shout-out to bathing and also shout-out to as we say minding your business for those who just want to let parents be parents. thanks to both of you for joining us tonight. >> thanks for having me. >> absolutely appreciate you guys. i am going to turn it over to "the reidout" with joy reid right now. hi, joy. >> you just said shout-out to -- yeah, people bathe yourselves and your children. if i can just weigh in on that conversation, yeah, bathe 'em. they stinky. >> you know, when they say -- joy, sometimes they say it's a long story. it was actually a short story. so i can just leave it there. >> leave it there. let's leave it there. we can take it to twitter. thank you very much, ari. have a great weekend. appreciate you. cheers. all right. good evening, everyone. we begin "the reidout" tonight, once again, with a devastating map. just blood red with covid. this one, of texas. where more than 100 people are dying of covid every day. and where only 46% of the

population is fully vaccinated. it's a state where the daily-average number of hospitalizations is north of 12,000. and just to break that down for you, in more human terms. that means mortuary trailers are coming in to store bodies of covid victims. it means dozens of children are newly hospitalized with covid every day. with pediatric icu beds unavailable in some areas. in case texas leadership is listening right now, i am going to speak in very blunt terms. texans are dying. parents are dying. their children are becoming orphans or they are sick and hospitalized, themselves. this child has died of covid. and yet, the state's thrice vaccinated, covid-positive leader, governor greg abbott, has spent months blocking mask mandates. abbott tested positive for covid this week. 24 hours after attending this maskless fet. covid is a serious matter, even for someone waging war against

preventative measures, which is why abbott got treated right away with regeneron's monoclonal antibodies prescribed by his doctor while he quarantines in his mansion. but his own constituents must go to a pop-up clinic for that treatment, assuming they can get one at all. to top it off, the state's lieutenant governor, dan patrick, who once said grandparents are willing to die of covid to save the economy. went back on fox news to share who he thinks is to blame for the covid surge. spoiler alert, it ain't the texas republicans. >> the covid is spreading, particularly most the numbers are with the unvaccinated and the democrats like to blame republicans on that. well, the biggest group in most states are african-americans who have not been vaccinated. the last time i checked, over 90% of them vote for democrats in their major cities and major counties. so it's up to the democrats to get, just as it's up to republicans to try to get as many people vaccinated. >> ah, yes, when in doubt, blame

the blacks. let's just be clear here. black americans make up roughly 13% of the lone star state population. meaning, the raw numbers tell a very different story. state health department data shows the biggest group of the unvaccinated are white texans by a roughly 3 to 1 margin but go ahead, dan, tell us how it's black texans' fault when you and other state republicans plot to, you know, also keep them from voting. joining me now is houston mayor, sylvester turner. and matthew dowd founder of country over party. and mayor turner, i am just going to let you respond to your lieutenant governor. he thinks the black people in texas are to blame for the covid surge. your thoughts? >> absolutely ridiculous. makes no sense. goes contrary to the facts. if it's not the immigrants or latinos, then it must be african-americans. the lieutenant governor was just flat-out wrong, and his comments were offensive and should not be ignored. and people across the board even republicans should reject that statement.

we cannot blame this surge that's happening in texas on african-americans. the reality is that -- this -- this mismanagement, you know, people haven't taken this seriously. haven't given out the right facts. they are not encouraging people to wear their mask. they are not doing enough to encourage people to get vaccinated and let me just say this, joy. if you an elected official, i don't care what party you may be affiliated, we have a responsibility to represent every single person. whether people voted for me or not as mayor of city of houston, i represent every single one of them. and it's my responsibility to do everything possible to keep them safe. the same applies to the lieutenant governor. >> you know, that is the thing, math you. adam pointed this out. the idea that you would say oh the blacks are on the democrats. i'm only responsible for the whites and the republicans. seriously? is that our governing philosophy now? that he doesn't have to be

