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on. right now i'm tired, but not weary, because earlier today in my capacity as the president of the national action network i joined martin luther king's eldest son and his daughter-in-law and granddaughter, along with tens of thousands of americans around the country who believe in justice, protesting with our feet and bodies, protesting the surge of voter registration legislation generated by republican state politicians in response to last year's general election and in advance of next year's midterm elections. the nagasu responded today as we were joined in the district by demonstrators in georgia, texas, florida, and arizona, the main
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fronts of this voting rights battle. but tonight, also watching the human rights battle in afghanistan intensifying as afghan and american deaths mount, terror attacks this weekend in kabul, killing at least 70 people and 13 u.s. soldiers. president biden is vowing retaliation and wasting no time. u.s. military officials saying that at least two isis fighters believed to be involved in planning a future attack were killed in a drone strike last night. as the president keeps to his timetable, now 72 hours away. all that tonight on this very special "politicsnation." but we start with voting rights. joining me now, global civil rights activist martin luther
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king iii and andrea waters king. it's a momentous kissinger brother martin, and sister andrea. tens of thousands of people are getting involved. we had at least 20,000 march with us down the streets of washington and there's some still in the streets in cities across the country. our collective mission today to draw attention to the onslaught of voter restriction bills that have been generated, if not passed by republican lawmakers in nearly every state over the last year. of course i have to mention that earlier this week the house passed the john lewis voting rights advancement act. two of his brothers marched with us today . that act is largely concerned with restoring corporate protections of the voting rights act struck down by the supreme court over the last decade. but then i also have to mention that it must now pass the senate where the republican caucus
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remains opposed to voting rights legislation. so i wonder if we'll find ourselves back here again until we get it, martin. >> oh, absolutely. we don't have a choice. this is the most -- one of the most important issues that all of us should be focused on as a nation. and that's what we did today in over 100 cities around this country. we let our voices be heard, that we want the expansion of voting rights, although we know 20 states have already enacted restrictive laws. >> now, of course, andrea, despite the efforts of those texas democrats and some of them remain in with a are not and marched with us today, those that had fled the state weeks ago, this week the texas state house advanced a voter restriction bill that those democrats were trying to impede. now it's essentially just one step removed from being signed
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into law by governor greg abbott. the black protesters who joined us today will be affected by those restrictions, mail-in voting cuts, and criminalized clerical violations. what must our next steps look like, not capitol hill or the white house, but the grassroots who marched today with us? what are our next steps, andrea? >> we have to continue to put the pressure on those that are in the white house and on capitol hill. because with each one of these state laws that are being passed, the recourse that we have is some type of federal voting rights, the reestablishment of pre-clearance, so that immediately these laws can be abolished. so we have to continue to press for federal legislation and we have to continue support the groups that are on the ground every day in the courthouses and
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in the communities working to protect and expand our voting rights. we cannot -- today was not the end. it really was the beginning. as you said earlier, we marched in over 100 cities today with 300 national partners. we know, according to polling and according to the people that were out today, that the vast majority of americans support what we're doing and support the expansion of voting rights. so we have to continue to take that power directly from the people, as you said earlier, up to the white house and to congress. >> no doubt about it. i mean, it was a blistering sun and have 20,000 march through, a few thousand standing under the bushes hearing our speeches. but, andrea, i want to make sure we emphasize the positive while we remember what we're doing because i know how much i enjoyed watching my daughter ashley peek today. so i can only imagine what watching your daughter, yolanda,
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must be like for you as she spoke today on the mall in emlation and commemoration of her grandfather's most famous speech 58 years ago. what are your thoughts when you consider that here she is addressing the very same inequities that her grandfather died contending with two generations ago? >> i think that her grandfather was right when he predicted the next phase of the movement would not be for civil rights but for genuine equality. he predicted that a year before he was assassinated, and we see that being played out now. i also think about the fact that as martin's mother said, every generation has to win an earnest freedom, and that's what we're doing now. and i also think about the fact that we each have a responsibility to continue to feed the flames of peace, justice, and equity. of course i wished that she would not have these exact same
