across -- you saw the high tension stuff going down across mississippi like it did once in the delaware river which is a hell of a lot wider than the mississippi river. so we have to -- it seems to me we could save a whole lot of money and a whole lot of pain -- pain for our constituents if we build back and build it back in a better way. and it will create -- i realize i'm selling as i'm talking, to, it will create significant good, paying jobs. not $15 an hour jobs, but jobs at prevailing wag and generates economic growth. i hope we don't go about deciding -- you and i talked a lot about it, the levee system and the one the federal government did. that was a lot of money, but think of how much money it saved. how many lives it saved. i hope you'll think about that.

so when you hear the word resiliency, i know the energy guys know this, it's about making the systems from our transmission of energy straight through to the highways we're building, the bridges, resilient to the change that we're seeing happening. sorry, i won't interrupt like that again. i just hope you take a look at it. tell me if we need more or less, too. >> thank you, mr. president. i think with that, it's a great way to segway to our fema administrator. >> thank you. mr. president, governor, in addition to some of the numbers you mentioned, we have about 1,200 responders from the federal family on the ground. that doesn't include those back at the national response coordination center as well as our regional response coordination center. representing 22 different federal government agencies. we have right now, 197 ambulances that have been actively engaged in trying to

help with managing the support for the health care system. we also have 12 mobile communication units, coms have been down, so we sent them into the parishes to help increase the communications until the cell towers come back up. i would like to mention we did just turn on the transitional sheltering services program. the governor asked for that yesterday or the day before. now individuals that are displaced can stay in a hotel for short-term while we're looking at what the long-term lodging situations are. if they have not registered, if people in the communities have not registered yet, they should reach out for assistance. those have registered, we will reach out to them automatically. we turned on the blue roof program. we saw some of the blue roofs as we flew in today. they can go to blueroof.us. we'll have that to help with temporary roofing repairs. the last thing i'll mention,

responder lodging is a concern. i heard that from you, governor and some on your staff. we are moving responder lodging into the areas. we have 200 beds already set up here in new orleans or in new orleans at the airportment we have 300 more en route to morgan city. we have 300 en route to another city and bringing in a cruise ship to help responders. this is not just for federal responders but also for first responders as well. we're actively looking at additional lodging for those who need to stay close and support the communities. this is just the beginning. we'll be here until your recovery -- >> not going away. >> mr. president, before i recognize our host, parish host, as we looked at those blue roofs, i think this is important for the country to know, as our federal program gets up and running, we provided blue roofs, but a lot of those roofs are because the people of louisiana

decided to get on their roof, put up a tarp, mitigate their damage and start that recovery process immediately. so the fact that you were able to get those -- >> you're watching president biden receiving a briefing from local and state leaders in louisiana in the wake of hurricane ida striking the area earlier this week. leaving nearly 1 million people without power. he's hearing what efforts are under way to help with the recovery. he's also using this as an opportunity to pitch his infrastructure plan in the weak of so much flooding and so much damage caused by this tomorrow. we'll keep this coverage going as we continue this afternoon. people on the gulf coast will likely spend this labor day weekend cleaning up the damage left behind by ida's destructive journey across the eastern half of the country. president biden is in the town of laplace, louisiana where he's getting a briefing from state and local officials on the

devastation left behind by the storm. later he's expected to get a firsthand look of the devastation in a hard hit neighborhood there. this comes as people across the region face long lines for grocery, ice, fuel, water and other necessities while continuing to deal with intense heat and the lack of power and running water. there may be some hope as the largest power company says they hope to have electricity restored by the middle of next week. ida is also blamed for at least 49 deaths in the northeast. roughly half of them in new jersey alone. flooding is still a threat across the region as several rivers are above flood stage. people returning to areas where floodwaters have receded are coming across heartbreaking scenes like this one here. here's what one couple whose home was destroyed had to say to gabe gutierrez earlier today. >> you guys are coming back here for the first time. did you ever imagine it would look like this?

