good afternoon. i'm in for ayman mohyeldin. the shear breath of natural disasters in the u.s. is devastating. from ida in the east and south to fires on the west coast. historic levels of rainfall even inundating cities. the storm is blamed for 29 deaths across the region. >> the human loss which is hard to imagine that people simply in their cars and homes and basements succumbed to the ravages of a brutal storm.

>> so much rain. in philadelphia flood waters so high some people were rescued from the tops of their homes. authorities there and elsewhere in pennsylvania, new jersey and new york left to rescue hundreds of people who were trapped in their homes by all that water. >> we're homeless right now. this all -- you know, we'll all come together and figure out a solution and go from there. >> the rain also sent water pouring into the new york city subway system. along with other mass transit systems in the region right now it's struggling to return to normal service. ida's remnants spawned several tornados in pennsylvania and new jersey. one of the twisters damaged and destroyed hills in new jersey. down to south eastern louisiana many people are spending their fourth day in sweltering heat without power or running water.

they continue to wait in hours' long lines for ice, water, food and other necessity. all of this as west coast firefighters are making slow progress against the fires. the caldor fire can now been seen from space. three disasters on three coasts, all super charged by climate change. joining us to start off our coverage msnbc anchor jasmine who is in new york. we have a reporter in philadelphia and shaquille bruster who is in new orleans and gary is in new york. gary, authorities were using

boats to rescue people. where do things stand now? >> we're on the off ramp of the vine street expressway. it goes all the way through the city of philadelphia. it reaches the top of that street sign. this is not stopping any time soon. the river has yet to crest and the water is still rising. while philadelphia schools were open today they'll be closed tomorrow because of the flooding across the area of philadelphia. in covid times it doesn't mean kids have the day off. they're in virtual learning. this is impacting more than just traffic problems. look at this apartment building. this is where it had flood waters going into the basement. they had to cut electricity to the entire building. they had to then evacuate the entire complex. we have people all over the

front lawn of this complex not knowing whether they'll be able to sleep in their own beds because of the flood waters that came through the city. >> jasmine, talk about the situation there. we've heard all the stories from people in westchester literally trying to escape with their lives. >> reporter: it's not often we're part of the story. trying to get out here was pretty difficult. it took hours versus minutes to get out here from new york city because so many road closures, because of the flooding still there. it's much of what you're seeing behind me. cindy is cleaning up her home that was completely flooded. i want to show you some of the images of what we're seeing. i want to take you inside cindy's home. this is is the downstairs area where her cousin lives. upstairs is where cindy lives.

chris, you can't imagine the destruction here. take a look at this thing. it's completely unliveable obviously. this is the kitchen area. mud everywhere. just totally trashed because of the water. then look at this water lineup here. if you see here, this is how high the water came. i can barely reach and i'm 5'10". imagine these people having been in their homes sleeping in the middle of the night -- you know because you live in new york city. it came so quickly. it went from ankle length to all the way up here, hence why that's such widespread destruction. the gentleman that lives here, his cousin is helping with the clean up. let me take you outside. when i was speaking to jeff bennett i talked about a car that floated down the street.

it was this man's car. cindy, you were watching this whole thing take place. >> yes. >> what was that like? >> scary. scary because when they climbed out of this side window and the water was already on the third step. >> over here? >> third step from the top. he rang my bell. i was look who is it? he said open the door. i said, oh, my god, look at the water. then we had to get to the top because it got nasty. we saw the car here. it turned sideways. the lights were blinking and literally the water went up and it kept rolling and rolling until -- we didn't know it was there until this morning. we thought we lost it. >> now what? now your cousin is dealing with the insurance. where did you he live? >> he went to new rochelle.

they're trying to situate somethings. everything is lost. >> were you afraid you were going to have to evacuate in the middle of the night? >> we waited until 1:00 in the morning to get evacuated. they were backed up. then it got to where everything was shut down. >> so sorry, cindy. >> they had us all get out the house. about two hours ago they let us back in. we have nowhere to go. >> yasmine -- >> me and my kids, him and his wife. >> can you ask her how quickly the water rose? that's what we heard from people in basements it started to come in on them before they could realize it. >> how quickly -- chris wants to know how quickly did you see the water rise? >> wow, within -- when we saw the car here, not even 15