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struggles at such a young age that she needs to be out there and making her voice heard, but i know that that is part of the freedom movement. it's something she's passionate about, something that she loves, and it's something that she is incredibly dedicated to. she really believes that her generation will be the last generation to face these issues, and i hope and pray that she's absolutely right. >> she gives me a lot of hope. i'm really proud of her. martin, i want to pivot just a bit to today's news. as we pursue our domestic civil rights here in america, as you watch the continuing upheaval in afghanistan ahead of the withdrawal, the loss of life and the breakdown of human rights, your father famously opposed the forever war of his day in vietnam. how do you think he might assess the situation we find ourselves in today? >> well, it clearly is very
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difficult, and we certainly have been supportive of afghan people and afghan people have supported us. i think that it was not the fact that we were leaving, it's how we chose to do it. and that to me has proven to be a critical mistake. we support democracy in afghanistan, but it's problematic that we won't even support expanding the right to vote. i'm equally as concerned about the right of people to vote in our own country, expanding that right, not restricting it, as these states have done. >> as i said in my speech today, the afghan people that do come,
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even in the nation's capitol they don't have federal legislators that can vote on the senate or congress. we need to live up to what we represent. i want democracy in afghanistan and in the district of columbia and in georgia and in texas and everywhere we're going. >> absolutely. >> that is what is important. we have to take from concept to concrete, which is what people all over the country were marching about today. >> no question. absolutely. couldn't agree more. now is the time. >> all right. well, thank you both for being with us and thank you, of course, we're glad to partner with you as we continue this struggle. joining me now is the house majority whip and chair of the select subcommittee on coronavirus crisis, representative jim clyburn. congressman, marches are taking
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place across the country today to demand voting rights. i've said before that saying nothing says something. and today we made sure our voices were heard and as you know the john lewis voting rights advancement act passed in the house but faces serious opposition in the senate. with all the marches we've seen, the american people have spoken, and you've been an activist, a civil rights activist long before any of us -- you know this better than anyone -- about the need to have activism. what do you see happening next with this now fight with the senate? >> first of all, thank you, reverend, for having me today and congratulations on your 10th anniversary. i know you'll be celebrating tomorrow. i'm trading places with you. i'm going to be performing some nuptials in charleston from a couple that met in my office. so we'll trade places, but
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congratulations and god speed. >> wow. thank you. >> look, we are at a point in our great country that we're going to have to do what is necessary to maintain this pursuit of a more perfect union. that is under threat. a lot of people feel that our progress moves on a linear plane, but it doesn't. it goes to the right for a while, then it goes back left, then it goes back right again. and the only thing that keeps that in check is the intervention of voters. and so we cannot keep this pursuit if we don't have an unfettered right to vote. and we see what is going on in texas, in georgia, in arizona, and here in south carolina, many other states. 49 states have now proposed
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restrictive laws. about 20 of them have already enacted these laws. if we are going to maintain this pursuit, we have got to make sure that we have an unfettered right to vote. and that to me is critical. and so the marches all over the country today are calling attention to the fact that after 58 years, the country is now moving back to the right again, and we have got to do what is necessary to bring it back to the center. thank you so much for the role you're playing in that. >> now, let me bring this up. we're just three days away from president biden's tuesday deadline of fully withdrawing from afghanistan. the president said today they're still on track to meet this deadline, even though there's still thousands of afghan allies and hundreds of u.s. citizens on the ground waiting to be
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evacuated. is this deadline happening too soon? >> no, i don't think so. i do believe that all of us are concerned about the process. but after 20 years, what's going to happen in another five, ten, 15, or 20 years? we have to remember that the russians stayed in afghanistan i think 12 to 14 years. we have got to get out of there, and i think the president is doing the right thing. now, he's warned us that there may be some other terrorist issues to contend with over the next two or three days. i would hope and pray that we will not have any more loss of life. but i know this. the cost for staying there is going to be much, much greater. so i would hope that the transparency that's being
