and her reaction to the u.n. climate report calling the crisis code red for humanity, and today president biden doubled down in defense of his decision to leave afghanistan. we'll debate the successes and failures of nearly 20 years of war. failures of nearly 20 years of war. good evening. i'm mehdi hasan. we now live in an america where democracy hangs by the thread and political violence is fast becoming the norm. consider the every much past few days and the coming days. this week house democrats are poised to pass a sweeping election bill that would undo many of the provisions in the voting rights act that have been struck down by the supreme court. congresswoman terry sewell introduced a bill this week against the backdrop of the edmund pettus bridge in selma, alabama, site of the bloody sunday protest march. the bill's namesake, the late congressman john lewis, marched in selma. he suffered a skull fracture and bore scars from the beatings he

endured that day but bloody sunday was a turning point in the civil rights movement. those images of alabama state troopers beating and gassing john lewis. he's one in the backpack, and his fellow protesters, both horrified and galvanized americans and their politicians. the landmark voting rights act passed just five months after bloody sunday, and its provisions held for half a century until the hard right conservatives on the u.s. supreme court made their idiotic decision to throw out its provision requiring certain historically discriminatory parts of the country to get pre-clearance from the justice department before making any changes that affect voting. to quote the late justice ruth bader ginsburg in her dissent, throwing out pre-clearance when it has worked and is continuing to work to stop discriminatory changes is like throwing away your umbrella in a rainstorm because you're not getting wet. that's what the john lewis voting rights act seeks to restore and even expand, those pre-clearance provisions that would force states like georgia

and texas to get permission from the federal government before enforcing restrictive voting laws, and it's well on its way to passing in the house. that's the good news tonight. the bad news is the bill is dead on arrival in the senate where the filibuster, of course, still reins supreme court. as unlikely as getting ten republicans to support the measure is getting democrats joe marchp and kyrsten sinema to reform the filibuster even when the future of american democracy is at stake. this is what it took when john lewis fought for investigate rights in 1965. that's a billy club being swung at him. all that's being asked of manchin and sinema is to vote the right way on the filibuster, on voting rights. that's it. no skull fractures required. so what happens when the john lewis voting rights act doesn't pass in the senate? probably this. >> he's back. the donald held a rally last night also in alabama and in

congressman mo brooks's district before a raucous crowd of the party faithful but faithful more to the ideas that trump has promulgated rather than to the man himself and i'll talk more about what happened when he encouraged his supporters to get vaccinated later in the show but right now just listen to what happen when trumpist mo brooks tried to tell the crowd to move on maybe from the last election. >> folks, put that behind you. put that behind you. yes! look forward! look forward! look forward! beat them in 2022. beat them in 2024! >> the very definition of a hard sell. the consequence of pushing the big lie which brooks was doing in that very speech not second earlier but 20920 election was stolen in trump when it common straebl was not. these lies aren't just ludicrous, aren't just evidence of trump's inability to accept defeat or the republicans' desire to justify their new

voter suppression laws, they are dangerous. they incite violence and not just on january the 6th. the justice department has charged a trump supporter who drove up to the capitol in his truck on thursday and allegedly said he'd detonate a bomb, was threatening to use a weapons of mass destruction and attempting to use an explosive device. this is how thursday's incident was report by another cable network. >> a man claiming to have a bomb in his truck near the u.s. capitol sundayed after an hours long standoff. law enforcement did not find a bomb in the vehicle but stay they collected possible bomb-making materials. so far no word on a possible motive. >> it's a puzzler. no word on motivation. i guess we should just pretend that the suspect didn't spend hours streaming live on facebook about election conspiracies and the illegitimacy of joe biden's presidency. i cannot imagine where he got those ideas from. look, this political violence and domestic terror is not going

away, and donald trump is not going away, especially if democrats don't do something to defend democracy right now. who better to talk to about this tonight than mary trump, a firsthand witness as the donald estranged niece into what drives the former president. she's a clinical psychologist and author of the new book "the reckoning, our nation's trauma and finding a way to heal." mary, thanks so much for coming on the show tonight. were you surprised, were you shocked to hear that the guy who drove his truck up to the capitol on thursday and said he had a bomb was, drum roll, a supporter of your uncle and a believer in the big lie? >> oh, yeah. it was stunning, wasn't it? it's incredible how the dots connect, isn't it, and it's also quite something to see how consistently frankenstein seems to lose control of his monster which is happening yet again on the right, but as you say with

even more serious consequences than in the past, like with the tea party, for example, these people are armed. they are riled up. they feel like something has been stolen from them and they are continuing to have their completely unsupportable rage stoked by the lies and selfishness of people like donald and mo brooks. >> mary, in your recent cover story for "the new republic" magazine you talk about the second big lie, quote, unquote that was born an january the 6th in relation to political violence. what is it, and is it even more dangerous than the first big lie about the election? >> yeah the second big lie seems to be that the republicans are saying now either that the insurrection against our country on january 6th was an inside job, a deep state conspiracy or it was not a big deal.

