we have to write and fight for the people. let's get into some good trouble. let's pass h.r. 4. >> it's one more important thing happening in a busy news week. this bill would strengthen federal oversight over voting where we've seen so many discriminatory attacks around the country. house leaders say there could be a vote as soon as next week. that's our final word there tonight on "the beat." the reidout is joy reid is up next. >> we've got a voting strategy session later on in the hour, so thank you for teeing that up. really appreciate it. have a good evening. >> we'll be watching. good evening, everybody. we begin the reidout tonight with the crisis in afghanistan where many are desperately trying to leave the country. evacuations resumed overnight after being halted earlier due to the scenes of afghans rushing

to u.s. military planes and trying desperately to climb onboard, incidents in which some people died. despite those scenes, afghans and some of our allies are getting out. between 700 and 800 people were evacuated last night with more than 3,000 people evacuated in total since the fall of the afghan capital, kabul, some in astonishing conditions. check out this stunning photo showing hundreds of people crammed into a u.s. military plane headed to qatar. u.s. officials said yesterday they'd be prepared to take more than 20,000 afghans who are candidates for special immigration visas. the state department said today that 2,000 holders of those visas have been relocated so far. but "the new york times" points out there are tens of thousands of afghans national who risked their lives to assist the u.s. military and thousands are stuck in a years-long backlog to receive their visas. more than 300,000 have been affiliated with the american mission over its two decade presence in the country. the state department said today

they're working to assist eligible afghans with those visas. the u.s. embassy is asking that civilians stay away from the airport until they're contacted. but many may not be able to reach the airport at all. though the white house said today that the taliban had pledged to allow safe passage for civilians to the airport, there are reports of armed checkpoints all over the country as well as beatings and searches for evidence of government contacts or compromising material they might deem unislamic. an interpreter in kabul told nbc news that he doesn't feel safe and has no way to get to the airport. his face and voice are obscured for his protection. >> right now i am in kabul, and kabul is surrounded by the taliban. i'm not safe here. this is all the documents to prove that i was interpreter. >> politico reports that lawmakers from both sides of the aisle say that distress calls to help evacuate u.s. residents, afghan interpreters and other

asylum seekers have flooded their offices. the taliban claims they'll respect women's rights within islamic law, a claim that deserves a hefty dose of skepticism. there have been reports that women have been told to go home from work as well as forced marriages and executions in recent weeks. in kabul recently a beauty salon with an age of a woman not wearing a hijab was painted over. there are devastating accounts from afghan women on social media and in interviews. >> i don't know if they're going to start searching with civilians' houses because that way it will be really scared. i'd have to hide pretty of everything i have. i think i'll be in trouble if they find my documents or musical instruments or stuff like that.

>> joining me now, congresswoman chrissy houlahan of pennsylvania, a member of arms services and foreign affairs committee. and richard stengel, former undersecretary of state for public diplomacy and public affairs in the obama administration. it's so heartbreaking to hear afghan women crying out for help. they're not safe if they have any sort of modern sensibility with the taliban in charge. in your view, what should be happening now to speed it up and get more people out? >> thank you for having me. my heart hurts listening to those clearly painful cries for help. there's a lot that we can be doing right now speed it up, so to speak. we need to be doing, as we have been, the steady and progressive evacuation of those people who have supported and helped us. the pentagon did give a briefing today that they believe that that is in process, and they

asked for us to, you know, judge the results, and the results will speak for themselves. and i will withhold my judgment to see if that's indeed working. we need to make sure that people have pathways to get to the airport, and that seems to be a struggle right now that we can provide help on. we need to make sure to your point about women and particularly children who are peril right now, that the ngo networks, our national nonprofit networks across the planet are working and that we are helpful in that effort. we need to also be thinking about what the future of this government might look like and whether we have any levers to pull in terms of sanctions. so we have a lot that we can be doing to be helpful right now, and i think it's our obligation and responsibility to do that. and also we have the obligation in congress to be asking the questions of how we got here, and i'd be happy to talk to you more about that as well if you'd like. >> yeah. oh, no, i have a question about that coming up. i want to pause for a moment to