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demonstrated by this president, the honesty with the american people, not lying about it, but laying it on the table telling us exactly what to expect, that's what the american people would like to have from their leader, and he is providing that. and so i would hope that the men and women who find themselves in harm's way will be safe and can return to us safely. and i also hope their mission of getting every american out of there or everybody who want to come out of there will be successful. >> i want to discuss the pandemic. a big debate has been mask mandates in schools, specifically as more children have fallen sick. schools are reopening with some not requiring students to wear masks for in-person learning. as the chair of the house select subcommittee on covid-19 crisis, is enough done to protect our
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children? >> well, i think governor desantis in florida, i think, is being very shortsighted. i took polio vaccines. i have taken a vaccine for tetanus. we all take vaccines, and we have to do that not just to protect ourselves, but to protect our children and our friends. and this masking up is something that is necessary for us to do, and to politicize it the way the former president did and some of the governors throughout this country are doing today is just beyond me. now we're getting reports that people are taking medicine for animals, you know, to prevent covid-19. that is just ludicrous.
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and so we need to keep the science in the forefront. we need to protect ourselves, our children, our grandchildren. we need to do what is necessary to keep our communities safe. i'm going to be participating monday. the white house will be doing some stuff in south carolina along with secretary of hud, marcia fudge, trying to save the people. get the vaccinations. put on the mask. protect yourself. protect your children, and do what's necessary to keep these hospitals from overflowing as well as the malls, if you please. >> in an act of bipartisanship, the senate passed the infrastructure bill, which plans on using trillions of dollars to reshape america's roads, bridges, and provide broadband
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access to millions. speaker pelosi said this week she looks forward to the house passing it before the end of the month. will this bill live up to its promise by ushering in a new era of american prosperity in your opinion? >> absolutely, absolutely. roads and bridges all over the country are in peril, and we need to do what is necessary to make them safe. but we also got to remember, broadband is the new infrastructure. broadband can be to this country in the 21st century what electricity was in the 20th century. if you look at the bipartisan bill we got to pass, it provides around $65 billion for broadband. but remember, that is only two-thirds of what is required to build broadband out in the country. the experts say that we need about $95 billion. so in order for us to do broadband for everybody, we got
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to have the $65 billion that we got in this bipartisan bill, but we also need to get another $25 billion to $35 billion, which will come to us under that $3.5 trillion bill. now, remember, that's up to $3.5 trillion. that's not the floor, that's the ceiling. so this argument over how big it is ought not to be taking place. let's come together because we might be able to do it with $2.5 trillion or just $3 trillion. it doesn't have to be $3.5 trillion. let's see what it would cost to get people where they need to be, and let's pass that, because there's a big cost if we don't do it, and nobody ever decides how much it's going to cost if our children are not educated, if health care is not delivered to rural communities. what will that cost be? much more than the $3.5 trillion ceiling that we're talking about today.
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>> all right. thank you, congressman jim clyburn. coming up on "politicsnation," even as we march for voting rights today in washington, relentless efforts are under way across the country to overturn lawful elections. coming up, why black voters in california should be paying very close attention to the recall. but first, my colleague, dara brown, with today's top news stories. dara? >> thank you, rev. the stories we're watching at this hour. the pentagon says two high-profile isis targets were killed by a military drone strike on friday in afghanistan after a terrorist attack killed 13 u.s. service members and dozens of civilians near the kabul airport thursday. around 350 americans remain in the country and are still looking to leave as the deadly for total u.s. withdrawal looms on tuesday. hurricane ida now a category 2 storm is it makes its way toward the gulf coast and new
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orleans. almost 16 years to when hurricane katrina struck the region. the storm is expected to be a category 4 by the time it makes landfall sunday night. louisiana is under a state of emergency as evacuations are under way today as residents prepare for high winds and life-threatening storm surge. and the death toll in the u.s. from covid-19 has now topped 640,000. the rise of the highly contagious delta is pushing hospitals to their limit once again. in oregon, the state is facing a 990% increase in hospitalizations since early july. the seven-day daily avalanche of cases now over 2,000, according to state officials. more "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton after the break. [zippers fasten] [engine revs] woo-hoo! it's time for your extracurriculars. ¡vámanos, amigos!
