good morning. on this labor day, a key financial lifeline expiring for millions of americans out of work, depending on your state. thoeks extended, enhanced benefits put in place at the height of the pandemic go away, leaving a lot of people and their families scrambling. labor secretary marty walsh saying this morning on "today" there's hope for some people, but it is up to their state. >> we have allowed governors across the country if they need to to look at using rescue plan money to extend unemployment

benefit in their state. plus, after his visit to the storm zone and louisiana, president biden is now turning his attention to weather weary new jersey and new york where the cleanup is starting after record rainfall flooded out several communities. look at the images. 51 people in the northeast were killed in all. in louisiana, you have hundreds of thousands of people that do not have power, who do not have water to drink, just a week after ida made landfall. >> it is not just me, it is all my neighbors. i love these people. these people are my family and they're all suffering. they're all suffering. >> i am hallie jackson with you this morning in washington along with our news team on this labor day monday. emily is following unemployment developments. shannon petty piece is at the white house, gabe gutierrez, and josh jefferson in louisiana.

you have a lot of people waking up feeling anxious, nervous about losing unemployment benefits. >> reporter: i heard time and time again from people that they feel forgotten on this labor day, a day supposed to celebrate the american worker. these benefits, pandemic era benefits were brought on in historic fashion through the cares act in march of 2020, now they're rolled back in a similar historic sweeping way. an estimated 9 million will feel impact of some degree today. we are here in studio city, california, a street full of different kinds of businesses. in the windows, you'll see help wanted signs. that's largely part of the impetus behind rolling back some of the benefits. heritage fellow researcher said it is hard to justify having a program that's encouraging people not to work at the same time employers are struggling to

keep their business going. keep in mind, there are more than 10 million jobs open at this time, a record number. still, we are hearing from many economists that say today won't push people back to work. there have been surveys about how half u.s. states rolled back benefits this summer finding roughly one in eight workers that lost benefits actually got a job. we spoke with a mother who is really feeling the gravity, the weight of this day. she says these benefits are the only thing preventing her family slipping from a middle class family to one impoverished. she's a motivational speaker hit hard by the pandemic. she faces being laid off a third time this week as a welder. they're just grappling for answers at this point. they have actually decided to

move their daughter with developmental disabilities into a group home. an emotional, difficult decision. they couldn't pay for more individualized help. listen. >> this pandemic has been a real breaking for us, has significantly altered the path of her life in a way that we didn't anticipate. >> reporter: and of course, the delta variant introducing a whole other variable and problem as americans consider and search for jobs, halle. >> thank you very much for that. shannon, i want to go to you. fresh office visit to the hurricane zone in louisiana, president biden for his part plans to look for damage in new jersey and new york. he will be in that region tomorrow, manville, new jersey and queens near where gabe is posted now. we mentioned gabe gutierrez is in manville, josh letterman is in indiana. tell us what the president has on the agenda the next 24 hours.

it will be a busy one. >> reporter: right. he is at his home in wilmington, delaware for the labor day holiday. he was there over the weekend. you mentioned starting tuesday he is going to head to mansville, new jersey and queens, new york to survey damage from this storm. of course, it was just on friday as you alluded to, we saw the president in new orleans doing a similar thing, surveying damage on ground, in the air, meeting with local officials, talking about the federal response to people in the communities. you can probably expect to see something similar on tuesday. i would note two policy things to watch for in this visit tomorrow like we saw friday. the first would be to look for the president to link the devastation, increase in severe weather events to climate change, try and personalize this and humanize the consequences of climate change for people. and secondly would be to look for an opportunity to sell his

infrastructure plan which is currently before congress and faces a bit of an uncertain future there. we heard the president talking in louisiana about how money from his infrastructure plan can go to levees, new water systems, new drainage. listen to that as well for his visit tuesday. >> gabe, what is he going to see in manville, what have you seen in the last 24 hours or so. even though the storm is long over, days over at this point, the images are pretty intense, including where you are. >> reporter: yeah, that's right. it is an absolute mess. look at all this behind me. residents are just starting to clean up, empty basements. instead of me telling you, i'm going to let my colleague show you all this damage. this again are belongings, ruined belongings that are out on the streets as residents try to clean out basements. across the northeast, 51 people have died. 27 people in new jersey alone,

