for just $27.50 a line. only at t-mobile. hi there, everyone. it's 4:00 in washington, d.c. after an overnight decision by the u.s. supreme court everything has changed. the u.s. supreme court in a 5-4 decision for all intents and purposes has green lit the reversal of roe v. wade not just in texas but potentially all across this country in refuing the block the near complete ban in texas. the supreme court has signaled its approval for what is the most restrictive abortion law in the country. in their 5-4 decision the court let stand a texas law that doesn't nearly ban almost all abortions, even in cases of rape and incest, it also lets private citizens enforce the law by

allowing strangers to sue anyone suspected of helping a woman get an abortion. "the new york times" describes the court's decision like this. quote, the majority opinion was unsigned and consisted of a single long paragraph. it said the abortion providers who had challenged the law in an emergency application to the court had not made their case in novel and procedural question. the majority stressed it was not ruling on the constitutionality of the texas law. it did not need to limit proper challenges to it. justice sonia sotomayor wrote a scathing dissent. the court's order stunning, a flagrantly unconstitutional law designed to prohibit women from exercising their constitutional rights and evade judicial scrutiny? a majority of justices opted to bury their heads in the sand.

sotomayor also describes the texas law like this. quote, in effect the texas legislature has deputized the state's citizens as bounty hunters. offering them cash prizes for civilly prosecuting their neighbors' medical procedures. the biden administration also slamming the court's decision in a statement saying this, quote, the supreme court's ruling overnight is an unprecedented assault on a woman's constitutional rights under roe v. wade, which has been the law of the land for almost 50 years. for the majority to do this without a hearing, without the benefit of an opinion from a court below and without due consideration of the issues insults the rule of law and the rights of all americans to seek redress from our courts. the president also promising a, quote, whole of government effort to respond to this decision looking specifically to the department of health and human services and department of justice to see what steps the federal government can take to ensure women in texas have access to safe and legal

abortions. the court's decision last night is part of a larger battle playing out all across the country right now. if you didn't already know, now you do. 97 laws restricting abortion have been passed in 19 states since january of this year in what is the biggest wave of abortion restrictions since roe v. wade was decided in 1973. the supreme court will take up a case challenging one of those restringses, a mississippi law that bans all abortions after 15 weeks. the supreme court's decision to let the texas abortion law stand and the future of abortion rights in america is where we start this hour. former congresswoman donna edwards is here, "the washington post" contributing columnist and an msnbc contributor. also joining us former acting u.s. solicitor general, now a georgetown law professor and lucky for us an msnbc contributor joins our coverage. and matt dowd is here, founder of country over party. before we dive in, i have been

hearing from people across the country, across my life in politics and news, and i just want all your reactions. donna edwards, you first. >> it is extraordinary, nicolle, at that we have now your neighbor, your co-worker, the person on the street who can now enforce and enforce against you your constitutional right to an abortion. that is what the women of texas face, but it's not just in texas. it really goes to the heart of our constitutionally protected right to an abortion for all women across the country. and the supreme court didn't just punt, they gave away a constitutionally protected right. >> matt dowd, this is your state. you've been calling out its leaders for a long time. with this law i described as a medieval state of affairs. it feels like gender apartheid on the medical front for women. what's going on in texas?

>> well, i woke up this morning and i stayed pissed off, i have to say, and i'm still angry. i didn't think i could get more angry or pissed off what the leadership of the state is doing, the governor and lieutenant governor here. this is one thing which is the worst thing they've done so far but one of many awful things. i love texas but i hate our politics. when you watch this unfold they are appeasing to only 5% of the country and 5% of this state to do this. two-thirds of the state of texas wants to retain roe v. wade as the law of the land. as i was thinking about this and all that's gone on in our country up until today there's a great famous poem quote from a german pastor during the nazi rule, and i paraphrase it. first they came for the immigrants. then they came for the people of color, and now they've come for women. and until we all understand that

when these attacks on the constitutional rights of one part of our population affects all of us, we're not going to get anything done in this. and so, to me, this is a complete example. right now women occupy, what, 160 million, 170 million in this country, 15 million women in texas that now in texas have no other option other than to go out of state to actually practice a constitutional right they have. in the end will this affect wealthy women or parents of daughters who want this to happen? no, they can afford a plane ticket to colorado or new mexico or wherever else they want to go. this will affect not only the most vulnerable women but the population of our country that is the working class, that can't even afford a traffic ticket if they're in the finances they're in. to me another attack, we cannot

take our eye off the ball anymore of the attacks incurring on our constitution and our democracy and texas right now is a bull's eye in those attacks. it is the most craven, cruel stuff you can possibly imagine and it's unfolding before our eyes. >> neal, you and i spoke yesterday before the supreme court weighed in. this feels like the worst case scenario legally. explain what's happened. >> yes, it's 100% right the and your lead-in was totally right. the security has green lit the overruling of roe v. wade overnight. abortion clinics are basically closed to most patients. it will be the green light for other states to do the same things so just to back up for all of our lifetimes basically since 1973, the supreme court

reaffirmed time and again have said there's a right to an abortion that you can get an -- that states can restrict it up until the 25th week of a woman's pregnancy. and roe v. wade, that was the law of the land and has always been until overnight. now what these members of the court, the five justices are saying, you can have this kind of sneak attack on roe by deputiing vigilantes and sue people who help in procuring abortion even an uber driver who drives a woman to get an abortion. they can be sued in any jurisdiction, in any part of texas and face massive, huge fines. this is an end run, a gutting of roe versus wade. >> neal, let me read more from justice sotomayor's dissent. she writes today the court

finally tells the nation that it declined to act because, in short, the state's gambit worked. it cannot be the case that a state can evade federal judicial scrutiny by outsourcing the enforcement of unconstitutional laws to its citizenry. what else does this open the gateway for? it seems if we're going to deputize citizens we're heading down vigilante justice, a precarious moment for a body politic with insurrectionists hailed as heroes. covid vaccines. what she is describing sounds terrifying in the best of times but absolutely deadly at this moment. >> the whole point, nicolle, is to prevent vigilante justice, to have a sense of rules, rights and obligations that can't be taken away by the lynch mob.

we're not going to let state officials enforce this, just your neighbor or anyone down the street can just sue you if they think you had anything to do with an abortion. and the supreme court, five justices, notably not the chief justice, but, you know, the other republican nominees on the court, all said, yeah, that's fine. and here is why that is such a crazy thing. the right is happy about it now. let's say new york passes a law that says everyone who -- anyone can sue anyone who has a gun even in their home even for self-defense, something this supreme court said is protected by the second amendment. we can enable these lawsuits. there's no logical stopping point for this kind of madness and it's fundamentally antithetical to what it is all about. >> if we passed a law saying anyone who doesn't get a covid vaccine before going inside a restaurant or a mask in defiance of a mask mandate can be sued, would this supreme court hold

that up? >> i think the logic of the decision last night is absolutely. now there's questions would they be consistent with their prior principles and so on, but you can cut and paste -- it's a great point. you can cut and paste and apply it to your covid situation and, yeah, we can have these kinds of vigilante lawsuits. >> wow, let's roll. donna edwards, let me show you the white house response. press secretary jen psaki this afternoon. >> why does the president support abortion when his own catholic face teaches abortion is morally wrong? >> he believes that it's a woman's right. it's a woman's body and her choice. >> who does he believe should look out for the unborn child? >> he believes it's up to a woman to make those decisions and up to a woman to make those decisions with her doctor. i know you've never faced those choices nor have you been pregnant but for women out there this is an incredibly difficult thing. the president believes those rights should be respected. >> donna, again, in this moment