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welcome back to "politicsnation." i have a lot to get to with my political panel, so let's bring them in. juanita tolliver is a democratic strategist and susan del percio is a republican strategist. both are msnbc political analysts. let's start in afghanistan. where already a deadly terrorist attack killed 13 american soldiers and more than 170 afghan civilians with dozens more injured. here's what the president had to say in the aftermath. watch this. >> to those who carried out this attack, as well as anyone who wishes america harm, know this. we will not forgive. we will not forget. we will hunt you down and make
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you pay. i'll defend our interests in our people with every measure at my command. >> u.s. forces didn't waste any time, killing an isis-k fighter believed to be involved in planning a future attack last night. in a drone strike he was killed, and still the president is holding to the august 31st deadline, even as the pace of evacuations shows no signs of slowing. susan, is this the right approach? >> it is, mostly because the president drew the line in the sand right off the bat when there was a lot of concern about the logistics of how we were getting out early on, which was basically on both sides of the aisle, republicans and democrats have a big problem with the evacuation. the president stepped up after we were attacked, after 13 of our soldiers fell. he took immediate action.
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he's sticking to his deadline and showing leadership that he does believe the right decision was made and will continue that. what will be very important are the weeks after we leave afghanistan and what stories come out. did we get everyone we said we would get out? did they? or are we at least helping them through diplomatic channels? so that is what i think i'll be keeping a closer eye on. officers the actions, though, in the last 72 hours by the president, that's presidential leadership, and he didn't make any excuses, unlike the former guy. and i can't highlight that enough. he didn't blame it on somebody else. he owned it and he took action. >> let me turn to the gubernatorial recall election in california. juanita, californians have recalled their governor before. it's how we ended up governor arnold schwarzenegger. are we taking this threat
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seriously enough in your opinion? >> i think, rev, a lot more work needs to be done on the ground to make sure that democratic voters are not only aware, but aware of what's at stake with this recall election, because we know in a recall the motivated party is the party that is looking to remove the incumbent. and so you can fully expect republicans to be out in full force in this recall effort. and that's what makes this precarious because in an off cycle, we already expect low turnout. expect even lower turnout in recall. that's another barrier facing incumbent gavin newsom. we have seen deep mobilization efforts and public education efforts in black and brown communities where this may not be a number one priority because we're still very much in a pandemic. we all know that black and brown communities are still behind and struggling economically and financially in this moment. and so getting this to be a top priority in their minds is going to be critical for democrats in this recall.