minutes. the car just went right under. >> had you ever seen anything like this before? >> no. i see it on tv. i see it on tv. we had a storm a week ago and this got flooded. it wasn't as bad as this. this was bad. we were able to clean up the next morning, but, yeah, this was bad. >> thank you, cindy. wish you the best of luck. >> reporter: let me show you this here. this house is raised on stilts. they raised it because it got flooded so much. they raised this house because they got flooded so much and that's why they didn't want the water to come into their first floor. they said to me last night it was so bad the water got up to 918, where it says the house number. that's how high it got. you see this trash here and

stuff, the washer/dryer. it's devastating. it's like this everywhere. every street you drive down you see more and more devastation. you always see this in the aftermath of storms. two things. the weather is incredible today. a lot of people are thankful for. community is stepping in. people are helping each other out. advising how to use shop vacs, dropping off generators and shop vacs. that's the silver lining, community steps in to help each other out. >> the biggest silver lining of all is that cindy and her family are here. shaq, i want to move to you. this is day four for people in southeast louisiana who have been dealing with intense heat and lack of power and water. are officials concerned about the cumulative effect on

people's health and what's the hope for getting power and water back? >> they are, chris. i just checked the temperature here. when you combine the heat and humidity, it's a feels like temperature of 109 degrees. that's why officials are concerned. they opened up cooling centers and buses so people can get cooled off. they're urging people to be patient saying we're a little away until power is restored. the restoration of power is happening unevenly across the city. we're in nola east. right there on that side of the creek they have power. they have air conditioning and are able to host family members who don't have power. if you go to the other side of the creek, these folks don't have power. you still hear the generators. you hear the need for gas, people spending long hours in gas lines. listen to my conversation with

people from both sides of the creek. >> both houses are full. >> really? >> yes. my mom's house and my house. >> until when? >> until we got power. >> earn has power except us. >> how do you feel about that? >> i can't say. the timeframe is too long. people are stranded. >> reporter: we heard from city leaders today and leaders of the energy companies. they're warning people to be prepared to be in these conditions for nearly three weeks. it's not for lack of trying. they have 25,000 electric workers in the state from 38 different states. they're definitely trying to get the power restored. it's going to take some time when you consider the transmission lines into the city got knocked down with the hurricane-force winds. >> jake, we spoke 24 hours ago.

then you almost literally had the wind at your back, not in a good way. is mother nature cooperating? what's the hope for containment? >> reporter: the good news is the conditions have changed. it looks like south lake tahoe will be saved. spending time now in the aftermath of places that have burned through is really an object lesson in how incredibly destructive this is. i want to show you the force of a forest fire. you see a classic widow maker. an enormous tree burned from the inside. that requires a tree to be pretty dry. if we come up the length here, this is a tree that i could not put my arms around. there's no way any team of humans could move a tree like this. it's been split falling here because of the fire on to the boulder and broke the boulder

and then caught fire again and set fire to the entire hillside. while we're seeing more positive signs on the ground with the wind in my place, it means the fire is going to move south. when you look at something as old probably as the united states itself, to see that destroyed and to realize the incredible change that we are seeing around us at every moment, it goes to show we're living in an entirely altered environment. here we are looking now at a lake tahoe that will be largely empty over the labor day weekend. a weekend where you would see 100,000 tourists come in. instead this place will be empty after officials said do not come. telling tourists do not come to lake tahoe. to see that and see the possibility that september and october in a place like this may

not be a place we're able to be, all of that is very basing. >> the economic impact boggles the mind. thank you all for your exceptional reporting. of course state and local leaders in new york and new jersey have been pointing to climate change as a key culprit of all this. they're warning things will only get worse. >> anybody that's a global warming denier take a look around. you might have had an occasional storm and it wasn't anything. these things are getting stronger and there's more damage. we got to do something. it's too late now. >> we got to leap forward and get ahead of this. any infrastructure money we get i bet a lot will be put into resilient infrastructure. >> we've got the message. we have to make a change to protect the lives of the people of this city. >> for more i want to bring many

michael mann director of the earth science center at penn state. he's author of the book "the new climate war." thanks for being with us. jake ward said we're looking at an entirely altered environment. what say you? >> chris, good to be with you on this rather unfortunate day. we are witnessing climate change. these scenes on our televisions now, this is climate change. make no mistake. it certainly is true, we're living in a different reality now. in some sense it's worse than that. the changes that we've seen thus far, the events we're seeing play out on our television screens, that's what's baked in.