male governors in florida and arizona and texas don't want the body to be covered by a four-inch piece of encloses against mask mandates. we're going to reach deep into the uterus of a woman and tell all of them to carry -- 85% of abortions take place after the six-week mark that the texas law bans. what is the real world effect here? >> well, that is the point, right, that you have both in legislators a group of men, namely men on the supreme court making a determination about a woman's choice about her own body, and i think that as matthew has pointed out the danger is not for the wealthy woman who will fly anywhere -- fly to europe, fly to south or central america, fly across the country but for black and brown women, for poor women, for rural women who really won't have a

choice about where they can go or how they can get there in order to obtain a safe and legal abortion. of course we had a time there was not a safe and legal abortion available and a lot of women died and were maimed because of that. and so i just think this is a really dark day, and we are now reaping what the trump court, what donald trump promised on the supreme court was going to be delivered to the american people and especially delivered to women. >> yeah, i mean, matthew, it is like the ex-president reached from beyond his political grave and is still having his way with women in america and it's already happening. south dakota's governor, quote, following the supreme court's decision to leave the pro-life texas law in place, i have directed the unborn child

advocate in my office to immediately review the new texas law and current south dakota laws to make sure we have the strongest laws on the books. south dakota today is trying to outdo texas. where are we heading? >> i was listening to the question that was asked jen psaki's and her response to this and i'm offended by that man's question. i was raised roman catholic, i'm a christian, i go to church every week. the idea these folks think that the word pro-life belongs in their mouth, it ought to be ripped out of their mouth. these are folks that constantly talk about pro-life and want nothing to do with doing anything about guns. want nothing to do with capitol punishment, funding health care of the people that may be born because of this. they're not pro-life. they're pro-birth. the words pro-life of the people that support this are to never

come out of their mouth again. the idea you're going to use faith as an attack on this when the president of the united states and other democratic legislators are trying to protect harm from occurring to half of our population in the midst of this is offensive to me that he would try to use faith as a way when every single other -- taking care of immigrants. they want nothing to do with taking care of immigrants. they want nothing to do with taking care of the population that is hungry or is homeless. they want nothing to do with this but, oh, by the way, we have this special thing that we want to get done. it's offensive to me and democrats ought to push back on this. the gop today is not the pro-life party. the gop today is the pro-autocracy party that whatever they want done is going to get done. it's not going to stop in texas. this will happen after red state after red state and if this is

not enough to get us to fight for this, we have to fight for the rights of every single person. that's fighting for the rights of half the population of the country. >> being pro-choice isn't pro-abortion. there is a successful linguistic turn the right has played here that being for the choice is being for a woman or a girl who has been raped or is the victim of incest to not die in pregnancy or childbirth. the choice is pro-life, too, pro the life of a girl or woman who for medical or socioeconomic reasons can't bring a child into this world and to your point about the republican party being pro-death, they're fitting their own herd, purveyors of covid disinformation and have tragically died.

the right as a pro-life party is dead and gone killed by their own covid lies. >> i think you bring up such a good point, nicolle. as i said, i'm a catholic and i'm a christian and i struggled with this issue all along. i'm pro-life and i'm pro-choice because in the end what i believe is who should make that decision? a very moral decision in some people's mind, granted, yes. probably the toughest decision any woman has to make in her entire life. who should be making that decision? that decision should be made by the woman in consult with their doctor. not by a nonscript legislature out in the middle of nowhere who wants to make that decision so, yes, it is a tough decision. in the end the woman ought to make that decision with their doctor.

>> neal katyal, we talked about texas businesses. let me put up some of the biggest ones. american airlines, southwest, hewlett-packard, at&t, 7-eleven. if you were an employer in texas what kind of reassurance would you want to give your female workforce? >> i want to pick up on something matt said. the majority of people in texas don't support this abortion law. the only way this works is it's hand in glove with voting restriction after voting restriction imposed in texas. it's not just the abortion law. it's in conjunction with their voting practices which are disenfranchising lots and lots of people and making it so a radical few people in texas can control the legislature and women's bodies as well as ultimately the right to vote. this is a sorry state right now,

the state of texas. there are amazing people in it. this is not a point about the people but the way the government of texas is being run now by a bunch of radical, frankly, thugs who don't care about people's rights. >> "the wall street journal" is reporting that an abortion rights house vote is planned by speaker pelosi. i want to show you something elizabeth warren said before the decision had come down. >> this is why congress should step up. let's remember that 70% of americans want to see roe vs. wade as the law of the land. congress could pass roe vs. wade. >> come on, amen. >> everybody out there who is outraged today, help planned parenthood, help those who are trying to help people dealing

with a difficult decision. but, also, push your senators, push your representatives and say it is time that our elected representatives don't just put in judges who are extremists, who don't support -- >> yes, amen. >> -- what most americans want. you get out there, pass the laws, protect roe. make roe the law of the land everywhere. >> donna, support for roe, as senator warren says, consistent from 1995, 60% want it legal and almost all in most cases 2021 is 59% want it legal in all or most cases. if congress chose to act there is overwhelming majority of public support for protecting or putting into law roe v. wade protections. >> absolutely. and i think for at least the last couple of decades as roe has been slowly eroded and challenged, the onus does fall

to the congress, absolutely, to codify roe v. wade. i think a vote not only will happen in the house and i believe will pass the house but i am worried about a senate that is deadlocked 50/50 with people saying they don't want to get rid of the filibuster. here is another thing that really sits in the bucket in the trough of necessary movement on the filibuster in order to get through the senate. i hope this is one that breaks through because otherwise millions and millions of women are going to be left in the lurch. >> should we fast forward to where this is going to get stalled? speaker pelosi will have a vote. fooel, you and i talked about this yesterday as well. and sent filibuster vote reform protecting a woman's right to choose could be the same fate as voting rights legislation, gun

safety legislation, having the support of 60% to 80% of the american public. >> nicolle, i think the difference is here you don't need to have a massive filibuster reform that's across the board or whatever. you can have a surgery thing limited to this case and this decision. here is why. the only reason the decision happened last night is because the republicans nuked the filibuster, the three nominees to the supreme court kavanaugh and barrett. without them breaking the filibuster rules themselves we wouldn't be in this position. none of them got 60 votes. if you can do it for that, and this would be my argument to manchin and sinemas of the world, massive life-time appointments to the supreme court which have now overturned the most important decision in our lifetimes, then you should be able to do it for a narrow piece of legislation that redresses that and restores the

democratic equilibrium support roe vs. wade. >> what do you think the prospects are that an argument to a manchin like that, that you just laid out, would be successful? >> i don't know but the main thing is we have to try. we've been sitting on our hands and we don't even try because we're worried about making these arguments. i think we have to. i think there's principle behind it, logic, and the support of the american people. >> neal katyal, thank you for coming back today and starting us off on this unbelievable breaking news. donna edwards and matt dowd are sticking around. when we come back, what this news out of texas means for real-life women in texas and how it can impact them in many more ways than most of us are thinking about. and the destruction ida has wrought. a wake-up call for change, as though we needed that. record shattering rain. the untold damage to homes, our infrastructure as the death

