u.s. forces landing at kabul's airport for what the pentagon says is a limited mission. to get embassy workers out. >> i expect that by the end of the weekend, the bulk of the 3,000 that we talked about yesterday will be in place. >> the u.s. embassy is ordering its staff to destroy sensitive documents and computers, according to a memo obtained by npr. afghan president ashraf ghani addressing the country for the first time in days saying i know you are worried about your future. i assure you i am focused on reducing violence. on the ground, the taliban are advancing across afghanistan at lightning speed. in one propaganda video they claim to be in control of the road to kabul, saying they are allowing government forces who surrendered to pass. in another militants claim they ambushed an afghan military convey 50 miles from the capital and captured government soldiers. the militants firmly in control of afghanistan's second largest

city kandahar and consolidating territory in the south, north and west. the taliban took its first provincial capital a week ago. now their territory looks like this. closing in on kabul. panicked afghans are you rush to the capital as aid agencies warn of a humanitarian crisis. >> at least 241,000 people have been forced to flee from their homes. and the humanitarian needs are growing by the hour. >> reporter: these men all worked for nato as construction workerless, cooks, interpreters. >> we are enlisted on the ground we learn the language we translated. we issued them. he is a tourist. we put them in the jail. because of that, they will kill us, every one they will kill us. >> reporter: many here feel abled and betrayed. nbc spoke directly with the taliban commander in afghanistan who said that the group is aware of u.s. forces in the country and said if any try anything

they'll be dealt with the same way they deal with afghan forces. ali. >> kelly in afghanistan. let me show you a picture. this is afghanistan, the dark oregon are here taliban controlled areas. white is controlled by the government. this is 5-iron over here. central asian countries. tajikistan over here. china, pakistan. what you have here is 5-iron, the first provincial capital to go. since then taking almost every other one. jalle bed. and under. kabul the big one. but there is taliban all around on the southwest side of kabul. now what has happened is the u.s. has put 3,000 new troops by the end of the weekend, 3,000 troops in there to keep as kelly said the road between the airport and embassy open to evacuate americans and allies of americans from there. the taliban is less likely to directly engage with those

american marines despite the fact that the taliban commander told nbc that they might do that. but at some point when those americans do leave there is a likelihood that kabul will fall like so much of the rest of the country to the taliban. all right. we'll continue to cover that story for you. turning to the ongoing threat posed by the plot by the failed former president and his cronies to overturn the results of the last election, and actually upend democracy. joe biden is still the president today contrary to a popular conspiracy theory petitionedland by the foam pillow man who said the ex-president would be reinstalled as the leader of the free world as of yesterday. obviously that didn't happen. biden won the election fair and square. he is still in office. but we continue to learn more details about the ex-president's plot to prevent that from happening. this week a man -- this man, the former u.s. attorney for the northern district of georgia, including atlanta, told the

senate judiciary committee what was behind his mysterious and abrupt resignation in early january. pak told the panel he resign the after officials at the justice department told him that the former president intended to fire him for not backing the baseless claims of widespread voter fraud in georgia. the ex-president was particularly obsessed with trying to overturn biden's victory in georgia and managed to find someone who would do that. enter jeffrey clark, the former acting head of the justice department's civil division. before that he was the assistant attorney general for the environment and natural resources division. here is why jeffrey clark is probably one of the most dangerous former trump officials you've never heard of his scheme involved plans to send leaders -- letters to the republican-led georgia legislature claiming that the justice department was investigating possible voter fraud in georgia. this was a lie. but clark drafted the letters in a way that would have made them

seem legitimate. with the department of justice letterhead on the top. would have read something like the department of justice is investigating various irregular regular latarius in the 2020 election for president of the united states. the department will update you as we are able on converting investigatory processing progress. but at this time we have identified significant concerns that may have impacted the outcome of the election in multiple states, including the state of georgia. it's a lie. that letter would have laid the groundwork for republicans in the state of georgia to essentially invalidate as many votes as they wanted to in order to overturn the will of georgia's voters and falsely declare the ex-president the winner. this sounds like the kind of thing that goes on in authoritarian regimes in the 1930s and 40s. this is 2012 in america. and the reason -- the reason that letter was never sent was because a very small group of people decided not to be criminals. and they squashed this plot early on. the former acting attorney general jeff rossen and his

