for witnesses, to appropriate staff, at all meetings of the select committee. without objection, the committee stands adjourned. there you go. welcome to "mtp daily." the emotional, disturbing first hearing by the house select committee. four officers gave firsthand accounts what it was really like to battle an insurrection as we all saw. before i play you testimony, we're about to show some graphic, disturbing images and some offensive language. apologies for that. >> more afraid to work at the

capitol than my entire deployment to iraq. rioters called me traitor, a disgrace, shouted that i, i, an army veteran and police officer, should be executed. >> i was grabbed, beaten, tased, while being called a traitor to my country. i was at risk of being stripped of and killed with my own firearm, as i heard chants of kill him with his own gun. i can still hear it in my head today. >> they knocked me over, tried to steal my baton. one latched onto my face, got his thumb in my right eye. i cried out in pain, managed to shake him off. >> one woman in a pink maga shirt yelled, you hear that, guys, this nigger voted for joe biden. the crowd around 20 people

joined in screaming boo [bleep]. another black officer later told me he had been confronted by insurrectionists in the capitol who told him put your gun down, we'll show you what kind of [bleep] you are. >> ahead of today's testimony, house republicans defended their decision not to participate in the committee's work and echoed talking points from the former president which he released, falsely suggesting speaker of the house nancy pelosi was to blame for the attack. some of the emotional testimony was heard and addressed those efforts by many elected republicans to whitewash, defend, down play the attack in defense of the former president. >> what makes the struggle harder and more painful is to know so many fellow citizens, including so many people i put my life at risk to defend are down playing or outright denying

what happened. i feel like i went to hell and back to protect them and the people in this room. but too many are now telling me hell doesn't exist. or that hell actually wasn't that bad. the indifference shown to my colleagues is disgraceful. but nothing, truly nothing, has prepared me to address those elected members of our government who continue to deny the events of that day. and in doing so betray their oath of office. >> again, the entire team with us. let me start with andrea mitchell. andrea, what struck me today is after all of the arguments about who should be on the committee, who is not on the committee, today was not about those on the committee. today was about the four police officers.

>> absolutely. it was gut wrenching to hear them, to watch the video involving some of them, to hear what happened, to hear the racial epithets, you played part of that, that officer dunn and grenell endured. saying he never experienced anything in iraq in combat as he experienced that day. officer dunn saying that in uniform as an officer he had never been called the "n" word before that day with other epithets attached. and as extraordinary as their emotional accounting of what happened that day was, i was also struck, chuck, by people say this shouldn't be political. well, as officer dunn said at the end it is political. telling the truth should not be hard. fighting on january 6th was hard, going back to work on january 7th was hard, going back every day after that has been hard, seeing the wall come down,

the fence around the capitol and nothing changed, that's hard. but telling the truth? he said congress members cheney and kinzinger are praised as heroes. well, they're heroes, but they're just heroes for telling the truth. why is it so difficult. each and every one of them, when chairman benny thompson said at the end, what advice do you have for us, what they said was change things, do something. and then one of them said you know, if you go out there and arrest someone, a hitman, the guy who orders the hit also goes to jail, he said you should get the guy that ordered them up there. they put it at the feet of donald trump. >> i was going to bring this up. before i go to the rest of our team, imagine a universe where the four police officers testified at the impeachment trial for donald john trump. where would we be today.

i sit here and wonder, this investigation, when you think back on the impeachment, are we going to look at this and say boy, you know what, we didn't have everything we needed at the time because i'm sorry, i know how hardened our politics are, but if we heard from four police officers, are you telling me there was only going to be seven republican votes for conviction? >> absolutely. that's a great point, chuck. it just seems as though perhaps they rushed into it, but did not think of the emotional weight. men and women taking the oath, being sworn in, and who in america is going to say that they are not the real heroes of that day, they and hundreds of others. and one thing that officer hodges said at the end was that he was asked why didn't you fire back at them. and he said there were more than