>> no. i'm in shock. >> you made a decision to leave this house for one big reason. what was that reason? >> our baby. >> you have a baby. 4-month-old. >> 4-month-old lila. >> if you didn't have her, you may have tried to ride this out. >> may have stayed and been rescued the following day. ida's remnants spawned seven tornadoes in pennsylvania and new jersey. most powerful, an ef-3 with winds of 150 miles per hour touched down in southern new jersey. joining us to start off our coverage is gary in mullica hill, new jersey. 20 miles south of philadelphia. yasmin vossoughian is in manville, new jersey, about 40 miles southwest of new york city. and morgan chesky is in louisiana right now. morgan, we'll start with you. the president is in that

briefing right now with local and state officials. soon he is going to visit a neighborhood in the town of laplace outside of new orleans. what is the president going to see when he gets there? what he's likely to see is a miserable site. as we speak, there are still streets under water there. we know those winds have lessened somewhat by the time it hit laplace, but the water wreaked so much havoc in that community and we're still very much in an active recovery mode right now. there are still upwards of hundreds of thousands of people left in the dark. we do know that here outside of new orleans, one of the main providers says the power will come back on in the city of new orleans by september 8th. consider the countless communities closer to the gulf that are left with limited food,

water, fuel and still without power indefinitely. that is what the president is likely to witness when he travels through laplace and some surrounding areas here. we have no definite timetable on when some major relief will get to these areas. we heard from officials who said while the state did give them some help in the past couple of days, it's been a little water, a few tarps and that doesn't go where it needs to for the long road to recovery ahead. this was an incredible storm that will be remembered for many years to come. not only bringing the 140-mile-per-hour winds but just putting so much rain into those communities that have now been left flooded and left countless homeless. >> looking at video there when president biden arrived in louisiana speaking with both republican senator cassidy and democratic governor edwards. yasmin, in the northeast it's

been a tough 48 hours or so for manville. i've been watching you reporting all day long. each time you're in a new location shining a light on another tough tragic story. they've been dealing with historic flooding and several building explosions. what's the situation there right now? how are people coping with everything that happened? >> so we're trying to get a lay of the land here in manville. there's a lot of different areas that were affected by the flooding here of the last 48 hours or so. one of the reasons is because this town is surrounded on three sides by two rivers and a stream. so every time they have a lot of rain and storm, those areas of water, those bodies of water overflow and then, of course, you had that pounding rain for two hours straight from ida. that's what caused such massive flooding. a lot of the folks here have seen significant flooding in their homes. this man's home was flooded four separate times but he has never seen anything as bad as this.

vinny, walk with me inside. i want to show folks your home. we've been doing this all day. showing people the inside of homes of people that have been totally ruined, totally demolished because of this flooding. it's important for folks to see -- you got it, tim? i will give tim a bit of help up the steps. it's important for folks to see the destruction that is left by these high floodwaters. one of the reasons why is because the water just got so incredibly high. vinny was recounting to me -- come over here, i want you to tell them yourself, you knew ida was headed this way. >> right. >> but why didn't you evacuate? >> in the past, we were given notice ahead of time, days notice that there's a storm coming. this one came so fast. the only warnings we received were to shelter in place, watch out for flash floods. we know flash flooding is streets and bridges, things like that.

it just came super fast. the worst i've ever seen it. >> how did you guys get out? >> by kayak. i borrowed a kayak from one of my friends, when it was up to my knees, it was time to go. >> you got your girls and wife out? >> two daughters and my wife. >> when were you able to come back to the house? >> this morning. >> what was your reaction? >> it's devastating. you lose everything. every flood you lose all your belongings, all your photos. you can't have any valuables. they just go. >> let me ask you, what now? are you going to stay in the house? will you try to recover and rebuild? >> i'm not sure at this time. i'm hoping that this time the government will come in and buy them out. >> condemn the house. >> condemn the house, plant some trees and make it a park and call it a day. i don't know how much more structural with the pressure these walls can take without it imploding.

my neighbor's house, his foundation imploded. he can't live in his house ever again. >> that's astounding to me that vinny just said he wants his house condemned. how many years have you lived here? >> 20 years. >> because it's just unlivable. they flooded so many times. this has been the worst of the worst. what would you do if the house is condemned? >> if they could pay off my mortgage, i could move on. >> has fema been helpful in the past for you? >> yes. they provide you with -- you have to go out of pocket first for hotel accommodations, food, clothing. but then you hand in your receipts, you recoup what you lost as well as your insurance company. >> so sorry. >> thank you. >> thank you for letting us in your house. we'll swing around here. i'm sorry, i'm making it more complicated than tim would like. let's step out on to this balcony for one second. i won't step down. i want to show you. they walked out of here, they walked out of here and the water was already up to their knees,

right? >> up here in my knees. >> here? >> up to my chin. >> at that point they had to get on a kayak to evacuate. he said this jaguar sitting here, they had to ride the kayak over the jaguar. you wouldn't have known a car was sitting there. much of what i've been seeing is twofold. the bigger conversation is why does this continue to happen? something needs to be done to change to make sure communities like this are not experiencing this flooding and what do folks like this family do next? where do they go? how do they recoup what they lost? thank god they have their lives and loved ones, but, of course, their belongings just basically ruined. one other thing i want to say, listen to morgan down in louisiana, this storm has been so expansive.