ask richard stengel, you've been in the state department. the state department is going to be taking point in terms of getting people out, not just americans but also our afghan allies and anyone who might qualify to get one of those special immigrant visas. i want you to listen to the one person who seemed to really get it from day one about what might happen in that country from the start. this is representative barbara lee. she was on with chris hayes' show last night. >> i knew then that it could spiral out of control and that if we didn't think through the impact and the implications -- and i've been thinking about this this week because now, i'm terrified, and i'm really so worried. and like everyone, concerned and working every hour to try to figure out how we make sure that no more lives are taken, that afghans are transported out and evacuated. >> i think the analogy isn't perfect. this isn't vietnam.

but a statement was made, it's our responsibility and moral obligation as american who's have dedicated 20 years of effort and $1 trillion to do all we can. talk about the logistics of how you do that. donald trump signed a deal with the taliban that relaxed sanctions, or at least promised to, released prisoners. biden didn't substantially alter that deal. do you think this should be a combination of sanctions on one side, and also logistically, how do we get rid of the paperwork backlog that's keeping so many afghans from being able to get out? >> yes, joy. there are a lot of questions there. >> yes. >> i just want to begin by saying and agreeing with the congresswoman. i mean this is a heart-wrenching situation, and it's a tragedy. but it's not an american tragedy. it's an afghan tragedy. and as you say, it goes back 20 years. representative lee voted against the authorization of force

resolution. she was the only one. she was prescient. but there were many people who saw what we were doing as being haphazard, as not having a strategy. you know, i would love people to see and read "the washington post" afghanistan papers series, which was published in 2019. it's just a history in the hundreds and hundreds of pages of how politicians, generals, diplomats deceived the american people, how they kept thinking that we were going to turn the corner. i mean, i remember i was editor of "time" magazine at that time, and every year we did a new afghanistan cover about a new strategy. it's like someone once said. it's not a 20-year war. it's 20 one-year wars, and that is what's happened. to your question about how we repair the breach, you know, we do as much as we can for as many people as we can. i heard jake sullivan say that this morning. i heard linda thomas-greenfield on the previous show saying

flights getting out of the international airport every hour on the hour. so i think we're now hunkering down. the state department, people are working overtime, 24/7. remember, those interpreters and those helpers all helped people at the state department too. so people really have a vested interest in this. >> it goes to show you that america cannot create reproductions of our culture in other countries and remake them in our image. there are some people who are going to cleave to those modernist norms, and those people are our friends. and then there's the country itself and its culture, and we can't change that. america has this conceit, and we clearly can't. to your point, representative, on the intelligence, there's a "new york times" piece out today. the headline is intelligence warned of afghan military chance despite biden's assurances. it says classified assessments by american spy agencies over the summer painted a grim picture of the prospect of a

taliban takeover of afghanistan and warned of the rapid collapse of the raf began military even as president biden and his advisers said publicly that that was unlikely to happen as quickly according to current and former american government officials. it's not like they took it all over in eight days. they had a lot of it already. in your view, how was it missed? >> so i think that there were a lot of mixed signals, a lot of mixed intelligence signals to be honest. i think one of the biggest things we missed was the appetite and the heart that the afghan army had for defending and protecting itself and the gains that we collectively made together. and that was either a failure of intelligence for us to understand that or a miscalculation. we definitely knew when we made the decision to pull out that there would be in all likelihood at least some takeover by the taliban of places that we held. we didn't necessarily know that it would be quite as much as it is and quite as rapid as it is, but it's not frankly surprising