it was just a bunch of very peaceful, very patriotic americans exercising their rights to protest even though what they were protesting was absurd because as you mentioned the first big lie is insupportable so i think that the reason the second big lie is mar dangerous which is s.a.g. something because undermining people's faiths in free and fair democracies is terribly dangerous, but by failing to hold accountable the people who incited an armed insurrection against our country, the message is as long as you get into power, as long as you are unscrupulous, as long as you are willing to disregard the constitution, you did do whatever you want, and that's the road map that donald has led for whomever comes after. >> you can do whatever you want. it could be the kind of motto of trumpism for white people, that is. you have said that you didn't think trump would run again for office in 2024, but that now

you're not so sure anymore. trump held a big rally in alabama just last night. i mean, why is an ex-president holding political rallies eight months after leaving office? why is not off building homes like jimmy carter or painting portraits like george w. bush? >> well, first of all, picturing donned doing one of those things is really kind of funny even though there's nothing very fun bet situation we find ourselves in. he's doing it. he can't help himself on the one hand because he needs the attention, but the reason it matters -- he doesn't matter. the reason it matters is because he's continued to be enabled by republican leadership, you know, these elected republicans who go down to mar-a-lago, to kiss his ring and ask for his endorsements and ask for his permission. that's why these rallies matter, plus, of course, in the middle of covid in a state that has now icu beds left, know, and that's, again, that's part of this long-standing problem which is donald's really good at asking

for micro concessions and now he's asking people to risk their lives in a crowd to see them which makes it a lot easier not to care what happens down the road to them or anyone else if they feel it's for a good cause. >> if he does run in 2024 and he wins, especially with the help of voter suppression, what happens to american democracy post-2024 in a trump second term? >> it's over. i think we need to be really, really clear about that and i -- and the democrats are the only people who can prevent that from happening. we could use some help from the media. >> but they are not. >> as well. >> well, that's the problem. >> and they are not. democrats are not. they are talking a good game but -- >> are they even doing that though you? know, they are acting as if the only way to save democracy is to find common cause with a party of fascists who no longer believe in democracy because they know that if they let the democratic process unfold they

can't win elections anymore. so it's -- it's absurd and they need to start taking this seriously. we're on the brink of something not just dangerous but terrifying, and the fact that democrats can't seem to explain to manchin and sinema -- i mean, i'm sure there are others, but those two are the face of the filibuster debacle, that what is at stake is really quite something because i understand it, you understand it. these are sitting senators of the united states. they should be able to grasp what's going on here. >> they should but they don't seem to. it's just mind-boggling. let me ask you this. your first book on your uncle "too much and not enough, how my family created the world's most dangerous man." that was a global best-seller. the new book is called "the rec anything, our nation's trauma and finding a way to heal." we talk a lot these days about

how polarized america is. let me ask you this. you're a psychologist. how traumatized is america and american society right now and what's driving that trauma? >> well, we're social as traumatized as we've been in my lifetime, and i think that's partially because of the division you speak of, the polarization you speak of. we faced a global pandemic. we're still in the middle of it. we're in our fourth wave now. people are exhausted. people who have been responsible are resentful and angry. people on the other side may not know it but they are going to suffer the consequences of that, too. they are being betrayed by their leaders, so the problem with trauma is you can not start to deal with it or heel from it if you're still being actively traumatized. so it's going to be a while before we even understand fully the consequences of what's happened to us, not just over the last year and a half, but over the last four years because donald thrives on division and

chaos. it's exhausting. it's innovating and we can't let our guard down. we have a very long road ahead of us. fortunately the one thing that really could have gotten us through covid better was a leader who cared about other human beings and united us against the pandemic instead of dividing against each other. it was diabolical what he did. >> indeed it is and keep your guard up is a very important advice. author and psychologist mary trump. the new book is called "the reckoning." always a pleasure to speak with you. thanks so much. >> next, my conversation with climate activist and global icon grete thunberg. she tells us why and how her global climate campaign all began and where it goes next. plus, the afghanistan war and the withdrawal. who got it right and who got so wrong? al who got it right and who got so wrong? ♪ music playing. ♪