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turning now to the impact the new normal for women. after texas' new near complete ban on abortion. from the texas tribune women finding out it was too late.

quote, at the whole woman's health clinic in austin, the waiting room was empty by wednesday afternoon. only 12 patients showed up and clinic doctors had to turn away at least three of them because cardiac activity was detected in the embryos. so now they could drive out of the state but the closest drink is now 248 miles on average one way in the middle of a pandemic. 20 times further than it was on tuesday. joining our coverage medical contributor dr. patel, former obama white house health director whose background includes working with women and protecting their reproductive freedoms. donna edwards is still here. doctor, your reaction to what happens next for women in texas. >> it's tragic and

unconstitutional but has been brewing for years. every single turn has been done to deny and strip not just women of their rights but now there's a bounty on the heads of any clinician, any physician or any person who tries to help. i have colleagues who have said thank goodness we left that state and there's a part of me that thinks we need to go back and fight. that will mean probably ending up in jail and that's exactly what we're looking at. i can't believe this is what's happening. >> it has taken this medieval turn. the ability to choose if, when and how to give birth is linked to women's economics.

the states had more restrictions than any other five-year period since roe v. wade 1973. the connection is no coincidence. talk about how these restrictions are dangerous for women's and infants' health. >> no woman, as we've been discussing, undergoes any of this. it just doesn't exist and so any woman a situation where they're thinking about terminating their pregnancy or even just considering options, nicolle, usually from studies that we've done over decades has been in a situation where they know they cannot provide for the family or do not have their own health in order to provide. higher maternal and infant mortality because there are delays and access to care and

because of the laws going on for decades now creating barriers and affordable plans not allowed to cover reproductive health services which has been a flash point in the legal system resulted into 96% with no reproductive health access and we have fewer and fewer doctors willing to give those services because of what happened this past week. >> let me ask you for a brutal truth check here, dr. patel, where abortions are banned, do abortions stop happening? >> we knew of cases of women who had means. if you have the means, you have the ability to drive, you have the ability to find someone across state lines or even in state lines you will. women with no support system and

now no physicians, nurses that can help them through the process. the brutal truth is that we have not just gone backwards, nicolle, my fear is this is the step from which it will be very difficult to come back. you have to have your pregnancy detected in under six weeks, an ultrasound showed and explained to you in a state mandated script and then on top of that look over your back because anybody, any lay person in the same state that thinks telling people to wear masks is unconstitutional can turn you in. i've never seen anything like that. that means people will do things we never want them to do and has a ripple effect for generations not just one woman. it's everyone that follows them. >> hunted women.

this is where we are. >> if you think about a woman who is in rural west texas whether she will be able to drive hundreds of miles in order to obtain a legal abortion, we know that people who potentially could do harm to women are out there and they will just regenerate themselves, will be back to the time in the '50s, '60s before roe v. wade where that is exactly what happened to women and will be back in a situation where a woman no longer can decide for herself when and how and whether she wants to have children that then can lead to her potential economic success making a decision later in life than to have a child. this is an extraordinary thing

that has been done in texas and i just don't think it is going to be limited to texas which is why it frightens me. i have lived as an adult my entire adult life where roe v. wade was the law of the land and generations of women have grown up just like that and this really turns back the dial. >> thank you so much for being part of our coverage. i'm grateful to you both. up next for us incredible water rescues like the city bus in staten island, new york, submerged in the rain last night after the remnants of hurricane ida brought deadly and paralyzing flooding at a shocking pace. we'll talk with the governor of new york about the recovery efforts and how getting everything back up and running will go next. ll go next

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we saw a horrifying storm last night unlike anything we have seen before. suddenness, the brutality of storms now, it is different. this is the biggest wake-up call we could get. >> last night's record-shattering rainfall broke a record literally set one week earlier. that says to me that there are no more cataclysmic events.

>> global warming is upon us. when you get two record rainfalls in a week it's not just coincidence. woe is us if we don't recognize these changes due to climate change. woe is us if we don't do something about it quickly. >> new york's leaders laying out the stakes not just for new yorkers but for all of us after the remnants of hurricane ida swept through the mid-atlantic causing devastating flooding and leaving at least 29 people dead. the quick moving storm which included at least four tornadoes slamming the states of pennsylvania, new jersey and new york. record rainfall led to emergency boat rescues. evacuating people from the rooftops of homes, cars and buses, basements and streets completely flooded out. new york city subway service was suspended. look at these pictures. water poured into the system. the new york fire department says they responded to an overwhelming number of rescue calls from people trapped all throughout the city. joining our coverage is new york

governor kathy hochul. it's a pleasure to get to talk to you. i wonder if you could tell us where we are. are we still in a rescue operation, or have you been able to assess the damage?en ending operation, and it was devastate to go see what new yorkers had to endure last night especially with that one hour from 8:51 to 9:51 when literally the heavens broke open and we saw records shattered in central park and at the airports throughout long island, and i spent the morning assessing the damage, going out and meeting with elected leaders, talking to president biden about our situation, but it's still bad, still streets in the bronx that look like rivers. and i'll be going to inspect those in person as well. i was in queens earlier and long island. we have a community that has been devastated. we're not out of it yet. in the last hour i signed a

declaration requesting support from the federal government for 14 down state counties. president biden said, kathy, whatever you need, we'll get it to you. just tell me and we'll get it there as soon as possible. we're working on that. we're still not out of the effects. it's a beautiful day in new york and what a contrast from a few hours ago, but we're not completely out of the woods yet. >> when new yorkers stop asking leaders like yourself when we'll be back to normal in the covid context and in other ways, but i don't need to tell you back to school is super fraught for new york parents. there still isn't a vaccine for any child under 12. will the subways be up and running before new york public schools go back to school? >> yes, and i want to commend all the transit workers and the mta for what they've done. most of our subways have been restored. we're still working on a few lines on the long island railroad and metro north. overall when you think about it was niagara falls going down the

staircases of our subway just last night, most of the service has been restored. that won't have any effect on our schools. the kids will be fine going back. our communities will be back to normal. you have to give credit to people like a bus driver who i went and thanked because she drove -- pictures of this went viral. she drove with four feet of water not just on the streets but in her bus and there were people clinging to the ceiling on their seats to not be swept away while on the bus. so i went out to the station and thanked these heroes, the bus drivers and the transit workers for doing what they're doing. because they're so dedicated and the tracks are being repaired, i witnessed the work at our local transit workers fixing the railroads. we'll be fine. we'll get it back up and running. i'm not satisfied with a number of things, the response, the early warning system, which i think could have been better. but i will have a full after action report and make sure we're addressing these

challenges not just for today but for the future as well. >> i saw queensborough president describes one of the tragic losses of life, a family living in a basement apartment. based on your comments about climate change being here to stay and never describing anything as unprecedented or historic, will you change the regulations for where people can live if this is the new normal? >> you know, that's what's so sad. most of the loss of life was either someone in a vehicle, and we found some really tragic situations where people were separated and their cars were swept away, but also there's a large number of people who don't just go down to basement because it's the rec room where they will watch tv in the man cave, that's where they live. we need to look at the security of those environments. what has happened is in the past most of our cataclysmic storms were brought by hurricanes or super storms that affected our coastal areas. now we're seeing the rain come