9,000 of them, there were just a few hundred of us. we would have lost that fight and this was a fight we could not afford to lose because it was a fight to save the republic is the unspoken agenda there. >> right. it was absolutely. andrea mitchell, you have to get going. i will let you go. appreciate that. let me bring in the rest of the team. lee ann caldwell, justice correspondent pete williams, jake sherman. pete, let me start with you. you know so many of the details of the arrest records, who's been arrested, what's going on. did you learn anything new today? >> frankly, not much. a little detail on what happened to the four officers but they to some extent talked about this before. i don't think as you said this was the goal of the hearing today, was to shed much new light on this, i think it was to open with such a provocative,

emotional and really moving statement of what was at stake. important to remember, other police officers could have told similar stories of the 570 people charged with taking care of the capitol riot. there are at least 130 charged with assaulting police officers, more than 140 officers from capitol police officers. some of them with injuries they'll bear the rest of their lives. i don't think it was that kind of a hearing. to further amplify, the chore is to answer questions that haven't been answered. why wasn't intelligence better, why was law enforcement response so slow. how do you change the capitol police board creeky apparatus

that makes it hard to make additional response. that's where the real work of the committee will be in days and weeks to come. no question about it, this was opening the whole thing with exclamation point. those of us steeped in this have learned a lot of the facts. most people haven't realized how bad it was. >> no. that's for sure. lee ann caldwell, liz cheney invoked the person that's the elephant in the room, pun intended here, the former president, donald trump. feels as if the hearing really is about him in some ways, keeps coming back to him. i want to play an exchange between liz cheney and officer grenell. take a listen. >> you hear former president trump say, quote, it was a loving crowd. there was a lot of love in the crowd. how does that make you feel?

>> it is upsetting. it is pathetic, huge for his behavior that something he, himself helped to create, this monstrosity. i am recovering from those hugs and kisses that day that he claimed so many rioters, terrorists were assaulting us that day. what he was doing, instead of sending the military, instead of sending support or telling his people, his supporters to stop this nonsense, he egged them to continue fighting. i was fighting alongside officers. nobody else, there was nobody else, it was not antifa or black lives matter, it was not the fbi, it was his supporters that he sent them over to the capitol

that day. lee ann, here's the senior most republican invoking donald trump. would have been a different tone had jim jordan been on the committee who sort of made a career out of being i guess the proverbial ant at a picnic, blank in a punch bowl, whatever metaphor you pick. a striking difference in a committee hearing on capitol hill when you don't have jim jordan involved. >> reporter: absolutely, also a striking difference because regardless of the party of the members sitting on that committee, they all had the same agenda and the same goal. it was not a republican versus democratic committee. in fact, the only people on the committee that mentioned donald trump or allowed to him or allowed to other republican members of congress were republicans on that committee, adam kinzinger, liz cheney.

didn't hear that from one of the democrats that spoke. that was very specific and strategic. they want to ensure this is not viewed as a political committee, that it is something that's nonpartisan, that their only goal is to get to the truth. it was the officers who kept bringing up republicans and the former president, saying it should not be hard to come to the truth. that this was in fact on january 6th a political experience, they're the ones that had these attackers, some called them terrorists that came that day, they had a leader. that leader was the former president. it was a really interesting tactic, how the politics of this played out in that room just now

where it was not the democrats that brought it up but the republicans and witnesses. >> adam kinzinger, i want to show you the moment he was choking back tears. >> talk about the impact of that day, you guys won. you guys held. democracies aren't defined from bad days, they're defined how you come back from bad days, how you take accountability. we still don't know why it happened. many in my party treat it as another partisan fight. >> mr. sherman, jake, i have to say i am torn here about what would have happened had the

democrats sat all of kevin mccarthy's committee picks. it might have gotten turned into a circus. was this a better service for the american people, what happened today, and to be crass about the politics of this, did republicans dodge a bullet because their behavior would likely not have hit the moment. >> it could have gone either way, i am at the capitol despite my bizarre background here, there's a lot of doubt i can tell you from speaking to people all morning about the decision not to put republicans on the panel. in addition to cheney and kinzinger. there are a lot of people in the house republican and senate republican leadership circles watching or are aware of the hearing and say i can't believe there's nobody in the room to offer any sort of other point of view besides these people.

