and evacuating from afghanistan whether they are sivs, whether they are eligible -- >> the white house press briefing will continue there and we'll continue to monitor that for you. i'll see you tomorrow on nbc news now starting at noon eastern and back here at 3:00 p.m. "deadline white house" starts right now. hi, everyone. it is 4:00 in the east. i'm in for nicolle wallace. make no mistake the bipartisan january 6 select committee is dead serious about getting to the bottom of the capitol insurrection. the committee took its first big step in its investigation since that dramatic hearing back in july featuring four first responders. the committee issuing a sweeping request for records from the justice department to the fbi to the department of defense, all the way to the united states park service touching on practically every aspect of january 6th.

the request includes records from the trump white house relating in any way to former president trump and former vice president mike pence and in total to 30 other key figures in trump's orbit. in letters demanded from the national archives and several other agencies the committee chairman signaled an expansive investigation touching not only on what happened on january 6th but also materials that could shed light on matters such as the former president's knowledge of the election results and what he communicated to the american people about the election. the requests include information on communications within and among the white house and executive branch agencies during the leadup to january 6th and on that day as well as attempts to place politically loyal personnel in senior positions across government after the election. the committee is hoping to fill

in. a campaign that culminated in the deadly attack as congress tried to certify the election results. here is a little bit of what we know about the runup to the insurrection thanks to stellar reporting and revelations from former trump officials in the months after january 6th all of which is going to be of interest to the committee. we know trump tried to cajole the justice department into declaring the election results were corrupt going so far as to threaten to replace his own attorney general with someone who would do his bidding. we know that white house officials repeatedly asked the justice department to investigate all sorts of conspiracy theories. we know trump installed loyalists at the justice department as he ramped up claims of a rigged election. we also know there was high alarm within the highest ranks of the justice department and the department of defense over just how far trump was willing to go to overturn the election

results. today politico reporting this about the runup to the insurrection. quote, just a day before the january 6 riot the secret service warned the u.s. capitol police that their officers would face violence at the hands of supporters of former president donald trump. and that is where we begin today. joining us now betsy woodruff swann, an msnbc contributor, with us olivia troye, a top aide to mike pence, now director of the republican accountability project, and national security reporter for "the washington post." thank you all so much for getting us started. betsy, this is a very broad request for records all due in two weeks' time. how do you see this playing out? >> this is going to drive former president trump crazy. it's the kind of document that has such sweeping language and is looking to hoover up so much information that what i expect is he and his lawyers are going to say they are going to oppose it hook, line and sinker and try

to make a claim of executive privilege to keep any of these materials from going to congress. if that happens the committee could hit a major roadblock that would slow it down for a significant amount of time if they have to sue to go to court to try to exact some of these materials from the executive branch. in addition the language in this request for documents includes some lines that are likely to really frustrate the president not just because of what they're looking for but the concerns they raise. one phrase talks about looking for documents and communications related to former president trump's meantal stability and fitness for office. that's the kind of thing likely to result in the former president becoming absolutely irate and pushing back even harder against the select committee and corralling his republican allies on capitol

hill to join him in these efforts. >> devlin, i want to read how the committee described its records request. executive branch records pertaining to strategies and plans to derail the electoral college vote count, planning for and coordination of the rallies leading up to january 6th, the former president's knowledge of the election results and what he communicated to the american people about the election, potential plans to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power and challenge the validity of the elections. what are they going to find when they look through these records? >> i think what they're going to find the degree to which the president was quietly, even as he was loudly pushing publicly to challenge some of the state's election totals was quietly working behind the scenes to find allies within the government that would back up

his arguments and what he was trying to accomplish. now we know that occurred at the justice department and have seen the notes and i think there will be more to understand in terms of particulars about that. they're trying to see to what degree is there a line drawn in those efforts to january 6th, obviously a hugely important question that i think a lot of folks want the fullest answer possible. >> and who will be implicated. communications about basically everyone is covered under this request. who is going to be of interest once these documents are in their hands? >> certainly the chiefs of staffs in understanding what communication happened between the president's staff and vice president's staff while the vice

president sitting in the capitol under threat by his own president, i would say. also just what did and didn't happen, what were they seeing and what were they doing in the time line leading up to it. while this is happening at the capitol, while people are getting hurt and attacked, what are these messages say and what is the direction for response? is there a response? talking to dod, what are they saying at this moment? are they upset, appalled, or is it complete dereliction of duty where they're hands off and will let it happen because it just amplifies. >> this favors the trump world. the committee seeking communications between the white house and gop state officials, folks like brian kemp, arizona governor ducey, all key figures, of course, in trump's pressure campaign.

walk us through their roles. >> right. at the same time the president is pushing officials in the justice department and elsewhere to support his claims of fraud in the election he's also making similar pushes on state officials, georgia being the one we know the most about because we've heard that phone call and other phone calls. a lot of this is to underline what the president's state of awareness but what he was doing and trying to get people to do for him. people were saying no to the president but the committee will be very interested in the degree to which anyone said yes to what the president was trying to do. >> betsy, to the point about those phone calls, the committee is asking for communications with georgia's secretary of state. just to remind our audience just a trip down memory lane i want to play a little bit of that phone call. take a listen.

>> the ballots are corrupt and they're brand-new and they don't have seals, and there's a whole thing with the ballots. but the ballots are corrupt, and you are going to find that they are -- which is totally illegal -- it is more illegal for you than it is for them because you know what they did and you're not reporting it. that's a criminal offense. and you can't let that happen. that's a big risk to you and to ryan, your lawyer. that's a big risk. >> betsy, i can't tell you how many times i have listened to that audio and it shocks me anew each time he tried to brought beat and threaten him. >> the questions are if there were any other efforts by the part of senior trump administration officials to push for other state lifl officials to get onboard with the president's efforts. one of the most stunning

documents that have been released over the last several weeks is a draft letter that a top official jeffrey clark wanted to send to georgia as well as to multiple other states telling them falsely that the justice department had found evidence of significant voter fraud in their states and calling on those state legislators to take steps to overturn their own elections. the fact that a very senior doj official was willing to put the u.s. department of justice on a lie and it was only a few other officials at the same level that he was who stopped is to him from happening goes to highlight just how close the federal government came, the trump administration came, to taking a situation that was already volatile and on the cusp of becoming violent and making it significantly worse. so that's a big question when we look at this georgia phone call. were there other official who is

were participating in his effort to try to encourage the georgia lawmakers and leaders to overturn their probe and how exactly did this all play out and why didn't it, fortunately for the country, go farther. >> betsy, i want to get to your warning to the police before january 6th. here is the email to capitol police. per our denver field office a concerned citizen reported that, redacted, were flying into bwi today to attend tomorrow's rally and incite violence. in addition the sort reports that, redacted, previously made threats against president-elect biden. the source reported that, redacted, was driving to d.c. with gear and weapons to include ballistic helmets and suppressors. the helmet gave specifics about motives. the subjects claim they are in the area to protest election fraud, support president trump.

