team u.s.a. came out on top in the final medal count edging out china. that wraps up the hour for me, everybody. i will be back next saturday and sunday at 3:00 p.m. eastern. i'm going to turn it every now to reverend al sharpton, and "politics nation." good evening, and welcome to "politics nation." tonight's lead, down to the wire. the two most conspicuous legislative fights over the last two months over infrastructure and voting rates appear to be getting closer to their later rounds, the senate voting this weekend to advance the legislation behind president biden's bipartisan infrastructure plan with a last-minute assist from vice president kamala harris on

capitol hill, meeting in solidarity with democratic senators as their majority leader, chuck schumer, reportedly expects his caucus to push to take up voting rights legislation ahead of the senate's rapidly approaching summer recess with an eye on next year's mid terms. what appears to be a budding victory lap for the biden administration, the containment of covid-19, thanks to a vigorous vaccination campaign is now in peril at a crucial time. with the delta variant of the covid-19 virus ravaging the nation, specifically those states where republican governors have demonized if not thenned to punish the mandated mask use of masks. all of that tonight on "politics nation." so let's get started.

joining me now is senator debby stabenow of michigan, a democrat. senator, thank you for joining us first tonight. let me go to this, senator stabenow, because it appears that this infrastructure plan is advancing legislatively. is it fair to say that former president trump's effort to bring down the bipartisan deal fell mostly upon deaf ears among republicans signaling his waning influence on capitol hill? is that fair to say? >> well, first of all, reverend al, it's always great to be with you. it's been i think over 100 -- 1b had been 655 days and counting when president trump first had infrastructure week. remember that? and it never happened. so it has happened under

president biden and this bipartisan effort in the senate. and, frankly, donald trump has had no impact on this whatsoever. i have not heard anybody say -- well, i shouldn't say that. there might be a couple of folks, maybe, that have been worried about this. we have a new member, senator haggerty that's slowed this process down significantly, and i don't know how much donald trump's comments have impacted him. but they certainly have not impacted the majority. we are going to get this bipartisan infrastructure bill, which is step one of president biden's build back better agenda. and then we are going to go immediately to step two, which is the budget, where we are going to bring down costs for americans. we are going to continue this large tax cut for american families. we are going to create jobs while we are attacking the climate change. and the good thing, reverend al is we are going to be able to pay for all of that in the budget by just making sure that

the wealthy pay their fair share. so i am looking forward to that. >> now, senator, i saw this week where you and ohio senator rob portman were able to add legislation to the infrastructure plan, an initiative that focuses on educating americans about recycling. it's an important priority, certainly. but for someone watching this show and wondering what the fate of voting rights legislation, and thus voting rights will be, i can't say that i blame them for asking why there was a breakthrough here leading up to yesterday's vote to advance on infrastructure while some pundits have cashed your majority leader's reported expectation to advance voting rights legislation before this upcoming recess as ultimately futile just as the previous attempt was this summer? is that a fair question to ask,

senator, why a breakthrough on infrastructure while we have not seen one on voting rights, which is absolutely needed. >> reverend al, the most important thing we need to do is protect people's freedom to vote. i agree with senator warnock. he talks about infrastructure. the real infrastructure we need to protect and build up is the infrastructure of voting, the right to vote. so there is no question about that. and if we had the votes to be able to move that forward right now, we would be literally voting rather than my talking to you right now. i mean we -- we all know. i mean, we -- i believe we can get to, and we are working very hard, and there is good faith efforts to get all 50 democrats on the same page on a voting rights bill. but unless we change the rules that are -- that, in my opinion, need to be changed, we are not going to be able to get that

done. so we are trying to figure out how to do that. i think right now on the senate rules we have the tierney of the minuterity that is holding up even the current infrastructure bill on roads and sues and bridges and sewer systems. we have them holding this up as it relates to the rules. so you are absolutely right. everyone in right in saying the most important thing is voting rights, and protecting our democracy. what we have to do, with the slimmest of majorities, as you know, 50/50 is to figure out how we get there. ultimately, we get there stopping the subversion of the rules in the senate, in my judgment, and eliminating the filibuster. >> that term -- the term tierney of the minority is appropriate, which is why many of us in the civil rights community is going to keep pushing those democrats that have not come in around