from above, and it's not just affected by wind on our shores. we're seeing unprecedented flash floods in the city. never before have we seen this measure of devastation from the flash floods, and what we have to do is build resiliency in the storm sewers but these people living in basements are vulnerable and that's something i will look at. >> governor, we read a lot about you. we've gotten to know you in the most extraordinary sort of transition to power, but i wanted to ask you -- i know you spent a lot of time in new york state's rural communities and i wanted to read something about the impact of climate change on america's rural communities and ask you about it. climate shocks are pushing small rural communities, many of which were already struggling economically to the brink of insolvency. rather than bouncing back, places hit repeatedly by hurricanes, floods and wildfires are unraveling. residents and employers leave and it becomes even harder to

fund basic services. i wonder if you can speak to the toll that climate change is taking on communities outside of new york city, the things we're maybe not seeing on the news today. >> new york state is the number one grower and a lot of products that we bring to the market and most of america. we have events affecting our farmers. they're a part of our upstate economy. i'm concerned about that and have had a lot of conversations with them. we are trying hard to build resiliency in down towns. we've had small downtowns hours from new york city be swept away with, again, the effects of climate change, when the rivers overflow, we have to build that resiliency. i have trailed every corner of the state. i've been to their downtowns. i have launched many economic

initiatives to get people to stay, to rebuild our downtowns, particularly our small communities and students many of whom go to our local colleges. our suny system is enormous. how do we get the students to stay? you're raising an issue i've been laser focused on for many of my years in public service, and i'm very much aware of the challenges we face. i know how to get the job done. >> governor kathy hochul, thank you for taking the time to talk to us on a day like today. we're grateful. >> thank you very much. much more on this moving from the cleanup at the local level now to what washington can do about it. the race to act on climate and infrastructure is next.

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the past few days of hurricane ida and the wildfires in the west and the unprecedented flash floods in new york and new jersey is yet another reminder that these extreme storms and the climate crisis are here. we need to do -- be much better prepared. we need to act. this isn't about politics. hurricane ida didn't care if you were a democrat or a republican, rural or urban. this destruction is everywhere and it is a matter of life and death. >> president biden urging action on climate change. the country has been rocked by

natural disasters from coast to coast. the devastating wildfires in the tahoe basin, blazes in the west spanning over 200,000 acres, and the massive flooding on the east coast as ida bludgeoned much of the northeast last night. the president called it a matter of life and death. inaction is also a costly one. the center for american progresses mating last year alone climate-related extreme weather cost americans $99 billion, and they say that number is likely to increase as the situation worsens. let's turn to dr. brian tang, atmospheric scientist at the state university in albany. our friend matt dowd is still here. dr. tang, what can be done now? say you have everyone's attention including the one-time naysayers, what can be done now? >> well, as governor hochul said we need to increase our resiliency to extreme weather and climate-change related natural disasters. that involves knowing one's

risks. for instance, with flooding knowing if you are in a high-risk area to flooding, and fortifying our defenses. one of the success stories out of hurricane ida was the improved levy system in new orleans after hurricane katrina, which held up during the intense winds and storm surge and prevented flooding within the city limits itself. >> when you look forward, when you pull the thread forward, it seems to me it has been clear to folks like yourself what is coming and it has been more of the disfunction in our politics prevented us from acting. when you look forward now, what do you see? >> so in terms of heavy rainfall like we saw in new york city last night, which was completely awful and terrible, we can expect more of that to happen. as the earth's atmosphere warms, it can hold more water vapor, more moisture, and that moisture is going to then be causing heavier rainfall events and

hurricanes and summertime thunderstorms. it is not just in the u.s. we have been seeing it around the world, so we can expect that to continue and possibly even get worse. >> matt dowd, there's not equal blame in this country at least for inaction. you had one party, the republicans -- i don't know if they still do this, but wrestling over whether or not it was real. as the governor has said and the president has said, weather doesn't discriminate between which party you were registered for. what do you make of whether this is a moment when we can actually do something, something big? >> well, i don't think we have any choice. >> i'm sorry. let me bring matthew in. >> i don't think we have any choice in the matter because the globe is at stake and it is the planet by which we draw sustenance and live on and our children live on. so we have no choice in this. to me this is a fundamental thing. you're exactly right, there's not equal blame and there's not

both sides on anything close to this issue, which actually both sides have hurt us in getting anything done. there is one side that has listened to science and one side that hasn't. i think this issue of climate change, which in my view is the greatest global threat, and we're about to, we're about to have more deaths in a year in the globe because of climate change than all of the world wars in the last 100 years combined. we're about to face a time when we have more deaths because of climate change. but fundamentally the problem is republicans don't believe in the common good that's affected their covid response, it affects their response to the guns, that affects their response to everything. they don't believe in the common good and they discount science. when you don't believe in the common good and you discount science, we end up here doing nothing about climate change in our time. we are fast approaching, unless we fundamentally do something in the next 12 to 24 months, an irreversible problem that we're

going to be facing this week every single week, and it is going to include droughts. it is going to include deaths. it is going to include freezes. it is going to include all of that. until we elect people that believe in science and believe in the common good we are never going to do anything about this until we do that. >> dr. tang, do scientists see the fires in the west and the flooding in the east as a new normal? i feel like i heard you talk about resistant infrastructure as though we should plan now for this to be the normal for us. >> yes. wildfire scientists and climate scientists agree that the escalation and the extension of the wildfire season is due in part to climate change. and the flooding, the increased extreme rainfall we are seeing in hurricanes, in thunderstorms, is also the fingerprint of

climate change. so we -- it is in our best interests to start taking the steps needed to harden our infrastructure and protect life and property against these natural disasters. >> matt dowd, we started this show talking about your state, and i'm just thinking of your power grid going out, the extreme weather in texas. there's so much control in state and local leaders. what are your hopes that anything will change where you live? >> well, i think local leaders are responding in many ways in the forefront of all of this with integrity. they're responding in on this. they're trying to figure out ways to help their citizens related to climate change. they're doing all they possibly can. they've done it -- we had 700 people in texas die because of the grid, and you know what the state legislators and the gop response to that was? make it easier for corporations to charge consumers more. that was their response to the grid failure in our state. they didn't do anything to buck it up. they didn't make the

corporations do improvements they needed to do. they just made it easier if they were going to do something to charge consumers more. so i think that we have a shot here in texas at electing people in 2022 that actually believe in science and believe in the common good and can do something honest, but we all have to wake up to this and the idea that we're faced with this and there is a huge chunk of gop leadership that wants to do nothing to fix this monumental problem. >> dr. brian tang and matt dowd, thank you both so much for being part of our conversation. the next hour of "deadline: white house" starts after a quick break. don't go anywhere. and our customers rated us #1 for network quality in america according to j.d. power. number one in reliability, 16 times in a row. most awarded for network quality, 27 times in a row. proving once again that nobody builds networks like verizon. that's why we're building 5g right,