governor of black people in texas? other than when he is denying them the right to vote? >> well, first, a shout-out to mayor turner who i am a big fan of down the road here in wimberly. so big fan of his for everything he is doing. i'm amazed we're having this conversation. you know today is august 20th. 1619 is when the first 20 or so african slaves were brought and sold in this country. as -- today, 1619. we are having this conversation, still. they don't think they're the -- they don't think they're the leaders of all texans. they have acted like this over and over and over, again. it's not just the public-health crisis. it's on every cultural issue. it's on the economy. it's on healthcare. it's on the expansion of medicaid. it's on everything. they do not think -- they only want to represent the million people that vote in the gop primary. that's all they want to represent. 5% of the state is all they're interested in representing, at this time. and -- and what we have is the three top leaders in texas, the governor, lieutenant governor,

and the attorney general, i call them one's craven. one's cruel. and one's a crook. and that's who is leading the state right now. it's god bless the local leaders. god bless the local leaders who are trying their best. but i thought a conservative principle was empowering local -- local leaders and local governments to do what was right for their communities. they have abandoned that conservative principle long ago. >> yeah. and let me just read dan patrick's statement on his comments. he wrote this today in part. federal and state data clearly indicate black vaccination rates are significantly lower than white or hispanic rates. pandering and dot, dot, dot. on texas and -- and covid, 38% of african-americans there are vaccinated. 47% of whites are -- are vaccinated and while vaccination rates are low among black texans -- um -- per the census, black residents in texas accounted for 16.4% of the state's cases. whites and hispanics who make up more than 80% of the population,

well, they account for 70% of the cases. right? so -- so -- we're talking about he is blaming the people who account for 16% of the cases. when whites and hispanics account for 70% of the cases. just on this idea, if, in fact, the governor and lieutenant governor are only responsible for white republicans and they are not responsible for african-americans. they're still doing a crap job because texas icus are filling up. the same people that they say they do govern so we are going to leave the black people aside because apparently they're not their governors. they are getting sick and dying at incredible rates. texas is one of the worst states in the country in terms of the covid pandemic. so, mayor turner, what do you have to say to him just about his -- his governance of his own people, the people he says he does care about? >> well, when you start blaming the surge of -- of all of these cases in texas on black people, you're trying simply to deflect the attention from the lack of

responsibility and the lack of accountability and the lack of actions on the leadership part. the reality is in this area in houston, 18% of the cases that are in our hospital are children. one month ago, in our hospital we had a little over 500 cases a day in our hospitals in houston. that number is over 2,600 as of this morning. and so, the reality is, is that you just can't blame it on any one group. this virus doesn't care who you are. it doesn't care you're black, white, or brown. it doesn't care if you are democrat, republican, urban or rural. this virus will attack you if you don't take the mitigating measures to prevent it from spreading and that's what the lieutenant governor should be saying. that's what -- he should be encouraging people to wear their mask. he should be encouraging them to get vaccinated. and he -- and he has to represent every single texan in this state, regardless of their

party affiliation or their -- or their race, religion, sexual orientation, or age. that's where we need to be. and what i say to people is that you need to be more scared of the virus than the vaccine. okay. those are -- those are the realities. joy, i started not to even say anything about his comment. but the reality is if the only voices are those of like the lieutenant governor and the rest of us treat his comments as if we are numb or this is the normal way of life. then, we are making a very serious mistake. you have to speak out against it. you have to debunk 'em. you have to call it for what it is. and he is still responsible and i hope he owns it up to what he said and retract his comments. what he said was wrong, offensive, and should not be ignored. >> thank you for saying that because i am starting to understand why the republicans in texas are so desperate to disenfranchise black and brown voters. because in order to be this incompetent to give yourself the best treatments.

the cadillac treatments for you and let everyone else go to a pop-up shop to get their -- their treatments. to be this cruel. to try to de -- to sue counties that just want to protect children. saying they can't have a mask mandate. the only way you can get away with that, matthew, is if those people can't vote you out. is if you install yourself permanently as being in governance because they cannot and are prevented from voting you out. so i guess, i now sort of understand why these republican governors want to mess with people's voting rights but i'm sorry, you were going to say something. go ahead. >> well, what i was going to say is that that's exactly the point is they don't care. they don't care. they have given -- to me, the republican party and especially the republican party in texas has given up on the idea of the common good. they no longer think the common good is part of what american democracy is. they think it's only about me and what's good for me, and what's good for my group. not what's good for the state of texas, as a whole. not what's good for the city of houston, as a whole. or any other city or town in the state. they don't care. and they operate every day. this is not the first time