it was a cut and dry incident. what was experienced by the officers a lot of us experienced. the decision to stay outside the room for mccarthy and for the house republican leadership is going to be one that people will spend a lot of time thinking about, hashing over the next couple of weeks and months. listen, we wrote about this this morning. this investigation is going to drag on for months. not only did house republicans and senate republicans reject the bill to give them full veto power over subpoenas and committee work, they're not even in the room now. probably better service for the american people because what we heard from several if not all members that mccarthy proposed, several of them -- >> jake, i'm going to interrupt you. we have some of the committee members at the sticks, including liz cheney. >> to be able to do this in a

nonpartisan fashion, which is clearly the spirit that every member of the committee has and with which we'll do our job, so thank you very much. >> thank you very much. hold on. we will entertain questions. >> at the onset you said we must know what happened every minute of that day in the trump white house, every phone call, every meeting after the attack. why do you think that's so central to the investigation and is there agreement among the chairman to go down this route? >> the chairman has said everyone said the investigation is going wherever it may lead. obviously events that day at the white house are a focus and making sure we get to the bottom of everything that went on. ever minute of the day.

something the american people deserve. >> the officers if you heard my last question, we asked them what would they like to see from this hearing. they without exception said we would like to know who participated in it, who financed it, who encouraged it, orchestrated it. part of that is the challenge of this committee. so we will follow the facts. as i look at the committee, and i said to them earlier, i don't see one shrinking violet, although we have one member who has a daughter named violet, but other than that, we will follow the facts. >> to that end, house is to go home seven weeks after this week. how do you build on this, what do you do next? >> we now have a body of testimony that we will review.

we are in the process of putting that together. i put some members on notice that they won't enjoy the entire august recess, but we will give them time to work in their districts. conceivably, we could come back before the end of the august recess. do some additional work. >> what do you say to republicans who are now calling for them to restrict committee assignments as a result of serving on this committee through appointment by speaker pelosi. >> all i have to say to that is we had a big attack january 6th, heard very emotional testimony today, and that's what's on the forefront of my mind. if people want to get petty, that's fine. i think that reflects more on people than on the situation at hand.

this is a historic moment. this is a democracy defending moment. no matter the consequences to me. i know liz will stand and defend democracy. >> this morning, leader mccarthy had some colleagues were out front of the capitol, basic message was what did nancy pelosi know, when did she know it. some other colleagues were at the justice department defending january 6th prisoners. what's your read what other members of the conference are doing with messaging today? >> look, almost every member of the republican conference stunld in days immediately after january 6th what had actually happened and many of them said so publicly. many members of our leadership and others, that they've gone from recognizing what happened on the 6th to protesting in

front of the justice department on behalf of those who were part of the insurrection is something that i can't explain. i think it is a disgrace. i know this committee is focused on getting to what happened in a nonpolitical, nonpartisan way. this is not a political campaign. this is deadly serious. we'll investigate every aspect. >> we have not set any additional hearings. we will be discussing in the next several days about what the august recess will look like. at that point we'll announce it to the public. thank you. >> there tough the committee members taking a few questions there, no indication of when we

have the next specific hearing. bring in lee ann and jake. let's talk about a little of the housekeeping here. what is your sense where they want to go next for the investigation, regardless whether when we have a new hearing. what does part one look like here? >> reporter: it is a little unclear at this point, chuck. they haven't specifically said. but one thing chairman thompson just said is that he perhaps will bring the committee back for another hearing in august during their recess. despite that there is a seven week break for the house of representatives, we could see movement before the seven week break is over. we know that representative cheney has said that perhaps leader mccarthy should be subpoenaed, said that representative jordan could be a material witness. cheney also said she wants to know minute by minute what happened at the white house that

day, so in long term, that could be where we see things go. as far as today is concerned, the clear objective today was to point out the fact that those who have been trying to rewrite the narrative, rewrite the history, are doing exactly that, the committee wanted to show it was very real that day, there were weapons on that day, whether they were flag poles, bear spray, et cetera. one of the testifiers said there were firearms that were found after that. you know, walking around the capitol this morning, my colleague saw almost every single officer at their duty watching the hearing this morning, and i will say, i talked to a lot of police officers, capitol police officers over the past few months who have wanted this, who have wanted their stories to be shared on that day, so that was

