deconfliction with the taliban. we're required to keep these lines occupy who do have check points out beyond the airport. we have seen this work well in terms of allowing access and flow. those crowds have been a problem. you heard me talk about this several days ago. they used a helicopter to bring people in and it was largely because of the crowd size outside of the abbey gate. i would like to go back to the incident, can you be more

specific and tell us if you can rule out the attackers and i would like to go back to the deadline, the french authorities said today that it is necessary to continue the evacuations beyond this. >> we cannot rule out who the hostile actor was in this shooting incident last night. i think as you saw central command referred to it as a hostile actor, and it just happened. so i don't know when we'll have more forensics on this. again our focus was on making sure that we could maintain security at the airport. it was maintained. sadly it resulted in a loss of a life of one afghan soldier and wounded several others. that is our focus right now.

the goal is to get as many people out as fast as possible. while we're glad to see the numbers we got yesterday, we're not going to rest. the focus is on trying to do this the best we can by the end of the month. f we need to have an additional conversation with the commander and chief about that timeline, he will do that, but we're not at that point right now. has the taliban told you that they must leave, is that something you have agreed to for the taliban? >> we have seen their statements. i think they understand that view. >> is it only americans and siv shoulders throughout the gate now. what is the policy with afghans

in need. they are still being processed and facilitated. >> given the number of people hiding, some americans, afghan allies, why not go get an agreement to have them come and land in kandahar. we saw them bring them back with a c-17. why not use the pakistanis and the kataharis out. it is a check point right now. >> first of all, it has improved and increased and i'm not going to, i don't think it would be a useful expenditure of our time

to the whole issue with bagram. it was closed down as part of the retro grade. >> why not look at the situation now, you need airfields to get people out. >> let me try first, and then i will give it to the general clearly. we are improving our throughput. and we think that we will be able to try to improve that, that is the goal. what you're talking about is an expenditure of researchers and personnel. as well as an increase most likely to the threat they're under to try to go back and, as you put it, reretake the base.

it was the last base to be turned over to the afghans. even as recently as three weeks ago before we actually had to conduct a noncombatant evacuation, the leaders ran a table top exercise on what it would be like to run an effective operation out of hamid karzai international airport. it's not without challenges, but we're doing that now. that focus is on making sure that we can get as many people out as possible. and jen, the numbers are showing that it is working. nobody is taking it for granted, don't want to be predictive about tomorrow, but it's working. do you have anything to add to that? okay. >> back to the august 31st question. is that extending that deadline, is it really an option for the u.s. any more?

>> our crystal is on getting this done by the end of the month, tara. what we do here is options. our job is to provide the president and chief options. as you heard the secretary of state say if he gets to a point, he and if they need to provide that advice and county till, they will do that. if the secretary had more time on the clock, he would do it, but we're focused on getting this done. >> you mentioned 42,000 have been evacuated, does that inclut the commercial and charter plains? >> yes, that total number is u.s. military plus u.s. civilian state department contracts that went out also, early on.

>> do you have a break down of the number of citizens that got out? >> i do, but i don't have that right now. >> just a couple quick questions. this is pfizer, right? that would be mandatory? >> right now we're focused on the pfizer vaccine. >> how many soldiers remain in the perimeter. i think you said five to 600. >> i believe that's the number. >> we think that overall we have been able to evacuate several thousand americans. and i don't want to get more specific than that, but since the 14th we believe we have been able to evacuate several

thousand americans. >> very quickly, the last table top exercise for the new operation was about three weeks ago? >> it was about three weeks ago and it was certainly before kabul fell. it is something that i talked about before. this is something the pentagon had been thinking about for a long time, as far back as late april when we held a rehearsal exercise here looking at the retro grade and how that would parse out. apart of that conversation was the potential for noncombatant evacuation operations and what that would like like and how we would execute that. >> i wanted to know if you could clarify a couple points you made earlier. you said any extension would be the secretary talking with the president, would that decision include inputs from nato allies? is that a factor? >> i the we absolutely will

consider them, and as the general briefs, very much part of moving people out. >> have they communicated to the united states that they need more time. >> can you member we. >> it is tactical movements on any given day, but that has a caveat. we look at the airport etc. and the immediate environment of the airport. that is where you have taliban check points and crowds