number two richard donohue would not sign off. so the letters never saw the light of day until now. now we don't know if p.b. pac or rosen or richard donohue are the good fis. all we know is they chose not to undertake potentially criminal activity for the sake of protecting the failed former president's ego. however the fate of our democracy smutd not solely rely on a few people we hope did do the right thing in moments like this. but it kind of does. currently there are no legislative railroad legal guard rails in place preventing a scheme like clark's from being launched in the future which is why he and the other ex-president enablers must be held to account. with now msnbc contributor eugene daniel bes, the white house skoerpt and cothorough of politico playbook and ruth marcus. a editorial editor for the washingtons. jeffreyry clark who had no

business interfering in the election, a guy we never heard of -- the part i left out here is that there was an underlying promise there if jeff rossen and richard donohue did not do the president's bidding, jeffreyy clark would have been a name every american knew because he might have become the attorney general of the united states. >> that's exactly right, ali. i think this all ties together. i think that -- i don't know this for certain. but i believe that b.j. pacs with a sacrificial lamb. president trump on a sunday meeting with top people at the justice department and the white house was furious, had promised the ag job to jeffreyy clark wanted to get rid of the acting attorney general, jeffreyy rosen. too many jefferies in this story. he wanted to fire somebody. i think b.j. pac was the sacrificial lamb because the president was told if he fired rosen and installed jeffrey clark that the entire hierarchy

of the justice department remaining hierarchy of the justice department would resign. and i think you got it exactly right. we have focused properly on the coup we saw unfold before our eyes on january 6th. but there was a slow motion coup that did not succeed, thank goodness, but attempting to be unfolded with the conknifeens of jeffrey clark in the weeks before that. and that's what we need to know more about. it's essential we get his sworn testimony. >> eugene, when ruth marcus says it did not succeed thank goodness. i was hoping we could rely on more than that in the 2021 in america. i'm alarmed by the fact that this -- it may not have been entirely legal. if it were entirely illegal we may not know that for a while. in other words the whole idea that the government appointees members of the executive brarmg serve at the pleasure of the president, i always thought that meant he can appoint them and move them around.

i didn't think he could use them to corrupt the democratic process. but apparently he can. >> well he is not the poster. that is the things, the founders and everyone they didn't really see this. they didn't expect to have apartment -- as you put it cronies and allies who would do something like this and who would try to put into motion an actual overturning of an election. that is something that, you know, you talked to experts who have been thinking about and talking about and writing about the people who founded this country for decades. and they are -- they are saying, you know, they would have never seen this. and so that is why there aren't as you put it legal protections, any kind of law that says, in can't be done, because this wasn't something that was expected. right this was not something that was expected. and as we keep -- you know, ruth's amazing op-ed, all of the different reports, some by me colleagues and others about just how close we actually got to

this clark kind of thing working out, other investigations that were forced by the justice department for the fbi to look into this very strange georgia video at one point that the president is a said had people bringing suitcases of votes, and just how close we were to this actually working. so this -- this administration is focused on a lot of different things. but underlying every single thing is this. january 6th, the overturning of the election, the fact that trump is still out there spreading the lies. and that is something that someone at some point is going to have to really really deal with. that's what the investigations that are happening, the inspector general and also the house investigation is -- are going to look at and that at some point probably get to the bottom of and give us even starker picture. but whether or not there is punishment is a different conversation. >> ruth, let's talk about that, punishment or accountability. we have the senate judiciary, department of justice inspector general we've got the house january 6th commission. we all want accountability.

