditiously to pass a john lewis voting rights enhancement act and also the for the people act, that these combined things are what will push back on the efforts by republicans to counter a narrative of voter suppression which was not true by creating these laws to disenfranchise voters. and so it's to suppress the vote. i spent a lot of time, rev, both organizing and doing voter registration. millions and millions and millions of dollars every cycle to register voters and turn them out, but that is not in the face of laws that are designed to keep people home. >> now, the former president is headed to phoenix, arizona, tonight for a rally. he's calling it save our election. but despite the months-long

audit being put on a trump-supporting firm called cyber ninjas, just four cases of fraud have been found in the state. split evenly between republicans and democrats. david, what's the point of all of this? >> you know, you often look at donald trump and these moments and think the man's delusional. and perhaps you could argue he is. but what he's doing is very important, rev, because it's not that it's stoking the base, though that's important. he's giving political cover to state republican legislators across the down engage in rigging the election through voter suppression laws and through changing the rules in how votes are counted and disputes are actually settled. that's how democracy is in peril. republicans don't have the popular vote on their side, so they're resorting to cheating. what donald trump is doing is he is giving political cover to state legislators in these republican states to allow them to essentially formalize the

cheating into state law. >> donna edwards and david jolly, thank you both. coming up on "politicsnation," between books and federal bookings, trump's life post-presidency is far from a glamorous. plus, the fight against vaccine misinformation and making sure minorities are equipped to fight climbing coronavirus cases. but first, my colleague, richard lui, with today's top news stories. richard? >> rev, good saturday to you. today marks one month since the deadly condo collapse in surfside, florida, after painstaking dangerous excavation work that included 12-hour shifts. firefighters officially ended recovery efforts at the condo site friday. one missing person remains unidentified. 97 are confirmed dead. a u.s. appeals court is lifting federal covid restrictions on cues ships operating from florida's ports. the state long argued cdc

restrictions made it tough for the industry after being shut down for nearly 16 months. the decision applies only to ships zpargt or arriving in florida. jay thomas major was sworn in as chief of the new u.s. capitol police. major is a 42-year-old law enforcement veteran. he served over two decades as police chief in maryland and virginia. he came out of retirement to take the position as the em battled department works to recover from the january 6th attack on the capitol. more "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton right after this break. there's an america we build and one we explore. one that's been paved and one that's forever wild. but freedom

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followed your more authoritarian tendencies, years longer. but despite your big lie, you lost fair and square. and unlike your predecessor, president obama, your post-presidency life hasn't exactly been smooth sailing. i'm sure you envisioned yourself holding court at mar-a-lago, the republican leader to whom all other republicans would bow down, and while some of the more spineless republicans have done just that, the reality of your post-presidency life has been much more choppy. just this week your friend and inauguration committee chair was indicted on seven different charges. though he says he's planning to plead not guilty. this soon after multiple indictments were made public against your company, the trump organization and its longtime

cfo, allen weisselberg. that's a big bloerks particularly as your own incompetence made it some of the worst in history. your racist rhetoric from the campaign and presidency cost you millions in licensing deals, and your big lie and the insurrection on january 6th caused some of your political partners to disavow you entirely. and while your cool indifference during the covid pandemic crippled the entire travel industry, including hotels like yours, if that wasn't enough, a wave of tell-all books are giving the american people a window into your administration, and it's not a pretty picture. anecdotes in these best sellers include a section of michael bender's book in which senior

officials questioning your mental health, which would make sense because portions of the same book describe you praising hitler to chief of staff john kelly and according to excerpts from a book by carol leonnig and philip rucker, your leadership almost led to the accidental invasion of nigeria. and after all that, you boasted that you could beat george washington in an election. it's enough to make you a loving stock, and even your former so-called friends have taken notice. here's what super bowl champion tom brady had to say at the white house tuesday. >> a lot of people, you know, think that we could have won, and, in fact, i think 40% of the people still don't think we could have on. >> i understand that. >> you understand that, mr. president? >> donald, you've always been a bit of a ridiculous figure with your extreme spray tan and

