outstanding five gold medals after winning the 50-meter freestyle. here's where the medal count stands. the united states has the most medals with 59, but china has the most gold so far with 24. that's going to do it for me on this edition of "alex witt reports." my friend yasmin vossoughian continues our coverage now. hey, everybody, good afternoon. i'm yasmin vossoughian. we have a lot going on right now. so the senate is in session on a sunday with majority leader chuck schumer promising to take as long as it takes to get the infrastructure bill done. the white house is firing back today at critics of its covid messaging and the rising cases across this country of course from that delta variant. then we have some new reporting that the january 6th committee is considering which of its republican colleagues to in fact call to testify. and then there's donald trump, the former president, trying to

turn the tables on the latest accusations of his election interference. plus, next hour some really disturbing video to show you. anger in a texas community. after body cam video emerges of a police officer and a teenage girl who needed help and then what happened next. you don't want to miss that. but we do in fact want to begin on capitol hill where the senate is back in session as they await the finalized text of a massive infrastructure bill. majority leader schumer said just hours ago the bill will be done being written imminently and then move to the amendment process will be completed in a matter of days. ligh ann caldwell is following this for us on capitol hill. imminently, leigh ann. as i think back to my s.a.t.s, that meant any moment, right? >> right. >> not quite sure that was the term leader schumer should have been using, but where are we on this?

>> reporter: i think you're right, yasmin. i actually did see the bill. it was walked through the hallways of the capitol. it's about this thick. but then i just spoke with senator mitt romney who is one of the negotiators and he said they're just going through to make sure all the pronouns are correct. there are no major disagreements, so they are saying that things are done. it's just taking time to go line by line, but it should be, again, any moment. we are still waiting on this. but, this bipartisan bill is only half the story. the other half of the story is this reconciliation $3.5 trillion human infrastructure bill that many democrats, especially the progressives, are really anxious to move to. leader schumer also in those remarks when he said things were imminent for the bipartisan bill, he also in the very next breath said that the senate once it dispenses with the bipartisan bill will move to that

reconciliation bill and that is a guarantee that many progressives need. let's listen to what representative alexandria ocasio-cortez said on the shows earlier today followed by senator joe manchin, a key moderate, and we'll talk on the other side. >> i respect that we have to get senator sinema and manchin's vote on reconciliation. they should also respect that there's a very tight house margin and we have to be able to uphold our end of the bargain as well. and house progressives are also part of that majority. >> i have not guaranteed anybody on any of these pieces of legislation. we would like to do more. yeah, you can do what you can pay for. >> reporter: so these progressives are saying this bipartisan bill, we'll accept it as long as you move this reconciliation human infrastructure bill so it's a very tricky process moving forward, yasmin. >> certainly is a tricky process. we're actually going to be covering this the next couple of hours, leigh ann, so stay close

to your camera as this thing developed. hoping imminently turns to it's here, we've got it, all 2,500 pages of it as we're hearing. let's touch on voting rights, leigh ann. yeah, fingers crossed, right? what can you tell us about this scaled-back voting rights proposal that democrats are also currently working on? >> yeah, well, democrats are getting a lot of pressure from not only within their conference, their caucus, to move on voting rights legislation despite the fact that it failed in the senate last month because it was blocked by republicans. there's a lot of democrats and outside progressives who are saying leadership cannot give up on this. so there's a new effort abound to bring about a scaled-down, trimmed-down voting rights legislation that focuses specifically on gerrymandering and on access to the polls and taking away the other things like campaign finance reform and ethics reform. but the biggest question, though, yasmin, that would still

need the support of ten republicans in the senate and it's unclear if it's going to change any republican minds. but we could see this new version of legislation in the next couple days, yasmin. >> all right. also something to look for. leigh ann, i'll talk to you in just a little bit. coming up at 4:00 p.m. as well we'll speak to california congresswoman judy chu who will join me live with where we're at on the infrastructure bill and perspective from the ways and means committee member on what lawmakers are going to do with the former president's taxes. should they secure them, of course. you don't want to miss that conversation. also as the country is grappling with this surging delta variant, the white house is defending its handling of covid amid criticism over messaging. dr. anthony fauci warning earlier this morning that americans need to be realistic. saying things are going to get a whole lot worse if the decline in vaccinations continues.