that's really important in society. we don't see any of that. we don't see donald trump facing a lot of that just yet. but we need structural change. do you have any sense of who would be responsible for initiating that process of making sure that another coup attempt can't happen? because every coup attempt was preceded by a failed coup attempt. >> that's a really good point, ali. there are small structural changes i could talk about. but i want to suggest that we have talked about the absence of legal constraints here. i think there are some legal constraints. the president is entitled to fire his attorney general. but i think if he fires his attorney general as part of a corrupt effort to undo the election, that might not pass muster. jeffrey clark and others who, like mark meadows, who participated in the effort to undo the election have a duty and jeffrey cleric's case, an ethical professional duty to represent their client.

jeffrey clark's client was not the president of the united states in his capacity as a candidate. it was the people of the united states. and if he improperly did things on government computers, on government time, to further the interests not of the united states but of donald trump candidate, that that is a potential legal problem for him, potential bar problem for him. at the same time we don't know what he did. and there is some frustrations in learning what he did. i'll give you one example. the justice department inspector general is investigating, as he should be, what happened at the justice department in the closing days of the trump administration. but he cannot force jeffrey clark to testify. why not? because jeffrey clark is a former justice department official. and he can't compel that testimony. >> wow. i learn so much from both of you. thank you so much. and somebody's dog really enjoyed that as well. >> i kept him quiet the whole

time. >> we're big with pets on "velshi." >> there is some treats going on behind the scenes here. >> thanks to both of. . good to see you this morning. eugene daniels who us correspondent at politico and co-author of the politico playbook. ruth m-columnist, editor at the “washington post” with a article on jeffrey clark. joining me now the pennsylvania senator. casey. i talked to you about stuff this congress and legislative priorities. but i have to ask you about this. because so much happened since the last time you and i talked where we have discovered that this -- in pipe dream of donald trump's to undermine the election was substantially more than a pipe treem. it was a plot. >> yeah, ali, i think what you heard in the last discussion is there is a lot of activity to hold folks accountable but there is still a lot of work to do to make sure that in the aftermath

of a national election that a former president and his allies would be perpetuating this lie and misleading people. and that can -- and leading up to that, that fateful day of january the 6th and the new administration coming into office on the 20th, there has to be a measure of accountability we haven't seen yet. and it can't just be accountable imposed upon individuals who stormed the capitol. . they have to be held accountable but officials do as well. i'm grateful that we have the january 6th commission and other efforts oversight in the nature of an oversight, whether it's the senate judiciary committee or otherwise. but still a lot of accountability to be imposed on powerful people. >> mostly it's only democrats wanting to get this done. which is troubling. because i think there would be enough variation in the republican party, a little who want to get to the bottom of it but speaks to another issue.

there is a lot of variety in the democratic party right now. it's so big a tent, right now parts of the agenda the president would like to get done, the reconciliation bill, the bigger bill, the human infrastructure, if you will, bill, is being challenged by some democratic moderates say not voting on that until you make sure the house passes the big infrastructure bill that you all agreed on. and there are progressives saying we're not passing that infrastructure bill until you pass the other bill. what do we do about this? >> well, ali, first of all we have to do both. i'm happy we have an infrastructure bill done now that is all worked out that has revenues to pay for it and some help for states like mine. give you one up in 3353. that's the number of bridges in my home state. and this bill will help us repair a lot of those bridges. but we have to do the second part. we have to invest in families and workers to get people back

to work. you know, as important as it is to repair a bridge in my home state for a lot of women in the workplace their bridge to work is quality affordable child care. their bridge might be having someone take care of mom, dad, or a child with a disability. we better make sure we stand with child care, also home and community-based care facilities for seniors and people with disabilities. if we don't do all of this we're not going to be meeting -- at the moment we're in, at the moment we need to invest in families in the grip and the aftermath of the pandemic, but also to prepare thework vrs of the future. if we want to outcompete china, got to invest in child care. pre-k is about half the workforce. we have to do both. >> thank for joining us this morning mop bob casey of pennsylvania. still to come on a power-packed hour of "velshi," america is way