do we know what happened after the capitol police got this email? >> the capitol police told us this morning that they took it seriously. they got pictures of the people suspected to be traveling to washington for the stop the steal rally and encourage their officers to be on the lookout for those individuals. of course the problem with the way they responded and with the way the establishment responded they weren't able to see this as part of a trend. they've treated this like it was an isolated incident rather than part of a national, quote/unquote, movement, but part of a national uprising against the federal government. additionally in another secret service email we obtained the secret service charted out posts from parlor users who were

explicitly about violently attacking police officers working in washington, d.c. this isn't the kind of thing anyone who had seen these materials thought was a bunch of isolated incidents. this was available to top security and law enforcement officials. but for some reason, we need to know why, it's very important to know why, for some reason the officials whose job it was to take a soda straw view and broaden it in order to keep the country safe, those officials failed. the result was the attack on january 6th. they showed the information they had but failed to sufficiently act on. >> olivia, there is, of course, an incredible appetite for accountability coming out of these investigations. i think we're also going to see recommendations on improving security, on improving intelligence. how critical are those

recommendations? >> i think they're significant with the rise of domestic terrorism threats across the country and what we're seeing here. you've seen the advisory from dhs. these are questions that are going to need to be identified and answered and there's going to be gaps in the system that we can help identify and work towards in terms of national security and addressing them. it will be hard questions, hard questions on social media and how do you act upon a threat and why going back to the question of why didn't they act on this information that was all over, readily available, and did the system fail and why? i think it will be some first amendment questions, some debates. i think all of this is important. exactly why things like the 9/11 commission were so critical after 9/11 and helped them figure out where the gaps were

in the process. i am hopeful this generates the investigation. >> devlin, i have about one minute left but i want to give you the last word. >> yeah, i think olivia is right. one of the things the fbi and other agencies will have to grapple with, and they've started, how do you distinguish noise on the internet from threats? because what you see by evidence to betsy's reporting and our reporting there's a lot of noise coming in. the decision makers don't ultimately believe it. and that is a decision that proved to have severe consequences. that's what they will to grapple with. >> thank you all so much for starting us off. when we come back, the mission in afghanistan, u.s. military continuing to try and wind down our presence there over the next several days. evacuations are exceeding

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just days left for the u.s. mission in afghanistan to get americans and afghan allies out while bringing an end to the fearly 20-year presence of american troops in the country. the drawdown has already begun, at least 300 marines have already left the country even as the evacuations continue at a furious pace. 19,000 people have been evacuated in the past 24 hours. while that is far more than the 9,000 a day the pentagon initially said they could manage it is not clear how many americans are still left in afghanistan. not to mention the thousands of afghans who played crucial roles in supporting the american war effort. violence and retaliation from the taliban. the administration today giving us an update on the amount of americans safely evacuated from afghanistan and how many may still remain. secretary of state tony blinken. >> based on our analysis starting on august 14 when our

evacuation operations began there was a population of as many as 6,000 american citizens in afghanistan who wanted to leave. over the last ten days roughly, 4,500 of these americans have been safely evacuated along with immediate family members. over the past 24 hours, we've been in direct contact with approximately 500 additional americans and provided specific instructions on how to get to the airport safely. for the remaining roughly 1,000 contacts that we had who may be americans seeking to leave afghanistan we are reaching out to them multiple times a day through multiple channels of communication, phone, email, text messaging, to determine if they still want to leave and to get the most up to date information and instructions to them for how to do so. some may no longer be in the country. some may have claimed to be

americans but turned out not to be. some may choose to stay. we'll continue to try to identify the status and plans of these people in the coming days. >> a sense of how complicate this had really is and that comes after urgent pleas from congress to do whatever it takes to get people out, even if that means blowing past the august 31st deadline. "the washington post" reporting house lawmakers tuesday urged the secretaries of state and defense, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and the director of national intelligence to appeal to president biden to reconsider plans to stick with august 31st for the u.s. withdrawal from afghanistan if more americans and afghans eligible for extraction are still on the ground. republicans and democrats agreed that if there are still american citizens left in afghanistan trying to escape, the united states should not stick to the deadline regardless of the risk involved in staying. in the midst of what is turning out to be a herculean effort currently under way, two

congressmen making an unauthorized and controversial trip to kabul in a joined statement the two say after talking with commanders on the ground today and seeing the situation for ourselves it is obvious because we started the evacuation so late no matter what we do we won't get everyone out on time even by 9/11. the trip is drawing significant blowback back here at home, speaker pelosi warning her caucus against following in their footsteps. >> the resources necessary to facilitate their visit and to protect them was an opportunity cost of what we needed to do to be evacuating as many people as possible. the point is that we don't want anybody to think this was a good idea and they should try to follow suit. it was not, in my view, a good idea. >> ben rhodes, former deputy national security adviser to president obama and evelyn farcas, former deputy assistant secretary of defense for russia,

ukraine and you are generous enough to share part of what you shared with them. you write i'm afraid if you don't extend the date the political blowback will be worse than it already is. we should be able to deter the taliban given our military power and the carrots you have been speaking about, namely the money. i know it's a tough call to make but you would counsel standing up to the taliban. explain what that confrontation would look like and why you believe it would be worthwhile? >> obviously the administration is in a real bind here. they're working overtime to try to get as many americans out and then, of course, afghan allies. they have to weigh the risks and they are getting real intelligence that either the taliban or other assets, i think it's isis-affiliated groups are

ready, willing, and able to attack at a level that's alarming. i don't have access to that intelligence and i don't want to guess about it on national television, but it's something they have to balance. we have the commitment to our citizens and afghan who is have worked with us, many of who have paperwork, many americans such as myself, civilians, but a lot of our veterans and ngos have been trying to help the u.s. government get some of these afghans out and it's just, frankly speaking, a mess on the ground, and so my advice is to try to push back on the taliban with the preponderance of military power to use our power as well as the carrots that we can offer which is, of course, the assistance that they would like from the international community and from the united states. to tell the taliban that whether you like it or not we're going

to do this for several more days. we had an air bridge during communism to berlin that we didn't ask the soviet union for permission. if we have the will, we can push back. the administration has to be willing to take risk and there is risk to u.s. personnel. >> isis poses an acute threat to america's evacuation mission. can you help us understand how and why that is? >> i think there are two risks here when it comes to isis. the first is that you could have an attack on people trying to get into the airport which would lead to not only a tragic loss of lice potentially but further chaos in what is a difficult situation. the other risk is all manner of groups including isis affiliates may want to be perceived as shooting at the united states on the way out to gain the prestige of them shooting at us on the

way out. i think, though, evelyn is right. you have to think of this as literally saving lives. people who could be killed if they stay behind. afghans, americans, the only time to get them out is right now with the presence on the ground. as soon as we're gone, the window is shut, closed, on these people and they're left with the choice of whether they try to get to the border of pakistan or iran. this is the only window we have to make good the promises we made, and of course american citizens over there. look, it's a difficult and challenging set of circumstances but, again, i think once we're gone, we're gone. and those people don't have the life line they currently have. >> just to underscore how complicate this had is according to "the new york times" it's not entirely clear how many people