if we don't act, this gets worse. at some point it's not hard to use your imagination and see it will exceed our adaptive capacity as a civilization. we're at a crossroads here. we've been given a vision of our future. it's up to us to decide whether we're going to act. >> let's talk about that. the director of the program for the study of developed shore lines gave an urgent message in the "new york times." quote, the coastal zone will be in ever increasing peril. all this spending is a band-aid, not a cure. we can build all the sea walls and marshes we want. the problem is not what we put on the ground. it's what we put in the air. what do the long-term solutions look like? >> that's right. we need to invest in resilient

infrastructure. we have to provide reduced vulnerability to people who live in flood-prone regions, fire-prone regions. there's no question. at the same time if we don't reduce our carbon emissions dramatically by a factor of 50% within the next decade if we're to avert warming the planet beyond a disastrous level, we need not to just invest in resilience, we need to invest in new, clean energy infrastructure that will transition us away from fossil fuels on the dramatic and fast time scale that's necessary here. that's why, as this infrastructure deal and the reconciliation package continues to work its way through congress, we have to make sure that there are fundamental item ness that bill that bill that

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the procedure after six weeks of pregnancy with no exception for rape or incest. the supreme court declines to block the law because, even though the decision does not address the constitutionality of the law, the net effect is to make 85 to 90% of abortions in texas illegal. justice sotomayor wrote the texas legislature has deputized its citizens as bounty hunters offering them cash prizes. joining me now is shannon petty-piece. shannon, a much stronger statement from the white house after that decision. what does a whole of government effort look like?

>> reporter: strong words, but not necessarily strong actions. at least not yet. the administration's response has been similar to other major developments. they'll have a group that looks into this and see if there's any federal action they can take. hhs and the department of justice are going to be involved into looking into what the options are from the executive branch, from the federal level in responding to this texas law. we know that they're not putting a senior high profile official in charge of this review. they've said they'll put the co-chairs of the gender policy council in charge of it. there's not a timeline. my colleague monica alba asked about this in the press briefing and the press secretary said as quickly as possible is when they would like the review to take place. there's not any specific actions they said they want this group to look into.

past democratic administrations have found there's not a lot they can do from the executive branch, federal level when it comes to abortion rights at the state level. there are legislative options on the table. saki wouldn't submit to supporting any piece of legislation. this white house has a packed legislative agenda with infrastructure, voting rights, police reform, gun reform, a number of issues they want to tackle. this is one more added to the pile of issues they try to get through in a very divided congress. >> shannon, thank you so much. for more on this i want to bring in ruben guigo from arizona. you heard the president saying the federal government will assess what they can do. speaker pelosi said she'll bring up judy chu's women's protection

act. would you support that or is there more that needs to be done here? >> we need to support that and then we also need to break the filibuster to pass it. there is no better reason right now than to protect a women's right to safe legal abortions. the fact we have a supreme court that abdicated their role in trying to determine whether something is constitutional or not and looked away and allowed abortions to be banned in the state of texas makes it more important for us to break the filibuster and protect women's right to choose. there's no greater important thing besides the voting rights act that we need to be passing. i don't understand why our friends in the senate don't understand that. >> with so much breaking news -- it seems like every day there's another huge story. we stepped away from afghanistan. that's a story that continues to unfold. it's something you watched

closely following the u.s. departure. you're a marine corp. veteran, one of the law makers working to evacuate afghans who served alongside u.s. troops. update us please. what do those efforts look like now? >> there's a lot of efforts being done behind the scenes, not just by law makers, but veterans and ngos that care about our afghanistan friends. i don't want to go into details, but we're trying to fiend different ways to get people out of afghanistan. we're talking to third world countries in the sense that countries are not the united states or afghanistan to see if we can land planes there and we're trying to find overland routes to get them out of -- into pakistan or into neighboring countries of afghanistan. we're trying to ensure those who

don't have their visas, speed up their visas. this american public, god bless them, there's a lot going on. to all the women and families in texas, this is horrible. there's a lot of people who still care about afghanistan and we're still trying to get people out. >> you see the ethical responsibility of the government and there are members of the minutes who talked about that, but what's your level of confidence that that can happen, that the ongoing efforts will be successful? >> it's incumbent upon us whether you're an elected official or a veteran to continue pushing. as veterans we believe in mission objective. until we know that everyone that possibly could get out, that had the right to get out, that had the right visas to get out, that helped us, or that we exposed to vulnerability of the taliban,