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this week marks three years of the fridays for future climate protests. 185 countries, tens of thousands of events and one teenager at the center of it all. greta thunberg and 157 weeks on from greta's original school strike outside of the swedish parliament, the battle to hold world leaders accountable for their lack of action on climate change is as urgent as ever. the urgency laid bare by a report this month from the intergovernmental panel on climate change, the apcc it. found the earth will hit its 1.5-degree celsius climate limit within 20 years adding that human activity is changing the climate in unprecedented and, yes, irreversible ways. earlier i spoke with the young climate activist who has become an icon for many, greta thunberg. greta thunberg, thanks so much for coming back on the show. it's almost exactly three years

since you launched your school strike, what was then a solitary protest against climate change by a 15-year-old outside the swedish parliament in stockholm which then morphed into global school strikes involving millions of kids around the world. did you ever imagine what you started three years ago this month would turn into what it's turned into and what's it's turned you into, a global icon? >> well, no, of course not. this is something that no one could have predicted. at the time i just felt like i need to do south korea. swufn needs to do something and i'm someone and i can do something and i idea was to sit there every day until the swedish election and then i did that but after the election i thought why should i stop now when -- when i've got this going and when more people are joining so then i and some other activists decided that we were going to continue for every friday until sweden and then we

went on every friday and over time more and more people joined and suddenly it became a global movement. >> a global movement started by a single girl in stockholm. very impressive, as i've said before. earlier this month, greta, the international panel on climate change, the ipcc, put out a pretty devastating report which the u.n. secretary-general called a code red for humanity. in a "new york times" op-ed that you co-authored you wrote that young people like us have been sounding this alarm for years. you just haven't listened. why do you think that is? >> i don't know. of course, we can have many theories but this, but it feels like we -- it's -- it's something that we don't want to listen to, that many people in power don't want to because it's very uncomfortable. it is something that they do not want to deal with so they just

continue to bush it down in the future, down the road for the children to handle, to deal with, and that's -- that's very shameful, and it's -- yeah. as long as we don't treat the crisis like a crisis we can continue on like today and they will get away with not caring about this, unfortunately. >> and it -- and, unfortunately, it is shameful is the right word that you use. what was your own reaction to this recent ipcc report? it was a real blow to you to see just how bad things are, even after three years of activism from you and you and millions of others? i saw you point out on twit their since the first school strike the world has emitted over 120 billion tons of co2. >> to be honest this report summarizes like these last years of research so it's not something that's revolutionary and new. we could have predict what was

said in this report so to speak, but what's -- what i find very hopeful is that normal scientists now who are starting to tell it like it is. it feels like many are becoming more comfortable with actually telling the truth and not watering it down so much. of course, this is very moderate, but, still, so i find that very hopeful at least. what could be a risk now is that people would be scared and people won't be able to handle the truth so we tell them a lie and give them false hope so that we fall back to sleep. that could be a risk in that, so i hope that this can be a wake-up call for us because, i mean, we all really knew that the situation was very, very dire, that we need to act now and this confirms that. i mean one core point in this art call that we are running out of time but we still have a

chance to turn this around. we can still avoid the worst consequences. >> there is a danger, isn't there, between scaring people justifiably with what's coming and what has already come and demoralizing them into then not acting. >> yes. of course, there's a very fine balance between being enough hopeful so that people won't give up but also making it not sound like we don't need do anything because things are being taken care of. >> yes. >> yeah. >> last time you came on the show, goleta, back in march, you said in a clip that later went viral online, you said this about the joe biden administration and whether it was taking climate change seriously. >> i would just like him to basically treatment the climate crisis like a crisis. they have said themselves that this is an existential threat, and they better treat it accordingly which they are not. i mean, they are just treating climate -- the climate crisis like as it was a political topic

among other topics, and, yeah, treat it as a crisis. >> has your view of the biden administration and its stance on climate change, has that changed in the intervening months, especially in the wake of the big infrastructure an budget reconciliation billings currently in congress, both of which have some pretty serious measures in them to tackle climate change? >> yeah. fortunately, no. my view has not changed. this has just confirmed this administration is not ready to -- to act as seriously as we need, unfortunately, but that's what i expected. >> one of the things we discussed extensively on this show when the new ipcc report came out earlier this month warning that the window for action is closing, some areas already closed. where does the blame life,