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welcome back to "politicsnation." covid-19 cases are on the rise across the country, and with it, the critical fight against vaccine misinformation. there are growing concerns over the delta variant amid the

backdrop of declining vaccination rates. but medical professionals are still hoping to see an uptick in communities of color getting the vaccine. like that of newark, new jersey. joining me now is dr. shareef l. nahal, president and ceo of newark university hospital and former new jersey department of health commissioner. doctor, i understand that your hospital will mandate all staff to have the coronavirus vaccine. we're also seeing this happen in new york city. this decision, of course, has been met with debate. tell us why you stand behind this, and what do you say to people who don't agree. let's educate people before we mandate them and they're still skeptical when it comes to the vaccine among others. >> thank you so much for having me on, reverend. so yes, we are mandating the

vaccine. it actually kicks in in less than ten days. that's not the only thing we're doing. we're having tough conversations with employees that are skeptical up to this point. they have a lot of reasonable concerns like what are the side effects, what are the long-term effects and something we're discovering is that a lot of people are still seeing a lot of misinformation and disinformation on social media outlets like facebook. but we're coming to the table with a baseline level of trust with our frontline workers, our health care heroes. we supported them throughout the pandemic. we recognized the history of medical racism and contrasted what we're trying to do now with the horrific episodes in the past like tuskegee. and i think it's really working. one example we have, almost everyone got a vaccine after less than an hour of conversation. so i do think we're making progress. >> doctor, you worked closely with biden and the obama administrations amid public

health crises. what has president biden done right when it comes to combatting coronavirus, and what is his administration still missing the mark on? >> first and most important thing is that he overtly recognized the issues folks in our community are facing every day, by recognizing that black and brown people have borne the were you not of this pandemic, the number one cause of death in black and brown people in 2020. and he acted on that. he formed a health equity task force, a health equity lead in the white house who reports directly to him and all of that really worked in terms of helping to build trust. another thing he did was he really respects the autonomy of the cdc and fda. and i think that is understood and it is really understood by the community here.

in the example of the johnson & johnson, we're seeing cases, at one point there was an investigation and ultimately it was recommended that it's still safe. but the point that she is letting those agencies do their job and follow the science. >> now, it is a known fact that the pandemic disproportionately impacted people of color, especially those who are black and brown. in a study conducted by rutgers university and published in the journal of american medical association, vaccine skepticism in new jersey was highest among black and latinx residents. it says fear, illness, and loss experienced during the pandemic motivated information-seeking and mitigation behaviors. vaccine skepticism was high, as was demand for clearer information. among black participants, racism and medical experimentation was

associated with distrust, end quote. if minorities are hesitant to get the vaccine, it's because trauma caused by the pandemic, what effects might this have on those communities long term? >> well, it's important to understand that you have to address these conversations with an understanding of the history. if you don't, i think you lose trust pretty quickly. so we've acknowledged the tuskegee experiment. we acknowledged the cells that were taken from johns hopkins and used for science without crediting the scientist. we're doing two mobile vaccination events today. what we're doing beforehand is going door to door and having conversations with people. at one point we do make are the

exact states you just quoted, about how the exact virus has killed proportionally more black and brown people. >> tuskegee was when they wouldn't give penicillin to black men, not that they were giving them shots. but it's not just skepticism anymore. it's also the misinformation preventing people from getting their shots. let's talk about your city, newark. what are medical professionals like yourself doing to combat misinformation about the vaccine, especially in communities of color? >> one thing we've learned is you can't have these conversations from the podium. you can't do it on camera it has to be in person. that's why i'm having lunches personally with our employees. i can't abide by the risk any longer of us spreading this disease amongst ourselves and certainly to the community of vulnerable patients that we see

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select committee on the january 6th insurrection slated to begin its hearings next week, you can expect the focus on the documented presence of white supremacist organizations and members among those that breached the capitol. as the federal investigation continues to draw alleged extremists into the dragnet and many of them are found to have

once defended the country they would later debase. joining me now is tallia levine, author of "culture war lords: my journey into the dark web of white supremacy." thank you for joining us tonight. before we get into the 1/6 committee next week, in your book you went undercover on the white supremacy and extremist dark web for a year. you spent time on their sites and tried to attend their functions, at great danger to yourself as a jewish woman. with that experience in mind, i wonder if you were at all surprised by the events of january 6th, and more specifically, that there was such a white nationalist presence among the insurrectionists. >> thank you so much for having me on. so, no, i wasn't surprised. i mean, i think the main thing

that i learned over the course of research for my book is that these people are very committed foes to multiracial democracy and are ready to engage in violence in order to impose their vision onto the country. and obviously the january 6th insurrection was very much an act of violence that we saw. i would say, just sort of the instinctle horror of it was the way it was a continuation of a trend i had been watching throughout 2020, particularly throughout the pandemic where you saw in addition to neo-nazis, you saw a spectrum of white-ring groups, including