>> we have 100 million people in this country who are eligible to be vaccinated who are not getting vaccinated. we are seeing an outbreak of the unvaccinated. i don't think we're going to see lockdowns. i think we have enough of the percentage of people in the country, not enough to crush the outbreak, but i believe enough to not allow us to get into the situation we were in last winter. but things are going to get worse. >> i know a lot of people are hopeful, myself included, that that is the case. with me now, josh lederman standing by covering this for us. josh, good to see you. i think this is a sigh of relief for americans listening, thinking maybe lockdowns won't necessarily be in our future. that would really be a tough pill to swallow now coming out of our caves after so long. but break down really, josh, what's happening here between the biden administration and its health officials, especially

after the cdc issued some new mask guidance. >> reporter: right. well, i think one of the things that's happening here, yasmin, is the biden administration has been very critical of the way that the trump administration in their view politicized these public health agencies, had too much intervention from the white house in how the cdc, the nih, these other neutral scientific agencies went about making decisions about covid and communicating to the public. and so they have tried to be really hands off and put up a firewall, much as we've seen the white house do with the justice department as well. and that is good from the perspective of making sure that those decisions they make are based on the science and not the politics. but the flip side of that is that oftentimes the white house has seemed a little bit flat-footed or caught off guard by some of the new announcements that have come out of the cdc. as a result, it has been more difficult for the white house to try to explain to people exactly where we're at, why the government is taking the steps that they are, and exactly how

concerned people should be and exactly about what. and so now we are seeing the white house try to do a little bit of cleanup, putting out some of their top officials onto the sunday talk shows and other interviews to try to make clear exactly where things stand and to explain to people why at this point in time they are going to ask vaccinated people to wear masks in public spaces in high-risk areas, not to protect themselves but to protect the unvaccinated. that was the message this morning from dr. francis collins, the head of the nih. take a listen. >> if you're in a community where this virus is spreading, which is about 75% of counties right now, it is prudent to put on a mask even if you're vaccinated just in case you might be somebody who's currently spreading it and you don't want to do that to kids under 12 or to some of those other folks who remain unvaccinated. it's just good, common sense. i know it has confused everybody because it's a change in direction, but if we can step aside from all of the political

assumptions, which really don't fit here, and look at the data, that's the data. >> reporter: the reality is, yasmin, there are not that many steps or measures that the administration has left in their toolbox on this. they have tried cajoling people to get vaccinated, they're trying to get states to give $100 incentives. they're asking folks once again to put on masks, just a few weeks after people finally got the freedom to spend time indoors without masks. but we're seeing a lot of folks who don't want to go back to that way of doing things and a lot of republican governors in states like arizona, florida and elsewhere who say we are simply not going to mandate masks at this time. >> josh, i've got to ask, so it sounds to me like what you're saying is that there's really no cohesive communication for this matter, we should say, between the cdc and the white house. does that mean the cdc is not giving a heads up to the biden administration to say, hey, listen, we're going to change

the mask guidance because of these troubling new numbers we're seeing coming out because of this delta variant and maybe you should too? >> reporter: what we know, for example, about this latest mask guidance is that the white house found out very shortly before the cdc put this out, a matter of hours. >> got it. >> reporter: so white house spokesman jen psaki was the first one to be on camera trying to explain something they had just learned about a little bit before. that left white house officials scrambling to what is our own protocols? does the press secretary need to be masked? does biden need to be masked? so it's not a matter of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing but in attempts to make sure there is a firewall between the science and the politics, it's created less of an opportunity to get in lock-step and some of these messaging challenges play out publicly. >> so that's kind of the question out there, the looming question, which is does there need to be more cohesiveness ahead of some of these major