sometimes we see harvey hit texas, maria hit puerto rico. this one hit and hit and kept hitting all the way up. it's incredible to see the damage it caused. >> we started the week talking about ida in louisiana and mississippi, midway through the week we're talking about it in the northeast causing incredible damage in all those places. yasmin, thank you for your reporting and thank you to vinny and his family. gary, i want to turn to you. you're in new jersey, in addition to causing historic flooding in pennsylvania, new jersey, new york. ida's remnants spawned seven tornadoes in pennsylvania and in new jersey. the strongest one touched down where you are. what kind of help are people in mullica hill getting and what challenges are they facing as they try to recover? >> joe, residents are now on day two of picking up the pieces literally one by one of their lives. look at what's behind me here. we have the baby's crib. that was on the second floor of

this house. there is no longer a second floor of this house. we have tvs, a ti84 calculator sitting around. everywhere you look around this neighborhood there's damage and peoples belongings just all over the lawn. but the one silver lining to all of this, as you mentioned, is the help that's coming. the community here has been coming all morning. they've been going door to door asking can i help? can i bring lunch for you guys? do you need help picking things up? do you need garbage bags. the outpouring of support has been incredible to watch. this is happening from people who live around the area not impacted by this tornado that rolled through this neighborhood. it was an ef-3 tornado. 150-mile-per-hour winds. as you can see, this is the damage that it caused. but it also -- there was the local businesses and local stores that are coming by. there was recently a sub shop that came by with boxes full of subs for folks. the community is getting together. here's what the woman who lives

here, who is a few months pregnant with a new daughter, here's what she had to say about the outpouring of support. >> i mean, people i guess are giving out my venmo every few minutes. people are just giving us money. i don't know how to thank these people. if you're listening to this, thank you. i have to pay it forward somehow. i don't know how we will ever do that. it's not just me. it's all of us in the community. >> that outpouring of support is also coming from the federal government and the state government as well. governor phil murphy here in new jersey announced a $10 million grant program for small businesses impacted both from the flooding but also from the tornadoes and the governor also announced today that the white house and fema has approved their federal emergency authorization, which means they get aid in terms of financial money, but also aid in terms of the equipment that needs to come to clean all of this up. joe? >> they can't get that aid fast

enough. gary, thank you to you and yasmin and morgan for their reporting. in the densely populated northeastern section of new jersey, this historic flooding poses tough challenges for cities on the road to recovery. for cities where infrastructure upgrades were already needed, the severe weather only makes the calls for aid more urgent. joining me now is the mayor of elizabeth, new jersey. this time yesterday your city's death toll stood at four people just in your city. has that gone up at all? do you expect an increase in the death toll? >> no, it has not. the four victims that succumb to the flooding are the only people who lost their lives. i checked with the president of the hospital, there were no injuries. our major loss outside of the tragedy of human loss is extensive property damage in basements as well as 600 people that remain without a home today. we have successfully in the last

48 hours placed all of those folks in hotels or other living space and we're now waiting for federal vouchers in order to move people into temporary housing outside of this federally subsidized housing complex. >> for those 600 people, how quickly do you expect to get that money so you can get them into a better place and what's the long-term solution for them? >> the long-term solution are vouchers. i have spoken with hud representatives in washington, d.c., as well as senator menendez, senator booker. we all worked together. 275 units, at least one voucher for every unit. and that process will begin next week hopefully when the units are approved. our struggle is finding vacant housing because of the eviction moratorium that exists in new jersey. people that have not been able to move anywhere due to the

covid situation. it's a process. as of tonight, everyone will be in a hotel room and at least have safe accommodations. >> that's at least good to hear for now. this morning you were speaking and you mentioned flood mitigation was done in this area in the '60s and '70s by the army corps of engineers which was expected to provide protection for about 50 years. it's been about 50 years, the clock has run out. now what? what do you need as these storms become more common? >> the flooding that occurred 50 years ago was just a matter of overflowing the banks of the river. now that we have a cement flume, the current and the raging river becomes that much stronger and that's why the quickness of the flood that engulfed the people who were on the ground floor apartments perished. going forward, the structure and