when you look to your point about the history of this particular part of the world. and so here we are. here at a place where our intelligence possibly has failed us, where we've made some decisions that need to be undone and redone. we need to be able to ask for who's accountable for these kinds of decisions. we need to be able to have the hearings in congress and the oversight in congress that is our duty and our mission to do. and we also need to frankly be supportive of the ways that we can get out of this as we talked about the various steps in the short term. and in the midterm we need to be thinking about some of the things that keep me up at night, which is a lot of the weaponry, a lot of the things that we purchased for the afghan army now possibly are in the hands of the taliban. and we need to be thinking about the implications of that as well. so we're in a difficult place, and we need to be working together rather than pulling ourselves apart to make sure we're coming out of this as safely as possible, both us and also the afghan people. >> yeah, pulling ourselves apart, that's already done

politically. richard, i have -- it's sort of airs of the cia saying, let's get rid of that guy, he's not doing what we say, and putting in the shah of return. we were shocked that the mullahs took it back. ayman mohyeldin has done some great reporting and interviewed lots of people. it's not as if the president who the west supported had popular support. so it feels like the failures go far beyond just ripping our military out of there in 2003 and going to iraq. it seems like it was much more systemic. >> yes, i agree. these were not unknown unknowns as donald rumsfeld said, who got us in there. these are known knowns. i remember being in kabul in 2013 and going to the presidential palace. diplomats saying to me that president karzai wasn't president of afghanistan. he was president of kabul.

>> yeah. >> you know, we haven't had a successful fight there in a very long time. i think the thing about intelligence is, intelligence is neutral. you know, people in intelligence say tell the policymakers, they tell the military, here's the situation. but then the policymakers have to make decisions, and sometimes they don't make correct decisions. and i think over 20 years, i mean, you know, and i agree with the congresswoman. i think we really need to look at what happened and what went wrong and why policymakers have this sort of pollyanna-ish idea that we were always turning the corner. you know, nobody likes to tell a president of the united states bad news, and military folks don't like that either. but you to have to do that. >> yeah. and wars end ugly. i hate to break it to folks. the american people overwhelmingly wanted out of afghanistan. this is what it looks like when you get out, when you rid the band-aid off. it's not pretty. hopefully we will salvage it by getting as many of our people who sided with us out as we can. thank you, congresswoman chrissy

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party has seized on these moments to score political points. take, for example, texas representative michael mccaul, who told cnn that biden will, quote, have blood on his hands for what they did. this is the same man who represents a state where more than 54,000 people have died from covid. tell me, congressman, does governor abbott have blood on his hands for his abandonment of the people of the lone star state? what about the 626,000 americans who died of covid because of donald trump? you see this newfound outrage, it just stinks of political opportunism. this is, after all, the party that stood by as the bloated retiree banned muslim immigrants, buddied up to the taliban, and shut our doors to refugees who needed our help. over at fox, you're reminded of what the party really thinks about the afghan people. >> if history is any guide -- and it's always a guide -- we will see many refugees from

afghanistan resettle in our country in coming months, probably in your neighborhood. and over the next decade, that number may swell to the millions. so first we invade, and then we're invaded. >> is it really our responsibility to welcome thousands of potentially unvetted refugees from afghanistan? all day we've heard phrases like, we promised them. well, who did? did you? >> meanwhile, crypt keeper stephen miller added to that repugnant commentary with his own special white nationalist flavor, tweeting, be warned. the state department will use biden's withdrawal fiasco as predicate for importing massive numbers from region with rushed vetting and no ties to u.s. joining me now is minnesota congresswoman ilhan omar. her family fled somalia's civil war. she spent four years in a refugee camp before fleeing to the united states in the 1990s. congresswoman, i'm not surprised. i'm just going to preface this by saying none of this is surprising that the people on the right who were just like 24

hours ago pretending to care about the afghan, you know, people, suddenly are like, yeah, but don't send any of them over here. but i would love to hear your thoughts. >> yeah, it is -- it is not surprising, right? this is their playbook. they know how to whip up their base into frenzy. the reality is that we've been in this conflict, in this war for 20 years. there are people who have helped us in this mission. there are people whose lives are going to be at risk, and we have to do everything that we can to bring them to safety. and we've done this many a times where we have evacuated people, airlifted them into safe spaces so that we can properly vet them and have them come to the united states as vetted refugees. i know a little bit about that, you know? >> yep. >> i know what it's like to be a