they've taken away local control. they took away local control on dealing with environmental concerns when local cities wanted to deal with environmental, they took control away doing the bidding of the oil and gas industry. they took local control away from -- on police reform when cities wanted to do police reform and figure out what was going on in police departments and figure that, they took loem local control away from cities on police reform. so this is just another aspect of cumulating power and the census numbers for texas tell the whole story. 4 million people were added in texas. the biggest group. the largest state increase in the country by net numbers. 95% of the people that were added were nonwhite people. were people of color. >> uh-huh. >> 95% of the 4 million people. that's what they're afraid of. >> that's right. and -- and you know what? i -- you know, the right got mad at me when i made this comparison to south africa before but i am just going to make it, again. how did a corrupt minority government rule over the people of south africa for so long by

force? and by not letting them vote. by disenfranchising 85% of the population and then they could do whatever they wanted. they could be as corrupt, as venal, as criminal as they wanted because who cares? no one could get rid of them. they were a permanent fixture in government. that's texas, at this point. at this point, they now have a quorum. republicans now have a quorum because they have gerrymandered themselves into power there in the legislature. so do you expect -- um -- mr. mayor, that they are going to pass while they are not doing anything on covid just onerous rules stopping people from voting because they do seem interested in that. >> joy, i suspect that they will but this battle won't be over then. they have -- they have the numbers. they have the quorum that's now in place and i think they will move very quickly to pass these onerous, restrictive, and suppressive bills. i think that will -- will happen. but we have a responsibility to step up to the plate. this is round one. it's not the final round. and so, we have to now mobilize. we have to now make sure people

are registered. we have to make sure that people are voting. that's our responsibility. but what is -- but what i hope the greater society will understand, if any party writes off an entire group. if you say blacks are not part of this or we don't have to represent them, that's dangerous on multiple levels. can you imagine me as the mayor of city of houston, the most diverse city in the country. if i said, look, whites didn't vote for me in large numbers so i'm not -- i'm not concerned about them. what about their neighborhoods in this city, for example? certain areas, where 80% of the people in those communities did not vote for me as mayor. so should i simply say because you didn't vote for me, i don't represent you? i'm not going to provide any services to you? and can you imagine the condemnation that i would receive if i took that position? and so now, we are dealing with people's fundamental right to vote and so what i am saying to the people in the city and people in this state.

this may be round one but it's not the final round. so let's recognize what we are confronting. let's recognize what we are dealing with. now, let's stand up and speak loudly because your vote is your voice. and don't allow anyone to keep you silent. don't mute yourselves. so we've got some work to do. and i promise you between now and next year, we will do what we need to do to mobilize and get to the -- to the voting booths. >> it's not sunday but you can get an -- real quick. >> let me add one other thing to what he just said. texas, even with the rules that were changed last year to help people to vote was still ranked 50th in ease of voting. 50th in ease of voting. so i tell people texas is not a red state. texas is a non-voting disenfranchised state. until we change that -- >> yep. yep. and by the way, black and brown texans, hello. your lieutenant governor has just told you you don't have to

listen to the lies when they try to say they care. now, you have heard that loud and clear, not from me but from them. thank you for all that you are doing. up next on the raed out. new details tonight on the evacuation effort in kabul and the fight by republicans to keep afghan refugees out. of the united states. plus, the author of a new book joins me on who the january 6th insurrectionists really were. not disenfranchised people with legitimate gripes. no, no, but bored, nar cystic, and often affluent people who are the ultimate sore losers with the emphasis on losers. plus, why democrats cannot get complacent about next month's california recall election. take a look at texas and florida. that's you, california, if gavin newsom loses. "the reidout" continues after this. continues after this if you have this... consider adding this. an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan from unitedhealthcare. medicare supplement plans help by paying some of what medicare doesn't... and let you see any doctor.

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handling of the withdrawal from afghanistan, they were sorely disappointed. biden who has been -- who has been for getting out of the u.s. or for getting the u.s. out of afghanistan since he was president obama's vice president made it clear that it was time for the war to end. and the focus now should be on getting americans and our afghan allies safely out of the country. >> the past week has been heartbreaking. we've seen gut-wrenching images of panicked people acting out of sheer desperation. you know, it's completely understandable. they're frightened. they're sad, uncertain what happens next. i don't think anyone -- i don't think any one of us can see these pictures and not feel that pain on a human level. now, we have a mission. a mission to complete in afghanistan. there'll be plenty of time to criticize and second guess when this operation is over. but now, now, i'm focused on getting this job done.