this question of either getting rid of the filibuster or at least have a work-around, a carve-out. but when it comes to voting, it certainly should stand. you mentioned voting in an opinion released friday. your state attorney general said that your auditor general does not have the authority to -- local results. the movement is for an audit of the 2020 presidential election results. so far it has no traction. what happens with this before next year's midterm elections. >> what is happening in michigan has been happening across the country. of course georgia. of course texas. and other places. it is a comprehensive strategy by republicans to take away

people's freedoms to vote. so in our last election in 2020, we had i think it was over 250 legitimate audits. you know, local republican clerks, local democratic clerks, our secretary of state, everyone saying that this was an incredibly successful election with integrity. there was not fraud. there have been all kinds of lawsuits that have been dismissed that the trump folks have tried to bring forward. so they are going to try to continue to do that. we're working in a very organized way in michigan to slow down or stop what the republicans in the state legislature are trying to do. and they are basically trying to to what was done in georgia. it's,' similar. and we have been work -- it's

very, very similar. we have been working to slow that down and at least not have it take effect for the 2022 elections. but we know they will have something on the ballot for 2022. so this really is an all-hands-on-deck moment for all of us. >> yeah. >> republicans trying to take away people's rights to votes, they have no shame on this. i mean they are doing this out in the open. >> sheemlessness. clear shamelessness. the importance -- let me raise this. the importance of vice president harris in infrastructure negotiations -- she came over yesterday, i believe. how did her role help to put us where we appear to be able to get at least a first step toward dealing with this infrastructure need in the country? >> well, the vice president has played a very significant role. and of course as a former senate colleague, she understands how

the senate works and all the craziness, frankly, in terms of the rules, when they can be subverted. i think her presence just reaffirmed how critical it is to get step one done of the build back better agenda. and then we have to go to step two. i had an opportunity to meet with her privately a couple of days ago when i was at the white house. and we were celebrating the next step on electric vehicles, and how we tackle the climate crisis relating to using electric vehicles. we were lucky to spend time together talking about what's going on right now in the senate. and her -- her leadership, i think, is very, very important. >> all right. thank you, senator debby stabenow of michigan. now to the delta variant of covid-19. as it continues to exact its own distinct toll on both public

health and recovery. but adding to the chaos are bans on mask mandates issued by gop governors in statements with some of the worst numbers. joining me now, kathleen sabillas, the former secretary of health under former president obama. she is also the former governor of the state of cans cans. thank you for joining us first of all. tonight. >> great to see you again, reverend. >> tonight president biden's national -- great to see you. tonight, president biden's national vaccination effort appeared to be bearing fruit. and from that he gained that political capital he has needed, at least in part. and now the delta variant. in addition to the adding to the

infection rate and taking live is also jeopardizing the president's agenda at a crucial time. as a former governor and a former hhs secretary, how do you view the president's present situation? >> well, i think you have described it very well, reverend sharpton. we are in a situation where we have a miraculous vaccine. it's free. it's widely available. the biden team has done an extraordinary job getting it out across the country, getting messages out, working with partnerships. and yet once again, we see republicans playing politics with people's lives. that's terrifying. they have done the same thing since the passage of the affordable care act when republican ledges lators and in some cases governors refused to expand medicaid in spite of the fact that those citizens have been entitled to a benefit since january of 2014. and now we're really in a situation where kids are going

to go back to school. in kansas, our children will start back to school next week. and our governor, a democratic governor, wants to have a statewide mask mandate in place. the republican legislature overruled her authority to do that. so she is now begging local jurisdictions, local school boards, to follow the guidance and make sure that we protect children as they head back to school, that everyone, particularly in elementary school, but in all schools, hopefully, will be wearing masks, until we get a handled on this variant. and the only way to get a handle on it is get shots in arms. >> now, as a former governor, what is it like to watch these governors perform largely for donald trump and his voters within their state despite an escalating public health catastrophe? i mean, what is it look for you

to see this, as a former governor? >> well, it's terrifying. as a former governor, as a former health administrator at the federal level, and as a mother and grandmother. i have four grandchildren under the age of 9. there are 48 million children in the united states under the age of 12. they cannot be vaccinated right now until vaccines are cleared for that younger population. the only way to protect them -- and i heard tony fauci today on the news explaining this very carefully. you protect those children by surrounding them with adults who are vaccinated. so teachers, and day care workers and others absolutely need to be vaccinated. and then, secondly, you put them in masks so that they, in spite of the fact that that's an abnormal place for a kid to be, they don't really like it a lot, my younger grandchildren have