halle. this is something that the state has been devastated. the federal government has declared a federal disaster area for several counties here in new jersey. the governor saying some places, some parts of the state got more rain in two or three hours than they typically get in a month or two. four people are still missing. they're looking for two college students in another part of the state. as you can see, this is awful. we expect insurance adjustors to be here the next couple days. there's a lot of frustration among the residents. i spoke with several people, including a few down the street said they had to be rescued as waters were rising. they didn't expect this much rain this quickly. of course, they heard there would be rain, but it wasn't just the amount, it is how fast it came. as i mentioned, just two or three hours, water was rising here. in this neighborhood alone, we reported there were several homes that exploded because of

the water that went in there and triggered gas leaks. several homes and business have gone up in flames in this neighborhood. this is just some of what president biden will see when he is expected to tour the area tomorrow. >> gabe, thank you. want to go to josh in jefferson parish. you're seeing a distribution of supplies that are important to people. josh, they don't even have fresh water to drink, they're under a boil water alert even a week after the storm, right? >> reporter: that's right. going on day eight with no clean water. talk about a tale of two cities. in new orleans parish, they are telling residents that left feel free to come back to the city. here in jefferson parish they're telling folks please continue to stay away if you can with the emergency operations folks saying this area is still not ready to sustain everyday regular life. that's why you have the national guard out in full force.

the line starts down there. it curves all the way around here, and you have folks that lined up way before 8:00 a.m. here, trying to get basics like water, food, and ice. everyone still doesn't have air conditioning. yesterday was a slow day here. the national guard troops handed out 19,000 meals, 5,000 bags of ice, and 25,000 bottles of water on a slow day. i will show you what it looks like. it is not glamorous. this is what they're eating. meals ready to eat. beef patty, jalapeno, pepper jack. one here has mexican style chicken stew. this is the whole thing in a bag. you add water and that's it. this is life now in jefferson parish, halle. and the other big need holding up recovery here is fuel. even the emergency operations folks here, if they have power, it is on a generator. until they get more fuel, more

supplies, more power back, they're telling folks to please stay away. >> josh, thank you. shannon, emily, thank you. gabe and miguel, thanks to you both. coming up, the u.s. surpasses 40 million covid cases with outbreaks causing more than a thousand schools to close. new fears as kids get back to the classroom this week. we get closer to the 20th anniversary of 9/11, the trial of five men accused of plotting or assisting in attacks, set to resume in guantanamo. we have a live report from underground ahead. ve report from underground ahead. by rootmetrics. and our customers rated us #1 for network quality in america according to j.d. power. number one in reliability, 16 times in a row. most awarded for network quality, 27 times in a row. proving once again that nobody builds networks like verizon. that's why we're building 5g right, that's why there's only one best network.

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developing this morning, the u.s. hitting more than 40 million covid cases. a milestone. quote, unquote. over the weekend, more than 651,000 deaths since the pandemic started in all, infections, hospitalizations and deaths are rising across most of the country. in fact, the seven day rolling average is up 300% this labored

weekend compared to last year at this time and we didn't have covid vaccines. and it is all happening as kids across the east coast get back to school this week. with covid outbreaks forcing more than a thousand schools in 35 states to close so far in just the new school year alone. at the same time, you have health officials keeping a close eye on other variants. >> the delta variant is over 99% dominant. so when we say we are keeping an eye on the mu variant, we want to be sure it doesn't become more dominant. we actually don't know what the consequences would be. the concern would be is that it have a few constellation of mutations that would indicate it might evade protection from certain antibodies. >> bring in professor of emergency medicine at brown school of health. good morning. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> we heard dr. fauci talk about