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i want to turn back to afghanistan. we're keeping a close eye on what's going on there. the taliban regained control of most of the country with lightning speed. the u.n. refugee agency says about 250,000 afghans have been forced from their homes since may. 80% of whom are women and children. afghanistan' acting education minister told npr recently, quote, there is a lot of fear among girls and women. i've had many messages from me female family friends calling me asking what they should expect.

i wish i had an answer for them. end kwoelt. there will be be a lot of looser at the end of this when the taliban reclaims control, but none missouri more so than the women and girls of the country who stand to lose the most. joining me now is the international human rights attorney kimberly motly spent years on the ground in afghanistan as a lawyer for women. a author of lawless, unrelenting fight for justice in a war zone. you worked in afghanistan recently. and you say in june it was bad. and even you're shocked with what's happened. >> i mean, the lightning speed at which the the taliban is taking over the country is appalling. it's not a matter now of if they'll take it over. it's when. and we can stop this. and we should stop this because this is a humanitarian nuclear bomb we have unfortunately been a part of and we need to do something. we have responsibility to do something. >> tell me about the situation of women in afghanistan. we've all heard about it anecdotally. but you were actually there.

tell me what was happening in the last few years with women. >> with women what we have seen for instance with programs such as michelle obama's let girls learn program, before we went there 20 years ago there weren't any girls in school. the last five years there's been over 8 op thousand girls benefitted from the program for the specific program with michelle obama those girls would entering the 8th galbraith. if the taliban come in that's done. no girls in schools. girls enslaved. that's it. >> so the you are -- a lot of people say look we were there 20 years and nothing got done and nothing is getting done. in fact you witnessed things were changing, things were -- there were better under civil administration than under the taliban. >> i think in cooperation with the afghan government and our allies we have done a lot. first of all there is more girls in school than have ever been in afghanistan. the infant mortality rate dramatically decreased. we have good relations with the

afghans, more women represented in various sectors, more women doctors. i have one woman doctor i was talking to yesterday. and she was telling me how her husband was killed by the taliban on monday, and her and her five girls are terrified. and they doesn't know what to do. >> and in your opinion with real reason to be terrified, this isn't unreasonable given what you have seen the taliban did to women and zblirls what they are doing right now in real time, going door to door and ripping girls away from their parents and making these girls into child brides. i mean, it's absolutely disgusting. and we have to do something. i mean, as america, you know, we went there with the idea of democracy and freedom and rights. and we have -- and they bought into that, which i think is good we promoted democracy. and now it looks as though we are abandoning them. we shouldn't be doing that. because this is our responsibility. if we lour the taliban to attack afghanistan that is really attacking america. we haven't been there for -- 20

years is not long enough to continually -- chetly change and stabilize a country. you know, the education of girls is really what was starting to make a turn around. education is so important for the country. it's the only way it's one of the main ways that you can change the mindset and change the taliban crap that's been going on is seeing girls and seeing kids going to school, being educated, being represented in the health sector, legal sector, the education sector. and we're complicit with what's going on. as americans we're now negotiating with terrorists that are committing war crimes in realtime? this is not who we're supposed to be. >> you made an interesting point before we got on air. in some of the countries that have been most destructive to democracy and america in history like germany or japan, we're still there. >> absolutely. >> we still have a presence in those countries. obviously it's not the taliban and there are lots of historical things about that it thak make it different.

but you don't buy the appropriating it hasn't worked so get out. >> i think the argument this is a forever whereo war ito is a fallacy. we've been in germany since the 1930s in japan since the 1940s. we commonly stay in countries so we can promote our interests and stabilize the country and work cooperatively with the country. we have not been in afghanistan -- i mean 20 years is long but it's not long enough. and it was really just making that turning point for there to be real change. and when you keep in mind that afghanistan is a very young country, about 70% of the country is under the age of 24. that subset, they only know war. however they also only know the cooperation between the u.s. and our allies. and they are terrified. and they are -- the taliban is closing in and we allow for this to continue -- if we allow this to continue by september 11th, the taliban flag will be flying at our u.s. embassy in afghanistan. is that what we're doing?