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>> and i think that some of the democratic leadership around going to have newsom began to feel that way because they had scheduled vice president kamala harris, who was the senator and the attorney general from california to come and campaign, but because of afghanistan, she couldn't come. so that says to me there is some concern there. >> yeah, rev, i couldn't agree more. >> go ahead. >> also, the president is scheduled to be there on wednesday. now, he may change that. but they are afraid. you know, the governor's team got completely caught flat footed. there's a reason why you didn't see more key democrats running early on for this position in the recall, and that was because the governor's numbers have been so strong. i've been following this for a while as someone who's dealt with recalls. and right now they are completely off guard. i will say, covid is hurting governor newsom's numbers big
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time, but, boy, the democrats were caught flat-footed. now they need the national help. this should serve as a lesson no matter what issues -- and i know we're going to talk about voting rights. whatever it is, you cannot let up. you have to keep going, and i think that newsom may very well find himself out. >> now, let's talk about the pandemic. there are currently over 100,000 people in this country hospitalized with coronavirus. that's the highest number since january. and yet, we have some governors like ron desantis of florida who seem to be rooting for the virus, defending mask mandate bans in court and refusing to advocate for the vaccine, which is the single most effective tool for keeping folks from being hospitalized. also in florida, the surgeon general is preparing to step down in september. susan, what is going to happen
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in florida? what is the end game for a guy like desantis? and is it too late to turn this thing around? >> it's getting awful close. what's going to make it closer is in another month or so you're going to have the snowbirds back in florida who are going to need medical care and won't be able to get it because the hospitals are filled. and i know this is going to sound crass, but the delta variant is killing those who are unvaccinated. they're causing the illness. and the deaths we see are from those who are unvaccinated. those who are unvaccinated are desantis supporters, so i don't know why he's literal putting his constituency at death's door. >> finally, juanita, let's get to voting rights. an existential crisis in america right now and the reason why many marched on the capitol
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today. here's what terry swul had to say. >> it's not okay to see you stand on the shoulders of these amazing heroes and heroines and not do your own work. here we are marching to do your own work. as long as a supreme court is hell bent on rolling back voting rights, selma is now. as long as we have a senate that is so entrenched in having a procedural vote call a filibuster and not restoring our voting rights, selma is now. >> juanita, the people are doing their part, state-level democrats like the texas delegation who fled their own state to slow this down are doing their part. congressional democrats like the congresswoman are doing their part. and senate democrats, well, the
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question is, are they going to do their part? >> rev, i think you just named it. congresswoman sewell just named it. all eyes need to be on the chamber right now, especially since we know republicans refuse to do anything like this, especially as republican-led state houses are passing these voter suppression bills. now it comes down to democrats in the senate to take up these voting rights legislation, h.r. 1, h.r. 4, and get them through. this is the moment where they need to leverage every tool available to them to make sure this happens because the very voters that installed them and voting for them into these positions are looking for them to protect our sacred right to vote, to protect our democracy, to protect our elections. i think we can all agree that everybody who's eligible to vote should be voting and have no barriers to the ballot box.
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and so unless senate democrats do that, they can expect a whole lot of noise to come. and it doesn't stop at these marches. pressure will still be applied on congress when they come back in september and this drum beat is not going to stop because this is a major mark, especially for black and brown voters that we know these bills are targeting to make sure that democrats deliver for them. >> you're absolutely right about that. it will not stop. juanita tolliver, and susan del percio, thank you both. after the break, a look at mississippi's grim history of lynchings. i'll talk to the civil rights attorney fighting for the justice of grieving families. that's next. d ♪ ♪ and one we explore one that's been paved and one that's forever wild but freedom means you don't have to choose just one adventure ♪ ♪ you get both.