this new mu variant. out in l.a., department of public health there identified something like 165 cases linked to mu as far back as june. talk about, number one, the proper level of concern people should have about this, right, and why it is different than, for example, delta. you heard dr. fauci allude to perhaps we don't know, perhaps it may be more resistant to the vaccine. >> here's the big take away about mu variant and every other variant we're going to hear about in weeks and months to come because believe me, this is not the last one. for now, the vaccines still work and everything else we have been doing throughout the pandemic works as well. masks, ventilation, frequent testing. this is not a moment to go back into lockdown and shut yourself in your house. this is a moment, however, if you haven't gotten your shots, go and get them. make sure you wear masks in public area, keep your ears

open. we will be following it carefully, hoping it is not like delta, more transmissible or able to evade the vaccine. good news, tools we still have seem to work. >> that's it, folks, use the tools. you've got some schools that already shutdown because of covid outbreaks, looking at things like kids in classrooms, et cetera, kids in the northeast getting ready to go back to class this week in many places. what is your advice for parents? >> it is an abdication of responsibility on the part of school officials to send children back to school without universal masking and good ventilation. start by saying that. i am horrified what happened across the south. here in the north, my own children are going back to school wednesday with universal masking in place. we improved ventilation and i would love testing for parents on school committees and school boards rapid, weekly, monthly testing can detect outbreaks,

get them under control before they happen. toughest part is we have so little data. it is inconceivable, here we are a year and a half into the pandemic, and still don't have great consistent recommendations for schools across the country and still don't have strong data what's happening in those schools where there are outbreaks in the south. >> why don't we have good data? >> it is a great question. we lack data on a lot of things. listen, the cdc stopped tracking mildly symptomatic break through infections back in the spring. we know that break through infections don't cause hospitalizations or severe infection, but we don't actually know the number of people getting mildly infected. we similarly don't have great national tracking for school outbreaks. these are some basic things that we need to set up as part of the public health infrastructure in this country because covid is not going away. anyone that tells you this is over this winter is making it

up. we need better systems now to protect the country going forward in the months and probably years to come. >> i think for a lot of people, incredibly depressing to hear an expert like you say that, the idea the pandemic will stretch through another potential winter looking ahead to what's to come. talk about the short term. a lot of people are traveling labor day, doing stories about it, et cetera. unofficial end to summer, a lot of activities are outdoors which helps, that's a mitigating factor. do you think there will be a post labor day surge? when might we see some indications? >> two things. first, i don't want to make people hopeless. you can still do more things than you were able to last year as you are describing, during labor day. take time to travel, do outdoors activities, especially if vaccinated. we see surges after every major holiday, usually two to three weeks later. i expect to see those particularly among people that traveled to areas of the u.s.

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congressman michael mccaul who said airplanes with americans on them are being held hostage. one official says the government is not aware of any situation like he described and has not confirmed any americans are trying to leave from that particular airport. with me, the defense reporter for politico, foreign correspondent molly hunter in islamabad. the white house says they haven't confirmed what he is talking about. what is that doing to the ability to gather or share intel, what are you hearing from sources as far as where that goes? >> reporter: well, it is really a troubling situation. there are around a thousand at risk afghans and american citizens stuck in the northern city in afghanistan under very murky circumstances. there are conflicting reports about this. congressman michael mccall had a

briefing saying they're blocking flights and holding they can hostage to gain international recognition. if true, this is a big problem because the taliban has promised to allow these people to leave freely from afghanistan, and in fact since they took over the country a couple weeks ago, they sought to reassure the world they won't go back to the brutal world they imposed over afghanistan in the 1990s. then there are other reports like you said that it is the state department that's not allowing, not clearing flights to go out. so it is an unclear situation now. but of course, the u.s. says their hands are tied, the u.s. no longer controls air space over afghanistan. and this mirrors what happened a couple weeks ago when the united states was trying to evacuate hundreds of thousands of people from the kabul airport. again, the taliban was blocking check points, turning people away at the airport. this is a concerning situation that unfortunately may predict