are we being punked as americans by the taliban? we are miles away from the twin towers right now, you and i. why which went in there. we have a responsibility to do to do something. our ally haves a responsibility to do something. this is not okay. this is a humanitarian nuclear bomb we can change. just the idea having 2500 troops in, that psychologically will allow seven million girls to be educated. it will allow three million girls to graduate from high school this year. we cannot leave -- we shall not leave. we have a responsibility. >> yeah, that troop surge we just put in there to protect the airport and the embassy has alone possibly stopped kabul from collapsing. so thank you for your passionate input into this and the work you've done for women and girls in afghanistan. as you said this is a humanitarian nuclear bomb that we are watching right now. thank you for your time and efforts. >> thank you for having me, ali. >> kimber motly international human rights and civil rights attorney, author the "lawless, a lawyer's unrelenting fight for justice in a war zone.

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kylie henry chloe williams. enchts unless you've been living under a rock or in a state wrun by republicans you know it's not time to let our guard against covid-19. a record number of adults and children are being hospitalized and even seeing breakthrough cases in vaccinated people. yet there is a caucus of lawmakers who seem to be working on the sited of the virus. they're working against common sense public health measuring. starting right at the top. we've got the former president donald trump reportedly refusing to publicly urge supporters to get the covid vaccine. which is a problem because one-third of trump supporters don't plan on getting vaccinated at all. worth note, the trump equitily got vaccinated himself back in january. as soon as the vaccine was

available to him. in florida, governor desantis is standing firm on banning mask mandates in school and has threatened to hit superintendents pachgts if they try to make masks mandatory. desantis walked that threat back a bit. seems to acknowledge that he has no legal right to withheld the salaries of school board members. his office says zpint officials should be responsible for the consequences of their decisions which is kind of exactly why they are putting mask mandates in place. texas governor greg abbott wanted to get in on the threaten constituents thing. he sweeted earlier. any school district public university or local government official decides to defy ga 38 prohibits mandating mavericks will be taken to court, end quote. little did he know school districts would sue him over his reckless handling of covid and banning mask mandates. joining me now is it travis county judge andy brown who signed orders requiring masks in public schools and county and city buildings, despite governor

abbott's threat. judge brown you have done so in direct contra convention of the law that your governor says is going to goat you in trouble. why? >> because, frankly, the threats from our governor and our attorney general are nothing compared to the threats faced by our children when they go back to school, the threats of getting sick, threats of potentially dying. and our icu numbers are filling up. in north texas judge jenkins told me yesterday that the pediatric icus were full. in austin and travis county our adult icus are full. and we have kids in the pediatric icus as well. it's the right thing to do. and you know, frankly we're on the ground locally. we see what's happening. the governor needs to lead on this or get out of the way. >> judge jenkins said something that stopped me in my tracks. he said the pediatric icus are full. your child if they need to be in a pediatric icu will have to wait until another child dies.

in 2021 in america, in texas which lass actually some of the best health care infrastructure in the entire country, to hear somebody's child has to die so your child gets into the icu is mind boggling. >> it is. the way that texas ge jenkins can use our powers to in an emergency to protect the constituents that we serve. these are frankly they're the same constituents, the same kids that the governor serves on a statewide basis. i frankly don't know why he is -- he is, you know, trying to stop us from saving kids who are trying to go back to school. we work together really well getting vaccines out back in february, march and april, set up a sort of consortium of four counties in central texas, two democrats, two republicans and the statewide leadership including the governor and got out hundreds of thousands of vaccines together. i just don't understand why