climate change and issues of construction north of the site will continue to cause a problem for neighbors. hopefully in the future, if we're having flash flood warnings, people will heed those warnings and get out of low-lying areas. >> mayor, thank you so much for joining us. we're thinking of your city as you continue to recover. >> thank you. u.s. added just 235,000 jobs last month, far fewer than experts had expected. one of the big reasons for the slowdown, the delta variant. we'll break down those numbers with more people heading back to work and kids going back to school. we could see a new wave of covid infections this fall. what role the delta variant will play in that next. you're watching "msnbc reports." hearing is important to living life to the fullest. that's why inside every miracle-ear store, you'll find a better life.

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it looks like the delta variant is having more of an impact on the health of the economy. the labor department says employers added just 235,000 new jobs in august. that's well below what experts were expecting and far below the average of 1 million new jobs created in june and july. the unemployment rate fell to 5.2%. the u.s. still has 5 million fewer jobs than before the pandemic began. before he left for louisiana, president biden acknowledged the delta variant is impacting

hiring. the jobs report was not as good as he was hoping for but he argued his economic plan is still working. >> the measures we've taken so far have brought america out of an economic freefall, steadied us and enabled us to grow our economy even as we continue to combat covid. while i know some wanted to see a larger number today, so did i, what we've seen this year is a continued growth month after month. >> joining us now to take a closer look at this is diane swann, chief economist for grand thornton and an adviser for the federal reserve. what does this jobs report tell us about how the delta variant is affecting the economy and where within the job market is it having the biggest impact? >> we saw the imprint of delta all over it. the hiring in the leisure and hospitality sector flat-lined. increases at amusement parks

were offset by losses at restaurants and bars. retail hiring got cut and health care employment actually fell. elective surgeries were put on hold again. that's going to compound some of those losses. the biggest losses in health care since the onset of the pandemic have been in nursing homes, which, of course, were hardest hit by the pandemic early on. we had declines in that sector in 17 of the last 18 months. >> so what does this tell us moving forward? can we expect things to look different or just like this over the next couple months or so? >> sadly over the next couple of months we have covid and climate change colliding in terms of the employment situation. and the disruptions created by delta variant around the world. many emerging markets, developing economies that are key to our global supply chain that escaped earlier waves of covid succumbed to delta. we've seen gm announce they'll idle a lot of plants in

september. that will hurt manufacturing employment. but then the effects of hurricane ida and the flooding from the south to the northeast. in the wake of hurricane katrina, we saw two months of really weak employment as a result of hurricane katrina and this is larger in scope and intermingling with the delta variant. as schools reopen, they are forced to quarantine again as we've seen in some states and in some places actually go back online. that's particularly hard for workers that are now losing support as of september 6th. and unable to rejoin the labor force because they happen to be single parents. >> this all comes days before that extra $300 a week in federal unemployment benefits expire. a number of states stopped offering those over the last couple of months thinking that might push people to get back to work. is there any evidence that that's what happened, that people went back to work? >> there's very little evidence, especially when you look at

states of comparable sort of employment composition that the stopping of those supplements got people to go back to work. a lot of the hurdles we're seeing in getting people back to work is commute costs or they're living in areas where the jobs are not, in urban centers where offices are being closed longer or that were once opened are being closed again and they're not getting the support services in those areas. it's harder to commute from those areas to where the jobs are in the suburbs or in vacation hubs. we've seen vacations get canceled. so all of this complicates the whole issue of losing those benefits at this stage of the game, the timing of the delta wave couldn't be worse because fiscal stimulus is fading. as we saw last year, that got us to nearly going into another double-dip recession. >> that's the worry. a lot of people lose their benefits but also can't get a new job. diane swonk, thank you for

joining me. joining me now is dr. megan raney, she's a professor of emergency medicine. i want your reaction to the news on the jobs front. i know you're a doctor but not an economist. but it seems the delta variant is keeping some from going out to eat, maybe planning vacations. really getting back fully back to normal. should people be pulling back on these things and will this be a bigger issue as we head into the fall. >> let's be clear, the bedrock of a healthy economy is a healthy population. we're seeing that in such stark relief right now. we saw a drop in jobs in march of 2020 before we even had national lockdowns due to covid. what we're seeing now is a result of delta variant taking hold, people are pulling back. people are hesitating to go out and do things and people are afraid to go back to work. now, what am i telling people to go out and do right now? if you're vaccinated, it's okay