in spite of them watching it today. i think this was an important moment, not only for the country to see and hear people's experiences but for the capitol police officers as well, chuck. >> and jake sherman, what's your expectation whether we will see whether mccarthy makes another attempt at finding four or five members that are suitable to speaker pelosi before the next hearing, do you think we'll see that, do you think mitch mcconnell now has regrets for killing what would have been an equal, bipartisan effort. >> i am not sure if mcconnell has regrets, he usually doesn't have regrets as you know, chuck. i can't imagine mccarthy will be able to get four people at this point to put on the committee. they've taken such a hard line against the committee, calling it a sham, a political charade,

i can't imagine he finds anyone to go on, whether he can block that in any way. if i were donald trump, chuck, i would be less than pleased that this is going down without any sort of meaningful rebuttal, although i am not sure what you can deflect because facts are clear. nothing from his wing of the party at all. >> what about the punishment over kinzinger and cheney? and how much is mccarthy making decisions based on his own vote counting, when or if he has a shot at becoming speaker? >> i think there's a lot of misreporting of punishing kinzinger. they've not, they don't have the ability to strip them of their

committee. pelosi can put them right back on. the way mccarthy, the way house republican leadership sees it, cheney and kinzinger's political careers are over. not saying i agree or disagree. one person told me a couple days ago, dead men walking. no reason to do anything to further that or to punish them. >> appreciate you guys helping us get started with this. i have an interesting guest coming up now. joining me, one of the republican committee members pulled by kevin mccarthy. north dakota republican congressman kelly armstrong. appreciate you coming on today. let me start with this. do you wish you were, had you wished you were on the committee, regardless of the jim jordan, jim banks situation, set

that aside. speaker pelosi said they were fine with you and others. what do you think was missing today that you would have added? >> i think one question i would have liked to, listen, start with this. officers deserve to have their stories told. it was compelling, heart wrenching, their heroism is absolutely on display. we appreciate everything they did. they also have decades of tactical experience amongst them. they're very accomplished. some served in riot control, all those things. early on in the hearing when officer dunn mentioned they were unprepared, there's a real question on that. what were we doing, what did we know. did officers on the ground that day have the same information that leadership had or other organizations had because outside of all of the politics of this, listen, political consequences happen at the ballot box, second tuesday of november, there are structural questions about what happened, how it got to that point, what we do moving forward to make sure it doesn't happen again.

>> i want to play the words from officers hodge i believe so and fanone on what they want the committee to investigate. let me play it, get reaction on the other side. >> the indifference shown to my colleagues is disgraceful. nothing, truly nothing has prepared me to address those elected members of our government who continue to deny the events of that day. and in doing so, betray their oath of office. those very members whose lives, offices, staff members, i was fighting desperately to defend. that is what i am looking for is an investigation into those actions and activities which may have resulted in the events of january 6th, and whether or not

there was collaboration between those members, their staff, and these terrorists. >> hit the nail on the head there. i need you guys to address if anyone in power had a role in this, if anyone in power coordinated, aided, abetted, tried to down play, tried to prevent the investigation of this terrorist attack because we can't do it. >> you know, congressman, i played those quotes at that time because you brought up, it is clear that you want to dig deeper into the specifics of why the capitol police were overrun. those police officers and many members of congress would like to know how we got to that situation in the first place, how much coordination was it. january 6th wasn't picked

randomly from a hat to hold a stop the steal rally down on the eclipse. how important is part of the investigation and do you not see it as an important part of the investigation? >> can i start with the first question first. anybody trivializing, trying to re-invent what happened january 6th, i don't care what party they're in, i will be one of the people to call them out. i was on the floor that day. i am not sure we get off, i was on the balcony because of social distancing, not sure we get out without heroes and quick thinking of officers there. they absolutely have my support there. listen, we said the whole time, the investigation should take it where it goes, nothing should be off limits. the chairman said that, also said the speaker's office is off limits. if there's aiding, abetting, colluding, all those things, that's a doj investigation, and if they can do that, i don't care who it is, a staff member on the hill or anybody else that absolutely should be prosecuted if it leads to that. if we're talking about it from a

political standpoint, again, everything should be on the table. right now, it doesn't feel like it is. >> let me ask you about whether you expect leader mccarthy to offer up a new group of folks, perhaps the three of you that the speaker said was okay and find two others, is that a path you expect leader mccarthy to go down or is this a full boycott by the house republican conference with the exceptions of cheney and kinzinger. >> i think when you take off the chairman of the largest caucus, take off the ranking member of judiciary, you made your point how this works and those voices are no longer heard which represent not just a large portion of the conference but large group of people across the country. i think, i personally think speaker pelosi should put us all five back on. at that point i was absolutely be willing to serve and