until we know they're out, we'll continue. i have assurances from the white house they're not giving up. it's my job to hold them accountable. i've been in contact with the white house about particular situations, particular people. they have been receptive. it's my job and the job of everyone that cares about the men and women that helped us to continue pushing forward even if it slips through the headlines of the american media. >> i mentioned you're a veteran. your service in iraq came to mind on january 6th. i want to ask you about the a.p. report revealing new intelligence that the proud boys are planning another rally, at the capitol again, they say they want to demand justice for those arrested following the insurrection. law enforcement discussing whether or not to put the large fence back up. is that something you would support? how concerned are you big

picture about this gathering? >> we should not put up the fence again. we cannot be intimidated by these thugs, these losers of society. they caught us by surprise last time but democracy survived. what we need to take from the fact that they are being audacious is in manner, we need to prosecute them hard. many people already have open cases. it's not a coincidence these proud boys were seen beating up citizens and journalists in los angeles before they showed up here in washington, d.c. we need the police force all across the country, district attorneys, track down these proud boys, all these racists and start arresting them. the reason they feel so emboldened is because we didn't stop them in portland or los angeles, we didn't do anything when they tried to kidnap the governor of michigan.

what made them think they couldn't break in here? if they want to do it, fine. this time arrest them. if they bring violence, make sure we have escalating actions to that and throw the book at them. in terms of justice it's my opinion we're being too light. if i were a judge, i would be throwing the book at everybody and give them at least a couple years of jail time for anyone that tried to overthrow the government. >> there are many cases still to come. we'll see if that what happens. congressman, thank you so much. we continue to follow breaking news, that deadly disaster in the northeast. we have new pictures of tornado damage just this. look at this. homes ripped apart in new jersey. in new york city massive flooding causing destruction. we're on the ground in one

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the total count of those killed by last night's east coast storms sits at 29.

9 people killed in new york city. 17 in new jersey. 3 in pennsylvania. this is what more than six inches of rain did. in manhattan water flooded into subways like this one. this is union square. water starting to flow directly into people's basement apartments. buses began to fill up with water, all the way up to the seats. on the highway people had to abandon their cars to try to escape as water reached levels too high. here you can see footage of a rescue crew coming to get people away from dangerous flooding on a new york highway. queens new york might have been the hardest hit by the extreme rainfall with a staggering 8 people dying there. one family of three, a 50-year-old man, 48-year-old woman and a 2-year-old boy found unresponsive in their basement apartment in flushing.

there are more heart breaking stories behind the other five deaths. joining me now the borough president of queens, donovan richards. thank you for being with us on this awful day. how is queens doing? how are the folks in the neighborhood? >> it's a tough day for all 2.4 million residents. we just got an update that there are three more deaths in the borough. we anticipate that number will grow. it's been a tragic day for the residents of queens county. >> you know, that's devastating news that there are even more and could be more. tell us what happened. we were talking to somebody in westchester counter. they were saying 15 minutes, the water came up so fast. how do we -- what did we not do that we need to prepare for in the future to stop this from

happening? >> one, i think, more extreme weather events are going to happen more often. we know that already. the bottom line is that washington has been lagging or dragging its feet on this infrastructure bill. we need it done yesterday. this is about infrastructure investment and climate change. if we're not taking drastic and bold stances on policies that can prevent this moving into the future, we're going to continue to see more deaths. think about the communities most impacted when these storms hit. people living in basements, that's all tied to the affordability crisis. we have to ensure that, you know, we're dealing with systemic issues and we know that climate change hits everybody differently. when we see these rain events, it's going to impact everybody. >> governor hochul said whatever

you need. what does that mean? >> i was talking to the governor yesterday. i'm confident in her ability. we need aid to home owners, for small businesses. i'm about to tour a building in sunny side in queens. we need fema to get out here to document, to assess and then to also ensure that the financial resources for the short term solution is happening. this red tape that we often find ourselves having to untangle just as we did during hurricane sandy, that we're able to break through that to get assistance to these individuals. these are not wealthy individuals. everybody is living on the

margins, especially coming out of the pandemic and still in the pandemic. we need to make sure money is making its way into the hands of our businesses who were hurt, but also our home owners. >> when might you have an assessment of the economic impact of this in many communities, as you say, are already hurting because of the pandemic? >> we're surveying. fema was out. we had a meeting with 100 city agencies and community organizations a little while ago. in the immediate it's about getting it cleaned up, getting the cars off the parkway. in the short term and long term we need all hands on deck. we need washington to send money right away into the state and for that money to trickle down into the constituents who have been impacted by the pandemic. >> before i let you go, there was a moment at the new jersey governor's briefing where he