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fortunately, they were covered by progressive, so it was a happy ending... for almost everyone. ♪ ♪ i was appalled that you, our country's elected leaders, were victimized right here in these very halls. that attack, that siege was criminal behavior, plain and simple, and it is behavior that we, the fbi, view as domestic terrorism. the problem of domestic terrorism has been metastasizing across the country for a long time now and it is not going away any time soon. hi again, everyone. it is 5:00 in washington, d.c. where discussions and preparations are underway to prevent another january 6th-like event from happening here in the coming weeks. the ap is reporting this. quote, far right extremist groups like the proud boys and oath keepers are planning to attend a rally later this month at the u.s. capitol that is

designed to demand justice for the hundreds of people who have been charged in connection with january's ininsurrection. this is according to three people familiar with intelligence gathered by federal officials. as you heard in the comments from the fbi director just earlier this year, the threat of domestic terror is not going away any time soon. just last month officers here in d.c. were engaged in an hours-long standoff with a man outside the library of congress just steps from the u.s. capitol who claimed to have a bomb. now law enforcement wants to ensure that the upcoming rally taking place on september 18th and called "justice for j-6" is not a repeat of its namesake. the u.s. capitol police tell nbc they are closely monitoring it and that they are planning accordingly. quote, after january 6th we made department-wide changes to the way we gather and share intel internally and externally. i am confident the work we are doing now will make sure our

officers have what they need to keep everyone safe, the chief said in a statement. that word comes as a new court filing reveals the magnitude of the violence and assault suffered by police officers on january 6th. the federal prosecutor in charge of evidence collection efforts for the u.s. attorney's office in d.c. writes this. quote, based on a review of the body-worn camera footage conducted by our office, the footage displays approximately 1,000 events that may be characterized as assaults on federal officers. it is a staggering number, but one that provides an even clearer picture of the trauma endured that day by law enforcement and emphasizes the need for a full accounting of who should be held responsible, which leads us right to the january 6th select committee. in recent days it has issued sweeping requests for records, cementing its bipartisan cred. this morning congresswoman liz cheney was named the committee's vice chair. in the statement announcing her role chairman bennie thompson

said this, her leadership and insights have shaped the early work of the select committee and this appointment underscores the bipartisan nature of the effort. while cheney's work is receiving praise from those across the aisle, her reception within her own party has not been warm. today congressman andy biggs sent a letter to minority leader kevin mccarthy calling on cheney and adam kinzinger, the other republican who serves on the select committee investigating january 6th, to be removed from the gop conference completely. remember, liz was already stripped of her leadership post. biggs wants her out. republican conference meetings are an opportunity for elected house republicans to come together, he writes, and strategize the most effective path to push back on the radical policies of speaker pelosi and the democrats. many of the coming discussions will likely revolve around our defense against the democrats' perpetuating the false narrative that january 6th was an insurrection and how to protect our own from their legally

questionable investigative methods. congresswoman cheney and congressman kinzinger are two spies for the democrats that we currently invite to the meetings despite our inability to trust them. if you weren't in congress, someone would get him help. the slow-motion insurrection and frantic efforts to stave off more violence aimed at police from far-right extremists and supports of the gop is where we start this hour. charlie sykes is here, columnist and editor at large for "the bulwark." joining us, carol leonnig, coy-author of the book "i alone can fix it." and clint watts is knew, now a distinguished research fellow at the foreign institute. lucky for us, all three msnbc contributors. carol, all four of us have covered this. we have talked about this. we have talked about for republicans to turn on law enforcement was one milestone. now to try to purge liz cheney

and adam kinzinger from being republicans in congress is another one. do you think it ultimately succeeds? >> well, i mean already the freedom caucus and republicans that are lined up with that group have basically declared that liz cheney is not a republican. it is funny because i mean clearly her appointment as vice-chairman of this committee was an effort to establish bipartisanship, to show that there are republicans and democrats who care about an attack on democracy, who want to get to the bottom of what led to the insurrection, what fomented it, what role some lawmakers may have had in that fomenting. however, it is not that bipartisan because it is between the democratic party and the old and discarded republican party. many republicans are now dancing to this tune that the insurrection was very polite, despite as you flagged at the top of the show 1,000 felonies

as evidenced in body cam footage of police officers that were there. i don't know how you fight body cam evidence and say that it didn't happen, but 1,000 attacks on law officers, those are each of them punishable by up to ten years in prison. >> i mean, charlie, we're either a country that cares about political violence or we are a country that doesn't care about political violence. i don't know if it works if we're a country where only one party cares about political violence, not just aimed at them but aimed at mike pence. one party doesn't just not care about it but fomenting more. this fellow named madison cawthorn is promoting and warning of blood shed. i will not play it here. quote, the things that we are wanting to fight for, it doesn't matter if our votes don't count, cawthorn said at make on-county republican headquarters in north carolina, because you know if our election systems continue to be rigged and continue to be

stolen then it is going to lead to one place and it is blood shed. it is going to lead to one place and it is bloodshed. here we go again. >> well, look, what is happening is not just simply that they're, you know, revising the history of january 6th, turning people who attacked police officers into political police officers and political martyrs and patriotic heroes. what you are also seeing is this slow-motion normalization of violence, and i think that is what is alarming. this whole sense that if you believe the big lie, then we might be justified in picking up guns and shooting one another. this is one of those slow-motion things that you have been -- that you have been covering here where a political party is -- has begun to accept that fighting might actually literally mean fighting. this double standard is really quite extraordinary that you are seeing right now because you can foment violence, you can try to overturn an election, you can

hang around with white nationalists, you can speculate about jewish space lasers and you are a member in good standing of the republican party. you not only are not punished for that, you actually become a rock star. but if you take your responsibility seriously and you try to find out the truth, then you are subject to a purge. you are ex communicated. so once again you have this double standard starkly there. who is acceptable and who is not acceptable? and here we are writing in 2021 where a madison cawthorn or a lauren boebert or a paul gosar, despite their conspiracy theories and racism, republicans are just fine with them. but adam kinzinger and liz cheney, they're the ones you have to go after. they're the ones who are the traitors. it is an incredible tell. >> i want to get to the extremists coming to the rally with you, clint, in a second, but i want to follow up on something you just said, charlie and i want to ask you this because i think we have to move

on from questioning their motives for killing the bipartisan commission to investigate january 6th because this guy -- what is his name? biggs reveals it. while cheney's work is receiving praise from those across the aisle -- no, this is -- so he says, republican conference meetings are an opportunity for us to come together and strategize in the most effective way to push back on the radical policies of speaker pelosi, and here is the tell. many of our coming discussions will revolve around our defense against democrats' false narrative that january 6th was an insurrection. they say it out loud. >> yes. >> we have to come together as taxpayer funded representatives and talk about pushing the lie that january 6th wasn't an insurrection. that's why they want liz and adam out of the room. we are beyond wondering why kevin set up -- to fail, the negotiated bipartisan commission and then pulled the rug out from under them. they plan to rewrite the history. they have something to hide.