child in a family scrambling for safety in a war-torn country. i know the rigorous process you go through to get vetted as a refugee. we are the most vetted people who come to the united states. the process is long, and it doesn't just end when you arrive on the shores. it continues for years until you are eligible for citizenship at five years of entrance. and so i really hope that people understand that there is a certain promise that we've made and we can't break that promise. and that's not a promise that the united states made, but it's also a promise that our nato allies have made. it's a promise that neighboring countries should fulfill, and we have to do everything to make sure there is a multinational coalition leading this effort to save not just our allies but everybody afghani who is afraid

for their lives, especially young women and, you know, vulnerable men as well. >> yeah. i mean it's infuriating to hear these people who voted against allowing more visas for afghan allies -- they literally voted against it. lauren boebert was one of 16 republicans who voted no when it came to approving more visas for afghan allies. the names will sound to you much like the pro-insurrection crowd. on top of that, the muslim ban still sticks in my craw. i'm not over it, and i'm not even muslim, and i'm not over it yet. the fact that people who stood by while the former president banned people strictly because they came from muslim countries bugs me that they're now pretending to care and then also saying, don't send people here. can you take a little bit about the complexity of being a muslim

refugee and how their attitude sticks with you? >> yeah. i mean it's also the mixed messaging, right? they're trying to find something that sticks so that they can try to, you know, put the president in that lighting and sort of come after democrats. we've seen the former president, the man who literally banned muslims from coming to this country, say we should allow for afghan refugees to come to the united states. you have the man who led us into this war, president bush, say, we should allow for afghani refugees. and then you've got these crazy people on the right doing, you know, what they always do with their fearmongering and their hateful rhetoric. the reality is, you know, regardless of where you come from, immigrants and refugees are highly motivated. they are people who are seeking a better life. they come to this country.

they put their head down. everybody in every single community has bad apples, but that is not the result of collective failure as refugees or as immigrants when we come to the united states. and i know what some of these people are worried about. it's that they're worried that refugees like myself, when they come to this country, will outshine them. but that is just their own failure and their inability to find success in the ways in which refugees have found success in this country. we are going to keep our commitment. we're going to keep our promise, and we're going to keep pushing the administration and other countries to do their part. the afghani people deserve not just our empathy, but they need our partnership and our allyship to make sure that their lives are safe and prosperous. >> there's one person i know doesn't worry about it. they know that being outshined

is happening. i don't remember his name. charlie kirk, who literally said what he fears is there will be millions of you. he named you by name. if you even wanted to bother with responding to him, i want to give you that opportunity. >> he needs geography classes, and somebody needs to send him a globe maybe. i'm not from afghanistan. i'm from somalia. and somalia refugees are in this country, and many of them are prospering just as i have. and, you know, that man and others can cry about it, but the reality is this is a country that welcomes refugees, and they don't just welcome refugees, they sent one to congress. >> there you go. and my advice to -- what is his name? charlie? cry more, dear, because we are going to be an open country just as the -- the statue of liberty ain't going anywhere. thank you so much. really appreciate you being here

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can your internet do that? we have some breaking news out of texas this evening. the office of republican governor greg abbott announced that he has tested positive for covid. abbott is vaccinated and his office says he's isolating and receiving antibody treatment. nbc news reports he's told people that he's received a third booster dose of the vaccine. his office did not respond to requests for comment. last night his re-election campaign tweeted video of abbott addressing a large, maskless crowd at a republican club outside dallas. the news about abbott comes as texas is seeing a surge in covid cases, with the governor standing firm on his ban on

masks and vaccine mandates. multiple regions across texas are completely out of icu beds, including in the austin area, the state capital. and just last week, a dallas county judge warned of zero beds available, zero, for children in the days before the start of school. over the weekend, the texas supreme court sided with governor abbott, blocking lower court rulings allowing districts to implement mask rules. but thankfully for texas children, some school districts are defying the governor, defying his order despite the court ruling, including dallas and harris county, home to houston and bexar county, where san antonio is located. joining me now is julian castro, former mayor of san antonio. he's now an msnbc political analyst. thank you for being here. it's helpful that you're also a former mayor. your thoughts on the governor now testing positive, the fact he's still holding maskless events, and refusing to allow schoolchildren to be protected with mask mandates.