>> the u.s. evacuated 5,700 people over the last 24 hours with 13,000 evacuated since august 14th. and 18,000 since the end of july. the president stressed that he'd evacuate every single american in afghanistan. and he said today that the taliban are letting americans through checkpoints but there have been reports of some americans being beaten by the taliban in kabul. and a u.n. report notes that the taliban is hunting down afghans on their blacklist who have worked with u.s. and nato forces. while there's plenty of punditry and media second guessing over what the biden administration new and when. it just is an unavoidable fact that afghanistan didn't just spontaneously go bad last weekend out of nowhere. it's been going bad. i have said it before, and i will say it again. there is just no elegant way to end a losing war. and while joe biden is the one out of four presidents, just the one, who was willing to rip the band-aid off. this war has been lost for a long time.

and it was trump's deal with the taliban, not biden's, that scored the fatal blow. it's the trump administration that set a may date to withdrawal. freed 5,000 militants, one of whom is now president of afghanistan. and whom are now trying to claim, oh, ways out, they didn't mean it. and it was the vehemently anti-brown and muslim immigrant trump administration that is responsible for the number of our allies who are stuck in afghanistan. they drastically reduced the number of visas processed for afghan interpreters. so that by the time the biden administration came into office, there was a backlog of more than 17,000 special immigrant visa applicants. 17,000. and while they were cutting deals to hand afghanistan over to the taliban, cutting out the government that we were propping up. the trump administration left no plan for how to move afghan civilians out of the country. with the withdrawal date just months away, according to a biden administration official. i am joined now by former nato

ambassador and retired army lieutenant general, douglas loot. and matthew dowd, founder -- sorry -- of country over party is back with me. still to talk here. and general, you are one of the guests who i stole from my -- my good friend, ayman mohyeldin. who has fantastic guests on. i watch his show and write down all the names and then ask my booking producers to go get them. i did the same with nicolle wallace, which is how i got matthew dowd. you said a thing which is so brilliant about the concentric circles of afghanistan. where you have got the airport in the middle and then outside the airport in kabul and you just go out and out and out and how difficult it is for someone in those outer rings to find their way into the airport. there was a story today, that u.s. actually sent a military chopper on thursday to pick up 169 americans who were just outside the airport area. but they were afraid to, like, navigate their way there because you got to go through these checkpoints but i have to ask you this.

as somebody who has expertise here, as a nonexpert, the way i see this war is that once donald trump cut the deal and said we're out of there. we're going to leave. the only choices that biden really had realistically were negate the deal and say we are staying and probably that means we have to add more troops because we are just going to continue this operation. or leave and it was always going to be inelegant when we left. am i wrong about that? >> no, i think you're right. those are the two sort of binary choices. had we -- had we walked away from the trump deal on may 1st, and retained u.s. forces, we probably would have had to escalate. that is, add troops. to simply sustain an eroding status quo. i mean, the taliban were resurging over the last several years. so, you know, for americans, this looks like it all happened overnight. but for those of us who watch this very closely, it's actually been eroding steadily for

several years. this was a very long and slow-burning fuse that, eventually, imploded with the -- the collapse of the afghan state. >> and, you know, matthew, you know, you -- you and i -- it's funny because we sort of started off on opposite sides of the iraq war, and then ended up on the same side. i think we now ended up again on the same side on afghanistan because i started off thinking it was a bad idea. in my nonexpert opinion, i thought we are really going to invade and occupy that? i was kind of alone on that. the hill has an opinion piece by a duke professor named david. it says the real date the taliban's victory was assured is february 29, 2020. when did the united states gain? nothing but vague, unenforceable promises that the taliban would not engage in hostilities. once the agreement was signed, the fate of the afghan government was signed, sealed, and delivered. you tweeted this earlier