attemptabling. that is where access to the gates is critical in that space just outside of the airport. and what we're doing is we're in constant communication with the taliban and that space and what it looks like. the only thing that i would say is as you heard the secretary say this and general millie say this. we're going to do everything that we can to make sure that those that need to get out can get out and that includes the monitoring and the accessibility on any given day. >> i appreciate that, but i'm just looking for details, i think it is a different threat to u.s. forces. i just want an understanding of

how often we should be thinking about where the u.s. military is in that environment. >> i would tell you that we consider our troops in harms way at the airport. it's a dangerous situation, no question about that, and we're not taking any threats for granted. and the commanders on the ground have the where with all to move their forces as they see fit to again do essentially three things. make sure the airport is secure and can be defended. make sure air operations continue to carry on at the clip that we need them to carry on, and c, making sure that american citizens and at risk afghans can get ax -- access to the people.

and they can deploy forces as they see fit. and i just don't think it is helpful particularly because the threat environment is so high for us to talk with specificity about what that looks like. >> were you being deliberately vague when you said the number of americans was several,000, or is it because you're not sure of the number? if you need to check the number, it is the most important number, if it's a matter of checking the number can you do that and give it to us and if you're being deliberately vague, can you tell us why you're being vague? >> i'm going to leave it at several thousand. >> tell us why. >> it is fluid and it changes by the hour. >> it's not more fluid than the 11,000 --

>> i'm going to leave it at several thousand right now. >> you said that you heard the public statements from the taliban about the redline on august 31st. does this mean that you didn't hear it from them. did you discuss with them the need for extending that august 31st? >> i'm not going to speak to specificity with the communications that we're having. we are well aware of the stated desire by the taliban to have this commission completed by the 31st of august. i would tell you that we, too, are still planning on completing it by the 31st of august. >> are the forces remaining now

in kabul on the mission, the forces, are they maintaining the capability to maybe deal with a threat from taliban beyond august 31st deadline? >> i would be hypothesizing past the 31sst. >> it includes being able to defend the airport and their operations and we have assets in place to allow them to do that as well. i'm not going to speculate about we're head down on this and if

there needs to be a discussion then we'll have that discussion at the appropriate time with the commander and chief. >> let me go to the phones, thank you, regarding the incident was the gunman killed and was it u.s. troops that shot this person? >> i do not know on that. this just happened, jeff, so i don't think that we have that level of forensic detail to offer you today. >> thank you. >> do you have one more, jeff? >> yes, sorry, from what we're hearing on the ground only american stsds and green card holders are being allowed into the airport. do you know when that will change? >> as i mentioned it is for american citizens, siv applicants.

at risk afghans are absolutely being considered for entry. >> two questions, first of all how many people have been killed at the airport. we have heard seven, nine, a nato official told abc there was 20 killed. >> are you talking about afghans at the gates? >> the total number of people killed on monday when the c-17 took off, two killed in skirmishes in the airport, what's the total number of the people who have died. >> i don't have exact numbers of that, so i can't answer the exact number right now. >> can you take that question and get back? >> absolutely. >> you mentioned, sir, the capacity was 5800 troops at the airport right thousand and the secretary of defense said he did not have the capability to go out and do distractions because there is not enough troops, have

you asked for authorization of additional troops to go in and help with extraction if it comes to that. >> yes, you're talking about capability and troop number and i think those are two different things. we have about 5800 forces, as i briefed over the woekd, as forces flew in, capability continued to increase. initial security was the most important ability to establish. without that security the ability to do other things is just not possible. so as our capability increased and at that 5800 number, as you have seen we have the cape about and we have executed other operations to ensure that american citizens are being brought in safely and prepared for i vakuation. >> just so i can understand what you're saying, you think that at

5800 troops the u.s. has the capability now to expand the perimeter and continue all of this and do whatever the president mentioned with the opening of the perimeter and to also do extractions if needed? >> no, i said 5800 were able to kwont to increase safety there and to continue the operations that we already have. >> what the secretary said was that where he was on last wednesday, and that we didn't have the capability of move large amounts of people. and as the general said, in the course of the enduing days more capability has found there in, more troops have flown in, and we have the ability to help when

and where we can to help americans move towards the gates. and we're not going to talk about the details of each and every one of those. >> do you for see the details, for the additional troops to go in. do you for see authorizing additional? >> there are no questions at this time to organization addition gnat forces. >>. >> i still don't understand what is going on. >> on occasion as needed. they have the authority they need to use their assets and their forces to help assist americans that need to get to the airport to get to the