gotten used to it. it's a way to keep them safe and secure. and what we see is children's hospitals across this country are beginning to fill up with sick children. most children don't get terribly ill. we don't know what the long term effects will be on all kids, but there are children who will get very sick from this disease, which is preventable. so it is really frightening to watch politics be played not with themselves -- i can guarantee you that most of the legislators, most of the governors who are putting these bans in place have been vaccinated themselves, have taken care of themselves and their families, have accepted the health insurance that the government has given them. what they are doing though is blocking other people is trying to convince people that dins donald trump somehow is casting doubt on the vaccine that he helped to accelerate, that they

should avoid public health guidance, they should not follow contract tracing rules, they should not wear masks, that this is how a loyalty test. and nothing could be more dangerous for constituents. >> yeah. now, two governors in particular stick out to me at this point in time. bill scott in vermont, where the vaccination rate is the highest in the country. and he's left it to school districts to mandate their masking policy. and then florida's ron de santis where, on friday, the state topped its highest one-day tally for new infections for the third time last week. according to the cdc, de santis has of course threatened to withhold funding from public school boards that mandate masks. now, both republicans, both

facing re-election. but very different responses and results. your thoughts, madam governor? >> well, again, i think it points to the fact that, you know, you have republicans like governor hogan in maryland, the governor in vermont who you just showed, others like governor baker who are trying to mobilize efforts to follow the science. you have ron de santis who you pointed to, and governor parsons in missouri who is doing everybody possible to undermine public health, undermining the science. it is a dangerous situation in which to live.

i live 25 miles from the missouri/kansas border. lots of communities in the area. what we have is lots of virus traveling back and forth across those communities and people who are trying to follow the rules in kansas, but continue to watch the virus ricochet around in missouri. so it's very dangerous. we have never seen -- reverend sharpton, we have never seen public health become a political wedge issue. we've never seen in our lifetimes, anybody like donald trump who took a public health crisis and tried to make it into a political battle. unfortunately, that continues on. and as people try to curry his favor looking at the 2022 elections, they are putting their constituents at risk. and they are putting a lot of other people at risk. this is not like you just make a decision for yourself. you are implicating all of those

children who cannot be vaccinated. you are in touch with people who are immune compromised and cancer survivors and others who are in very dangerous situations. so i am hopeful that the federal government will continue to do everything they can mandating their employees be vaccinated, mandating the rules be followed, putting people back in masks, urging private sector employers to do the same thing. then work carefully with school partnerships and nursing homes and others to try and make sure that people get shots in arms. we can identify where the vaccine rates are very low. in many places they correspond exactly with where people resisted medicaid, pangs. not a surprise when people are willing to play politics with other folks' lives, it is a very dangerous situation. >> all right. thank you secretary kathleen

sabillas. coming up on "politics nation," republican learned from trump's failure to steal the 2020 election, so they have a new tactic up their sleeves. we are going to talk about that. plus, some senate holdouts still standing in the way of protecting our voting rights. what will it take to flip on the filibuster? i will discuss that and much more with our political panel. but first, my colleague, richard lui with today's other news stories. >> some of the stories we are watching this hour. it is the first time in five months the u.s. now has more than 100,000 new covid cases daily on average. that average daily death toll as well has also almost doubled in the last two weeks. friday kicked off the annual motorcycle rally in sturgis, south dakota. the ten-day event is expected to bring in 700,000 attendees. the cdc warns the rally could

turn into a superspreader event. hundreds of new infections were linked to last year's rally. mask stations and vaccines will be available to attendees. the dixie wildfire in northern california is now the second largest fire in that state's history n. 25 days, it has burned over 463,000 acres. it's just 21% contained. in recent weeks, clouds of smoke from western fires have blanketed nearby cities. for instance, saturday smoke obscured the sunny skies in denver. more "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton right after a break. and now get netflix on us. it's all included with 2 lines for only $70 bucks! only at t-mobile. i was drowning in student loan debt. then i discovered sofi. lower interest rate. my principal is going down.