yesterday, actually. you said the -- the way many in the media and punditry are jumping on biden makes me think if they and the ecosystem were around, this ecosystem were around in 1863, they would have deemed lincoln a failure. or would have lambasted general eisenhower. for example, 7,000 americans have already been flown out. yesterday, a thousand people died from covid here. hundreds of people died from gun violence over the last week and still not a single elected official held accountable for the january-6th insurrection. so i am just going to let you talk about your view on why we're so reflexively jumping on a decision that 90% of americans approve of, getting out of afghanistan? >> well, that's something i've struggled with. and i have thought about this a lot. i mean, part of it is there is a various cognitive biases that i think affect it and it affects the press and affects many people and policy things where they get anchored on certain things and can't get off of it no matter what facts present themselves. so there is an anchoring in something or a preference bias. and then, they -- through that

prism, they look at everything from there. to me, i will take what the general said and take it one step further which is this has been coming for a long time. i think it's actually been in place since the day we got there and said we were going to nation build because the history of the civilization is you can't build a nation, especially a democratic nation from the top down. it never works. it always has to come from the bottom up. and in order for it to work, it has to come from the bottom up now if there is a struggle from the bottom up, somebody can intercede and say i will help you as you struggle from the bottom up. that wasn't the case with afghanistan. and so, ever since that day in the bush presidency when that decision was made to go beyond just decimating al qaeda and to nation build is -- was the -- was the original sin of this problem. and to me, joe biden -- i mean, there -- you can find faults but i actually think he should be congratulated. he is basically evacuating people in a war zone in the middle of an international hurricane. and as of yet, he's not one single american has lost their

life in that time period as he's evacuated them. now, there's fault and there will be after-action reports and they will do all of that. but right now, joe biden is the first president in four presidents to have the political courage to actually do what the american public fundamentally wants. and what the -- what we've seen unfold in the last four days, to me, is confirmation that the afghan government never had control of their country. for it to fall like that is -- is evidence they had never had control. >> amen. the former president karzai is in kabul but supposedly current president left. last question to you general -- ambassador. you have already had former trump national security adviser, h.r. mcmaster, say we had a surrender agreement in 2020. he worked for the trump administration. he called it a surrender agreement. olivia troye who worked inside of the trump administration. she said that there were cabinet meetings during the trump administration where stephen miller, the anti-immigrant guy in there, would peddle his

racist hysteria about iraq and afghanistan. his enablers across government would undermine anyone who worked on solving the issue by devastating the system. if biden had a system that was completely broken and clogged because the previous administration didn't want these people here, is there any feasible way that they could have evacuated 80,000 people between may and today? >> well, i mean you're right to point out that this crisis didn't build overnight. right? i mean, at a minimum -- at a minimum -- the february 2020 agreement stated clearly that america was leaving by may of this year. so that gave us 14 months. by all reasonable expectations, we should have used those 14 months to slim down the embassy. begin to account for american citizens in the country. and to begin an aggressive application of this special

immigration visa program. the siv program, right? which -- which brings to america those afghans who worked closely with us and might be vulnerable if the -- if the taliban rose to power. so -- so at a minimum, we spent those 14 months or -- or -- or more -- um -- sort of sitting on our hands. when we could've been making progress against the numbers that need to be evacuated today. >> that's right. >> so we lost a lot of time. >> that -- we had an anti-muslim and anti-non-white immigrant administration that freed 5,000 taliban prisoners but refused to shorten the process to bring any afghan interpreters here. so they were more interested in letting taliban people out of prison than they were in getting afghan interpreters here. they didn't let them in. and so, they literally had no plan to let them in because they didn't want them here. let's just be real about where the fault lies, everybody. you can be mad at biden if you want but there is no way to get around that. i'm sorry, we're out of time.

i'm sorry. >> i just want to say -- i just want to say, too, that when we welcome these afghan refugees into our country, what we'll find is that they're some of the most vibrant, the most energetic, the most dedicated citizens we have. so we should welcome them with open arms. >> tell that to stephen miller. >> let me just add one thing. the -- the same republicans who are criticizing joe biden for not saving the afghan citizens who are our allies are the exact same republicans don't bring a mirror. >> thank you, both, very much. have a great weekend. meanwhile, a bomb threat at the u.s. capitol reminds us that domestic terrorists are still a threat to our national security and our democracy. be right back. be right back. our softest, smoothest fabric keeping her comfortable, protected, and undeniably sleek. depend. the only thing stronger than us, is you. ♪ ♪ oh, son of a poppyseed!