>> it's absolutely maddening, joy. it's the height of hypocrisy. you put out the stats there. texas right now has one of the worst covid-19 situations. only 314 icu beds left in a state of 29 million people. more pediatric cases of covid, i think, right now than any other state, or right around the same amount as florida. it's surging here, and at the same time, the governor is in a tug-of-war with communities across the state and school districts that want to do everything that they can to protect children and businesses that want to protect customers by requiring vaccination or at least requiring masks. school districts that want to require masks. they're fighting that out in court. the governor has said, no, you can't do that. you can't take the safety precautions that you think are in the best interest of the community and to protect children and, at the same time, acting so irresponsibly. you saw the video of the event

within the last 48 hours in collin county. and then when he gets covid, does everything that he possibly can to make sure he's okay, gets access to regeneron and perhaps a third booster shot, things that ordinary texans, everyday texans would not have access to. it is the height of hypocrisy. >> i still don't understand it because spreading more sickness and death doesn't strike me as smart politics. here's just a couple headlines out of your state. in west texas, the school district is going to close for two weeks due to covid a week after classes start. it began august 10 and has about 380 students in the town of sheffield. "time" magazine reporting stephanie elizade wrote, what if a child dies on my watch? how do i say to you, i'm really sorry, we did everything we could except for masking because the governor's executive order prohibited me from doing so? can you get inside the heads of

these republican governors like abbott who are saying schools may not prevent covid from coming in, because i don't get? >> i don't except to say he's trying to appeal to a very small, vocal, republican primary base because he's in the middle of a republican primary with two people who are seen as even further to the right than him. parents are feeling it all over the state. the other day, my 6-year-old brought home this note from his public school that says that two individuals at the school tested positive for covid. mind you, he'd only been in school for about four days at that point. >> yeah. >> the lack of the ability of a lot of school districts to do everything that they can to protect these children is bad for the children, and it's making parents very angry toward the governor and the republican party here. >> speaking of anger, there's this other side of it too, where people are getting violent about masks, period, and even getting violent toward people who are making their own decision to wear masks.

here's a fort worth "star-telegram" article in which a parent rips the face mask off a teacher in a confrontation at a school in austin. in a statement, the stumt wrote, in addition to one parent physically assaulting a teacher by ripping the mask off her face, others yelled at a teacher to take off her mask. this was at a meet the teacher event. school starts there tomorrow. i mean it's bad enough that people are dumb enough to believe that it's somehow better to get covid than wear a mask, but on top of that, we're seeing this around the country. anti-maskers assaulting people because they want to wear a mask. your thoughts? >> i mean it's nonsensical. it's become a proxy war for something else, something deeper. this is part of the trump republican party that basically says it's my way or the highway, that sees this, i think, as an extension of a culture war, of a changing america that they absolutely reject. it goes beyond just not wanting

to wear a mask or thoughts of freedom. this goes to that deep frustration, that anxiety that they feel that the census numbers the other day probably shot up their blood pressure. i think all of this goes together, and at the end of the day, as we're seeing here with the governor, covid doesn't care whether you're super conservative or you're super liberal. you're going to get it if you act irresponsibly like the governor and others have. obviously we wish him well. but once they do, they end up taking one of those hospital beds that are in very short supply right now, and everybody has an interest in doing what they can to take safety precautions and to allow schools and businesses and others to do the same. and in the least, let people protect themselves if you're not going to do it. >> right. and the idea there is your body, my choice, that i get to make decisions for you. i can tell you what you need to wear on your body, and they think they have the right to do it. they also think that with abortion. >> i was going to say.