militias, radicalized trump supporters. throughout 2020's protests and other right-wing events, particularly anti-vaccine and anti-lockdown protests, we saw cross-pollination of these groups. white nationalists were a huge part of it, either participants, and still are seeking to convert other sectors of the far right into their cancerous ideology. >> in your work you covered a number of different right-king movements, from white supremacist driven by hatred of immigrants and racial minorities, to militia groups that embrace a kind of extreme nationalism and conspiracy theorists such as qanon and followers of them. we've seen the qanon followers and with our eyes on president

trump, he said and did things to appeal quite directly to these groups. do you think it would be fair to say trump in some ways built the coalition that stormed the capitol on january 6th? could this have happened without him, is what i'm getting to? and what does it mean now that the republican party has largely accepted radicalizing movements as a means to grow its base? >> yeah, i mean, i think what you're saying is absolutely true. i mean, in trump you had someone who was willing to harness the most radical elements of the far right in sense for gratification of his own ego. in the lead-up to january 6th,

you know, i was among a group of people who were really concerned about violence around the election given the conspiracy theories and disinformation that we were seeing. and so i actually embedded with a militia group. i was sort of secretly under a false identity, part of their communication channels. and it was truly remarkable to see in this clandestine fashion. they were raising conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory the way that donald trump was so central to their worldview. however, since then, you are correct to point out that far from shying away from these radical elements, the republican party has embraced them more and more. we're seeing prospective candidates for 2022 that have come to political activism through qanon, through these movements, through anti-vax

movements so that the blurring of the lines between the gop and the radical fringe right is only going to continue. and that crosses the slate from school boards from state legislatures to congress. >> wow. you know, so this is the most troubling part for me. your writing tells me we're on the same page because according to reporting i've seen from you, about 13% of arrests for the insurrection has been current or retired military personnel. then you have roughly a third of military personnel, half of nonwhite service members saying they've been exposed to white nationalist racism within their ranks. according to a military times survey in 2019. and then you have groups like the oath keepers, which actively recruit from the military. according to fbi and one of the alleged leaders of the oath

keepers presence on january 6th was a naval intelligence vet with a high-level security clearance, according to his attorney. your thoughts on that connection. >> yeah. gosh, i could talk about this for hours, but i'll keep it under a minute. so i think there's two reasons why there's such a white supremacy problem in the military -- or many. but here are a couple of the reasons. so one is that white nationalist groups and extremist groups actively encourage their members to join the military in order to acquire skills with weapons, in order to acquire combat training so that they will then be able to employ those skills as part of these violent groups. so that's been actually very consistent over the decades. and the second part that i'd like to address is that veterans

are extremely high-value recruits for supremacist groups, particularly militias. militias in my experience with my undercover work and also just looking at their public propaganda, militias militias sort of imitate military rhetoric. they talk about defending the country. they talk about patriotism and being patriots. that was, certainly, part of their rhetoric around the january-6th insurrection. and so, they also -- they also sort of imitate military structures, in their hierarchies. they have commanders. they use, you know, commands. they talk about discipline, and have field-training exercise. >> wow. >> exercises. so, you know -- so, for veterans returning from warfare, who may not have adequate-social support. who may be struggling. um, may be feeling purposeless or alienated in civilian society. to rejoin these extremist groups

that, in essence, mimic and -- and re-create military structures. >> wow. fascinating. >> yeah. and then, the other -- just quickly, the other thought that i wanted to -- to make is that, you know, as i write in my article, the u.s. military has physically relocated for the past two decades, a lot of their bases are in south and west and in conservative areas. so, they have a structural disincentive not to condemn extremist groups. not to sort of come out too strongly against militias, against the sort of patriot movement because they don't want to alienate the communities they are a part of. and they don't want to alienate potential recruits. >> where they're located. >> so a structural disincentive in the military. >> all right. author thank you for being with us. up next my final thoughts. stay with us. up next my final t. stay with us press business card,

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for another live hour of "politics nation." my colleague, alicia menendez, picks up our news coverage, now. thank you so much, reverend sharpton. hello, everyone. i'm alicia menendez. we are keeping an eye on former-president trump, as he prepares to take the stage in phoenix. not far from where the cyber ninjas' audit is still going down. and his faithful flock, gathering to see him tonight. well aware, and have, clearly, bought into the lie that fraud cost trump arizona in 2020. >> there is just the -- the amount of ballot dumps and everything that were happening in the middle of the night. and i mean, we've seen signature counts not -- not matching up. i am 100% sure that he won the 2020 election. there is no way that joe biden got 80 million votes. he can barely get eight people to show up to his town halls. >> but, you see, feelings are not facts. numbers certified, over and over, again, just don't back up that feeling.