announcements that are somewhat life-changing in certain respects. josh, thank you. good to see you. also to florida, though, quickly becoming the nation's epicenter for this virus. on friday the numbers there just astounding. the state reporting 21,000 infections, its highest one-day total since the start of this pandemic. vaughn hillyard is in jacksonville covering this for us. vaughn, good to see you. i've got to say these numbers came through last night and i was floored hearing that this was the highest number that state had seen since the beginning of this pandemic. shocking. how are folks feeling about that right now? >> reporter: yasmin, the vaccine has been available to folks here for now three or four months. this is the fourth surge. you'd think that after a certain period of time, after the number of waves that the state has lived through that at some point it would become more apparent that the stress that this puts onto hospitals is very, very difficult. you're talking about icu wards

that are being built literally today. i was just talking with a nurse actually in nearby baton rouge, louisiana. they were essentially doubling their icu capacity because they have run out of room in their icus for covid patients. when we talk about florida specifically, more than 20,000 new cases just yesterday. but it goes beyond florida here at this point. any which way you look at the number s numbers, the they are startling. this is a surge, this is a spike here that this country is enduring. dr. fauci just this morning saying that we should not expect this to come to a halt at any point soon because when you look at that trend line here, it's only going up. yes, we're seeing some folks go out and get vaccinated at greater numbers here over the course of the last week or two. at the same point that doesn't stop the infections taking place right now and saving the folks inside of these hospitals.

>> we've got to get back to those early july numbers if you're taking a look at that graph. it's kind of depressing to see that major dip in early july. things reopening, back to life, and there you go, a surge that we're experiencing because of that delta variant. vaughn, quickly here, the governor of florida resisting mask mandates and vaccine requirements. and then just friday, barring school districts from imposing mask requirements. any indication these latest numbers could change the governor's position? >> reporter: these numbers have been going up for weeks now here, yasmin. you just said it, just literally two days ago the governor issuing an executive order barring schools from requiring kids to wear masks inside the school. it's not just governor desantis, though. it's also the likes of governor abbott in texas, governor ducey in arizona.

these republican governors are issuing executive orders barring schools from requiring their students, their kids. we have to remind people kids under 12 don't have access to the vaccine right now, from wearing masks. but executive orders that bar municipalities, that bar cities from influencing mask mandates. essentially handcuffing local governments from taking the initiative themselves to do this. when you're talking about the american population, you're talking about 40% of the united states population still not being fully vaccinated among the adult population. 40%. we're still far aways away from herd immunity. as you can see the delta variant continues to spread rapidly around these parts. >> all right, vaughn, thank you. appreciate it. still ahead, everybody, is it finally time to face the music? donald trump dodged any legal accountability throughout his presidency, but he could face real consequences now that he's out of the oval office. after the break, former u.s.

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both israel and the united states say the attack bore all the trademarks of a drone attack on a liberian flag mercer street managed by an israeli man. now blinken is confident iran was behind it. the u.s. is working with its partners to consider next steps and an appropriate response is in fact forthcoming. we'll stay on top of this and bring you any updates as they develop. we've also got some uncertainty hanging over an investigation into the former president's conduct on january 6th. new documents from the justice department suggesting it may not show the former president the leniency to which he is and has become certainly in the oval office accustomed. in a brief filed last week the doj declined to defend alabama representative mo brooks in a lawsuit accusing him of instigating the capitol hill insurrection and resoundingly rejected brooks' assertion that those involved in the riots

should be shielded by federal immunity. according to an op-ed that decision is an ominous sign of what is to come for the former president, who's hopes could hinge on the same immuity by which brooks will no longer be protected. joining me to discuss is barbara mcquade. thanks for joining us on this sunday afternoon. give me your sense per the opinion in "the washington post" talking about the fact this is an ominous sign of what is to come, especially for the former president. >> yes, i have to agree with him because everything about what mo brooks did that day parallels what donald trump did that day. the law protects federal employees when they're acting within the scope of their employment from liability from civil suits. the classic example is a letter carrier who is involved in an accident in his postal truck. as long as he's doing his job

driving to and from his delivery route, if he's involved in an accident, the government says you were doing this for us and so we'll step into your shoes. you're immune from suit and people have to sue us, the united states of america, instead. and then there are certain things that the united states cannot be sued for, so oftentimes these suits get dismissed in the end. what the department of justice said this week is mo brooks, even though you are a federal employee as a member of congress, when you stood out there and said things like it's time for american patriots to start kicking ass and taking names, that was not within the scope of your employment. that was at best a campaign activity and at worst inciting an insurrection and neither of those are within the scope of your employment. well, the exact same thing can be said about donald trump. so when this issue comes before the court for his conduct, i would have to think that the decision is going to be exactly the same. >> but i can't help but think about this conversation that i had yesterday, which is about intent and proving intent and