still need to be evacuated. u.s. officials believe thousands of americans remain in afghanistan including some far beyond kabul without a safe or fast way to get to the airport. they are eligible for special visas are desperate to leave. and refugee and resettlement experts estimate that at least 300,000 are in imminent danger of being targeted in u.s. efforts to stabilize afghanistan. is it possible to get this many people out? it seems we don't exactly know the number of people who need to be flown out? >> given this artificial deadline of the 31st, i'm told they're not taking more people on the airport grounds, that all the gates are closed. i'm hearing that real time. if that's the case we don't have any more time. i think the reality is that, sadly, we will not be able to

take everyone who has the right to come out. american citizens will be left behind. some are having problems with their paperwork which are crazy and many are beyond kabul. we will not be able to take out all the afghans qualified. it's a reality now. i will double down on what i said earlier and agree with ben. i think now is the time. we have to use the window we have now to get as many people out. it's important and i want to underscore to americans, to american veterans, ngo people, i think widely speaking across-the-board the american public felt, including ngos who worked in afghanistan, it was time to leave. that's not the issue. the issue is how we left and people want to get as many people out as possible and i think if the administration can find a way to push the envelope beyond the 31st and get more people out, of course it's not going to get everyone out but it will go a long way to helping alleviate the crisis of

confidence and moral anguish of people right now. >> i want to get your take on the two members of congress taking this trip to kabul. >> well, look, i completely understand the frustration of people in the administration and speaker pelosi inserting yourself in an evacuation system is not constructive. i do think we have to look at this, though, and recognize these are two veterans and there's real anguish in the community over the fate of afghans who worked with them, who literally saved their lives. again, i would echo the advice that flying into a complicated and fraught evacuation is not the most constructive use of a member of congress' time right now. i also think we should take the extremes they went to as a signal of the point of view of a lot of post-9/11 veterans we were just talking about we have to do everything we can to get as many of these people out

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for the pfizer and moderna vaccines johnson & johnson announced they also plan to give data to the fda showing that a booster shot for its vaccine dramatically increases antibodies against the virus eight months after the first dose. the hurdle facing the administration and the country still remains. people's hesitancy to get vaccinated as the delta variant spreads. new infections are up 12% and hospitals are becoming overwhelmed. 77% of america's icu beds are in use with states like alabama and arkansas officially out of icu beds. americans and towns hit the hardest are waking up to front page stories like this. showing their neighbors dying. family members begging others in the community to get their shot. let's bring in a critical care anesthesiologist from the university of virginia. dr. hilton, always good to see you.

i want to talk about johnson and&johnson. johnson & johnson tracked 17 volunteers from last year's clinical trial. six months after vaccination their level of antibodies had changed little. that's different than the pattern with the moderna and pfizer vaccines. those shots produced higher levels of antibodies but their levels drop over several months. when volunteers in the trial were given a booster shot at six months, their antibodies against the coronavirus jumped nine times higher than after the first dose. studies and moderna and pfizer found a comparable jump. i am not a doctor. you are. help me understand what that all means in practice. >> i think it's one of those things in the medical field, we were not surprised to see if you get a booster that we should see a jump in antibodies. and it can't come at a better time. covid-19 and the delta variant is not only taking over the

south but you mentioned alabama was out of icus and idaho is, too. how do we get ahead of this? by trying to, again, mitigate the spread through vaccination, wearing our mask and trying not to make not only a local containment but a global containment. even giving boosters across the globe will greatly help us to get ahead of covid-19. >> so tell me, i read a lot about this and i still don't quite understand this, does this tell us anything about how effective the vaccine or the booster is against delta? >> the vaccines do work. we didn't say it was down to zero but the effectiveness has proven itself over the course for the majority of persons keep you out of icu, keep you from dying, keeping you alive for your family to be able to celebrate the holidays in the next coming months. what we do know is a vaccine series where you have to get one, two, three doses before you

are truly immune, right? we know this prior to. and we expected this to be the same thing and maybe our messaging wasn't as great, but we told people on the way we are tracking those persons in the clinical trial to see when we may need to do a third dose. guess what? the third dose time is now here and we're saying eight months past your second dose is when you need to be considered for a third for the mrna vaccines and even for johnson & johnson eight months after that dose get your booster shot. >> there is something very clear and you have said this often which is that time is of the essence. dr. matthew harris, at northwell health, new york's largest hospital system, told "the new york times" i think we're running out of second chances. what keeps me up at night is the inevitability of a variant not responsive to the vaccine. if this is how we stay ahead of it, i support it. the longer the virus has to

mutate the more challenging the fight becomes. to this doctor's point are we running out of second chances? >> we are. i feel the same fear and it's not -- what we have to remember with this pandemic, again, what i've said, we have to think not only locally, what's happening on your street and in your zip code but nationally and globally. and we are doing a fail europe of a job at rolling out vaccines globally. the poorest countries are being left out of this vaccination program and what happens when you don't vaccinate people, the entire continent of africa, less than 3% fully vaccinated. what we have the potential to do is create like in india the delta variant and what would that mean? that takes all the hard work that we've done with the vaccines and puts us back starting at square one. we don't know. so the best thing that we can do for now in the united states of america for one is to get vaccinated. two, wear our mask.

three, try to really work with other nations to say how do we approach this in a global plan to vaccinate as many people, not citizens. it does not matter what your nationality is. we need to vaccinate people so we can be safer together. >> i do quickly want to bring you in on this story from the ap. it writes in georgia where in-person classes are on hold in more than 20 districts that started the school year without mask requirements some superintendents say the virus appeared to be spreading in schools before they sent students home. more than one of every 100 school-aged children has tested positive for covid-19 in the past two weeks in georgia. that is devastating, dr. hilton. does it speak to the need for these mask mandates? >> it speaks greatly and it's not only georgia. in tennessee one in every three is a child. you look at florida, 12,000 students and about 3,000 employees have now tested positive in just 15 of their

largest school districts with another 30,000 quarantined. you can look at mississippi. they have quarantined over 20,000 with 6,000 kids being positive and thirteen deaths are rising. and when we are mentioning these numbers, i think we have to remember we're talking about people. we're talking about kids, mikaila robison, an eighth grader, died just days after school started. her life meant something. if we look at the cases now versus 2020 when we started schools we had 30 times more student cases now that are positive. we have six times more teachers that are popping up positive. 12 times more students quarantined in mississippi right now compared to when they were in 2020 of august and the difference between then and now is simply a mask. we know that right now if we're looking nationwide only 13% of those kids under 18 are actually vaccinated. so that shows you the power of masks, and we need to get to those basic public health