to go out and about. it's okay to travel. but take a little bit extra caution. make sure you're masked. don't go to large indoor get-togethers where people might be unvaccinated. and maybe put off some activities that you've been thinking of doing in states that have high surges right now. >> let's talk about boosters. the "new york times" reporting that health officials have advised the white house to scale back plans to roll out booster shots so regulators can review additional data. what do you make of that? do you worry all of this adds confusion when we just got the new guidance on boosters? some people are even trying to get those boosters already. >> certainly i'm hearing lots of stories of folks going out and getting that third shot before it's even officially been fda approved. listen, the data is quickly accumulating showing that those boosters are needed at least for a portion of our population. the fda is appropriately waiting until it's had a chance to

review the data on who needs it and to confirm the safety. but all the signals are good. both that we are -- many of us are going to need boosters and they'll be safe. the white house is trying to anticipate and prepare states. what i'm telling people is if you're immunosuppressed, certainly go out and get that booster. for the rest of us, wait until you get the fda approval before you show up at your local drugstore asking for your third shot. people are worried about two letters, m-u. mu has been labeled as a variant of interest. dr. anthony fauci said the new variant was not close to being dominant but his team was keeping a close eye on it. how worried should we be about this variant and how important is it to track this variant going forward? >> this is what viruses do, they mutate. especially with the uncontrolled

spread of covid not only in our country but across the world. most of the globe is not yet vaccinated. we will continue to see new variants. this one in particular doesn't necessarily worry most of us but we're keeping an eye on it and we'll keep an eye on future variants. the good news and the takeaway for most of us, the vaccines that we have still seem to work really well even against this most novel variant. particularly when combined with masking and ventilation you're going to be okay. >> good to hear that. dr. megan ranney, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you. the federal department of education is investigating five states for imposing bans on mask mandates. up next, we'll talk to a father in one of those states who is suing to bring masks back into the classroom. you're watching "msnbc reports."

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we're following another twist in the legal fight over masks in florida schools. governor ron desantis has just appealed a judge's ruling from last week, a ruling that struck down his order banning school boards from implementing mask mandates. desantis threatened to inflict a financial penalty on school

boards that adopt mask guidelines without a provision for parents to opt out. the debate over mask mandates in schools raging way beyond florida. five states are under federal investigation by the u.s. department of education for banning mask mandates. in one of those states, utah, some parents are trying to take things into their own hands. they sued state officials for banning school districts from implementing mask mandates. joining me now is chris phillips, co-founder of the utah concern coalition and one of the plaintiffs in that lawsuit. chris, thank you for joining us. you have three kids that are all too young to be vaccinated, under the age of 12. what do you worry about when it comes to your kids and what drove you to join this lawsuit? >> i'm worried about their health and the spread of coronavirus in our schools. a few weeks ago i was considering what was going to be happening as kids went back to school and recognizing that in utah we were not taking steps to

protect them. simple commonsense measure. we were not taking enough steps to prevent them from ventilation risks, not taking enough steps to protect them from things that are preventable with the common mask. there are rules and laws in place in utah that make it difficult for any local jurisdiction to implement commonsense protective measures for our kids. we saw that play out in salt lake county recently where our health director asked for a mask mandate for kids between the ages of kindergarten and sixth grade. two days later our county council ruled against that and overturned it. it revealed the challenge of what we're facing here in salt lake county and across the state of utah. the hands of our public health officials are tied because they're concerned that the county councils and county commissions will overturn their orders and make it difficult for our kids to be protected.