individuals with refuse to change their lifestyles, drive less, fall less, is it with politicians? where do you think the blame lies? >> i mean, the blame lies, of course, with the people who are in charge but also the system itself. of course, this is not up to individuals to change. of course, we cannot blame individuals who don't want to stop flying and so on. that's just ridiculous. of course we will need individuals pushing for change but that's not -- that's not the core of this crisis. the there are some players who have enormous responsibility and who need to be held accountable. we talk about these 100 companies who are responsible for huge part of the climate crisis, for contributing to it but then we also need to remember that if these 100 companies disappeared, the climate crisis wouldn't disappear because it's a much larger structural issue so that's where the blame lies i think. >> you can catch much more of

that interview with greta thunberg on my show tomorrow night at 7:00 p.m. eastern on "the choice" on nbc's streaming channel peacock. but coming up next, why some of the people commenting on biden's withdrawal from afghanistan are really annoying me. that's my 60-second rant, but first melissa rehberger is here with the headlines. hello. >> thank you, mehdi. stories we're watching this horry. tropical storm henri made landfall just after noon on sunday near wehrli rhode island. hundreds of thousands of people across the northern east coast are without power. henri is expected to weaken to a tropical depression tonight. raise horse bold and bossy escaped her racetrack minutes before starting her first race on saturday afternoon. the horse was seen running down highway 41 in kentucky. bold and bossy is now back home and unharmed. don everily, half of the rock 'n' roll hall of fame duo the everily brothers died at the age of 84. the group was known for "bye-bye

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welcome back. it's time for what i call the "60 second rant." start the clock. one of the most annoying aspects about covering the bide withdrawal from afghanistan is the american public support the withdrawal and those of us who opposed this catastrophic war have been tragically vindicated and you wouldn't know any of that from the debate we're having right now. oop-ed pages and tv screens filled with getting it wrong and what should happen with what happened in afghanistan. journalist who covered it up and never talked about it. helped about the forgotten war and now they are talking about it, the top u.s. general and intelligence officials that false hi told us year after year that we were turning the corner and winning the war against a taliban and building an amazing afghan army. even then the bush administration officials who got us into this mess in the first place, the trump administration

officials who signed the deal in the taliban, trying to blame it on joe biden and the carping and complaining from both sides, democrats and republicans who spent other years and other people's kids to fight what was an unwinnable and unpopular way zo keep your views on the end of this war to yourself and personally i would like a moment of silence from all of you. how about starting with the word sorry. coming cup, i'll debate with two experts about what we've got right and wrong about the afghan withdrawal. don't go away. ong about the afgn withdrawal don't go away.

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the bottom line is this. look. at the end of the day if we didn't leave afghanistan now, when do we leave? another ten years, another five years, another year? i'm not about to send your son or your daughter to fight in afghanistan. >> biden continuing to defend the withdrawal from afghanistan this evening, but did he need to? nbc news polling out today shows 61% of americans say the war in afghanistan wasn't worth it and an under pressure president met with his national security team to discuss the crisis. the white house says more than 7,800 people were evacuated from the country yesterday, the u.s. ordering six commercial airlines. the president not ruling out sending more troops to kabul either to assist with that

evacuation and what are we getting right and wrong in this withdrawal of coverage from afghanistan. joining us is author and former nbc news afghanistan correspondent and mother jones washington bureau chief david corn. you spoke you and i earlier this week and you were very critical of the administration. the administration is saying on the sunday morning shows that actually thousands of people have been evacuated and no american lives lost so far. how do you feel about where we are tonight? >> i think we're at a place where the military on the ground, the diplomats on the ground and really our allies from all around the world are forces to be right now. there are still a lot of troubles going on at the parent at the moment, a lot of people stuck outside and american citizens that got a message from the u.s. emsay in kabul and not

to come because of a possible threat. i was critical and i think it's okay to be critical of the decisions made because i think the administration needs to do better. >> yes. i think they are trying to do better and trying to listen to the people on the ground, something that this administration and past administrations have not done so i think it's okay to be critical of the decisions made because there are lives on the line american and afghan and our international allies. david you wrote in your newsletter, quote, the taliban takeover and the calamitous collapse of kabul are the years of failure to understand the war and immense failure covered up by the administrations of george w. bush and barack obama and donald trump. do you think this is dump at the biden door by politicians and the press. the point is the biden administration needs to do