airport on a case by case basis. your question was -- it's not regular. i don't want to leave you with the idea that we're patrolling the streets of kabul, but if there is a need and a capability to meet that need welcome our commanders will do what they need to do to help americans reach the airport. there is a variety of methods that can be affected. we're using the variety of methods at our disposal. >> has there been additional cases since there. >> there has been at least one additional instance where rotary air lift helped americans get from outside of the airport into the airport, and i think i will just leave it at that today. >> wait, i have more, the plans

organization, when do you expect that you will have to -- assuming you're sticking to this deadline, when will you have to stop taking in additional people at the airport? because you have to get the 5800 american troops. >> you mean stop taking in evacuees? >> yes, what is the deadline so you can get the american military, any last people there, when do you stop accepting e evacuees. >> it is certainly conceivable that even without a footprint there people can still get out of kabul. i don't have specific retro grade time line to speak to today 37 we will work through

that as is appropriate as we get to the end of the mission. we methodically plan out the assets of equipment and and we can preserve the capability we need -- >> i ask in a because it took several days to bring these 5800 in. i know there are hurdles to getting in, but it could take a day or two to get the military back out. so that may bump the timeline back. >> yeah, i think clearly -- >> clearly you have to do some backward planning for retro grade. i'm not willing to speak to the dates or process for which that would occur. we're thinking through that right now and a lot of that will depend on how far and how fast

we get by the end of the month. i just don't want to speculate on what that will look like. the focus is on getting as many people out as fast as we it. we are doing that now, and we will factor all of those things in to whatever the departure timeline looks like to make sure we continue to maximize throughput as fast as we can. and with some exceptions, some small exceptions, we have been fortunate that nobody has. >> is there an effort to tally up the u.s. weapons and equipment under taliban control and is there any way to combat this? >> we talked about this before.

the afghans had at their disposal, that now it might be at risk. we don't want to see any weapons or systems that could fall into the hands of people that would use them in such a way that could harm our interests or those of our partners and allies. we have a vested interest in not wanting that to happen but i don't have a policy collusion for you today about how we would or could address that going forward. i remind you mike that an awful lot of equipment, weapons, resources, were drawn down in the last years and months of the

previous administration at president trump decided to move down to a force of 2800. there was a lot of retro grade of things to that point. up to the president's decision in mid april to complete this draw down, on an extended timeline, a very big part of it was the disposition of weapons, equipment, and destroyed, some were brought home, some were redistributed, and some were given to the afghans. i do not have specific solutions for you on what we can or will do going forward on this. and to the degree, well, i will

leave it at that. >> let me ask about general taylor, general taylor, the united states has asked south korea to act. do you have more details on this? >> i don't other than that that communication is happening and we're very grateful for all of our partners and allies that continue to offer any assistance to allow the safe evacuation of afghans. in the united states, and in south kore -- >> i don't know how many republic of korea aircraft have been used. a lot of countries have been

supporting and we appreciate that. >> thank you very much. >> all right, back to the phones here. kim doshier? >> thanks, john. i wanted to ask if you were given the short amount of time left, just seven days, are you going to allow private charters to start landing in greating numbers to pick up afghans at risk? even by conserve math you can't move all of the citizens, the green card holders, the special operators, et cetera. also private charter companies tell me that they were told when they land they have one hour to land, pick everyone up, and take you have. some are leery of going because they don't think they can get it done that fast. >> the ability to continue

throughput is very important. so as we look at airfield operations and the ability to get aircraft planned safely drives the time on the ground to maximize the amount of evacwees that we can get out. the numbers require, as you said, aircraft on average to be on the ground less than an hour. i do know that they are facilitating and want to continue to use every capability possible to get people out of kabul. so that's all i have. >> on the phone here, sam?

>> can we get a update on u.s. support for the haiti earthquake and disaster relief. >> yeah, i think we can facility that later, sam. but yes, we can get you a update on that. it sounds like the u.s. is relying on the taliban for crowd control outside of the gates. that was not part of the plan. what forces were originally assigned to conduct security outside of the perimeter and how did that fall apart? where are they now? and then i have a follow up. >> the 5800 forces were part of that force package to provide security for the airfield. as, you know, within the last seven days we have seen the ability to continue to

coordinate and sink i would say the ability to control better the access into that. >> so you're saying that u.s. troops that were originally planning to be at the perimeter, that is not working out? >> the original 5800 forces were planning to security the gates. >> on the interior of the airport, not on the outside. >> that's not what i said. i said the plan going in, and what changed is the coordination and using the use of or the taliban being there. >> i understand. one last question if i might.