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that he is gonna go on a killing spree and writes, pelosi first. for more, i am joined by scott mcfarlane, nbc 4 washington investigative reporter who i follow vociferously on twitter because you are giving us such great updates. i want to ask you about what the u.s. district judge amy berman jackson, she is questioning the sort of strength of the sentences that we are seeing. i know you have reported on this show a lot about the sentences. they seem short. she says they're not really giving prosecutors time to -- courts more supervision of the people who are being sentenced. um -- and these guilty pleas seem to be not really a deterrent based on the severity. what -- what do you make of what's going on? >> yeah, joy. the judge's -- and she's not alone -- are expressing concern they are kind of being painted into a corner by these lower level plea agreements. the boilerplate plea agreement for the misdemeanor cases is unlawful picketing and parading. the guidelines are zero to six months and the restitution is $500. the judges are saying, first of

all, why not charge these defendants more? because we shouldn't just be paying for damage to the capitol but for the tens of millions of dollars in other costs from the insurrection. but what's more, there is concern that zero to six months doesn't send the proper message to deter future mobs and future insurrections. >> and very quick, we are -- we're very much out of time so i am going to have to invite you to come back because burned some time early in the show. have a great weekend and we will have you back very soon cheers. in his new book "our own worst enemy," tom nichols, contributing writer for the atlantic, describes how january 6th is the most extreme example of how we have allowed our own narcissism, anger, and resentment to put our very democracy on a precipice. nichols writes the rioters were not disenfranchised or oppressed people in a peaceful assembly. this was a lumpen-bourgeoisie. who paid lip service to democracy but had no interest in it if the results of democratic

elections offended them. tom nichols joins me now. and, tom, i remember interviewing you for my book so i am excited you have a whole book of your thoughts because i -- i enjoyed talking with you then. i am fascinated in that narrative that you have because we just talked to scott mcfarlane about the light sentences we are seeing. we're not talking about, as you said, poor folks. people who are struggling economically. who are desperate. these are people -- you know, some of them owned businesses, were ceos, flew in on private planes. and now, they are facing sentences of, like, $500 fines. i don't see how that deters the next, you know, member from saying, oh, it doesn't cost me much to try to overthrow democracy. >> well, i'm not going to second guess the justice department or the judges in all of this. i think one thing to think about is that -- um -- i -- i think january 6th shows the kind of lack of seriousness with which a lot of these folks approached

what they were doing. i mean, people were going in there and saying, you know, life or death, this is it. and don't forget, when i get back to texas, i will sell your house because i'm a great realtor. >> yeah. >> um, you know, so it may -- i -- i don't know. i'm not a lawyer. i don't work for the justice department. um -- you know, i think -- i think it's interesting that people who believe the government is persecuting them now are seeing evidence that the government may be letting them off. but i -- i think that there's a much bigger problem here than just the sentences that the rioters get. there is a bigger problem where i suppose all of us of a certain age maybe just ask when did people start thinking this is okay? when did people start thinking this is a thing to do, that if you don't like the outcome of an election -- um -- you know, that you smear feces on the walls of the u.s. capitol? that's -- that's not -- that's not the country i grew up in and i think it -- it's worrisome because it -- it's a sign of an affluent and bored country, not -- not of, you know, suffering and poverty.

poor people don't go to these protests. >> they can't afford it. first of all, they can't afford to get an airbnb and rent a mob, like you said, for a day and go home to their real estate business. but the thing i wonder is, is the creep that we stopped believing at some point that it was possible for people not us to win elections. i can remember president obama's election being accompanied by oh, that was just fraud. and people sort of already putting in their minds that it's not possible for people like me to lose. it has to be some other explanation that becomes increasingly conspiratorial. >> well, at the risk of both sidesing this, i am going to see while the american right just simply believe that it's impossible for them to lose elections. and i would argue that they have decided that if they have to govern by minority rule, so be it. but i also spent four years hearing people saying hillary clinton couldn't have possibly lost the election. the russians changed machines and, you know, we have really become a country that thinks of