so we're seeing a bit of a quagmire here where we turned public health orders that should be protecting our kids and our community into political footballs. that's really what we're trying to do with our litigation, our legal complaint, highlight that challenge and untie the hands of our public health workers so they can protect our kids and communities again. >> we want to make it clear so the folks understand the law in utah, a local health official can say we want mask mandates, it's the county board that can overrule that. you said that happened in one situation. i want to talk about a new report from the american academy of pediatrics which found that kids make up 22% of new covid cases. and new cases among kids were close to the highest levels seen in the pandemic. given that, what's your message to parents who say they should decide whether their kids wear masks and not school officials. >> it's a really important question. our right to protect our kids is

very important. it's fundamental. you have to understand, though, we live in a society where our rights to protect ourselves must also work to protect other people. if i'm in a situation where i carry a potentially dangerous disease, it's not my right to inflict that on someone else. that right ends when it impacts some other person. that's true with kids as well. we have commonsense measures that are out there that have shown to be effective. they may not be 100% effective but they're effective at protecting our communities and restricting the spread we're seeing. we are seeing when we don't take those measures the full impact on our kids and communities of this virus. we have got to work together and stop fighting against each other to be able to eliminate the spread that we're seeing and keep our kids safe. keep our communities safe. >> chris, quickly, we mentioned the department of education is investigating those five states that ban mask mandates.

are there additional steps you would like to see the biden administration take when it comes to trying to stop the spread of covid in schools? >> yes, certainly. i think the biden administration could do a lot more working with our governors and other locations to try to emphasize the value of these protective health measures. i think the biden administration needs to look at what's happening at the fda where we've tied up the vaccine and the ability for that to be used in our kids under 12. we have a whole sloth of our population that can't access the vaccine at this time and we're seeing the negative impact of the coronavirus on these kids at this time. we've got to take some more steps to protect them and in so doing protect everybody else, too. >> all right. chris phillips, thank you very much for joining us. we do appreciate it. >> thank you. still ahead, we're awaiting a taliban declaration of a new government in afghanistan two weeks after the militant group

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doha. the focus is on diplomacy. what kind of engagement do you think there should be with the taliban in order to get more people left behind out of there? >> well, i think first of all, what i would like to see from the administration is some acknowledgment of the emotions that americans feel seeing taliban flags flying in kabul and these scenes from the -- from this evacuation. you know, we spent$2 trillion, over 20 years, over 2,300 service members killed in action to include six of my own. and i would like to see the administration just understand the -- and talk about the frustrations and the outrages that americans feel right now. and i think until they do that, it's going to be very, very difficult to talk about the way forward with the taliban. now, when they do do that, there are three things we need to

focus on that i would expect secretary blinken to focus on. the first one are the evacuations. the evacuations of american citizens and green card holders and siv holders and applicants. it troubles me that so few siv holders and applicants got out. second are the humanitarian crisis and human rights. so afghanistan has 20 million people with acute food and water shortage. so on the edge of starvation. their economy is collapsing. and, of course, you got the human rights of women and non-pashtun ethnic groups in afghanistan that we want to make sure are addressed. third is the counterterroism. now, all three of those objectives are easier, more doable by engaging with whatever government the taliban and the afghans come up wit than we are

turning our backs in frustration. >> the taliban now claiming full control of afghanistan, resistance groups are calling that propaganda. how can we get a clear idea of what's happening on the ground now? >> yeah. time will tell. there's so much fake news and nonsense circulating on social media about afghanistan. it's hard to say what's true. it seems to me sorting through all of that that the taliban have made territorial gains in panjshir, probably haven't gotten all of it. that the resistance group there's are having a difficult time. at the same time, what you got are the taliban and other afghans working together to come up with a transitional government. and i think it will be very important to see what comes out of those negotiations and that -- the makeup of that transitional government is supposed to come clear within

the next day or so. >> an article describes the u.s. mission in afghanistan as a ponzi scheme saying it was all a house of cards and at some level everyone knew it. what do you think? >> it had become a "house of cards." the afghan government in 2006 was predatory and it was corrupt. it had been drifting into further and further corruption for the last 15 years. it was predatory on its population. so that was driving people into the arms of the taliban. to the extent that we were uncritically supporting government officials who were doing that, we were seen as either too stupid to realize what was happening or complicit. so for many afghans, they saw

the taliban as the sort of lesser of two evils between that and their government. so they voted with their feet in august to reject the government which evaporated almost overnight and accept a new taliban-centric or taliban-heavy government. >> thank you very much for your expertise. we appreciate it. have a good weekend. >> thank you, you, too. fema is changing its policies to help low-income families affected by national disasters. we'll explain that next. you're watching "msnbc reports." . shopping malls can be a big trigger for young homeowners turning into their parents. you ever think about the storage operation a place like this must rely on? -no. they just sell candles, and they're making overhead? you know what kind of fish those are? -no. -eh, don't be coy. [ laughs ] [ sniffs, clears throat ] koi fish. it can be overwhelming. think a second. have we seen this shirt before?

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