better. >> i think there are two things going on and i'm a big fan of her reporting and thanks for all the things we know about and care about. what we're seeing in the last few days and the crisis in terms of getting thousands of americans and afghans out of the country around whether that's going well or not as well as we would have happened and the 20 years in the making reckoning, the story of a afghanistan from the job administration and the drourm administration and a little bit into biden and he's just gotten the job recently and we were told that the afghan government was stable, could take care of itself and the military was getting better and better and we were there to support them in the fights against the taliban and that they, you know, getting closer to being able to do this independently without us. well, i'm looking on my screen here at a tweet from the special

inspector general for afghanistan reconstruction that said this came out yesterday and they are sippeding up a report they put out. the u.s. government did not understand afghan context and, that, failed to tailor its effort accordingly. ignorance in social, political context in afghanistan has been a signature contributing factors to operational failures at strategic levels. we got it wrong. we never knew what we were doing there and kind of bamboozled the american public again and again and again and now this is becoming clear in the collapse of kabul as we try to deal with the crisis that was just being described >> you spent a great deal of time from kabul covering this war. was there ever a scenario in wit u.s. was going to pull out of afghanistan without chaos and criticism and humiliation from

the u.s. which believes basically defeted. >> when you pull out of any war and you have been told you have failed there's going to be chaos. i want to emphasize there's been a lot of achievements in the last 20 years, particularly for the afghan people but i want to go back to say something that i would hear on the ground all the time when i was with the u.s. military, international forces or with u.s. diplomats. they kept telling the afghan people we won't abandon you again. we won't make that mass take. saw what happened with 9/11. we might not be here militarily forever but we'll never abandon you. unfortunately what we saw was complete abandonment and i've said this before. there are plenty of choices between all-out war and complete abandonment. in fact, we still have u.s.

service members in non-combat missions including al bain yeah, iraq, south korea. that is was just more of a confidence issue for the afghan forces. they were actually doing a pretty stable job the last for you years. don't get me wrong. it was violent. it was messy. it was bloody, but they needed that support in the background. >> so -- so david, respond to that. complete abandonment of afghanistan. do you agree with her? >> i think there's probably a way to have a softer transition perhaps and which there was some support even if not on the ground and some degree of confidence and joe biden has made this point that the afghan government ran. the president truly fled the country in the middle of this and we've seen there's a will to fight on one side and not on the other side and i think that's tragic in a way.

you know. you look at the advances made for women and girls in afghanistan for over 20 years as the taliban has been kept in bay and i and others worry about what's going to happen next and at the same time the civil society of afghanistan and the government never real came together into a that could protect those advances on their own so what is the u.s. to do. i'm sure there are things that they contemplated and maybe even may come to pass in the weeks and months ahead but generally we've seen a failure of state building and a failure on the afghanistan side to build a state of it own to counter the threat from the taliban. so i hope now actually we see some of the remnants of that government negotiating with the taliban. is that a good thing or a bad thing? i don't know, but maybe it could lead to a less bad situation than what the last time the taliban were there.

i hate to be optimistic at all in the middle of this moment but it's really pretty complicated and the afghans have to sort of be able to protect some of these advances on their own. >> can i just respond to that respectfully. there's a lot of talk and blame being cut on the afghan military and it's a bad image on the outside but i do ask the question to you, what military has ever won when they lost the supply to food, water, ammunition and fuel. so they were put in a very bad position. this is an afghan security force who has lost nearly 70,000 people in the fight in the last 20 years. 70,000 forces and that donned include civilians so this image of making themselves cowardly i honest life don't find very fair. >> i'm not saying cowardly but

they weren't put forward in an effective way in order to challenge the taliban and the question i have is there anything the u.s. or nato could have done to build up the force the bolster and prop up a better government? we'll have to leave it there. we're out of time. we could carry this conversation on for so long. there's so much to discuss, but i appreciate boast you and both of your insights. thanks for joining me tonight. next we'll show and tell you why donald trump's own crowd turned on him last night in alabama. don't go away. alabama don't go away. i've got moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. now, there's skyrizi. ♪ things are getting clearer. ♪ ♪ i feel free to bare my skin yeah, that's all me. ♪ ♪ nothing and me go hand in hand nothing on my skin, ♪