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that's because you all have the same internet. xfinity xfi. so powerful, it keeps one-upping itself. can your internet do that? the lynching of black americans is one of jim crow's most indelible images as men, women, and children were ritually murdered, often for the amusement of mobs that con don't understand black victims without trials and condemned them while law enforcement looks the other way or participated outright. but the intention was always the same. white intimidation and black silence. now a prominent civil rights attorney has found that in one old confederate state, mississippi, at least eight
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black males are suspected to have been lynched over a 20-year span. that span being the last 20 years. joining me now, civil rights attorney jill colin jefferson. attorney jefferson, i want to understand from your background just how close you are to this story. your law firm takes its name from the late julian bond, the longtime head of the naacp and an institution unto himself. you began researching the deaths of black people found hanging, eventually focusing on your own state, which leads the nation in these kinds of instances, as it did during jim crow. you found that at least eight black males had been allegedly
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lynched in mississippi since 2001. like jim crow, you found systemic failure of law enforcement to call these deaths what you and the victims' families believed them to be. can you elaborate on these findings, counselor? >> yes. yes, i can. first, thank you for having me, reverend al. what i have found in these cases is that, first, there's a pattern to these investigations. you have a situation where, first of all, the crime scene is not preserved. then you have a situation where evidence just basically is misanalyzed. and then the case is ruled a suicide and it's not ever brought up again unless someone brings it up. these are issues that i found that the state of mississippi is incredibly hesitant to confront. there is this obsession with image and with trying to prove that we're not the same mississippi anymore, but at the
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same time we're allowing the same things to happen. one question that i have is at what point does this become state action? because we're not talking about one sheriff's department. we're talking about action on a on behalf of a state agency, like the mississippi bureau of investigation who failed to analyze the evidence, that is right in front of them, and to actually miss evidence that's right there. so yes. >> now, according to the equal justice initiative, more than 4,000 black people were lynched in america between reconstruction and the second world war. mississippi saw the highest proportion of those murders is 581 over that seven-year span, according to the naacp. when you think about the fact that we still do not have federal anti-lynching legislation a century after the action ida b. wells was calling
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for during that time, what's your response to that? >> it is utterly ridiculous to me. i've read thoroughly the proposals for anti-lynching legislation, even the proposals that are out there talk about lynching as though it doesn't happen anymore. it seems like it's written by people who have no idea what's actually going on on the ground. and what's there does nothing for civil rights attorneys like me. you have no accountability for prosecutors to actually try these cases. so often they're the ones whose egos and re-elections are at stake for failing in these cases. these families, one case has been frozen in time for 20 years, yet we don't have anti-lynching legislation. that is utterly ridiculous to me and that needs to change right now. working on these cases has shown me more than anything that now
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is the time for this legislation and i'm not okay with the legislation that's there, that is absolutely imtent and toothless. we need to have lynchings not happening anymore. >> attorney jefferson, as we talk about civil and human rights in mississippi, i want to mention the supreme court is set to hear arguments about a currently blocked state law that would ban all abortions after 15 weeks. and so the heavily poor, young, and black women who stand to lose access to the only abortion clinic in the state sounds as much about civil rights as abortion rights to me. what are your thoughts, counselor? >> yes, this is a matter of civil rights. having the right to an abortion is a constitutional right. it's grounded in the right to privacy that is within the constitution. and i find it really interesting that part of this argument is an argument about, you know, the
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right to an abortion is not explicitly listed in the constitution, but neither is the right to bear arms. the way that we interpret that law is the interpretation of a constitutional provision, the second amendment. in this we're interpreting another constitutional provision, yet we're not applying that same logic to the situation. what it reminds me of quite honestly is a suicide bomber, someone who feels like they have the right and a moral duty to mess up somebody else's life for the greater i'm trying to do attorney jill colin jefferson, thank you for being with us tonight. up next, my final thoughts on why we marched today. stay with us. and new ways for m to reach you... is what business is all about. it's what the united states postal service has always been about. so as your business changes, we're changing with it. with e-commerce that runs at the speed of now.
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i'll see you back here tomorrow at 5:00 p.m. eastern for a very special edition of politics nation. we're celebrating ten years on the air with an impressive guest lineup and a few surprises. i'll see you there. my colleague, alicea menendez picks up our news coverage now. >> thank you so much, reverend sharpton, for giving us something to celebrate. i'm alicea menendez.
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today is the 58th anniversary of the historic march on washington. and today, across america, thousands marched to remember that moment in history. and to stand against many of the same inequities that exist some six decades later. chief among them, the gop's sustained attacks on veegt rights, which are made possible by state legislatures controlled by the gop, like in texas, where one of the most restrictive voting rights bills in american history was advanced yesterday at the statehouse. that's why democrats were out demanding action on federal hill, to make intimidation tactics like that bill in texas, null and avoid. >> 90 pages long and full of nothing, but ways to keep poor people from voting, to keep black and brown people from voting, to keep disable people from voting. if you fall into any of those categories, you need to be out he

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