appeared to get a call from the president. he didn't take it. then at the new york presser, there was this moment. >> we are -- i bet you this is my mother. every time you get to the mic -- >> tell your mom is -- mom, your son is okay. your little boy is in good hands. >> make sure that's your mother. >> it's my mother. >> there was a lot of laughter in that moment. it seems like we need a little bit of levity. nice to be able to smile. >> mama always comes first. >> always. >> unfortunately our constituents don't understand that. the commissioner, my colleagues from the city council, great leader, loves his mom. he knows he has to pick that

phone up. >> there was a little laughter in the background. i'm not sure if mom knew she was talking to the governor. there you go. donovan richards -- >> we needed that laugh. >> queens, an amazing borough. thank you for taking the time. >> thank you. we want to go back to yasmin because so much happened in westchester which is just north of new york city. a lot of commuters live there. you were talking about the fact that there were silver linings. one of the silver linings is it's amazing to watch communities come together. i'm guessing that's what's i'm seeing behind you. >> reporter: it is what you're seeing. couple silver linings. j.p., look down that block for folks. con edison is there for folks

who haven't had power. folks in the south have not had power for days. we're hearing some people getting power back. con edison is the main electric company in the area. >> then there is these folks volunteering here and helping people out on the street. >> reporter: you see shop vacs, gloves, masks, food, water, many of the essentials people need to clean up their basements. they need to get water out of their homes. these nice folks here are helping out. if you want to make any donations, come down to hillside and howard and merrimack to give those donations. let me show you more of the area. you know, chris, that the church is a big part of any community. i wanted to show you guys what has happened to this church here. it was really overrun by the

waters last night. a lot of folks gathering outside their church to show support to the church knowing it was completely devastated. tasha was sitting on the steps. she had some tears coming out of her eyes. i saw you get emotional over your church. why is that? >> i love my church. to see this disaster is heart breaking. you know, i don't want to go back inside and look at it. it's a lot. >> did your own house flood? >> the basement is fine. >> have you ever seen anything like this before? >> no. this is -- it's overwhelming. >> how do you expect your church to get back on its feet? >> we leave that up to god. >> i'm hearing a lot of folks say that to me today. tasha, thank you so much. good luck to you and your church. >> thank you. >> reporter: let's go inside.

the water got really high in this area. the church is an example of that. the office of this church -- when i walk in, i can smell dash. >> yasmin, the boxes look wet on the shelf. >> reporter: look at this. look at this water line right here. all the way around the office. just completely done. >> how many feet off the ground do you estimate that is? >> reporter: i would estimate -- it's about shoulders to me. about 5 feet. i'm 5'10". that's about 5 feet. that's on top of the five stairs that i came up. i came up about five stairs and five feet on top of that. we're seeing about 11 feet of water they had in the area. look inside the church here too. the water came into the church here. that's one of the reasons why some of the home ness this area have put themselves on stilts.

they've had so many times flooding. nonetheless, this is the view of this community. from home to home to now church and the volunteers outside. >> bless them. yasmin, thank you for the reporting. the fda and doctors are warning people please do not take a drug used to treat worms in animals as a treatment for covid-19. there are plenty of folks still demanding the treatment. why they believe this misinformation. coming up, you're watching msnbc. best! [music: “you're the best” by joe esposito] [music: “you're the best” by joe esposito] [triumphantly yells] [ding]

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used to deworm pets and live stock. disinformation sites claim it's a covid cure. the fda, even the drug company that makes it warns patients not to take it for covid. despite that a judge in ohio ordered a hospital to administer the drug to a covid-19 patient in spite of the doctor protesting because the patient's wife demanded it. then there's popular podcaster joe rogan who announced he tested positive for covid-19 after doing shows in florida. he's being treated with monoclonal antibodies and he also told his millions of followers he's taking ivermectin. joining me now ben collins who has been covering this for a very long time. so, ben, tell us about ivermectin and why and how this -- these lies about it keep going on. >> to back up, the last year or so to the high -- they're$90 to

give you a prescription. the issue, though, is that now everybody in the anti-vax community wants ivermectin. what are they doing, getting the vaccine which is free, they are going to the feed store to get horse paste which includes ivermectin in it, and that's where it gets dangerous, consuming amounts made for animals that weigh two or three or more times what a human weighs and getting themselves deeply sick. >> for folks who are getting it in the legitimate way, a prescription, here are the numbers that just came out. in an average week before the pandemic there are about 3,600 prescriptions written. it treats things like lice.