we're not working together on stopping this spread of the delta variant as our kids go back to school and are put in dangerous situations in indoor classrooms, if they're not required to bear masks. >> what's the logic of it? just work it out for me. texas is a place with a lot of sort of republican and conservative history who believe that governments shouldn't be, you know, telling localities what to do. you have a lot of independent counties. who gets -- who wins from this? i'm trying to figure out why this is good, because all that happens is your icus get filled, kids with covid, lots of people getting sick. who wins? >> and i -- i honest don't understand. what we are seeing is people all across the state, not just democrats like me and judge jenkins. but we have typically republican areas by mike fort worth independent school. spring independent school districts. school districts across the state and counties cross the state that see it the way you

stated. they don't understand what advantage there is to the governor to not protect kids as they go back to school, not to say look, science says this we know masks work on preventing transmission of covid and the delta variant. and kids under 12 can't get vaccinated yet. so he puts our most vulnerable children frankly in harms way if he he doesn't allow local officialing, school districts across the state to require masks as the unvaccinated children go back to school. >> you give me some home in that you talk about the fact that some republican claegs in other counties are working with you. it's not entirely down party lines. it's just not dmakts want to wear masks and just republicans doesn't. >> no, not at all. i mean there -- yeah, i've been frankly surprised. our community college austin community college yesterday said that they were implementing a mask mandate as well. and yeah, it's -- i get words from some school districts frankly that ask for me to enter the order just to sort of lay

the groundwork and give them, you know, some cover so they can then follow up and do it themselves. because this is an issue that shouldn't be partisan. >> no. >> should not take into politics and frankly the governor and the attorney general are making it that way. >> judge brown, good to see you thank you for doing what you are. and thanks for giving them the cover they need to keep the kids safe. judge andy brown. coming up, the descendants of one of the most brutal experiments in human history take their pain and turn it into purpose. that's next. d turn it into purpose. that's next. verizon launched the first 5g network and now we want

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and they are the descendants of the victimized by one of the most disturbing medical experiments in american history. but now relatives of the black men who participated in the tuskegee experiments more than 40 years ago raise voices to combat vaccine distrust. megan fitzgerald explains. >> reporter: the nation racing to win over the unvaccinated as covid cases surge. >> are you vaccinated? >> not at the moment. >> but among some african-americans, fear. >> what'ses hesitancy. >> we've been sold so many lies so many years. >> mistrust in the medical system rooted in history like the tuskegee study in 1932 a 40-year experiment with 400 black men living with civil us were zpid treatment. public health officials wanting to see the effect of the untreated disease.

more than 100 men died from the disease or related complications. >> knowing that you were denied treatment and that you were lied to would affect anybody. >> carmen thornton's grandfather was part of the study. >> there is a lesson in taking broken pieces and turning it into something that's effective and supportive. >> turning the pain of the past into purpose. carmen and several other descendants speak out in a new documentary, encouraging people to get vaccinated. >> if you are using the syphillus stvrd as rationale for not getting the vaccine to just stop doing that. >> out of 195 million americans receiving at least one shot, only 10% are african-american. but black people are two times more likely to die from the disease. >> it was a shock. >> it's a reality that hits home for colonel upset daniel, his

aunt and uncle were too afraid to get vaccinated and dies last month hours apart from covid-19. >> it's traumatizing, particularly when you know that there was a possible solution. >> reporter: trauma fueling the race to change minds, before it's too late. >> megan fitzgerald thank you. i want to bring in tiffany cross of the cross connection. tiffany, as i traveled around the country during covid talking to groups of americans particularly black americans, this was the starkest example that they used. it's the thing everybody knows about the medical system and the disrespect shown to black people. it's a hard hurdle to overcome, the tuskegee experiments. >> it is. and that's what's so frustrating about this. there are people with legitimate distrust in the medical system based on her history and data in fact. and then there is the other crowd never known actually persecution or oppression. they think masks are such things. but, you know, i'll tell you i

talk to a lot of people citing the dusk gee experiment as the reason they don't get the vaccine. when you ask what exactly happened, a lot of people don't know the details. it was a great piece. i'm glad you ran it, ali, we're get floog that on the show, definitely keeping our eye on afghanistan. you've done great analysis. i've been watching you all morning in front of the big map. that's superhelpful. as you know, our kelly trial is also kicking off with jury selection. we have terrina burke on who talks to us about the state of the me too movement and what comes next. we have a lot. ali, i have a favor. i don't want you to go far while i'm on the air, i have a feeling we may want to bring you on talk afghanistan if we have time to do that monitoring the situation as the fight is at kabul's door. >> i will stay close. i will stay close with my maps. terrina burke is one of the people i never talk to her about anything that's good. yet she makes us so much smarter and so much more sensitive to the things that have gone on.