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the supreme court has blocked an attempt by the biden administration to end the controversial remain in mexico policy. the policy enacted by the trump administration requires asylum seekers arriving at the southwest border to stay in mexico until the request is approved. the supreme court's conservative majority agreed with the lower court's ruling that the biden administration failed to provide an adequate reason for ending the policy writing in a short unsigned order that the administration, quote, failed to show a likelihood of success on the claim of the protection protocols was not arbitrary and capricious. all three liberal justices said they disagree with the ruling. it will be heard by an appeals court. law professor from georgetown university and the founder and director of the justice action center. let's talk about the legal implications. a dramatic departure from handling foreign policy

decisions. people smarter than me have argue this had could blow up decades of u.s. diplomacy. what do you make of this decision? >> procedurally isn't unfamiliar to me. when i was in the government we did file such requests with the supreme court. it was rare and the request here was an emergency request to the supreme court to let the biden policy take effect. and what the supreme court said is, no, first you have to litigate this in the lower courts before coming to us. the policy was simple. it said if you're someone from, say, south america and filed your asylum claim and you traveled to mexico to file it, you have to stay in mexico. you couldn't come to the united states while your application was being processed. and president biden came in and said that's a humanitarian disaster. there are reports of people who were kidnapped in mexico while waiting. reports of rape, all sorts of stuff. that's why he suspended the program. what the supreme court said is,

well, you can't suspend the program yet. you have to go through and litigate in the lower courts whether or not you can suspend it. broadening it out, there's a legal piece and a humanitarian piece. legally what this underscoring is not just immigration but more generally underscores the supreme court has the potential to be a big thorn in joe biden's side. there's the eviction moratorium case in the supreme court and much to come. the political left has been good at agitating but not so good at persuading and will have to persuade the supreme court over the next year if you want the biden agenda to continue. and then on the humanitarian side this is an atrocious policy cooked up by steven miller back in the trump administration and it forces people to be raped and kidnapped and the image of the united states is under tremendous assault as a result of such crazy policies. and my message for the administration is, look, we've

taken years, there's no excuse for that. let's speed up what's happening with people at the border and process claims faster. it can at least mitigate some of the damage from yesterday's decision. >> i want you to talk about two things, talk about both what this means practically for the biden administration because as i understand it this will require concurrence from mexico and then, of course, the piece that neal is right to highlight this is a humanitarian crisis. this was morally reprehensible policy. what happens to these asylum seekers? >> absolutely. thank you. great to be here. it is so important to say what does this really mean? and i want to be clear. this isn't just about immigration. if we need to look at this court case -- if you're a progressive and care about reproductive rights and trans rights, what is happening is a red state strategy to undue all of the

biden administration progressive agenda and it's coming up against a court system that may be ready to do some of its bedding. we need to be making noise now, not just those who have seen th close, but all progressives need to be standing behind this. what does this mean for real people? i'm so glad that you asked that. there is chaos and confusion right now in terms of what will this mean and what is the biden administration going to do to ensure that we have a truly welcoming system that is not expelling asylum seekers, that is not sending them back into some 2.0 acceptable version of remain in mexico where folks will be kidnapped and raped and killed. and here's what i really want to say. we need to understand that one of the key laws that the texas decision relies upon is a 1996 law that has racist origins. so that mandatory detention law was not designed to come after

my white immigrant mother. it was designed to lock out people from latin america. so until we get about the business of looking at the fact that our immigration system has as its feature being racist, that it's not a flaw, it's a feature, we can't expect to have a truly equitable system. that's what we need to address. >> neal, to the legal piece of this, it's been widely remarked upon that the court showed great deference to the trump administration when it came to emergency matters, something that the acting solicitor general even pointed out in his brief to the court. how is this not a double standard on the part of these conservative justices. >> it's a deep worry because i think the biden administration's filing on that was really, really powerful. you know, this law has been around since 1996. not a single administration has ever agreed with the way this texas judge read it, not even the trump administration actually agreed with that

interpretation of the law. and so it's a real outlandish one. i do think the question that you're raising, that karen is raising, is a really deep one, which is this court is quite conservative and it's going to be facing abortion and affirmative action in the next year. and the question is, you know, if you said one set of rules apply last administration, aren't you going to say the same thing this time? and the chief justice's opinion a couple of years ago in the daca case i think is the attempt by the conservatives to say, oh, no, we're being consistent. we said no to president trump in daca and now we're saying no to president biden here. of course i think the cases are different for reasons that we don't have time to get into, but i think this consistency point is an important one to highlight. >> neal katyal, karen tumlin, thank you so much. actual consequences for a lie told to thousands, mainly african-americans, in the swing state of michigan hoping to scare them out of voting last

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altar of voter suppression will fail. those who worship at the altar of jim crow-like oppression will fail. those who worship at the altar of turning back the clock to make america hate again will fail. we're not going backward. the john robert lewis voting rights advancement act will become law. and when it's all said and done, democracy will prevail and good trouble will win the day. >> hallelujah. hi, everyone, it's 5:00 in the east. i'm jason johnson in for nicolle wallace. last night the house passed the john lewis voting rights advancement act or hr-4. one of the key aspects of the democratic-led fight to secure the vote for all americans. a necessity battle being waged in republican legislatures all across the country to suppress the vote and rig the system in their favor, all premised on the

ex-president's big lie. the legislation which would require states with recent histories, all of them, of discrimination to get federal reclearance before changing voting rights laws is necessary according to house speaker nancy pelosi. quote, congress has not only an ironclad constitutional mandate but a moral responsibility to enact hr-4. that moral responsibility is apparently not felt amongst republicans. not a single gop lawmaker voted for the bill. just like the vote in march on the for the people act, which we know is currently stalled in the u.s. senate. it looks like the john lewis voting rights act is likely to meet the same fate. without removing or reforming the filibuster, both of these bills that protect voting rights and expand access to the ballot box are unable to pass without republican support since they failed to meet the 60-vote threshold. calls to eliminate the filibuster were reignited after

the john lewis voting rights act was passed. federal legislation remains at an impasse. on the state level republicans are spouting the big lie and attempting to undermine the 2020 election results despite finding zero evidence of widespread fraud. "the new york times" reports on the latest coming out of pennsylvania. quote, the top republican in the pennsylvania state senate promised this week to carry out a broad review of the 2020 election results, a move that comes as gop lawmakers continue to sow doubt about the contest's legitimacy by pushing to reexpect votes in battleground states like arizona. pennsylvania senator pro tem jack corman said that he wanted to begin almost immediately and that hearings would begin this week. he added that he expected to use the full power of the state's general assembly, including subpoenas, to conduct the review, which he has referred to as a forensic investigation. meanwhile the so-called forensic investigation currently under way, the sham audit in arizona's maricopa county has been

delayed. "the washington post" writes the report detailing the conclusion of a gop-backed review of ballots cast last year in arizona has been delayed after the chief executive of the company conducting pt widely pilloried audit and two members of his team tested positive for coronavirus. joining us is nick corsenetti. also the ceo of the new georgia project and new georgia action fund and congressman joe neguse, vice chair of the congressional progressive caucus. congressman, we'll start with you. i know that last night must have been an incredible moment. the passage of hr-4. just tell me a little bit about what it took to get this bill to pass with just absolutely no