what the president's intent was when it comes to january 6th, what he wanted his followers and supporters to do as they marched on the capitol. that's a difficult road to take for prosecutors. >> i think that's right. and looking solely at his public statements, i think they offer some insight into what he intended, but i also think it offered some wiggle room where he used the word "peaceful" at one point, even though he said we're going to march down to the capitol and you need to fight or you're not going to have a country anymore. i think what investigators would be looking for is, is there additional evidence about what the plan was? was there a plan to sow enough chaos in congress and disrupt the vote that they were expecting that this would happen and hoping that this would throw the election into the house where republicans led the majority of delegations? i think you would need more evidence than simply what is there, but i think there's enough to at least begin an investigation.

>> does trump's legal team and their defense that they're developing hold any water citing the nixon v. fitzgerald decision arguing that he is protected from legal consequences? >> he is arguing that he cannot be sued, period, for anything that he ever did as president and citing that case in support. but even that case says that there are things beyond the outer limits of a president's conduct that is not within the scope of his employment that would not allow him the kind of immunity that he is asserting. so if a president shot somebody, for example, that would certainly be beyond the scope. how about this, you know, where he is giving a fiery campaign speech that goes even farther than simply insulting his opponent, but suggesting that people should fight, who in fact then do take up that advice and go to the capitol and fight? and so i think that his argument

exceeds even the scope of the case that he cites. >> barbara mcquade, thank you as always for that great insight. always appreciate it. coming up, everybody, love thy neighbor, get a vaccine. the role of religious leaders in the effort to get shots. and why the stance is actually shifting among many evangelicals. we'll be right back. ls we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ know this about the jungle, everything that you see wants to kill you and can. ♪ ♪ ♪ born to be wild ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ born to be wild ♪ ♪ ♪ see disney's jungle cruise. applebee's and a movie, now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. ♪ ♪ life can be a lot to handle. ♪this magic moment,♪ but there's plenty of magic in all that chaos.

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welcome back, everybody. we are continuing to follow the senate's special sunday session as the finalized text of the bipartisan bill is apparently coming imminently, that is according to majority leader schumer. we'll continue to keep our eye on things there as in fact they develop. also california's dixie fire, the largest wildfire burning in the state right now, is causing even more problems. in addition to destroying more than 250,000 acres, nearly 50 buildings, the fire combined with scorching heat and dry weather is straining

california's power system and threatening further water shortages. i want to bring in nbc's scott cohn in san martin, california, following this for us. scott, good to see you this afternoon. wildfires like this along with rising temperatures and drought which you have reported on repeatedly, plus of course you've got the covid economy. they're starting to have a real impact on the food supply. you are at a tomato farm. what are farmers there saying about the impact that they're seeing? >> reporter: yeah, it's not a good situation at all, yasmin. so these are heirloom tomatoes. you find these in your supermarket or restaurants. there also is a huge business in california in processing tomatoes. those are the tomatoes that you find in your ketchup and spaghetti sauce. california supplies about 90% of the nation's supply of these processing tomatoes, a third of the world's supply. well, those tomatoes take water to grow obviously. water, as we know, is in short supply. and it's also expensive.

the cost of water for these tomato growers is close to ten times what they normally pay. that's just the start. >> the price of water, price of seed, price of fertilizer, power, labor, so they're also experiencing some of those same cost increases that is overall impacting the price of -- the price to grow tomatoes and also the price to process tomatoes. >> reporter: so what do you see happening? well, farmers are just not planting the acreage they would have because it's going to be too expensive to raise it to maturity. and you're also seeing as a result that's tighter supply. that means higher prices. and because a lot of the price of tomatoes is already locked in going into the growing season, you will see them trying to make that up next year. so this is potentially a long-term impact of this devastating drought.