she is truly one of my favorite people. one day i would like to talk to her about something that's just positive, like, you know, pink cloud to pink cloud stuff. that's not where we are these days. but she is fantastic and i look forward to seeing her tiffany cross the host of msnbc cross-connection. join her at the top of the hours. as she said we are following breaking news. we have breaking news out of haiti. a 7.2 magnitude earthquake had the western region of the country. officials are saying they do not expect a tsunami to follow. however the u.s. geological survey issued a red alert for probable casualties and economic losses. believe it or not parts of haiti are still not recovered fl the 2010 earthquake producing a deadly tsunami killing hundreds of thousands of people. haiti has very poor infrastructure when it comes to earthquakes. it's why you see more damage from the same size of earthquake -- same intensity you see in other parts of the world where construction codes are

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past week, which should tell us two things. one what america looks like and two, who represents americans in congress. based on her what we learned this week. america is less white and congress is likely to be more red. let me explain. look at race in the country. america is more diverse than ever. the share of the white population declined by double digits over the last decade. and the share of hispanic americans and asian-americans continued to grow. that diversity is reflected in urban areas. the country's ten largest cities all saw the populations increase.

it's a global phenomenon, urbanization, actually america has been a little slower at it. well all of in becomes a factor when congressional maps are redrawn. but here is something to consider. who draws the maps? republicans hold a massive advantage over democrats. some of the biggest gains gains reported in the census came in states where republicans control the redistricting process. you can see republicans can redraw 164 districts compared to democrats who can redistrict just 46. we already learned back in april when top line data from the census released which states gain seats and which would lose them. when you do the map see that the states that went red net two seat just states that wept blue lose two seats. for more on this i'm joined by christine beltran. author of "cruelty as citizenship." also with me is my old friend and colleague ray suarez on npr

and author of "latino americans." good morning to you both, friends. christina, the census shouldn't surprise most people that follow like you do population and demographics in america. i think that is conclusion is counter intuitive. people say if the census says we're more diverse the representation should get moredy verts. it is likely to get less diverse. >> exactly. that's a real challenge here is that the census is telling us something that we know. america is a deeply multiracial nation but the politics reflects removal where they try to disappear certain voices and populations. right? so i think they're trying to disappear a lot of americans politically. stephen miller or trump couldn't do it though they tried with anti-immigration politics but the gop can't make the nation

whiter so they use redistricting to strip citizens of their power. >> ray, one could imagine this is not a sustainable, long term idea or philosophy but it could be because they will redistrict and have influence over districts for at least ten years and power begets power. >> what's the key phrase? for at least the next ten years. democrats have not done well in elections. so the 2010 elections were a terrible midterm for the democrats. in the state houses, as well. so republicans had a disproportionate effect. there were big census headlines in 2010, too, but the effect was muted. more than a third of americans now live in counties with a nonwhite majority. and ask yourself whether a third of americans are going to at the

end of this reapportionment live in districts for a black or brown or asian candidate to win a congressional seat. it won't go on forever after the 2030 and 2040 censuses. it is impossible after a point. >> republicans say -- i don't know why people gang up on us for this. everybody gerrymandered in history. listen to eric holder. >> so there's not a tension between fairness and democrats doing better. if it's fair democrats will do far better. democrats don't have to cheat. we don't have to jerry meander. republicans do to deal with a nation that's more diverse, younger, urban and people focus on less rural.