what is it? >> well, they know that this hurts them. obviously what he is saying is he is saying out loud that finding out the truth is going to hurt them and they're invested in the big lie about the election and january 6th. but here is the point. all of this is happening in plain sight in real-time. kevin mccarthy is not, you know, skulking around in the dark. he is issuing statements. they are publicly issuing threats against private companies. if you cooperate with this official, legitimate investigation by congress, we are going to put you out of business. this is a thing about obstruction of justice that we've seen over the last four or five years, that simply because it is done, you know, in broad daylight doesn't mean that it is any less damaging or dangerous. it is going to be interesting to see whether or not the republican party rallies around this. to your question earlier about whether or not they're going to go ahead and get rid of liz cheney and adam kinzinger, you

know, watch what happens with the orange god king down in mar-a-lago. if he puts his weight behind this, does anybody think that kevin mccarthy is going to resist that kind of pressure from the base? there's no indication whatsoever they're going to do this. they're going to do everything possible to discredit this investigation, to obstruct this investigation, and to exile anyone that wants to find out the truth of what happened on january 6th. >> i want to turn to what intelligence is learning in terms of what we know they know. i'm sure they know more than this, clint watts. but the associated press is reporting the planned presence of extremist groups is concerning because, while members and associates of oath keepers and proud boys make up just a fraction of the nearly 600 people charged in the riot, they're facing some of the most serious charges brought so far. those charges include allegations they conspired to block the certification of president joe biden's victory. several oath keepers have

pleaded guilty to conspiracy charges and are cooperating with investigators in the case against their fellow extremists who authorities say came to washington ready for violence and willing to do whatever it took to stop the certification of the electoral college vote. so some of them are facing charges, some of them have turned on one another. it would seem that organizations sort of loosely held together organizations are most dangerous to split into more extreme factions at this moment, and here they come, right? >> that's right, nicolle. after a major traumatic event what we tend to see is a splinter, a break into pieces, and then what you will see is competition to essentially be more extreme. you will have factions that sort of settle down and become more mainstream. you will have other french factions that will excel rate and try to be more extreme. this sort of making a show of yourself is a way to track the most extreme-seeking members to your cause.

september 18th is a vehicle to do that. these are people that are doubling down on it, and we've seen lots of calls for rallies at the federal level, the state level. this is the first one that's gotten a lot of attention for a couple of reasons. one, you have elected officials again like madison cawthorn that are calling for activities in and around september 18th. the next thing is the republicans, at least on their side for the most part, have not pushed this down and said don't exhibit behavior like this. in fact, they've accelerated just like charlie was talking about. so when you see that come together, you see organization, the next thing i look for is, okay, is there the paraphernalia, they're talking about organization, and you do see that on some of the channels, particularly with the proud boys where french chapters of the proud boys are accelerating again. they're not just talking about the nation's capital but talking about state capitals as well. >> you know, clint, we learned after the insurrection, we learned in "the washington post" reporting one of the virginia offices of the fbi had seen this

chatter. what is available in terms of what is happening online where some of these groups talk about these things, or have they gone underground after january 6th? >> it has been a mix, nicolle. some have gone to platforms like telegram, me we, some of the less police platforms that are on the fringe. you do see them going towards those. then you do see them going to private, more closed channels. the trap for extremist groups is it is very hard to radicalize and recruit and hide at the same time. so they have to come out into the open to really keep their movement going. that's where you see these more national sort of organizations, these umbrella organizations of proud boys, oath keepers, 3 percenters where they start to discuss where the loyalties lie. some chapters moderating and saying, hey, we're just a local group that supports gun rights or a men's drinking club, and you see other groups, you know, who are moving toward the

extreme and rebranding. you can see the organization sort of happening. what you can't see, which scarce me the most, are the younger white supremacists who operate in more closed channels. these are groups like the -- they're adam waffen-fringe groups. these are most scary. they're not going to show up at september 18th, but they can show up at a time and location and inflict mass death. i think that's where you will hear director wray talk about there's really two threats there. there's the insurrection kind of threat and then the white supremacist kind of threat, and sometimes they overlap in those online spaces. >> carol, i want to read you reporting in "propublica" that suggests the phase may be phase one, that moving into controlling our elections may be the ultimate goal. "propublica" is reporting this. heeding steve bannon's call, election deniers organize to seize control of the gop and reslap america's elections. they write this. presidential losses often energize party activists and it would not be the first time that a candidate's faction tried to

consolidate control over the party apparatus with the aim of winning the next election. what is different this time is an uncompromising focus on elections themselves. the new movement is built entirely around trump's insistence that the electoral system failed in 2020 and that republicans can't let it happen again. the result is a nationwide groundswell of party activists whose central goal is not merely to win elections but to reshape their machinery. you saw the earliest shape of this effort in the firing of chris krebs, lifetime republican, who guaranteed that our election was, quote, the most secure election in american presidential election history. so what they're dismantling is this system that works to put in place a system that could be manipulated. how do we protect against that? >> well, i'm a reporter, not a political -- that that reshaping of the machinery began basically

on january 8th. all sorts of parties in different states, as opposed to "the times" and many other news organizations have been reporting in real-time, have been working hard to basically limit the amount of people who can vote and make it more likely that votes can be challenged. interestingly, that most likely lower income people or new entrants to the rolls, the voter rolls, can be challenged and rejected. these were things just ironically that donald trump asked various states to do like georgia. hey, can you reject all of the votes where the signatures don't match up exactly right? you know, these are things that he wanted done after the election to try to throw swing states in his direction. the party in different states is completely heeding his call, like a call in response. they are now putting that into effect. as for whether or not there's a way to protect against it, vigilance, i would say, good reporting in those communities and then, of course, democratic

party activists have to do what they have to do. again, i'm not an advocate or an activist. i think disenfranchising people generally is a bad idea and people should be alerted to the incredible alacrity, the pace of this work. >> yes. >> we are in august and so many states have already begun this effort of reshaping the machinery for the most secure election we've ever had. chris krebs was famously fired roughly 48 hours after saying that. >> exactly. and i mean i guess, carol, i didn't mean to put you on the spot as a political actor, but just, you know, how do we as a country accept this? i mean the beauty of our election system is that it is not political, and you are right, the response from the democrats would be to have to push back against what steve bannon is calming on not just republicans, but election deniers, post-fact activists to join it. the other way to protect it is to push back from the other side of the aisle, but that in and of

itself is a fundamental change to the way elections have been administered in this country in terms of covering them in the future. >> absolutely it is a fundamental change, but it is also a fundamental change for us to see the vast majority of the republican party be in support of the president encouraging russian interference in the election. it is also -- >> right. >> -- a fundamental change in the way things happen for russian lawmakers to be supporting those who attack law enforcement officers who protected them on the day that they were fleeing for their lives. i mean it does feel as though the apple cart is more than upset. it feels as though it is floating outside in the river. there is so much that's fundamentally changed, and i think, you know, sadly as a journalist, i think the only thing that can be done is a big light shown on all of the ways in which this is happening, taking the votes out of people's hands, restricting their abilities. but, you know, we're living in

two eco chambers in this country right now, nicolle. you know it and i know it. there is one chamber where no one is listening to what you and i are saying and no one is listening to reporting that's accurate and carefully corroborated. >> that's exactly right. charlie sykes, carolyn, clint watts, thank you for starting us off this hour with difficult truths. when we return the six-week abortion ban in texas is just one step on an assault on individual freedoms and voting suppression all over the country. plus, republicans looking to subvert the will of the people in the state's largest state got bad news today. we will have the latest developments in the california recall election with less than two weeks to go there. one major league baseball team is taking a stand over employees who refuse to get vaccinated. why it could be a good sign of things to come. "deadline: white house" continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere. don't go anywhere. at usaa, we'vd too exclusive.