every single election as this drama-filled, end-of-the-world existential crisis. and i feel sad about that. i tell a story in the book and i will be very quick. my dad was an old man and he had no love for -- um -- he was an old, white republican. was not exactly what you would call enlightened about issues of race or gender. and yet, toward the end of his life as obama was being re-elected, we were talking about it and he looked at obama and romney and he said, they're both good men. they're good men. no matter who wins, we'll be fine. i want to believe that we can get back to that. where we look and say these are good people. we'll be fine. you know? and instead, we have really internalized this notion that every election is the end of the world. and you -- you -- you can't sustain a democracy on that. >> well, i mean, and we can argue on hillary clinton but as i can tell you, the mueller report might dispute what you are saying is that obviously there was foreign interference. but the only reason that we could have foreign interference, right, is that you had 40 years

of people saying it would end the world if hillary clinton became president. and once you believe that she is an existential threat as a human being. if i am a foreign adversary, oh, no, no, no, you know, no problem. all i have to do is come in and say -- you know, try to mess with her election. but anyway, we can have that debate on twitter. you are great. your book is something that we all should be reading so thank you very much. i really appreciate you. best of luck with the book and i will tweet about it. and who won the week is next. but first, we are just weeks away from a recall election targeting california's democratic governor, gavin newsom. it's a big deal and trust me. it's unlike any election you have ever seen. filmmaker and political activist, rob reiner, joins me next. more reid outnext. next more reid outnext. e suzie's got, she'll want a plan to reach them. so she'll get some help from fidelity, and she'll feel so good about her plan, she can focus on living it. that's the planning effect, from fidelity. ok everyone, our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength and energy.

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california. just picture it. you, too, can be just like florida, texas, and mississippi. no mask mandates everywhere -- mask mandates anywhere. intensive care units filled with school children. and unvaccinated people sick

with covid begging for regeneron at pop-up clinics in parks, stadiums, and university ballrooms. this, too, could be yours in roughly one month in governor gavin newsom loses the recall election on september 14th. that's right, california. your state is, once again, embarking on a recall. this time, sparked by right-wing activists who are desperate to bring trump-style governance to your state. what could go39.5 million of yo? or the 63% who voted for president joe biden? here is the thing it just might happen and here is why. if more than 50% of voters vote to recall, yes, recall him, then the replacement candidate with the most votes becomes the governor even if they have far fewer votes than newsom. yeah. it's bonkers. there are 46 candidates for governor on the ballot. three pages. californians can pick from the finest crop of celebrities. there is caitlyn jenner or the

fiance of a real housewife of orange county. goody. or even stephen miller's presidential booster and conservative talk show host, larry elder. two questions are before california voters. should governor newsom be recalled? yes/no? and if so, who should replace him? all registered voters should have already received a mail-in ballot or will very soon. for more, i am joined by director and producer, rob reiner and no he is not one of the 46 candidates on the ballot, unfortunately. and l.a. times columnist. jean, i am going to get to you first. there is a -- sorry, i was being a little silly with the open but this is actually quite serious because california would become the most gargantuan trump state. it would be a mega florida if it were to become a republican state. larry elder who right now is the leading candidate on the other side has denied brandishing a gun at his girlfriend. his ex-fiancee. he says black people are more racist than white people.

he says he doesn't believe sanctuary laws or citizenship for dreamers should be happening. he is against in-state tuition, healthcare, and driver's licenses for the undocumented. he opposes birthright citizenship. he wants to get rid of that. he objects to cashless bail. we can go on and on and on. and he thinks that stephen miller should be president of the united states. # so how serious are the chances that this guy could be the next governor of california? >> well, it's very serious because it's possible that -- you know, that the majority of the people who are going to turn out are the people who are excited by larry elder's brand of, you know, extreme, far-right beliefs. he is to the -- to the right of trump as far as immigration issues. like -- like you mentioned -- um -- as i wrote in my book "hate monger" he mentored stephen miller from the time he was a teenager. he fed talking points to the trump campaign through stephen miller. um, he has made a career of

denying the fact of systemic racism by maligning black communities and -- and latinos. and as i wrote in my column for the "l.a. times," a lot of these false stats which have been debunked by crime law professors who i spoke to at stanford, uc berkeley, stanford, uc berkeley, columbia university, they come from a white supremacist who larry elder has repeatedly quoted in early writings in his books and continues to peddle the same false statistics. he has views shaped by this white supremacist jared taylor who he repeatedly quoted in box and articles. and he just represents an incredible threat to immigrant rights and racial justice. it would set a catastrophic precedent that would reverberate across the country. california is supposed to be a leader on these issues, things like sanctuary laws. he wants to get rid of that.