>> what is the solution? for the people act before the senate that the democrats have a trouble getting over the hump on? >> i think the for the people act is critical. the issue on the table now is to get election reform through congress so that we can have fair and free elections. if we don't deal with redistricting we are going to be locked out of being represented in our society so we talk about off year elections not good for democrats. we have to organize politically as the crisis of this is because we face two choices. one side we have the possibility of becoming a truly multiracial democracy in which political power is shared and where every person has an equal voice and vote. on the other side is -- that's the chance to live the highest ideals of freedom and dock and the other side is cramped and

scared and we can't let that win so we have to politically mobilize to make sure that we have free and fair elections now and in the future. >> right now it seems that republicans across the country in state houses across the country and in congress generally speaking are single minded of purpose, purpose being withining, defeating the other side and holding on to power. democrats seem to have different views. moderate democrats in the house who want to pass the infrastructure bill before the larger reconciliation bill. progressive democrats don't want to do that. some want to keep the filibuster and others that don't. does this work against democrats right now? does being that big tent while republicans are single minded with purpose hurt democrats? >> democratic voters often choose to go to nonpartisan boards to do their redistricting as they have done in many states

in the country but they know how to practice the dark arts of map making, as well. i think the key event of the last generation is the gutting of the voting rights act. it made preclearance no longer necessary so states where there's been significant growth like florida, georgia and texas will be able to remap without the federal government looking over the shoulder and see in states even where minority presence has increased enormously maps where the people in power get to choose the voters rather than voters choosing the people in power. >> professor beltran, how do you see this? what do you think democrats need to do this? democrats have historically known how to practice dark arts of mapping districts but confronted with the reality not just anti-diversity but

anti-democratic in some cases that we are seeing from republicans. what is the course of action for democrats? >> i think a big part is educating the public to how important this 2022 election is and how important to get voting rights legislation passed. democrats have to do not only good policy but we have to paint a picture of a better future, a future that people imagine themselves in. of a society to live in. i think there's an important element here of creating a narrative of a beautiful future. people are frightened and tired and scared and we have to explain to people we can have a better world if we try to build it together but we have to educate people about the poll it cans of redistricting because people will be cynical about the politics when they vote and don't win and we have to explain why and how that's happening and why and how we can change it and also really important to realize

it is not just people of color denied the right to the franchise. the other people -- lots and lots of white liberals are also -- the voices aren't heard and a majority of americans aren't getting the vision articulated through the elections. it has to change. >> we are seeing maybe a shift in public opinion here, ray, because like with the social justice movements last year there's a turning point at which people never affected by police mistreatment realized this is a massive injustice and people are starting slowly to understand stopping people of color to vote in texas or arkansas and georgia is a problem for all of us in our democracy, not just for those negatively affected by voting restrictions. >> sure. you heard it in the professor's call to a higher set of civic

values but in the things that push them to the polls bad things have to happen first instead of the threat of bad things down the road. so we may have to see some of the worst effects of redistricting before people head to the polls to push the needle. >> it is so good to talk to you both. thank you for being with me this morning. professor beltran at department of social and cultural analysis at nyu. and ray suarez is cohost of world affairs on npr and author of "latino americans." thanks to both of you. that does it for me why catch me tomorrow morning from 8:00 to 10:00 a.m. on "velshi." "the cross connection" with tiffany cross begins right now. good morning, everybody. we have a lot to cover this

morning on "the cross connection." breaking news from afghanistan where taliban forces continue to seize more territory. that's 18 of the provincial capitals of 34 as the united states withdraws from the region and the threat to kabul is growing. 3,000 u.s. troops have been dispatched to the city to assist with evacuating the u.s. embassy. monitoring the breaking news of magnitude earthquake to hit haiti this morning. we'll keep our eye on that. we begin now with the reality check on bipartisanship. the senate's passage of the infrastructure bill is being hailed as a bipartisan triumph but lawmakers hadn't left the floor before senator cruz killed any hopes of bipartisanship coming to voting rights legislation. take a listen to what he had to say. >> this bill would constitute a federal government takeover of elections, it would