yasmin. >> scott, thank you for reporting on this. we have a big day tomorrow for americans when it comes to international travel. the uk will allow fully vaccinated americans to travel without quarantining. the decision is coming at what would normally be the height of the tourist season at the uk. nbc's matt bradley talked to a shop keeper about this decision. >> reporter: how much did you miss foreign tourists, and americans specifically? >> oh, they're amazing. they're one of my best tourists, like customers. so now knowing that they can come in, the engagement i think will be amazing. they really like to get involved. i do a design your own, and so what happens is i find they're quite open, quite friendly. they want to support small business. for me i'm quite stoked because they're my number one customer. >> there are still some conditions for american travelers, in case you're going. they must present a vaccine card, complete a passenger

locater form, have a negative predeparture pcr test and also be tested again in the first couple of days in britain. those who are unvaccinated would still be required to in fact quarantine. so a new survey finds vaccine hesitancy is actually dropping here in the united states, which is a good thing, right, especially in religious subgroups. a poll taken by the public religion research institute and the interfaith youth corps suggests religious leaders could be the reason. the research showed religious leaders are more influential in convincing those hesitant to take the vaccine, even over doctors. jack jenkins is a reporter with religion news service and joining us now. jack, thanks for joining us on this. really appreciate it. some good news now that vaccine hesitancy is going down a bit, especially in these more religious communities. but i've got to take a look at some of the polling that we're seeing. so you have 53% of americans, this is a study from the public

religion research institute, saying that getting vaccinated is in fact loving thy neighbor. but then you've got 54% of evangelicals who will not get the vaccine. what is going on here with that 54% number? >> well, this is an interesting trend that has been noted by scholars for some time now, white evangelical protestants. it should be noted that vaccine hesitancy did decrease between march and june as shown in this poll from 28% to 20% and their acceptance actually went up from 45% to 56% of those who would say they would get the vaccine. but at the same time, they still hold the category of the largest number of vaccine refusers. people who say they absolutely

will not get the vaccine and that only changed two percentage points from 26% to 24% of white evangelicals, barely moving at all. >> so what about engaging religious leaders? we know the biden administration as part of the plan to get more folks a vaccine throughout the country, especially in the south and areas with more evangelical christians, they engage a lot of religious leaders and churches up and down the board to get them more involved in the vaccine rollout, to talk to their parishioners about getting vaccinated, the efficacy of this vaccine, the safety of this vaccine. how effective is it? >> well, one of the things that we noted in this poll, as you know, there's been any number of vaccine overtures that have been led by faith leaders. dr. francis collins, head of the national institutes of health is himself a white evangelical and has been imploring white evangelicals to get vaccinated, as has russell moore, former head of the southern baptist

convention's political arm. and we have seen some movement in those spaces around those -- around 22% of white evangelical protestants who got vaccinated said that they were doing that at the urging -- or were influenced by faith overtures. that increased to 25% talking to white evangelicals who attend services regularly. now, one thing that is also still happening is that as the delta variant has begun to ravage many of these communities, particularly in missouri and louisiana and arkansas, these more rural areas that are often heavily evangelical, we started seeing this interesting trend happen where following a wave of cases, you're starting to see a wave of vaccinations, and that includes sometimes we've seen faith leaders who were unvaccinated imploring their congregants after they contract covid-19 to get a vaccine saying that they were wrong. so that might be another way of convincing people moving forward. >> can we stick with this for a

moment because i think it's fascinating. what are ways in which these faith leaders are finding is best to convince the folks that are attending their organizations, their religious places of worship, to get the vaccine? is it science? or is it something else? >> well, i will note i think one of the more interesting data points that i've seen in the last few weeks is actually one of those missouri hospitals put out a commercial trying to urge people to get vaccinated. and it was a video of a person who had contracted covid-19 after not being vaccinated and they said that their faith was one of the reasons they were hesitant or reluctant to get vaccinated. as that person struggled to breathe in that video, at the conclusion of the video, they then said one of the reasons i would now want to get vaccinated after having this disease is that i believe that god made medicine too. so this idea that faith is at

both ends of this. and one thing i will note, though, is that we have heard from pastors, including conservative christians, who say that they might be encouraging their congregants to get vaccinated, but they're up against disinformation that they're seeing online. we have instances where we have faith leaders who are very enthusiastic about getting their congregants to get vaccinated, but they're having a hard time getting past what their own parishioners are reading on facebook. and so that means it ends up being a multi-pronged approach, both talking about science as well as faith usually within the same breath as a way of convincing people to move from vaccine skeptics to vaccine his tants to vaccinated. >> also dealing with this is what so many americans are dealing with right now. thank you for reporting on this. coming up in our next hour, covid rising. dr. irwin redlener joins me, plus jeremy drinkwitz from