this is not new for that -- >> right. you wonder how slavery existed for so long. people really do like to control other people. so let me ask you as a public policy matter, having worked on a federal level, do you think we need federal mandates at this point to try to push it? federal and corporate mandates to get around these governors? >> yeah, i think that the federal government should exercise more authority. in the least, as other nations have done, on airplanes, on other types of transportation, other public spaces. we really -- with the exception of states like california, we haven't even dipped our toe into that federally. so depending on what happens with covid and this delta variant in the days and weeks to come, that may become more and more necessary. i know that that was not the first reaction or, you know, inclination of a lot of folks out there. it hasn't been of the president.

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there is growing pressure for democrats to enact new voting rights legislation as states begin the once a decade process of redistricting. republican-controlled states are making moves to restrict the power of their populations. the democrats plan to pass the john lewis voting rights advancement act when they return next week. any legislation passed in the house needs 60 votes in the senate because of the filibuster and there's no indication that's

going away any time soon. joining me for a strategy, latosha brown, cofounder of black voters matter, bishop reverend barber. thank you all for being here. i want to go down the list and have you all tell me what we're going to do and what you think we can do given that it's great we're going to have this pass in the house but it ain't going nowhere in the senate. latosha, i'll start with you. >> i think you hit the nail on the head. right now as we're looking at afghanistan, this nation spent over $1 trillion on a war supposedly in the name of democracy. here it is, we have democracy being attacked right here domestically and we're going to something like the filibuster to stand in this space? i think we have to deal with the elephant in the room. we're going to have to end the filibuster. anything that starts and creates a barrier for democracy, we've got to end it. we also have to organize and

create good trouble. we're going to have to organize around this and we need this federal legislation. people will have to rise up to make sure that it is so. >> bishop barber, it falls to you to explain to me there are about nine republicans, that don't want to end the filibuster. how do you get them to change their mind? >> let me say my sister, latosha, is exactly right. we fought a war there, we have to fight here. we have to have mass pro action protests in d.c. and in the states. we need mass litigation with our best lawyers. we need to have massive federal legislation. we have to have hr-1 and hr-4, not either/or. the one written by john lewis and the one named after him. and the cbc and progressives need to say not another bill. nothing is going through. you're not getting any infrastructure, none of it,

until you do right by voting rights and federal legislation. then we need mass public education to make sure people understand it's not just a fight to help black people. 56 million people use the methodologies to vote that they're trying to undermine. we need to connect it to voting rights and living wages. same people that fight against your living wages are the same ones fighting against your voting rights. this is interlocking injustices we must challenge. wee to go to the states. next thursday, we're headed back to west virginia for a mass motorcade on manchin. we're calling everyone to ride on him, nonviolently of course but to ride on him and we need to do that in every one of those democratic senators' states. that's hypocrisy. none of them ran saying they would be against it. they only said it after they got the vote. we can't stand for that or allow that to resist. anybody saying you don't need

all of this is not a leader but a misleader. >> ari, i know that you can explain to us in pretty simple terms, let's say we go into the 2022 election with the laws as they are now. what does that wind up looking like? >> what it winds up looking like, joy, is that the federal government did nothing to stop the greatest attack on voting rights since the end of reconstruction. history is going to repeat itself. people are going to be disenfranchised. we know that for a fact. there will be the most extreme gerrymandering that we've seen in a long time as well. so the clock is really running out here. 18 states have already passed 30 new laws to make it harder to vote. texas could soon be next. republicans could take back the house simply through gerrymandering four southern states, florida, georgia, north carolina and texas. and so there are not a lot of days to spare here. a lot of these voter suppression laws have already gone into