republican votes but to have the entire democratic side vote consistently? >> well, you're right, jason. yesterday was a historic day and an exciting day. we took a giant step forward in terms of combatting voter suppression tactics that are pervasive across the united states as you articulated. it is confounding as you said the fact that no republican voted for it. as you know, and i'm sure the panelists are aware, prior reauthorizations of the voting rights act were a bipartisan exercise. the last time it was done so on a bipartisan basis. president george w. bush signed the legislation into law back in 2005. so to see the republican caucus today, yesterday, being unwilling even a single one of them to stand up and vote to protect and secure the right to vote is obviously deeply disappointing but it's not all that surprising given that we

are now witnessing the most coordinated state level effort in generations to restrict the right to vote. >> so, congressman, what's the next step? this is going to go to the senate and we can talk about negotiations and back room deals. but basically this all boils down to the filibuster. what are the chances for the john lewis voting rights act to get anywhere? and where are your colleagues in the senate right now on the filibuster, either reform or elimination? >> i'm reasonably confident that we will see progress in the united states senate. i don't say that lightly. i mean i just -- to go back to your prior question, we had an exhaustive process in the house to get us to where we were last night in terms of the various hearings that were held by the judiciary committee, the subcommittee on the constitution and civil rights, fact finding done by the house administration committee ultimately culminating in the john lewis voting rights act that the house passed. but as you said all eyes are on the united states senate and ultimately the question is whether we will allow a relic

like the filibuster to curtail and prevent citizens from being able to exercise their fundamental right to vote, a right that is sacrosanct and so fundamental under our constitution. i think public opinion has shifted dramatically over the course of the last several months in part due for the shenanigans in arizona and the various efforts bipartisan legislatures across our country to restrict the right to vote. ultimately we shouldn't assume that the senate is impervious to public opinion and that it won't be responsive to that. i think it's time for the senate to eliminate the filibuster or have a constitutional carve-out along the lines of what whip clyburn has suggested so the fundamental right to vote is protected and we can send hr-4 to the president's desk for his signature. >> that would be the best option. nse, i want to take this to you. there is a quote from slate about the significance of this bill. this is important because to me one of the questions that always happens is even if the for the people act or john lewis voting

rights get passed, what if the courts undermine it. house democrats just got serious about reining in the supreme court. it repeals the court's own rules for deciding election-related cases replacing it to voter-friendly directives that would force the justices to safeguard equal suffrage. talk a little bit about the significance of having a law that congress just passed, because congress can determine the jurisdiction of courts. talk about the significance of a law like that in a state like georgia where even if you get legislation passed you always have to worry about the state or local judges undermining it. >> it is always the case in a system of federalism like the one that we have where we are looking for the venue that will most allow us to protect the fundamental sacred right to vote. and so in this particular instance where the courts have demonstrated a lack of willingness to be bold and

aggressive in the defense of the right to vote, that congress has chosen to step up in this particular way. that's not uncommon, that's not unique. there have been times in our country's history where that protection for the rights of minorities have come from the executive branch, et cetera. so federal government 101 for all of us that people will venue shop, people will forum shop. and looking for the path towards the most robust, most full-throated protection of the fundamental sacred right to vote, and i don't see a problem with it. it seems like the necessary and prudent approach in this moment, given the lack of willingness on the part of republicans to do anything about the attacks on our vote, to do anything about the attacks on our elections and to not even hide the fact that

in this moment, they are acknowledging essentially that they are ideologically bankrupt. they don't think they can win elections unless they cheat, which is why they are so lock-step and 100% in support of this anti-voting, unpatriotic, anti-american agenda. >> you know, nse, of course the republicans aren't going to stand up for voting rights because they're in the process of trying to take them. that's what they're concerned about. that takes me to nick. nick, you've done some great reporting out of pennsylvania. what are we seeing right now in pennsylvania from republicans in state legislature? they are trying to come up with a new audit. they're trying to break down the vote again. they're trying to go through every single nook and cranny. what's the real situation in pennsylvania right now? >> well, what we're seeing in pennsylvania could very well be or end up kind of like what we're seeing in arizona right now. so pennsylvania is a state that wasn't nearly as close. i think biden carried it by more than 80,000 votes.

but what a couple of more right-wing state senators there, including doug mastriano have been very focused on bringing a forensics review. a few weeks ago he sent letters to three counties asking them for election machines, ballot records and voting records and trying to do his own version of an audit there. now, those counties didn't have to comply. they refused to. philadelphia said it would cost them $35 million to comply with those requests and it would expose some of these voting machines to either an uncredentialed or unknown vendor who would be conducting this. so after all of that and after the secretary of state or the acting secretary of state in pennsylvania discouraged those counties from participating, senator mastriano was removed from his position. and now the top republican in the senate said that he too now backs this audit. and that was a big step because that means that it will happen.

so hearings are going to begin this week in the state senate. what we don't know is the scope of this. we don't know who will be conducting it. we don't know what counties they're going to look at. but the one thing when i reached out to senator corman's office, they did confirm that they will leave this open-ended. this will go on as long as they see fit. the exact quote was we will not put a hard cap on this and they said they would follow the investigation and whatever information comes out of that as far as it goes. so what we kind of see is the potential for one of these long-winded and partisan and probably problematic in terms of its process audits, forensic audits, even though they're really not an audit. we'll call them a partisan election review. what happened in arizona and a few other states now might be moving to pennsylvania. >> congressman neguse, i want to talk about the overall impact. we know that these audits can be

basically initiated by any private group, any person from the outside. what is the damage of these audits? first off, we know they're not going to come up with anything and cost a lot of money. but psychologically and at the core of our democracy, what is the damage of republicans constantly taking up government time to question results of an election that happened eight months ago. >> we saw the logical extension of that in what happened on january 6th. the insurrection that took place, attempted insurrection on our nation's capitol. the perpetuation of the big lie that has metastasized i think should concern each and every american. these efforts ultimately are geared towards undermining one of the core tenets of our democracy, of our republic, which is the peaceful transfer of power, which as i said was front and center on january 6th and the events on that terrible

day. obviously, look, it is deeply concerning. i think the developments in pennsylvania as they were just described are something that should shock the conscience of every american. >> nse, you know, "the washington post" just reported that the arizona ballot review is being delayed because the cyber ninjas, who are doing the audit, all caught covid. i thought ninjas were a lot sneakier than that. apparently they can't escape a virus. but your thoughts, above and beyond the glib idea that these right-wingers who have denied covid and denied an election are now being taken down by one of those things, what in your perspective is the significance of this? at the state level these kinds of audits can breed all sorts of local problems. what do you think about the fact that it's only been delayed because of a virus, not because people in arizona have said this is ridiculous? >> well, i think that we should all be concerned that these kinds of -- this is a result of a disinformation campaign, right? that people are intentionally poisoning the well and

intentionally trying to get people to question the results of the elections. we saw the same thing in our home state of georgia. there have been, what, three, four taxpayer-funded recounts that have yielded the same results, right? and so the idea that there are questions about the integrity of the election, the irony of it is that these nonsense fraudits, which is what they are, these nonsense audits, are in fact causing people to question the integrity of our election system because they keep repeating the lie over and over again despite the fact that there is zero evidence. it's becoming more and more difficult to take these folks at face value, that instead of them being the minority party or the opposition party engaging in an ideological battle of ideas, it's the republican crime syndicate that is trying to basically brute force -- use brute force to destroy our