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overhaul and ban unsolicited ballots. our next calls their attempts an escalation in a battle over the future of our democracy. joining us michigan secretary of the state jocelyn benson. we have talked to you throughout the year about the republican disinformation around the election result, about the war on democracy. it feels like we have our best picture at how broad the effort is, and i wonder your thoughts and reflections on this last week? >> i think this has been a tough week. it has been in some ways a demoralizing week to see the extent to which a minority of lawmakers, of justices, of others will go to silence and work in contrary to the will of the majority. that's happening in multiple different ways and it is having multiple ramifications, but the bottom line is we live in a democracy where the best way we can ensure that the rules of the game and the policies being made

that affect everyone are the best policies possible, is to have all of the people's voices at the table and represented. that's what democracy is about. we now see in reaction to this high turnout election in 2020 real attempts to in michigan work through a loophole to overturn the very policies that the majority of voters have embraced to ensure we have such high turnout and levels of engagement in michigan. >> tell me what the fight is in michigan. i mean we have covered the fight in georgia, which was essentially a steamrolling and a real effort to enact everything that the ex-president had wanted done in november of 2020. in texas there was resistance from the democratic state representatives who came here to washington but, ultimately, again a steamrolling. what is happening in michigan feels more like two sides pushing against each other. is that accurate and tell us what is happening? >> in michigan we have a

democratic governor who vowed to veto anything that makes it more difficult to vote or administer voting in michigan. noting that, there's an attempt to work around that by gathering the signatures about 4% of the voting-age population, about 300,000 citizens, to enable the legislature to adopt new laws that make it harder to vote in michigan and harder to administer elections without having to seek a governor's signature. now, also in michigan we have constitutional protections for things like the right to vote from home, and those constitutional protections were enacted by a majority of voters on 2018 on both sides of the aisle. so now the conflict really is between the majority of voters who say they want options to vote and to vote securely and a minority of lawmakers who are trying to undermine those rights. the bottom line is that it is also a conflict between truth and lies. what we've seen throughout this year, an effort to either rely on the truth that our democracy

works, that it is secure, that the high turnout we saw last year was actually a great success, and an effort to deceive voters by overturning the results of the election and now deceive voters into potential overturning the policies that enable us to have such a successful election in 2020. >> we talk about the folks pushing these laws based on the big lie. we talk about the people pushing back in the political arena. we don't talk enough about the kind of folks you met with yesterday, election workers who are facing unprecedented threats to their lives and their reputations and their safety. talk about your efforts to stand by them and bolster them in michigan. >> i think we have to remember that on the front lines every day in michigan and around the country are thousands of election administrators who are simply working to ensure that every voter, regardless of where they live or who they vote for, has an election system that they can rely on and votes that they can be confident are counted

securely. so it is inspirational to work with this bipartisan/non-part son election of professionals, but what it underscores is how they are exactly who we should be listening to when we are talking about policies to run elections. what is happening in michigan and around the country is that partisan lawmakers are not listening to orb even talking to the folks on the front lines running our elections to say, what can we do to better secure our democracy or improve its accessibility. they're overriding their interests, they're overriding what they said they want and instead enacting their own partisan interests which will ultimately make it more difficult for the professionals to do their job and guarantee a fair and accessible democracy for everyone. >> i'm sure it comes as no surprise to me, we reported on a "propublica" piece that a now-pardoned steve bannon is pushing and that is for proceed

proceed -- proponents of the big lie, they now plan to run big lie purveyors as election workers and in some of these posts where they could influence the administration of elections. can you talk about the danger that poses? >> yeah. this is the issue that i think to me keeps me up at night the most. i mean we can work to ensure that we're protecting the security of our elections and ensuring their accessibility, that everyone can vote, even if it is harder to ensure everyone can vote with these draconian policies that are being passed. one of the reasons democracy prevailed in 2020 was because good election administrators on both sides of the aisle did the right thing. they protected everyone's voice and the results of the election even if they disagreed with them. what could happen in 2024 if these efforts you just mentioned are successful is that the very people that we need guarding our democracy could be replaced by

individuals who are willing to allow partisan agendas to drive the determination of how election results are protected or administered. if we -- if that happens, then we are in a very serious position where it is easier for partisan officials who don't like what the results of the people's will to simply block and overturn the people's will and impose their own. if that happens democracy dies. i'm going to do and i know others are going to do everything they can to fight against that, but here is the thing. the thing that has kept democracy alive throughout the history of our country has been good people stepping up and staying engaged. the thing that ensures it will wither on a vine is that people check out and don't try to defend it. every viewer on your show, every individual regardless of party affiliation needs to step up at this moment and speak out in defense of the democracy, in defense of the election administrators who work to protect everyone's vote. if we do that and support administrators who put people

first above party, we have a chance of protecting our democracy and ensuring it remains alive in our country. >> we appreciate your bluntness. if that happens democracy dies. michigan secretary of state jocelyn benson. thank you so much for spending some time with us today. when we come back -- >> thank you. >> -- a little bit of good news for democrats hoping to beat back a highly unusual attempt by republicans to remove a sitting governor. that story is next. a sitting governor that story is next mission control, we are go for launch. ♪♪

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vote no on this republican-backed recall for no other reason than this. the starkest contrast between myself and all of the folks on

the other side is their support to end the mask mandate and to end the vaccine requirements. the leading candidate, larry elder, his model is texas and florida and mississippi, and i hope people pause and consider the life and death consequences of that decision. >> california governor gavin newsom laying out just what is at stake with less than two weeks left until his state's recall election, leaving nothing to chance. recent polling shows support to keep governor newsom in office climbing, 58% of likely voters saying they will reject the recall, and just 39% say they will vote yes. 538 shows the battled governor barely above water with 52% opting to keep him in office. joining our conversation is political reporter for "the los angeles times" and my long-time friend, carla, who is senior writer for "politico's" california playbook.

carla, i have to start with you. what is going on? larry elder isn't like a squishy california republican. let me read what was written about him in "the new york times." he opposes minimum wage, abortion rights and vaccine and mac mandates. in '08 he called climate change a crock. he has a long history of breathtaking misogyny. he argued that women tend to vote for democrats over republicans because, bless their hearts, they're not as well informed as men. women know less than men about political issues, economics and current events. good news for democrats. i used to know california but the idea we are even looking at polls like that blows my mind. what is happening? >> i mean, look, larry elder has been a gift to gavin newsom in this recall, nicolle. you know, democrats were hitting the panic button back in mid-august when the polls showed this to be almost a dead heat. now the latest polls are very much in his favor, 19 points. it is now a referendum not on

gavin newsom. it is a referendum on covid as you mentioned. his handling on covid. he has been able to contrast with larry elder and all of the republican candidates who want to roll back the mask mandates, the vaccine mandates, at a time when california is doing very, very well, a quarter of the positivity rate of texas, and it has administered more than 18 million shots, more than any other state. right now it is all about delta, the delta variant, and gavin newsom is using that and aiming straight at larry elder and the differences in these two candidates. >> seema, my sense is that polling on recalls is not a perfect science. polling is never a perfect science, all three of us know that. >> right. >> but what is the trend line that makes the governor confident now and is there any risk that it shifts? >> right. polling is really, really hard because it is an election unlike any that we've ever experienced before. first of all, every californian