>> how will it dictate when we leave? >> our continued mission that we were given was to secure the airfield and to facility the evacuation by august 31st. and i will just refer back to the comments already made. >> we covered this pretty well. >> so the roll out plan, is the idea that pfizer will come in and they will wait for mid september? will he ask earlier, or will it become mandatory as they become fully licensed? >> the focus today with the fda approval is on the vaccine. and it is to implement a mandatory evacuation for pfizer.

mike? >> thanks. >> can you speak a little to any covid prechs that is going on at the airport? are they being tested before they get on aircrafts or in intermediary countries? >> as i understand it medical personnel are conducting covid screenings for those symptomatic. and then as appropriate, depending on the safe haven, additional screenings at some of those occur, and upon arrival at the united states all passengers are being tested upon arrival and then, you know, the medical professionals are making the proper decisions after that?

>> is there is concern for mostive soldiers on the ground? >> i don't know what, what positive results have come in for soldiers, but they're health and safety obviously remains a top concern for all of us. >> i think you announced that it is now -- is that a new edition? >> that is one additional base, we had been talking about three prior to that. joint base mcguire. they are now available to receive some of the applicants and our goal is to reach the

ability, not necessarily the actual count, but the ability to build out to about 28,000 capacity. we're not there yet, it will take days and weeks for all four to combine to that level but that is the goal right now. the other thing i would say is if the secretary in communication with the chairman and the general feels like we need to add to that capacity and add additional u.s. military installations then we will do that. >> what is the current number of individuals at that. >> here is my last question. it is such an effort to get into the airport, and some people are lucky to get in but now we're hearing the food supplies, the swatter flies, sanitation,

hygiene, are really bad in the airport. so bad that some people are returning to go outside the perimeter. so my question is this, how can you prevention a humanitarian crisis in the airport as this goes on and on? >> right now, it is about 1200 have entered into the united states. as we talk about the conditions and trying to continue a humane and safe area, those are bringing those supplies in as they are used, we're continuingly replenishing those to ensure that we have food,

water, and more for those preparing for evacuation flights. so you know the last 28 hours we had a lot of folks on there which is a good thing, right? that means we got people through the gate, we processed them. the commanders there are always assessing what requirements are to ensure that safe and humanitarian environment. >> i would just add, we're mindful of these reports, too. it's not lost on us. there is a lot of people that are desperate. we are trying to do the best we can to get them out of harm's way as fast as possible. sometimes people are stuck in a given location at the karzai

airport, and no one, more than the u.s. military and our troops do not want to see anyone suffer. we're very aware there thatch there has been some sanitation issues and issues of sustain ment they're leaving with people, we're doing the best that we can under extraordinary circumstances. the pain, the suffering, the anxiety, is not lost on us or our troops. >> the report that the british evacuation commander has been locked out of all negotiations and that there is a great deal of tension right now between the

brits that are sending people outside of the airport, what is happening with our allies? is this report accurate? supposedly there was supposed to be an 82nd airborne jump into the air base to open that field and that was shut down by the white house, is that accurate? >> that's the first i'm hearing these reports. the only thing that i would you mentioned the brits that want to go out, we are doing it as well, we are going out as needed and helping americans get into the field. >> you only described one of those instances. >> she asked me specifically about air lifts. that doesn't mean it is the sum total of what we're doing to try to assist americans coming in. the threat environment is so high we're not going to detail all of them.

you'll have to give me some time to die sect this and come back to you. do you have that as well, and are they getting them back to you? >> i don't have anything on that reporting that you have there. we can take the question and try to get back to you. >> could you clarify something that you said to jim and courtney. what kind of korz nation happens with the taliban forces on the ground. >> there is no joint patrols. >> can you give us a sense. >> there is no joint patrols but we're in communication with the taliban about their presence and where it is around the field. and i think nancy for reasons that i hope you understand we're not going to get into the

tactical level of details of what we're doing to assist americans getting on to the field. we want to preserve as many options as we can going forward. it is so dynamic and dangerous. we will just not detail everything that we're doing and every unt that we're taking advantage of. >> the u.s. forces are side by side with taliban, i just want a visual of what it is looking like. >> no, you can erase that visual, that's not what is going on. thank you very much, i appreciate it. our goal is to come back here again around 1500 for an afternoon update and we'll keep you apprised if and when that changes. thank you very much.