elections infrastructure so that they get to hang on to power because they noted in a marketplace of ideas fewer and fewer people are buying what they're selling. the only way for them to continue to hold on to power is if they take a sledgehammer to our elections infrastructure, and that's what we are witnessing right now. we cannot pretend like that's not what we're seeing, that they have no legitimate argument. and i'm talking about going back to when president trump -- former president trump was elected in 2017, when he had this fraudulent election commission review that disbanded a few months later, all the way up until current -- to present day. that it hasn't been about ideas, it hasn't been about policies, it hasn't been about laws, it's been about power. >> and who has it. i want to point out in the midst of all these dangerous things and terrible things happening at the state level, we actually have some good news when it

comes to voting rights. we can talk about first north carolina, which the state courts just passed -- or just ruled that 56,000 formerly incarcerated people will actually be able to participate in the franchise. i think this is an incredible move. i want to read this quote here real quote and, nick, get your thoughts. the voting rights law that was struck down on monday was enacted in 1877. it was extending disenfranchisement of the law struck down on monday. people convicted of felonies in response to the 15th amendment which enshrined black voting in the constitution. basically what you had was a law that was passed in north carolina that said anybody who got convicted of something, you can't vote. and then of course black people got convicted of everything. you had whole towns of black people that were whipped en masse by politicians and then accused of crimes in order to prevent them from voting. that has finally been overturned. nick, what are your thoughts about that? do you see that as an example that maybe even in swing states

or red states that the courts can end up saving voting rights? >> well, i think it's one example where the courts have stepped in and expanded the right to vote. we did see examples of this during the 2020 election. there were numerous times courts stepped in and said, no, we need to protect mail-in voting and drop boxes. votes that had already been cast legally under new guidelines were protected. so courts have been a major venue to protect voting rights pretty much since the passage of the voting rights act initially and could very well again after it faces a steep way of passage in the senate, the john lewis voting rights advancement act. but there's always been another attempt at limiting former people who were convicted of felonies, giving them the right to vote. if you look at florida, voters overwhelmingly supported that in a ballot initiative. and it passed. and it was set to be put into

law and then officials in florida said that all of those formerly incarcerated people that were convicted of felonies had to pay off those debts. they would have been basically impossible to pay so they found new ways to work around what the people had said and what they had voted for to put into law. so this has long been something i think very popular in the country. you can see more and more states look to move towards this and give more people the right to vote. give formerly incarcerated individuals and people convicted of felonies and served their time, i think we'll start to see that in more states. new york also passed that. so i think this is a good sign and one of the ways in which voting rights will continue to be expanded in the coming years. >> congressman, neguse, i want to close with this. because you were part of the process of passing the john lewis voting rights act through the house, what is the timeline? because i think one of the things people are concerned about, whether you're in

pennsylvania, in georgia, in texas, that if these laws make it to the senate, will they make it through too late to make a difference in 2022? if you were going to be overly optimistic, are we going to see these bills pass through the senate before the end of 2021? will they pass in the spring of 2022? what would be your best guess as to the passage timeline of these two important pieces of legislation? >> i certainly hope that they will pass in short order, but it's hard for me to predict that honestly. i agree with nick with respect to the development in north carolina and the fact that in that particular instance the court i think ruled in favor of ultimately expanding the franchise. but the reality is congress has to get in the game. congress has to be in the driver's seat. there's a reason we have a voting rights act. when we think about all of the various gains made over the course of the last 60-plus years since the enactment of that bill, it's clear that in the absence of congress legislating,

that state legislatures left to their own devices and in particular in deeply partisan state legislatures will work to curb the right to vote, that sacred franchise. i am hopeful that the senate will take this on an expedited basis. i suspect that they understand the urgency, as we did in the house, which is why we expeditiously passed hr-1 so early in the year and ultimately after doing the requisite fact finding that we believed was necessary under the supreme court's 2013 ruling, that we passed the john lewis voting rights advancement act in short order last night. ultimately time will tell. but i am praying that the senate will take this seriously and take it up quickly and understands the gravity of the course that we're on. >> nick, nse and congressman joe neguse, thank you all for starting us off this hour. after the break, the massive new records request by the january 6th select committee, specifically ensnaring communications between donald trump's white house and some of

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records from multiple federal agencies relating to the maga-inspired terrorist attack on january 6th, including the department of defense, department of homeland security, the department of justice, federal bureau of investigation, national counterterrorism center, office of the director of national intelligence as well as the national archives, which has legal custody of all the presidential records from former president donald trump's time in office. in particular, the committee asked the national archives for all documents and communications within the white house, involving a host of trump world denisons, including hope hicks, robert o'brien, trump advisor peter navarro, kayleigh mcenany. all trump's adult children except tiffany trump. rudy giuliani and roger stone. the records request also asked the national archives for communication within the white house with any members of congress or congressional staff. select committee chairman bennie

thompson has previously said he is seeking to obtain phone records of members of congress related to the january 6th investigation. let's bring in clint watts, former fbi consultant to the fbi, counterterrorism division, now a distinguished research fellow at the foreign policy research institute and an msnbc national security analyst and eugene daniels, white house correspondent for politico, playbook, co-author as well as an msnbc contributor. guys, this is massive. this is massive. eugene, i'm just going to start with this. i saw the list of what was requested. it was like filling out an eharmony application. it was everything. have you ever seen a congressional committee ask for this much information from the white house? is this normal or are we really seeing something unprecedented here? >> i mean it would be hard to find another investigation like this one, you know, with so much politics, so much danger that happened on january 6th and all of the implications, especially

with how much president trump is responsible for, right? and so this is something that feels, at least to those of us watching who have watched things like this happen before, something new, something different, and more importantly something that is expansive, right? something that we -- you listed all of those people on that list and it is -- that is not -- that's just the beginning, right? they have just started. they have had one hearing, but they have just started. they haven't fully staffed up here yet. and so it's not clear how long this is going to take or how many people they are going to look for to get information from, including former president trump. those are the kinds of things that we are expecting to hear. one of the interesting aspects of this is this may go into the midterm year, right? you don't have a lot of months left for that to happen. bennie thompson said that he doesn't want that to be the case but depending on the complexity of the information that they get and more importantly is how they slow walk it.

because something that happened during the trump years was that they -- when congress asked for something, they would slow walk it. so how quickly they get this information is also going to tell us how long this investigation is going to go on. >> clint, this is the thing that i have been curious about since january 6th. people mention it, it kind of comes up in public and comes back. the fact that i -- that there is credible speculation and belief that there are members of congress who may have been complicit in providing information to the people who eventually attacked our capitol, when you hear this list of people whose information is being requested, do you think that is a sign that the committee is starting to circularly sort of hone in on members of congress, or do you think this is just casting a wide net at the beginning before they get more specific? >> as of right now, i would guess it's just casting a wide net, but there's really three polls that i think we should look at which could be extremely damaging for everyone, right?