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welcome back to "politics nation." i would like the get to my political panel. joining me now, danielle moody, co-host of the democracyish podcast. and michael, partner at hamilton place strategies. let me start with the covid-19 pandemic. vaccinations have picked up in

the recent days as the delta variant surges. some republicans are finally joining the call to get the shot. but experts are warning it might be too little, too late after some of those same folks spent months dismissing the vaccine and refusing to mask up. michael, what is the responsibility of the republican party, the party itself, on this issue? >> well, let's start with the simple fact. public health should not be a political issue. period. full stop. we all need to do the smart things that are necessary to stop this deadly disease. reverend, you and i talked about this before this. makes no sense. these vaccines are arguably the signature achievement the trump administration, operation warp speed, working with the pharmaceutical companies, developed these life saving medications in record time.

everyone, trump supporter, trump hater, everyone in the united states who does not have a medical reason not to needs to be getting these medications as quickly as possible. i think anyone suggesting otherwise is peddling in irresponsibility. >> covid cases and hospitalizations are rising across the country even among children. meanwhile, many republican governors are standing in the way of state school openings. in texas, for example, governor abbott has banned mask mandates in schools, and the state will not require schools to conduct contact tracing or even alert parents if and when there are covid outbreaks. danielle, how can we keep these children safe? >> i mean, you know, reverend, i am not a lawyer. i tell folks this all the time on woke af, but i am waiting for the class action lawsuits against these republican governor who is are endangering

their constituents. it makes absolutely no sense. to michael's point, why have we politicized the pandemic? we are seeing school board meetings disrupted by people saying no masking my children. we are seeing a uptick around the world. we are battling multiple variants, delta plus as well as lambda which is in south america and in peru where children are being hospitalized. it makes no sense to me. i wonder, is it going to take the deaths of thousands of children for us to recognize that these governors are acting on their own political bhim and not following science, not following doctors' orders. it doesn't make any sense. until we lose children, which is going to be deeply significant especially to a party who has seen themselves as quote pro-life. but right now, they are

instituting death. for the party of small government i find it funny that they overruled their school boards, their city councils, they overrule everything they do not like. that's what we are seeing in florida, what we are seeing in texas, and what we are seeing in most of the red states. >> they only want big government when they can play the big government. but i want to turn now to the election system. now, donald trump tried and failed the steal the 2020 election. but it seems that republicans have learned from his mistake and are streamlining the process for another attempt even if the democratic candidate wins the most votes in 2024. republican-run legislatures could just declare their local administration was somehow corrupted, then send an alternate slate of electors to washington. michael, how should we be about

this possibility? and can we stop it? >> well, yes, we can stop it. we should be utterly opposed to the scenario that you described. absent evidence that the elections were poorly administered or corrupt. look, access to ballot issues has been a cornerstone in the fights between right and left over decades. reverend, you have been a part of that fight, you have been on the side that i generally disagree with. i think we can all understand the new threat, the threat donald trump is trying to introduce, the threat of trying to overthrow elections. that is a new and dangerous element in our partisan battles. and we need to fight it tooth and nail. >> danielle, republicans are already trying to lay the ground work for that kind of election coup in states like michigan by trying to cast doubt on the most secure election in history so far. so far, michigan's democratic

governor and attorney general and the secretary of state have upheld their state constitution and not allowed the kind of sham audit we are seeing in arizona. what happens if they get replaced in next year's election? >> i mean, the reality is, reverend, is thatrely on states to do the right thing and rely on people to follow their values and moral metric. that doesn't work. shaming doesn't work. we need action at the federal level. we need a bill that can actually pass. hr-1 was a campaign bill, an idea, something for people to rally around. but they knew when it was ofrds up it was an omnibus that was never going to pass. we need a strict down the line voting rights piece of legislation that allows every american that's able to vote to be able to vote without

discrimination, without suppression, without indimtation. that's what we need. that's why we saw the democrats in texas flee texas, flee texas, as a way to uphold voting rights because they knew that they needed to get to the nation's capitol and plea their case. this is where we are, where we have state legislatures around the country fleeing their states as a way to call on congress to do their job. >> yeah? we cannot look at a patchwork -- a patchwork order as a way to fix this. we need action. and we need it now. and we need to call on manchin and seine m.a. like you and your colleagues have been doing so long and say this is our time. this whole we can't get rid of the filibuster because of what? tradition? right? we need to get rid of it. >> federal law would supersede the state laws. lastly, i want to discuss the student debt crisis and the recent comments by the speaker of the house, nancy pelosi,

arguing that the president doesn't have the authority to cancel federal student debt. now, that -- this puts the speaker at odds with many in her own party who have been calling for action, danielle. i know you talk about this on your podcast this week. is student debt relief a racial justice issue? briefly, please explain. >> it is absolutely 100% an issue for our people, for black and brown people, because we are the ones that are told that we need to go in and get multiple degrees in order to be able to be competitive with our white counterparts that don't need necessarily those degrees, right? we are told that we have to do twice as much to get half. for pelosi to come out and say this i was shocked and outraged by her comment. young people, we were told by the democratic party, come, vote for us, stand in line for us. we are here for you.