participate in this. >> do you not understand why she decided, why would you put on somebody who knowingly is trying to misinform what happened that day and put on people that voted against certifying the election based on baloney? why shouldn't that be the prerogative of a leader? >> first of all, there's not a lot of minority rights you have in minority of congress, you populate your own committees. i have been consistent, i defended democrats when my colleagues called for them to be stripped of committees, that's not our charge. more importantly to this, you don't change the rules in hard cases. you don't do that. i used to try felony cases. i was a criminal defense attorney. cases like this when they are politically charged, once in a generation events, you absolutely have to be sure policies and procedures stay the same. more important now than in other times. and one of the fundamental

places how this place works now and hopefully again in the future is that we are allowed to, each party is able to populate committees regardless who is in charge. >> you think it was ultimately a mistake for the senate republicans to reject what would have been a bipartisan equally divided outside commission that would have done this a la the iraq -- do you think it was a mistake? >> it was a mistake not to do it right away after january 6th. this didn't start bipartisan and moved on. i served in judiciary and oversight for two years. real hearings that mueller, two impeachments, we are capable to do them, but we should be allowed to do them the way congress operates. as an exercise, allowing officers to tell the story, make sure people recognize what they went through and heroism is

great. i don't think we came closer to getting an answer to anything in today's hearing. that's unfortunate and i think the better way to do this, allow each party to put on members and go. >> i want to play a sot you said january 13th about impeachment and ask you about it on the other side. let's play it. >> i am going to vote against impeachment, that's going to give me credibility at home with my base. you're going to vote for impeachment, that's going to give you credibility at home with your base. it is easy to point at me, blame me. easy for me to point at you, blame you, january 21st, we're all going to be back here. use that credibility. go back, talk hard truths to your people. i am going to do it. we need to do a better job. >> what kind of hard truths have you been saying to your folks, you said your reason to vote against impeachment was so you could have credibility at home, which tells me, look, there's

two philosophies about representative government. are you there to give your best judgment, are you there to represent what a majority of your constituents want, and i know it is not easy making that decision on any given issue. not going to second guess that. what kind of hard truths have you had with your base in north dakota? >> i voted not to get my credibility. i have done town halls across the state, we have very pro president trump wing of the party. i have to answer the questions every day and i do of what happened january 6th, what really happened versus what a lot of people try to say happened, why i supported sitting the electors. i didn't sign onto the texas lawsuit. i have those conversations at home every single day, some get uncomfortable, but i am completely fine doing that. will continue to take that message here. i also think it is important that when you do a committee like this, we have to be able to

have hard truths on both sides. if we are not willing to do that, it is obvious this is set up moving that way forward, it is not going to get anybody where they need to be back at home. i have lots of conversations at home with people about it, chuck. >> look, i think everybody who deals with any part of any piece of the electorate, whether media or politics, knows that there's no pleasing anyone these days any more. that's for sure. kelly armstrong, republican from north dakota who would have been on the committee. appreciate you coming on, sharing your perspective with viewers. >> thank you. coming up, we have breaking news from the cdc. a big reversal on masking. and it is going to impact k-12 and impact those vaccinated in some parts of the country. what's driving a change in guidance. we will talk about that ahead. later, huge olympic surprise, bit of a gut punch if

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welcome back. breaking news from the cdc regarding masking. it is back. the cdc will issue new guidance that recommends you mask indoors. cdc dr. walensky will have a briefing in a couple hours. we expect more specifics on new recommendations. it is reversal what they were saying, that vaccinated people didn't need to mask indoors. this is just for areas where there are high concentration of

the virus. every state is seeing the delta variant fueled, and data suggests vaccinated people that contract covid-19 may be transmitting the virus, hence the mask necessity. experts stress vaccinated individuals are still low risk for severe illness. governor newsom is requiring state workers to be vaccinated or risk having to test weekly. and lindsey reiser is in arizona where icus are filling with covid patients. let's start in l.a. this seems to be where we're headed. the don't call it a mandate vaccine mandate, it is about what the state of california announced. is that the best way to describe it? >> reporter: correct, chuck. the governor doing everything he can to try to get peek to go get vaccinated. they're not doing a mandate,

forcing employees to get the vaccine, they're trying to set the example. they're requiring them to prove they were vaccinated, otherwise they have to test once a week, wear a mask, and adding health care workers in state of california. the governor delivering the message the reason for the delta variant spreading across the state is largely because of those unnatd. one fourth haven't gotten the vaccine. important message short of actually mandating people. a representative said some local governments, private companies have chosen to move forward and require workers. the message is get the vaccine or mask up and get tested once and twice a week.