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welcome back, everybody. we want to return to capitol hill where lawmakers are holding a rare sunday session awaiting the text of a long, anticipated infrastructure bill. let's go to leigh ann caldwell who's waiting for any updates. leigh ann, any updates since we last spoke? >> reporter: i wish there was a big update, yasmin, but i can say a source sent me the text of the latest draft of this bill. it runs about 2,700 pages. other sources are still cautioning me that this is still an active negotiation and that there could still be some substantial changes made to this. so even as senate majority leader chuck schumer said a couple of hours ago, a few hours ago now that a deal is imminent,

it still seems like they are still working on it. leader schumer created and had the senate in session to try to move things along. perhaps it was necessary to get everyone to finally agree to things, but it's still taking quite a bit of time and much longer than expected, yasmin. >> i want to get to this mccarthy news real quick, but just update folks while i have you kind of on what happens next once this text actually drops? >> reporter: yeah. so what happens next is that there will be some official filing of this legislation on the senate floor. it doesn't take any votes. but then senators will be able to file amendments, ways that they want to change the legislation. then they will start voting on amendments and that could start as early as tonight or it might start tomorrow, depending on when they finalize this legislative text. every amendment will need the support of 50 senators -- excuse me, the support of 60 senators

in order to change the legislation so it's a very high bar. once they dispense of all the amendments that the leaders agree to hold votes on, then they have a vote on final passage. so leader schumer said this could take the next few days and he hopes to have it wrapped up by the end of the week, yasmin. >> okay. so stick with me because i want to talk about this new reporting about comments made by minority leader mccarthy about nancy pelosi during a tennessee gop dinner last night. some pretty shocking audio that we're getting right now. listen to this. >> i want you to watch nancy pelosi hand me that gavel. [ cheers and applause ] it will be hard not to hit her with it. >> wow. unbelievable to hear him say that. see me hit her with that gavel. but nonetheless, leigh ann, what else are we learning about this?

>> well, a spokesman to leader mccarthy says that he was obviously joking, but leader pelosi and many democrats have come to her defense in saying that this is no joke. her deputy chief of staff tweeted that a threat of violence to someone who is a target of january 6th assassination attempt from your fellow trump supporters is irresponsible and disgusting. other people like representative debbie dingell says language like this led to violence and death in the united states capitol. gop leader knows his words carry weight. he must apologize immediately. now, yasmin, this is just the latest confrontation between leader mccarthy and speaker pelosi, whose relationship -- it was never good before january 6th, but after january 6th it has completely disintegrated. last week speaker pelosi called mccarthy a moron and now we have these words from mccarthy last night. so things are extremely broken, especially over in the house of

representatives. you know, leader mccarthy and pelosi have not done much to repair it and have only made it worse. >> zero working relationship there. leigh ann, good to talk to you. i'm sure i'll talk to you again soon. stay close, my friend. still ahead, everybody, the winding road from gitmo to freedom for abdul nassar. has his story came to be told by the other letief. we'll be right back. e other letf we'll be right back. ♪♪ t-minus two minutes and counting. ♪♪ um, she's eating the rocket. -copy that, she's eating the rocket. i assume we needed that? [chomping sound] ♪♪ lunchables! built to be eaten. she has eaten the rocket. [girl burps] over. are you one of the millions of americans who experience occasional bloating, gas or abdominal discomfort? [girl burps]