now it's about 88,000. so from 3,600 to 88,000 and, as you say, people are overdosing, calls to poison control centers are spiking, can anything be done about this? >> probably not. it's become more of a rhetorical fight for people in the anti-vax community than one about science and medicine at this point. a lot of these people really want something else to work other than getting a shot in part because they believe that the shot contains either a microchip or some sort of cover for government control. so now instead of -- these are the same people, by the way, last year did not believe covid was real in a lot of cases. instead of readjusting to the whole thing and saying, hey, maybe the vaccine does work, they are trying to find alternative therapies. they've seen people in their lives get sick from this or die from this and get nervous when they test positive. they go online. they go to these facebook groups and they're told this works and works quickly but there's no

proof that's actually true. >> to the contrary. it's been shown not to be effective. it's good to see you, my friend. joining me now epidemiologist, i want to get your opinion on this. in this case the fda tweeted you are not a horse, but it hasn't convinced a lot of folks. >> unfortunately, this is not a new trend. we saw this back in the early days of the hiv pandemic where people in south africa, for example, were told beet root and potatoes would cure them of hiv and hiv did not cause aids. during ebola you had people drinking bleach thinking that would cure them or prevent them from getting ebola. these are not new trends that you have this kind of misinformation circulating in the middle of a pandemic.

there is a business model at work here. the doctors group mentioned earlier is selling consultations, is selling medication, so they're propagating this misinformation/disinformation to encourage people to visit their site to purchase their products so they can make a profit. >> there should be a way to take licenses away from folks like that. i have some other stuff in the covid realm i want to ask you about. we're a couple weeks away from the fda holding that key meeting on booster shots just days before the biden administration planned to actually begin the booster shot campaign. with it highly unlikely that we're going to be eliminating covid-19, what do you think americans should expect from the future rollout of covid boosters? >> well, i think you're going to first see the fae fae weigh in on the data here and whether there is an indication for additional doses. and, if so, in whom. i think the white house announcement was really setting the stage for state and local

health departments to start doing the work necessary to prepare in terms of staffing, site supplies, if an additional dose is needed. but as of right now the data would indicate there are three main groups that are -- in whom there is evidence they would benefit from an additional dose, and that's highly immuno compromised people, people who live in nursing homes and the elderly. i think for the general public if you do not fall into those three groups it is not urgent, not indicated for you to get an additional dose just yet. >> so "the washington post" has a report, a very distressing report, that there's a central texas school district that had to temporarily closed because two teachers died of covid-19 in the same week. we don't know if either was vaccinated, but that district does not mandate students or staff wearing a mask because the state's governor, greg abbott, blocked mandates on face coverings in schools. so what do you make of these

challenges facing school districts but also, frankly, parents who, again, are starting to send their kids back to the classroom? >> i think, chris, we're in a really tough situation right now where we're in the middle of this delta surge. you are going to see more transmission occurring as a result of back to school, back to the office in some cases. delta is different. we are seeing kids getting infected, getting very sick, transmitting the virus on ward to other people including, say, adults and back at home. and so i think reopening schools without taking appropriate mitigation measures where kids can get vaccinated if they're 12 and over to do so but also continue wearing masks, test, all of those things need to keep happening. we need to keep doing those things even more now because of delta than we needed to a year ago. >> yeah, i know somebody in texas who actually pulled their

kid out of public school because of this. not everybody can afford to send their kid to private school, right? it's a really horrible situation for a lot of people. dr. gounder, it's great to have you on the program. don't forget we're answering your back-to-school coronavirus questions. email talk @msnbc.com and we'll have our experts answer as many as they can live on friday, tomorrow, at 1 1:00 a.m. eastern here on msnbc. and that's going to wrap up this hour for me. i'm chris jansing. "deadline white house" with nicolle wallace starts right after this quick break. reak and found some really cool stuff... it was just a lot of fun. just to talk to my parents about it and to send it to my grandparents and be like, hey this person we're all related to look at this crazy stuff they did in arizona 100 years ago. it actually gives you a picture of their life, so you get to feel like you're walking the same path they did.

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