>> and do we expect, they made it for health care workers. do you expect state government to go this direction? >> reporter: for now, the announcement that they made, all 246,000 workers that work for the state of california will have to abide by the rule. then you have a lot of employees work for cities and counties. what the governor said is he expects them to make the same decision and move forward with a rule similar to this one. for now, everyone that works for state of california will have to follow the rule. for health care workers, kaiser, one of the biggest providers is also following this rule. >> thank you. lindsey, in arizona, less than half the state is vaccinated. they're one of these, when i said the south, sun belt in general we know is sort of a hot

spot off and on since the pandemic. how concerned are officials right now? >> chuck, that's because the vaccines are at a plateau. my home state, i didn't think i would be here in july talking up tick in cases, but here we are. statewide in arizona, they reported a daily case record since month of february, 1500 plus cases. maricopa county that i am in, most populous county in the state, recorded seven day average of 900 plus cases, figure not seen since february. the positivity rate has gone from 5% to 11% recently. the icu beds as you mentioned at the intro are filling up. the governor implored arizonans to get vaccinated, i did it, it is our best defense.

at the same time, issuing executive actions, flying in the face of what they're trying to do. some of them are up on the screen. he rescinded an executive order that requires k-12 and public charter schools to require masks. schools can if they want. he is preventing arizona public colleges and universities from mandating vaccines for students to return. so if you have a kid going to asu, they don't have to be vaccinated come fall. preventing any state agency or municipality requiring employees to get vaccinated. an emergency room physician here at valley wise has been a prominent voice the entire pandemic. he says anecdotally, all the patients he is seeing in the emergency room are unvaccinated patients. he says the break through cases are mild. he says some patients are regretting that they didn't get the vaccine. this is what he told me. >> some people have been young as you heard, data showing

younger people coming in. they feel like they're immune, they're not going to be as at risk. when they come to the hospital, they feel differently. clearly are sick enough to come to the er and then regret it. >> reporter: chuck, he says right now the goal is to, if the goal is to not be as bad as last summer, that's not a good enough goal. last summer they were a hot spot. the realistic goal is to move past the pandemic, put it in the rearview. that's in the realm of possibility if arizonans step up, chuck. >> lindsey, guad on the ground in l.a. and phoenix. thank you. joining me to answer some of the questions all of us have on the science between the new mask guidance, dr. vin gupta. dr. gupta, the cdc making the decision. i have been spending time in

florida, a place that transmission is up. the recommendation is when i'm in florida, i have to be wearing a mask, even though fully vaccinated. what is the concern. are the vaccinated asymptomatic spreaders? is that the great fear? >> good afternoon, chuck. good to see you. this is not a wholesale reversal. i think the cdc was smart to pivot in light of evidence the last six weeks suggesting the delta variant rarely but more so treatment even if vaccinated. there's a chance to transmit to other people, again, very rarely. onset of symptomatic disease from delta variant if fully vaccinated, less than .1%. type of disease leading to the hospital, .001%. these are exceptionally rare risks. lower than the risk of dying in a car accident.

we need proper context. this is the right move. areas where there's high viral transmission, mask up even if fully vaccinated to prevent this transmission from occurring. this is a slight pivot, not reversal. >> tell me about the delta variant. are we seeing viral loads for people with symptomatic covid and delta variant, are they just put it in perspective from the original i guess alpha, b 117 and original covid. >> well, so chuck, what we are noticing, say this as a lung doc, it is stickier. for all of the viewers wondering what does contagious mean, it has modifications to outer portion of the virus. so it can stick more easily to our nose and cells lining the nose or lungs. the more it can build up. if you have more virus in the