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welcome back. last month a guantanamo bay detainee became the first prisoner freed under the biden administration. the 56-year-old moroccan alleged to have been an active member of the taliban was never charged with a crime during his time at gitmo and his lawyers maintain that none of the u.s. government's claims have ever been aired in a court of law. his name is abdul latif nasir. my next guest calls himself the other latif, dedicating years of his life investigating the crimes of detainee 244 as discovering they share the same name, amongst other things. let's listen. >> when i type in my name, first name, latif, last name nasser, what it says is there are one or fewer people in the united

states named latif nasser. one or fewer? i'm the one. how could there be fewer? i found another one. and this is the story about that guy. the other latif nasser. the one that the census does not count. the one that if you write him a letter, and i have many times, it'll just come right back return to sender. the one that doesn't have a passport, a driver's license, a social security number or a phone number for that matter. i've come to think of him as a black hole in a black hole. and that's because the other latif nasser is detainee 244 at guantanamo bay. >> joining me now is latif nasser, host of a podcast

series. i want to thank you for joining us. really appreciate it. this is really nas fas nagt -- fascinating stuff. did you ever get to the bottom through your investigations of latif nasser as to who he was and what he actually did? >> yeah, it's so hard when so much of the evidence is classified, is off limits, you just can't see it. but to the degree that you could, we did over 70 interviews about him. we looked at tons of leaked and declassified documents to the degree that we were able to get to the bottom of that. it looked to us like he was a low to mid-level fighter, that he certainly never targeted -- we didn't see any evidence that he targeted civilians. a lot of the evidence that there was, that he did things like -- that he was al qaeda's top explosives expert and that he blew up the famous buddha

statues or things like that, a lot of that evidence was really based on sort of trumped-up kind of jailhouse informant type evidence that really would not have stood up in court. >> could you trust the american intelligence that you saw? >> it seemed super, super unreliable. certainly there was evidence that i did not see. there was a lot that was classified. but from everything i saw, it was a very flimsy case. >> he's now home in morocco. have you had an opportunity to speak with the other latif nasser? >> i have sent him some -- like -- i was going to send him a letter, but instead i sent him a voice memo. i had never heard his voice, he probably never heard my voice. so i'm kind of letting him get adjusted there in casablanca and

then hopefully he'll agree to do an interview with me. >> what about his family? i know you visited there. what did they have to say about who he is and was? >> well, he -- they didn't really know much. they hadn't seen him in years. by the time i showed up, i had one of the eeriest moments of my life. i went into his family home and one of his sisters came up to me when she saw me and started crying and told me that not only did i share his name, i also shared his height and his build. she said i looked like him. she said that i was the same age that he was when she last saw him. it was really eerie. but she kind of -- to her he was frozen in amber. like she didn't know what happened when he went away. one day someone from the red cross showed up at their house and said your brother is in cuba, which to them seemed like

the most arbitrary place he could possibly be. >> wow. it's fascinating stuff. i wish we had more time to talk more about this and some of your inspiration aside from sharing the same name as to why you are looking into abdul latif nas irin the first place. i would love if you could come back on possibly after you make contact with him in morocco. that would be fascinating to talk to you about that. we appreciate you joining us this afternoon. thank you so much. by the way, catch up with latif's series, the other latif, wherever you get your podcasts. we're doing this every single week so let me know what podcasts you love. we'll be right back. podcasts you love. we'll be right back. g different. oh, we can help with that. okay, imagine this... your mover, rob, he's on the scene and needs a plan with a mobile hotspot. we cut to downtown, your sales rep lisa has to send some files, asap! so basically i can pick the right plan for each employee...

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the streets knowing that we couldn't even contain covid-19 with the housing crisis we have right now and with what's going on in our country. how do we contain -- how do we help with 7 more million people on the streets? we cannot do that. >> so an update to that. house speaker nancy pelosi did in fact respond in a statement last night saying that she would recall the house if the senate would agree to act on extending the moratorium, which they have yet to do. we've hit the top of the hour, everybody. you're watching msnbc reports with i can't say minimum voss voss. -- yasmin vossoughian. welcome, everybody. i'm yasmin vossoughian. if you are still with us sticking around, thank you. if you are just joining, welcome. great to see you. we are continuing to follow the breaking news out of the senate. in a rare sunday session involving a long-awaited bipartisan infrastructure bill, a race against time with just one week before re