you have been listening to a briefing from the pentagon. the mission is getting people out of kabul. we just learned that the u.s. evacuated around 20,000 people. the briefing also addressed some significant breaking news on the vaccine front. they just provided support. now that it has, the dod says it is ready to make something it never has before official. the requirement to lay out all service members to be vaccinated soon. now with the latest on the evacuation from afghanistan, matt bradley is at the air base in germany where many people are being flown from kabul. you just saw her in that briefing. and the pentagon says they have

about 37,000 people out of afghanistan. we saw a lot of numbers, what today out to you? >> yes, tb is not a surprise. we have been hearing rumblings about that. they added additional military here. the afghans can come for processing and for a determine rare amount of time. they can come with nearly 30,000 total people. what really stick out to me is now an acknowledgment that on a case by case basis they're leaving the airport to help get americans outside of the airport get safe access to the airport

37 that is a significant change from where we were. we know there was a case on thursday where they flew to a baron hotel and got 169 people and broughting them to the airport. that seems to have happened at least one more time. we know the british and the french military had been doing that last week. they had been going out into the city and helping some of their citizens and in some cases other citizens to get safely to the airport. the security situation that has been difficult all along since the taliban moved in has gotten more worse and complicated. now the large crowds outside of the gates not only do they present a physical difficulty for people, but they plenty present a security concern. it's not clear who may be mixed

among the crowds. there could possibly be taliban, potentially al qaeda, potentially isis, and it is really changing some calculus, causing some of the military to go leave and bring people safely in. they cannot get safely through these gates. >> we saw you pressing on that question about troops leaving the airport area. we learned a lot on that. the evacuation is ramping up. the pentagon says 16,000 have been evacuated. we heard more than 6,000 evacuees have been flow to where you are. what are you seeing? >> yes, 6,000, 7,000, that's what we're hearing here. you know what is interesting is of those 6,000 or 7,000 that landed here i have spoken with them, and they're very frustrated. i wonder if they watched this

briefing and what they would say. they are so desperate for information here. they're not desperate for food or water or medical care. they don't have sanitation problems. it's not a logistical nightmare here like in kabul, it's a bureaucratic nightmare. there are some 6,000 or 7,000 here. none of them have any idea when they will be leaving. most don't know where they're going. so they're taken care of. they have medical care. they have housed. things here are okay. but they still don't have that information that they really need to round out and make themselves whole after this terrifying tortuous journey from kabul. i will give you an example of what a bottleneck this is. you mentioned there was some 7,000. there was about 36 flights that arrived here at the airbase. there has been only two flights

so far confirmed to have left. those numbers may have changed, but it goes to show a lot of the people that come here stay here for days and days and days. and again this is not a terrible place to be, not like the kabul airport. they said they were sleeping on the tarmac in the heat. there was literally surrounded by trash. laying on beds of trash. so this does not have that same urgency, but it has the same uncertainty and fear. >> i want to ask you about that other headline that we heard in the past hour. the pentagon saying they're preparing to mandate the pfizer vaccine at this point. what more can you tell us about that? >> this was in line several

weeks ago. they would make it mandatory for service members to be vaccinated. they said if one of the vaccines, like pfizer, got a full authorization then they would make that mandatory before that. so the big question going forward now is once there is a overall department of defense guidance, the services have the ability to then sort of roll out their own implementation. they can say all marines have to be vaccinated by this date or that date. so when will that happen? what is important for viewers to know is once the actual guidance comes out that doesn't mean that everyone has to be vaccinated as of that day. and we're talking active duty and guard and rep serve. that is just when they will announce their implementation plans. >> already, a lot of news in that briefing. thank you both so very much.