one is the records related to congress and their communications with the white house. the second one is all the white house internal communications with anything that was in the "stop the steal" rallies that happened all the way up to january 6th and particularly the light before and was there any organization there. and the third one is any interactions between the white house and the department of justice. the department of justice, which is really supposed to be in charge on january 6th. they were supposed to be leading the federal defense of the capitol. what was going on there in terms of the breakdowns. i think when you take those three poles and start looking at all of the records that are coming in, the biggest one that's going to really be damaging is how many fbi investigations and the people that were involved on january 6th overlapped with communications that are in those congressional records. when those two come together and i assume that it's highly likely that they will, you're going to have a major investigation. this could lead to criminal charges down the road, depending

on what the substantive nature was of those communications. >> clint, when it comes to the department of justice, you've got mark meadows and rudy giuliani. do you think there is something to this? do you think part of this investigation is taking a look into whether or not there were attempts to invoke the 25th amendment? because that, i think, plays another role in how we might have seen what happened on january 6th. do you think that's a possibility? >> yeah. i think the larger trending that we'll see and what's really come out through all of these news articles is that, one, there was major pressure against the department of justice to overturn the election or create some kerfuffle that would justify public machinations around was the election actually true. we see with acting attorney general rosen and some of the others that they were ready to basically disband the department in order to stop that. that also, though, affected the response on january 6th without a doubt. they were just focused on keeping our democracy together, i think. and then meanwhile, there's this

giant rally out on the hill that they're watching. they're trying to figure out what to do. you have director wray i think in a similar position where he's probably just trying to keep his head down, not be removed and then january 6th happens on his watch. then the same sort of thing happened at the department of defense. you had an acting secretary of defense who moved in there just weeks before. january 6th pops up. they receive no notice from the district of columbia to have troops on stand by and to not have riot gear and weapons. just the whole system. i think what we'll see through this investigation, it broke down due to the efforts of one person, donald trump. >> eugene, very quickly, some of these record requests they're leaving the white house and going to doug ducey, governor of arizona, brian kemp, governor of georgia. it seems to me that some of these record requests are also going to be providing information perhaps to the justice department, department of civil rights, to do investigations into trump's

attempt to manipulate state elections. is that something else that we could reasonably assume from these record requests? >> based on the people who you outlined that are parts of that, absolutely. it seems like and we don't know for sure, but reasonably you can expect that that is what they are also looking at. why we don't know is because they're doing a lot of the work behind the scenes. like you said, this seems like they're throwing a wide net out there and anyone who could have possibly talked to or have been contacted by the president and his team are a part of this. something like my grandmother would say they're getting everybody, they're talking to everybody and that is the thing they're looking to do that includes folks that the president talked to to try to possibly get them to overturn elections in states, because all of this is connected. it's obviously all connected to the, quote unquote, big lie. and what that ends up looking like is something that's going to be something we have to

follow and we don't know this yet. >> america, this is how you begin investigating a coup. clint watts and eugene daniels, thanks for joining us today on "deadline." coming up, one defense official saying he's nauseated what's happening in afghanistan. what the biden administration can do about it, next. biden adr can do about it, next. most reliablerk by rootmetrics. and our customers rated us #1 for network quality in america according to j.d. power. number one in reliability, 16 times in a row. most awarded for network quality, 27 times in a row. proving once again that nobody builds networks like verizon. that's why we're building 5g right, that's why there's only one best network. it's a thirteen-hour flight, that's not a weekend trip. fifteen minutes until we board. oh yeah, we gotta take off. you downloaded the td ameritrade mobile app so you can quickly check the markets? yeah, actually i'm taking one last look at my dashboard before we board. excellent. and you have thinkorswim mobile- -so i can finish analyzing the risk on this position.

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citizens who decide they want to leave to do so, along with the many afghans who have stood by us and want to leave and have been unable to do so. our expectation, the expectation of the international community, is that people who want to leave afghanistan after the u.s. military departs should be able to do so. together we will do everything we can to see that that expectation is met. >> that was secretary of state antony blinken just hours ago reiterating that the united states will attempt to get all americans and allies out of afghanistan even after the deadline in six days set by president biden. even after no u.s. presence remains on the ground. today blinken said that since august 14th, more than 82,000 people have been flown out of kabul, including 4,500 of the 6,000 american citizens known to be in the country. the secretary of state also mentioning that the state department is in contact with 500 americans still in

afghanistan and is still trying to establish contact with another 1,000 remaining. all of this amid new reporting from nbc that reveals extreme disgust by officials at the pentagon, cia and congress over the thousands of afghans who won't make it out. despite helping the u.s. during our country's involvement in afghanistan. one defense official telling nbc news, quote, he grew nauseated as he considered how many afghan allies would be left behind. let's bring in nbc news pentagon correspondent courtney kube and jeremy butler, a navy veteran and ceo of the iraq and afghanistan veterans of america. courtney, we'll start with you. what do we know about the 1,000 possibly americans that are still on the ground? what is being done to get them out? what is being done to vet them? how much of a priority are they as we try to get as many people as possible. >> we know very little about these individuals. one thing that we can assume

based on the fact that this evacuation effort has been ongoing now for more than a week and there's still these thousand plus people, americans who are out there, we can assume that these are sort of the most difficult of the difficult to get to kabul airport. and that may be because they're outside of kabul. they may be behind taliban lines and just very -- it's difficult and dangerous frankly for them to travel to kabul. one thing we've been trying to figure out all week and have been asking questions here at the pentagon and across the u.s. government is as it gets closer and closer to this august 31 deadline, will the u.s. military begin more efforts to go out and get these people. so we know of at least three times so far where the u.s. military has taken helicopters and gone into kabul to pick up americans. there was one late last week, one at the beginning of this week and one just last night. and there have been various numbers. the first one was 169 people and the last one was less than 20.

so the question is will we see more efforts like this to pick up people who are stuck behind taliban lines and can't get to the airport? and that's just the americans that we're talking about here, jason. this doesn't even begin to talk about the potentially thousands of afghans who may be eligible to come to the united states to get on these evacuation flights, who are stuck and can't get to the airport safely to get on a flight out. >> jeremy, there is a lot of frustration inside, outside, lots of people making demands and requests saying that the president should be doing a better job. i want to read you this kwoek from senator ben sasse. mr. president, tell the taliban we're getting our people out however long it taxi and we're perfectly willing to spill taliban, al qaeda and isis blood to do it, senator ben sasse said. here's my question. what are some of the complications on the ground? it's very easy for someone in a comfortable office in the united states to say, hey, do what you've got to do, they're not

the ones getting shot at and they're not the soldiers. what are some of the complications we're still facing on the ground? >> there are many complications. obviously the fact that we have withdrawn so far and are really only at the airport, you're basically asking the military when senator sasse makes these really strong words from behind a desk, he's basically asking the military to do a reinvasion of new parts of the country and to do so without any bloodshed or loss of american life. that's incredibly complicated. and the most frustrating thing, i think, is that where were these courses, where were these calls weeks, months and years ago? the special immigrant visa process has been in place for years, since 2008, i believe. we could have been getting these evacuees, these special immigrant visa applicants out so much longer ago while we still had an incredible footprint in the country and certainly while we still had control of more than the kabul airport. it's great that people are waking up to the situation now,