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at the beginning of the pandemic, the trump administration released thousands of federal inmates from prison and placed them under home confinement to try and slow the spread of covid-19. according to the "new york times," last month the biden justice department concurred with the trump era memo ordering those inmates to return to prison with one month after the state of emergency ends, which comes as early as next year. now, many criminal justice advocates are asking the white

house and congress to consider other options for these inmates and their families. joining me now is amy ralston pover, a clemency advocate and former solemn ensy recipient and founder of the can-do foundation. amy, let's start at the beginning. why is the biden justice department siding with the trump administration on sending these inmates back to prison? >> well, that's a good question. it's rather disturbing considering president biden has reversed most of trump's policies. and here is one that falls clearly into their -- you know, their platform when they were campaigning that both president biden and vice president kamala harris said that they wanted to decrease the prison population. and here is a perfect opportunity because the ball is in his court where he could

grant categorical clemency to all the people who are on the c.a.r.e.s. act. they cited and said they looked at the bar minimo and found that it was solid. all of the criminal justice advocates disagree, including myself. >> according to the director of the federal bureau of prisoners, 24,000 prisoners are in home confinement, almost 7,000 of which are due to the c.a.r.e.s. act. the vast majority of them have not been sent back due to violations. most have been serving their sentence at home peacefully. so instead of them sending them back what are some of the other actions the president or congress can take to help those prisoners? >> well, again, many of us are pushing for categorical clemency. right now, i think there is

about 4,000 theme who are still out on the cars act under home confinement. and they are -- not everybody will have to go back. at least that's my interpretation. because most of these people were low level. they were already success stories. they had to have exemplary records in prison, no violence. and if they are within six months at the end of the pandemic from the end of their sentence, then they still qualify for halfway house time, which is always the threshold when you are getting out of prison and you have already served your time. so they may not have to return. but anybody who still has more than six months, a year or more -- and there are some that have several years still to serve on their sentences -- it looks like the biden administration is deciding that they will have to return. and we are all encouraging president biden to take this

opportunity to grant clemency to these individuals who -- most have car notes now. a lot of them have gotten apartments. they have jobs. some have been enrolled in college courses because they were under the impression when they left that they would not be returned. many of their case managers told them don't worry, as long as you follow the rules you will not be coming back. so this is a shock for a lot of these individuals. >> the "new york times" states why the biden administration wants to send these inmates book to prison is the thought of political fallout if any of these prisoners were to commit violent crimes while they are out. what kind of prisoners are we talking about here, amy? are they likely to commit violent crimes? >> no. they haven't yet. and just a couple of individuals, row shell, he is someone who has already served 34 years.

when went in when he was 36. he's going to be 70 in october. while he was incarcerated he raised $3,700 for hurricane katrina victims and got it to the red cross. he took this upon himself and encouraged other prisoners he was serving time with to donate money to this cause that they had on their books. and he did. then he heard about a child who was being bullied in school who was missing an eye and he raised money for a prosthetic eye. and he has since, while out on the c.a.r.e.s. act met the now young man who got the prosthetic eye. we are really concerned about raquel escobel and frankly several other people who they are already calling back. they seem to be calling people back in. frankly, the marshals pick them up on a very petty, minor violation like missing a phone call when the halfway house

checks in, escobel is seven months pregnant. she only had a first offense for marijuana. you may remember that senator kamala harris campaigned on freeing all the marijuana prisoners. she's seven months pregnant and there is an unborn child in her belly. and she is now in a county facility seven months pregnant and has only seen the doctor once. we are very concerned about her safety and the safety of the child. and her fiancee who she met -- she had already worked one year, and we did call in. her phone records show she called in, but the logs at the halfway house show she missed one phone call one day. that's debatable. >> wow. well, i have to leave it there. we will stay on this issue, though, watching it. amy, from the ka do foundation. thank you for being with us.

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that does it for me. thanks for watching. i'll see you back here next weekend at 5:00 p.m. eastern. my colleague aleash yu menendez picked up our news coverage now. >> thank you, reverend. hello, i'm alicia menendez. two pieces of breaking news as we come on air. the senate working to improve america. the chamber back at it this evening working through another sunday session,