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we want to underscore that our efforts to move as quickly as possible has in no way sacrificed scientific standards for the integrity of our process. approving the vaccine as rapidly as possible, while ensuring a rigorous and thorough review has been our top priority. >> that was the acting fda commissioner moments ago, on approving the pfizer vaccine for adults 16 and older. she spoke to reporters while we were listening to the pentagon briefing. it's the first vaccine to cross

the hurdle and many americans said it was a barrier to them feeling comfortable getting the vaccine. will this be the thing that changes their minds? let's dive in with dr. celine gounder, infectious specialist. let's start with the big news about pfizer. the fda stressed moments ago in the briefing that the process for approval is intense, science and data will always lead the way. are you hopeful that this could be the thing that would persuade at least some of the people out there who are hesitant to get the shot to finally get the shot? >> joe, i hope and pray that today goes down in american history as a real turning point in the covid pandemic. this was an all-hands-on-deck effort at the fda to get hundreds of thousands of pages of data reviewed. they didn't do this by taking shortcuts. they took people who might be juggling multiple projects at once, told them to focus on this project, told people who were working on other drugs and vaccine approvals, had them reassigned.

this was accomplished not by any shortcut or skirting the scientific process, but rather through sheer manpower assigned to this approval. >> part of this is maybe whether it convinces individuals and whether it has an impact on employers. more vaccine news in the last hour, new york city mayor bill de blasio announced he's going to require all new york city school employees, principals, teachers, staff like custodians, they must all have at least one dose by september 27th. the first day of school is september 13th. is this something you expect to see more now ta there is approval? >> i think we're going to see more requirements for vaccinations, but i think it will play out different geographically. we've seen walmart, mcdonald's, uber require vaccinations of corporate employees but they're

providing incentives, paid time off to their frontline employees, essential workers to encourage them to get vaccinated, not mandating, and these are the people who are most likely to be public-facing and be exposed to the virus. i also think medium and small businesses, particularly those that are located in more conservative parts of the country, may fear backlash from their communities if they impose mandates. so i think this is going to be variable depending on where you live, what type of employee and what type of company. >> today's news is just about pfizer. what do folks need to know about what is on the horizon or moderna and johnson & johnson? could they get this approval soon, too? >> i think moderna and johnson & johnson are not far behind. remember that the pfizer vaccine was the first to get emergency use authorization from the fda, so they got a head start in all of the data collection, experience with the vaccine. but moderna and johnson & johnson we fully expect will follow behind them.

>> and, doctor, we want to talk about something in alabama for a second and i want to read a tragic story. the "associated press" reported, though young and healthy, unvaccinated father of three dice of covid. quote, on august 11th he died of covid-19 at a north alabama hospital. as christina tidmore witnessed it, the doctor franticly tried to resuscitate her husband. she would say i need a pulse, they would say no pulse. they were trying so hard. nobody should go through this. he's 36 and i'm 35 and we have three kids. we're hearing stories that are similar to that, young people dying because they were unvaccinated, some wishing they could get the vaccine but it's too late. will it take knowing more people, perhaps, who have had an experience like this to maybe change the hearts and minds of some people who have refused the vaccine? >> joe, i certainly hope it doesn't require a personal experience like that, because i think there have already been too many such tragedies.

but my message to younger people is that, yes, you are at risk with the delta variant we are seeing younger people getting very sick, more severe illness in younger people. so if you have not been vaccinated, please get vaccinated as soon as possible. >> that is a key message that we are hearing and we'll wait and see if this new news by the fda encourages more people to get vaccinated. even some health care workers have been hesitant. perhaps knowing there's full approval will change that. that does it for me this hour. you can always catch me on msnbc news now. "andrew mitchell reports" starts next. when our daughter and her kids moved in with us... our bargain detergent couldn't keep up. turns out it's mostly water. so, we switched back to tide. one wash, stains are gone.

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this is "andrew mitchell reports" in washington. as thousands of americans and afghan allies and foreign nationals continue to push to get into the kabul airport for flights out, a chaotic escape route that turned violent after an afghan soldier died during an exchange of gun fire today. president biden is meeting with his national security at this hour as evacuations ramp up. and on defense -- he was on

defense, rather, sunday about the criticism of the operation. >> the evacuation of thousands of people from kabul is going to be hard and painful, no matter when it started, when we began. there is no way to evacuate this many people without pain and loss of heartbreaking images you see on television. it's just a fact. >> the white house says that more than 10,000 people got out in the 24-hour period ending this morning, pushing the total evacuations up to 37,000 in the last nine days. the president is leaving open the possibility of extending the departures past his august 31st deadline, although today the taliban says that would cross their red line. >> there's discussions going on among us and the military about extending. our hope is we will not have to extend, but there are going to be discussions, i suspect, on how far along we are in the process. we've got breaking news on the effort to