effect. there are new redistricting maps that are going into effect in a matter of weeks or certainly a matter of months and it's just crazy to me that some democrats would rather protect a relic of jim crow than protect voting rights for millions of americans. it really doesn't seem like a hard call. and all we're asking is that the same rules apply to both. that if republicans are making it harder to vote in the states on simple majority votes, then democrats should be making -- able to make it easier to vote in the federal government through a simple majority. we're asking that all sides play by the same set of rules. >> latosha, it appears the white house's response to that is that folks like yourself are just going to outorganize these laws. is that true? >> no. the bottom line that's not our responsibility. it's the responsibility in taking the oath of office are that you to protect all foreign threats, democracy abroad and domestically. it is the responsibility of the president and the congress to

actually represent the people and make sure that our rights and this democracy is protected. to the extent that we do that for our communities, it's because we love our communities. we literally should be able to have input in any decision about us. at the end of the day for us to be in an argument or for us to literally pass the buck to say that we're responsible for something that we elected you for is actually not only disingenuous, i think it's dangerous talking about what is the whole purpose of democracy in the first place? what is the whole purpose in the electoral process if fundamentally the position we put you in, that you're now saying is our responsibility to do what we elected you to do. >> bishop barber, we've seen nine moderate democrats say we're not going to pass your infrastructure big bill, the $3.5 trillion human infrastructure bill unless we get the bipartisan infrastructure bill first. they're playing hard ball and

have the numbers to do it. would you suggest that the black caucus play the same hard ball and say, fine, no infrastructure bills of either size until we get voting rights through the senate. >> and right now, yesterday, because that's what -- politics is about who gets what, when and where. as ari said, they have weaponized the filibuster. it's not just a relic of jim crow, it's a relic of anti-women's legislation, anti-voting legislation, anti-consumer protection. it is a terrible tool. and we should be saying very clearly, first of all, also, it's a coward filibuster. at least in the past they had to stand on the floor and fight and speak. this is a coward filibuster. cowards, right? so we should be saying you don't get anything. you don't get your roads, your bridge, your utility grid unless you pass all of this. we want the infrastructure of our democracy, which is voting. we want the infrastructure of

our daily lives, which is living wages. we want all of it and not some of it. the cbc, the progressives, have the power. we cannot let one or two senators run this entire democracy into the ditch and have more power than 80 some members. if you combine the cbc and progressive, you've talking about a whole lot of members in the house. so it's time to stand up, it's time to fight back. this is not tiddly-winks. this is about the soul and the future of this democracy. that's why we've got to have pressure in the street, we've got to have pressure in the suites, we've got to have pressure everywhere. again, i'm going to say anybody who claims to care about these issues and says things like we don't need to deal the filibuster, no, we don't need a protest is a misleader and not a leader. >> ari, kyrsten sinema was asked about this on "the view" and she said to get rid of the

filibuster, then if we want to block something the republicans are doing, we can't answer her. >> well, kyrsten sinema said if you get rid of the filibuster then republicans will do things like ban mail-in voting. guess what, republicans are already doing it. republicans are already using the power they have everywhere to make it harder to vote. using the power they have everywhere to do extreme gerrymandering. democrats aren't using the power they have to protect voting rights. so it's asymmetric warfare here. you have one side threatening to arrest democrats because they don't want to make it harder to vote where the other side is giving mitch mcconnell veto power over protecting american democracy. so all we're saying is democrats, use the power you have not just to help yourself but to help tens of millions of americans. it's not about helping democrats, it's about helping democracy at large. that's what these bills will do. that's why the for the people act and john lewis voting rights

advancement act are so important. >> latosha, are all of the newer civil rights groups going to hang together on this? >> all of the civil rights organizations that i've worked with and connected with, many of them have literally stood in this space for weeks. all summer we've been getting arrested and we've been protesting. yes, we're standing in the space and we see protest as part of our power. we will stand and continue to protest until we get voting rights. >> latosha, bishop brown, ari, thank you. "all in with chris hayes" starts now. tonight on "all in" -- >> we'll do as much as we can for as long as we can. >> the taliban tightens its grip on afghanistan and the u.s. scrambles to get people out. >> the speed of evacuation will pick up. >> tonight the venomous backlash against afghan refugees.