got a mail-in voting for voting in september when people are just finishing up for summer vacations, sending kids back to school, you don't have a history for voting at this time so polling is difficult. the poll that came out today was certainly good news for the governor in terms of what appears to be a growing gap and greater enthusiasm among democrats than we've seen before. the other thing we've seen in the vote by mail that has come in, it has 20% more for the governor. young voters and latino voters are voting at far lower rates than he needs. every time it is not a presidential election these are groups it is difficult to turn out. i think we will see the campaign focusing on getting them out in the coming weeks. >> carla, how does covid change the way they campaigned in a state like california that is so dependent on -- i don't know, maybe florida has as many media markets as the state of california. how are they campaigning? >> mean when you talk about a

state with 40 million people, we watched gavin newsom come to san francisco today. he is going to his base, but, yeah, they're doing it with masks on. they're doing social distancing. that sort of image, those optics are what gavin newsom is counting on because right now california's polls show that people are overwhelmingly approving of how he's handled the vaccine, how he has handled requiring masks and proofs of vaccine and doing things like requiring -- being the first state in the union to require every school, public and pricht, to do masks and vaccines. those are the kinds of things making the difference i think for him right now. i mean as seema said, there's a lot of variations here in california, and when you talk about the media markets it is very, very -- it is a huge state, but newsom has more money than all of the other candidates combined. he has about $70 million in the bank. he can afford to go on the air and do most of his campaigning right from the tv set and

online. that is exactly what they're doing. >> seema, can you explain larry elder's sort of -- what is his support? where is his support -- >> sure. >> he doesn't seem like, even for the rare republican, he doesn't even seem like the kind of republican that california's republicans would embrace. >> well, the california republican party as it has shh rank has changed. it has gotten more partisan. it has gotten more hard core right. people like to think california is such a blue state and it is, however, president trump got 6 million votes here. there are a lot of conservative republicans in this state, and larry elder, i mean a lot of the other candidates are simply not well-known because it is such a big state, such a big media market, they can't afford the ads they need to. so kevin faulconer is former mayor of san diego, i think the average californian has no idea who that is. larry elder was on the radio, nationally syndicated for 30 years. republicans know him, they know his voice and know he is outspoken and brash.

so he had the built-in name id the others didn't have. >> seema and carla, you can take the california girl out of california but i never stop reading your coverage. great to talk to you today. thank you so much. we will stay in touch with both of you. >> thank you. when we come back, how sports is once again showing us what the future of fighting the pandemic and pandemic living might look like. we'll explain after a quick break. named america's most reliable network by rootmetrics. and our customers rated us #1 for network quality in america according to j.d. power. number one in reliability, 16 times in a row. most awarded for network quality, 27 times in a row. proving once again that nobody builds networks like verizon. that's why we're building 5g right, that's why there's only one best network.

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in mid-august the washington nationals made a pretty big decision, telling employees, the nonplaying ones at least, they had two weeks to provide proof of vaccination of at least a first shot or some kind of medical exemption for not doing that. well, now it would appear time is up. already we are seeing the consequences. "the washington post" is reporting this. quote. the washington nationals are undergoing a staff shake-up after mandating a vaccine requirement for nonplaying employees including the impending departure of long-time front office adviser bob boone. the nationals also told eight scouts their contracts will not be renewed for next season. this according to multiple people familiar with the situation. two of those decisions, based on an unwillingness to comply with the vaccine mandate. meanwhile, the nfl begins its season a week from tonight with its own covid protocols. unvaccinated players are shouldn't to strict daily testing and run the risk of team punishment, a breakout among

unvaccinated players could result in that team having to forfeit a game. let's bring in our coverage, mike schmidt, "new york times" washington correspondent and msnbc contributor. you have covered baseball. tell me what we see and don't see about how baseball has dealt with the vaccine requirement, not just among their front office staff but among their players. >> so there is about 15% of the game, of players that do not want to get vaccinated, and baseball has really struggled to get these folks to take the shot. now, that problem has extended to some front offices where folks like boone or scouts or such have not wanted to get the vaccinations. the nationals have been the team at the forefront of, you know, leaning forward on, you know, fighting the virus. they have required these vaccinations. they have really tried to encourage their players to do

this. their politics, these are not trumpers. the lerners, the family that runs the team, if you recall set up the arrangement for fauci to have the attempted failed first pitch he threw out in the middle of the pandemic. >> yes. >> so the lerners are folks that have really leaned forward on this issue, to the point that they are going to lose a front office person because of that. that is sort of remarkable in baseball, that it has come to that. you know, 85% of players are vaccinated but there is that significant percentage that won't go along. >> there's some reporting that in workplaces no one is safe until 90% are vaccinated. dr. ashish jha made that claim in "the new york times" today. i wonder what is holding baseball back from mandating it for all players. is there a sense that some believe -- i mean why not require it for 100% of players and staff? >> in baseball it is a collecting bargaining issue. there's a union that represents

the players and the owners are convinced and know that the union would not accept a vaccine mandate for the players. so there is only so much that the commissioner's office feels like they can do on this issue. one thing that is to know that in preparing for r this today, i spoke to some folks in baseball, when they have clusters and outbreaks in players who are vaccinated and breakthrough cases. there has always been and most cases a player who's unvaccinated, who's part of that group. so it led some in baseball to believe the problems they had when they have had clusters are because there was at least one unvaccinated player on a team. >> did the fans know who the unvaccinated players are? are there big name in baseball unvaccinated that don't want their fans to know? >> players refuse to answer this

question, they have cited hipa even though hipa does not required to answer a question about this. they refused to take this on publicly because they know this sort of blow back that it may come with the issue. we saw in the past few days and incidents where two famous pitchers, those are commentators for the mlb network, they were kicked out of the studio, they were told they had to be vaccinated by a certain date and they were not vaccinated. these were two pitchers really a face in the game especially smalls who does commentaries on the national games that are on fox. they have refused to take the vaccination and because of that can't be in the studio with other folks on the mlb network for their commentary. >> i wonder, you know, the nfl seems to be taking a hard

er line than baseball. this is the head coach talking about cutting vaccinated players. everyone was considered part of the production, let's talk about this, also, is he vaccinated or not. can i say it is a decision maker, it is certainly a consideration. is this a disadvantage for some of the commentators, is this a disadvantage for players not to be vaccinated, are they viewed as higher risk, do they have to be better? >> well, i am not sure how cut and dry the issue is. baseball has had an issue for many, many decades with its players union where baseball feels it can only go so far to compel players. this was an issue 20 years ago when they tried steroid testing. there was intense negotiations and eventually the owners really had to push with the help of congress and a lot of outsiders along with way pressuring them to do this, to get player tested. my sense in this case is the

commissioner's office says well, if you don't want to get vaccinate, that's your fault and problem. there is only so much we can do about that. only so much that we can fight to force you to do that. if you test positive then that's your problem. that is my sense at this about how the commissioner's office views this issue and how far they are willing to go to get all of the deaths from 85% to 100% vaccinations. >> 85% is still well beyond the american public. mike, thank you so much for spending some time with us for this quick new story. quick break for us, we'll be right back. ry quick break for us, we'll be right back

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