nose or lungs, you have a stickier version of virus, you have higher viral load and that contributes to increased contagiousness. that's the concern. yes. even if fully vaccinated, some individuals, those older or immuno compromised might have more virus in them if exposed, could potentially transmit. quickly say, the big question, how will this be perceived in state capitals in the south as you mentioned in the sun belt, spent a lot of time in tucson medical center, caring in their overwhelmed icus. how will the governors interpret this, state policy is the big issue, not a cdc recommendation. that's why we need to double down on strategy to increase vaccination uptake. threat perception, direct engagement, accountability, holding those that handle misinformation out there accountable. and full fda approval. need to focus on those four

pillars. >> yeah. don't call it a mandate mandate feels like the direction we may have to go. let me ask you this, dr. gupta. if we don't see our vaccination intake increase, if the current wave doesn't scare the next ring of people to go get vaccinated the next couple months, what are we looking at for the fall? >> chuck, i can say from university of washington forecast, we expect worst case scenario if that occurs, if many zip codes, fully vaccinated rates less than 60%, especially with cold, dry air. with the delta variant, we are expecting upwards of a thousand deaths a day. that's potentially the peak daily death toll come end of october. that's a possibility. i am optimistic that we can reach people that are currently not vaccinated. we need to do it in a

nonjudgmental way, direct engagement. and last, authentic messengers. as a member of the military, we need people former uniformed service members talking to members of the military, not op-eds saying the military needs to mandate the vaccine wholesale, we need to build trust. if we think we can mandate our way out of way out of this, we're going to one day down the road have a reckoning because we didn't build trust. we need to build trust now. >> well, i fear that the reckoning is here. this is the reckoning. the trust, the campaign of mistrust that was waged against those of us in mainstream journalism by what's happened in the right wing for the last decade,unfortunately our reckoning is in an icu way too close to many of our lives. dr. gupta, appreciate you come ing on. up next, we have a live report

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welcome back. simone biles shocked the gymnastics community. forget that, scratch that. shocked the entire world, if you will, when she abruptly pulled out of team competition this morning. in fact, it may be more than just pulling out of the team competition. stephanie gosk joins us live from tokyo to explain what happened. stephanie, everything we're reading here, it's no sure thing we will see her compete again this olympics. where do things stand right now? >> reporter: it's definitely not a sure thing. you know, she's got her next competition would be the all-arounds in a couple of days, followed by the individual events next week starting on august 1st. usa gymnastics says they're going to wait and see what

happened. she did a vault tonight as part of the team competition, a vault she has done many times before. it is tough, but for simone biles, she landed it pretty routinely. it's this 2 1/2 twisting somersault. she pulled out and only did a twist and a half. it didn't look right and she landed in a way that made all of us wince in the newsroom. soon after that, usa gymnastics said that she was pulling out for a medical issue. later she took some questions from people. here's what she had to say to hoda kotb about pulling out of the competition. >> emotionally, that kind of varies on the time and the moment, you know, coming here to the olympics and being the head star of the olympics is not easy heat. we're just trying to take it one day at a time, and we'll see. >> reporter: you know, you hear her talk about it there, chuck. she talks about coming here as

the head star of the olympics. she's right. i mean, simone biles is the headliner for team usa. it is a lot of pressure. she seems to be acknowledging in that moment that it has become a lot for her. chuck? >> it has. so stephanie, we know what happened. the americans got silver. what kind of support is she getting from her teammates? >> reporter: well, a lot of support. we have to take our hats off to that team. under those circumstances and jordan chiles who came in for the team, to be able to still win the silver medal, they deserve an enormous amount of credit. they were all very emotional and shocked by the news. they were supportive of her. she was also supportive of them, bringing them chalk and cheering them on throughout the night. >> stephanie gosk, up very late in tokyo, as you can see, with her backdrop. i appreciate that. i do hope you find a nap at some

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it is good to be with you. i'm jeff bennett. if you thought you knew everything there was to know about the january 6th attack on the u.s. capitol, you were in for a shocking, gut-wrenching awakening during today's first hearing of the house select committee. vivid testimony from four officers who faced the kinds of horrors that day that, thankfully, most of us will never know. we want to warn you. much of this is very difficult to hear and contains graphic descriptions and language. >> a rioter called me a traitor, a disgrace. he shouted that,