he doesn't even believe people who are born in this country should be u.s. citizens if their parents, you know, aren't citizens themselves. that goes against our constitution. >> yeah. it's scary, rob. he would not only -- i mean, this is ironic. it's a black man. it is true that even people of color can be influenced by white supremacist narratives and fall victim to it. if he were governor or any of these other characters would also be able to appoint the replacement if dianne feinstein, for instance, were to retire. so this could reverberate into washington, d.c.. >> yes. here is the thing. republicans have figured out that they cannot win based on their policies and what they stand for because they don't really stand for anything. so they know the only way they can get power is by finding a way to either voter suppress or

do these kinds of tricks with the recall, and think about this for a second. this is over 40 million people. this is like one-eighth of the country. to come under control by this maniac, larry elder, is just crazy. it's all about power grab. they are trying everywhere around the country and they are trying it in a big way here in california. california is the biggest prize of any blue state in the country. now, i want to tell you something about larry elder. i debated larry elder years ago. i passed an initiative here in california to raise cigarette taxes to fund early childhood and we debated and because we knew that by raising cigarette taxes you were going to reduce people smoking, which was a good thing. larry elder actually took the position in the debate that it was a good thing that people smoked because they would die sooner and it would reduce the health care costs and the drag on the public for medicare,

medicaid. this is a crazy man. and like you say, he is way to the right of donald trump. so this is scary. people cannot be complacent. you've got to hand in your ballot. get your ballot and vote no. that's all you have to do. vote no for the recall and gavin newsom will remain governor. >> do you think that democrats are taking this seriously enough, rob? becaus you know, a recall become a fact before. that's how arnold schwarzenegger become governor. ronald reagan, richard nixon, it could happen. >> absolutely. if you look at the polling, it's within the margin of error. you have gavin newsom up by a point and a half, two points throughout the state. that's the margin much error. and democrats are complacent. they figure there is no way that we are going to have a crazy right-wing maniac. it's going to stay in democratic hands. it won't if you don't get out

and vote. >> well, i mean, i think a lot of people said the same thing about trump becoming president of the united states. oops. i will give you the last word on this, jean. what are the democrats actually doing functionally get their vote out and to get the no vote out? >> i mean, they are putting -- they have started a campaign of trying to target -- the latino vote is crucial in this election and they are finally starting to try to campaign in those communities and put out information about somewhat truly at stake for latinos and other communities of color in the state. i mean, i think part of the reason there is some complacency, there is an idea we have a super majority in the legislature and nothing get done. but there are programs he could target, he could empower the republican minorities and the rhetoric alone would have a major impact, you know. there is already been a rise in hate crimes against latinos, against asians, against black people in the state and across

the country and he told "the l.a. times" that he wants to use terms like illegal aliens rather than undocumented because, you know, that's -- >> better politics for his radio show. >> exactly. >> and, rob, california people think hollywood, you know, which is an industry which would be under his control, but there is also agriculture, which is huge in california. there is also environment and climate. make the case for why democrats ought to pay attention and vote in california or anyone who cares about sanity reigning. >> well, because you mentioned it earlier. if he becomes governor and for some reason dianne feinstein retires, he gets to replace that seat with a republican and then we lose control of the senate. and we're just right now, it's razor thin. so you want all environmental regulations to be dragged back, you want immigration laws to be dragged back, you want

everything that we fought hard for to be at the forefront in california will be reduced and taken away if we allow one of these people to get in there. you've got to get out and vote. it feels like we are going to win, but we are on a razor's edge here. >> yeah, this is not a, you know, a big booster for the current governor, but he has been competent, he cants to stop covid, he is a sane, normal politician. don't let what happened with trump nationally happen to you, california. it could be its encountry. lord have mercy. thank you so much. we'll be right back. have mercy. thank you so much. we'll be right back.

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