but so many of us have been calling for this evacuation to have begun so long ago. it really would have been fortunate if this had begun not only under the trump administration back under the obama administration but certainly under the biden administration. i think a lot of us had a lot of faith that he would recognize the importance of it and would have started this a long time ago. i think that's where the real frustration comes from right now. >> i'm glad you mentioned that point, where were these voices before? i kind of feel like afghanistan is an old tv show that gets cancelled and people who haven't watched are complaining about it when they hadn't been watching for a long time. they hadn't been paying attention to afghanistan and now they want to talk about how and why we're leaving. as a veteran who has served and endangeres hid life for this country, my question to you is what would make you happy if you were sitting down right now with the joint chiefs and president of the united states, what would you want to happen over the next five to six weeks? >> one, i hope that we continue to stay in the country as long

as possible to get those allies out. i think we all agree that not only are we backing out on a promise that we made, but we really encouraged not just the special immigrant visa applicants but the women, the girls that are getting an education, the women that are starting nonprofits, we encouraged them to stand up to folks like the taliban and now we're leaving them behind. first and foremost, let's say as long as we can to get them out with the understanding that the longer we do stay, the greater risk we're asking our military to make another sacrifice. overall in the long run, let's stop with the partisan finger pointing and look at the big picture. the country, the government, congress, many presidents have forgotten about this war for a long time. and that's why we're in the position that we are. so i hope that coming out of this, especially as we approach the 20th anniversary of the attack of 9/11, we can look at the decisions made since that day that allowed us to get to

this point. >> courtney kube and jeremy butler, thank you for joining us on "deadline" today. coming up, a rejection mounting against florida governor ron desantis and his covid response, if you can call it a response, when we get back on "deadline." et back on " deadline."

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above it all, governor ron desantis still apparently committed to a strategy that involves no active restrictions. today, though, there are real signs that floridians are simply fed up. according to the latest from quinnipiac, more than half of voters, 51%, disapprove of the governor's response. by a five-point margin, voters say desantis is doing more to hurt the covid response than to help it. let's bring in democratic pollster fernand and david jolly. both are msnbc contributors. two of the most assuring voices out of florida since bob ross. david, i'll start with you. what is the current state of people's opinion about desantis? he remains popular amongst republicans. but it seems from the quinnipiac poll, that he never had democrats but he's got to be losing independents now with people being concerned about how he's handled coronavirus. >> yeah, jason, florida is a

state like many others where elections are 50-50 and they're won by turnout. what ron desantis has done very well is speak the republican narrative. we want freedom, we don't want shutdowns, we don't want mandates. i did the governor that's going to save the economy. for sympathetic republicans it's been very effective. what you just referred to in the numbers is he's picked the wrong fight. this is a rare miscalculation by ron desantis, at least when you look at the raw political numbers. it is clear that what we knew was inevitable, right, we're going to send tens of thousands of floridian children into a classroom unmasked and now we're surprised apparently by the outbreak of covid and the number of people that are quarantined. i think what you're seeing with ron desantis is a bit of a pivot right now. even though he will not concede that he is wrong, he is deputizing the education commissioner in florida, richard corcoran, to be the enforcement man. to be the person who actually

enforces this fight that ron desantis started. you're seeing desantis himself pivot to the treatment narrative, the monoclonal antibodies. he's going to be the leading governor in the country that says we are providing treatment at a rate greater than greater rate than any other states. that's how desantis moves through the school fight over mandates and masks and becomes this public health guru in the state of florida that fox news will annoy the leaders in the country. >> it does not matter to me if it is magic beans. the fact that he's suggesting people handle something after people gotten sick is a problem. more than half of florida students going to schools in mandated masks in defiant of desantis. only parents can decide whether their children wear a mask.

is the fact that he's basically being ignored by schools system all across the state of indicator, hey, look we don't trust you and is that the kind of thing that's going to bleed into his overall perception of competent. i can't imagine that people think he's handling this well. >> i think it is right. as you and congressman jolly alluded to. there is no happy trees for desantis. things are looking really bad for him. i think you just touched on it. the biggest story in florida is this notion that emperor desantis has no close. five days ago today, they issued

a 48-hour threat to two florida school districts. within 48 hours or by monday morning they did not rescind their mask mandates, they're going to issue punitive damages. what has happened since those threats were issued last week. nine additional counties as the poll alluded to, 52% of students in the entire state of florida are operating in districts with mask mandates and i think that's only the beginning. i think there are more to come. by the end of the week, we'll see the numbers of rebel counties if you will grow and i think that more than anything else speaks to the political weakness that this governor has chosen on an issue that's not only antiscience and against all medical advice, it is against all practical, political reasons to do this when parents overwhelmingly want to take every measure possible to protect their children from

acquiring covid in the worse environment of covid that we have seen yet. >> desantis looks a lot weaker than he did six months ago point do you think this is changing the thinking of democrats in the state as to whether or not they should put up a strong calendar against him in 2022? if this guy is this unpopular for an issue that he mismanaged. you can't pivot to i don't think covid is an issue to suddenly being the covid crusader. maybe this guy is weak. maybe we need to get more serious of 2022. >> jason, you just touched on one of the open secrets in florida's politics, the idea that the democratic party at the national level even though they did not say out loud had a banding in florida. not only florida is competitive, it would be a foolish decision not to engage because you have

both democratic contenders, congressman nicky freed and val demings, if that political reality happens, i think florida is to take things if democrats make the decision to invest now and say we can win this state based on desantis' incompetence and disaster mismanagement of this pandemic. >> david charlie, i am thinking governor allen in 2006 and virginia, and missouri. the political graveyard is filled with republican governors who everybody thought were going to be front runners in 2024. how is covid impacting or damaging the shrine of desantis

as a real 2024 contender? >> i had an exchange of this question of competence. this is very important for democrats to consider. we are so wrapped around desantis ideology and donald trump's ideology. the worse characteristic of a politician is to be out of touch and be incompetent. if florida is the first state that has more deaths, related deaths after the vaccine and before, that's a measure of incompetence. if he did not know the state health officials needed to go to the health government for more ventilators. that's incompetent. the state failed to apply of hungry children. that's incompetenincompetence. if he's playing border patrol with governor abbott while the state of florida is melting

down, that's incompetence. it could hurt him as a presidential candidate. i would say that takes a lot of discipline from democrats to tag him with incompetence. failure to do so, i would say this jason, i will go out on a limb, i think desantis could primary trump republican in the republican primary and beat him. i think desantis' political team is making that calculation right now. he can't wait until 2028. his stock will go down. he'll be a former governor in either six years. his currency is at an all time high to run for president. that means starting now saying i am going to run in 2024 and i am going to beat donald trump in the primary. >> thank you so much. i don't want to touch any of desantis' currency, it is covered in covid. we'll be right back after a quick break. right back after a quick break.

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