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should give a primetime address and urge his base to get vaccinated. that, of course, never happened n.july sarah huckabee sanders, trump's former press secretary, wrote an op-ed about her hesitancy. if getting vaccinated was safe enough for them, i felt it was safe enough for me. but trump resisted all these efforts in, part according to "the daily beast" because he didn't want to do biden any favors. how magnanimous. sanders, moore and many of you at home may be encouraged to hear that at his rally in alabama last night trump did tell his supporters to get the shot, but it didn't go so well. >> we developed a vaccine, three vaccines in three months, in nine months, and actually, i'll tell you, it was three days less, three days less than nine months, and it's great, and you know, what i believe totally in your freedoms, i do. you have to do what you have to do, but i recommend taking the

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millions of kids are heading back to the classroom tomorrow, including mine. but are schools truly prepared to welcome them back? much of the school return debate has focused on mask mandates, and what are schools doing with the ventilation, and the delta variant is airborne and dr. kimberly from the university of california in san diego. thank you for coming on the show tonight. we hear a lot about mask

mandates, and you said one of the top priorities for schools should be to clean the air. how do they do that and how important is the whole issue of ventilation in our schools? >> yes, so just to be completely clear, assuming we all have masks, that's a given, right, in order to go back and keep schools open, everybody has to wear masks, vaccinated and unvaccinated with it being as contagious as it is. we need more layers of protection. we need everything we can in our toolbox to help us. ventilation is basically as simple as cracking doors and windows and bringing in fresh air, and we have co2 meters we can use, and it's a way to see if the air is as fresh as outdoors and we want that to be closer together. and the other thing we have been pushing that is doable in the fall is filtration, pulling the virus, if it does escape into the air pulling it back out of the air with filtration, just

simple hepa filters, no plasma, no bells or whistles, and you can pull with a few hepa filters, which is inexpensive, and you can pull 99% out of the aerosols and pollution for overall healthier air. >> you said lunch is that a time that could be risky, and you want to space kids out as much as possible and make lunch as short as possible. how many schools are taking that advice onboard and what is the risk if they don't? >> the risky place is indoors and without masks and talking, so everybody knows that lunch is going to be the trickiest time. but not all places can go

outside. in san diego we can go outside and they are bringing in tents a lot of places to do this. this is the place. some places are shortening the school day so people don't eat at school because this is the riskiest place, as you say. >> the w.h.o. and the cdc were both slow to acknowledge the fact that covid -- that the coronavirus was airborne. last september the cdc seemed to quietly acknowledge that it was airborne before quickly and quietly again removing that information from their website, and we spent so much time disinfecting surfaces and disinfecting our groceries, and do you think the failure by officials to acknowledge the airborne nature of this virus was? >> it would be a big blow. they assembled a group through

twitter, we have been spreading the message as good as we can. one thing is -- once you acknowledge it's airborne, it's incredibly fixable so we didn't have to be in this position if everybody just knew it's in the air and you have to get it out of the air and protect yourself from inhaling it. yeah, it's a big blow but because i think we stepped in, then, you know, we have been actually able to help spread the message, but we're still hopeful that cdc and w.h.o. will deliver a clear message soon. >> just on the schools and the issue that you mentioned hepa filters, and i wanted to ask you, what is the cost of this stuff? how much would it cost the federal, state, local government if these things were in place? >> if you put a hepa filter in every single classroom in the u.s. it would be about $1 billion. what is happening right now, people are building their own, and there are these things

called corsi rosenthal boxes we have been helping build, and you can build one for about $50 and run them in your classroom and they work, so there are inexpensive solutions for the fall. we have to do something. we cannot send kids back without cleaning the air. >> no, we can't. it's truly a challenge. i am amazed that you are saying it's only going to cost $1 billion to put filters in place and yet the state governments have not done that, and it's just bizarre. doctor, we will have to leave it there. thank you so much for your time tonight. thank you for your insights and your campaigning on this issue. thank you all for watching at home, and we'll be right back here next sunday at 8:00 p.m. eastern. you can catch me monday through thursday at 7:00 p.m. on "the choice" on nbc's streaming

channel, the peacock, and stay tuned for "the way i see it" tonight at 10:00, and the film offers an unprecedented look behind the scenes of barack obama and ronald reagan as seen through the eyes of the white house photographer, pete souza. now it's time to turn it over to my colleague. >> president biden is not backing down on afghanistan. >> i am not about to send your son or your daughter to fight in afghanistan. i don't see where that is in our overall interest. >> we'll discuss where the u.s. evacuation stands for american citizens and vulnerable afghans. america has had three straight days of at least 1 million vaccine doses and people are still lining up to get their shots and now their boosters. we will answer more of your