what else is to come. >> molly, can you talk about what things are like where you are in pakistan there, what you're seeing and hearing. >> reporter: yeah, halle, look, the pakistani government is watching everything extremely closely, after we heard that bill burns was in kabul, the isi chief made a visit. pakistan has two big fears. one, islamists are involved worldwide, including pakistan. if the taliban can overthrow american forces and take over kabul, they can do it here and elsewhere. and too, the instability along the border, 1600 mile border. militants have been moving freely across that border for years. the fear is they'll do that more and come this direction and that there will be a rush of refugees into this country that frankly this country can't afford. as far as secretary of state blinken's visit, talking to pakistani analysts, they hope he changes his tone, that as he approaches allies, qatar,

pakistan, and others here, that he approaches them as a partner, opposed to dictating, use your leverage here, put pressure here. really, they all want the same thing, an inclusive and stable taliban government. >> let me go back to you, she talks about secretary of state blinken, what the pakistanis hope from him. talk about his stops in qatar and the defense secretaries. >> detective service lloyd austin plans to visit the countries, meet with leaders of countries that helped the u.s. evacuate citizens and at risk afghans, kuwait, bahrain, qatar, and thank them, talk about the united states agenda going forward and then blinken is going to countries and also going to germany to visit ramstein air base where thousands of afghans settled and are waiting for resettlement. this is one important point that secretary blinken is bringing

up, the resettlement, over 100,000 afghans hoping to be resettled in europe and the persian gulf. this is what's going to be on the agenda. of course, more broadly, trips are meant to reassure gulf allies that president biden's decision to enthe u.s. presence in afghanistan doesn't meanest abandoning u.s. partners in the middle east. this is a message they're hoping to bring home and that allies are hoping to hear from the united states. >> molly, can you talk more about afghan refugees? what is the reality for those that are considering fleeing the border to pakistan, may be looking to do so? >> reporter: right. so we know the airport is no longer an option. we have seen a couple of domestic flights in and out of kabul, but if you are an afghan refugee, you can't get out of kabul airport. that leaves land borders. pakistan, 1600 mile border. couple big crossings.

the pakistan government is letting in commercial trade but only letting people in with proper documentation. with a pakistani visa, siv. people that are really sick getting through both borders. we are watching both crossings. we are watching torcum crossing, looks controversial. couple hundred people shown to be medically ill have gotten through. the more active crossing is the shaman crossing. 6,000 people have gotten in. it is a two-way street. 7,000 have gone from pakistan to afghanistan. what we're going to watch for and look for the next couple days, we're going to head to the border, do some reporting. figure if people are coming through what is an irregular crossing, not official legal pathways, are they going over the mountainous, porous region. pakistan already hosts several million afghan refugees. what's the reality for the new

arrivals. we'll have more on that this week. >> look for that reporting the next couple days. thank you both for being with us. days before the 20th anniversary of 9/11, later this week, court hearings are set to pick up in the death penalty case against the mastermind and four others. trial at guantanamo in the works since president bush announced they were sent there from cia custody 15 years ago today. 15 years. ken delanian is live on the ground outside the guantanamo courtroom. good morning to you. talk about what we expect during hearings and how much the public will be able to see and hear about it. >> reporter: good morning, halle. this should be the trial of the century. the accused mastermind of 9/11, khalid sheikh mohammed will be there with four other defendants, accused of murdering 3,000 americans. a lot of people long ago stopped paying attention. we are in the ninth year of pretrial hearings.

the defense lawyer said it is a farce. one thing it is taking long, these are newly created military commissions. every rule can be the subject of legal wrangling. there's a logistical nightmare. i came down on the same flight of prosecutors, it is a logistical nightmare. what defense lawyers say is the real reason for delay is secrecy surrounding proceedings, the fact that evidence is classified. they haven't gotten all the evidence against their clients. they say the main reason for that is that the government is protecting what the cia did to these detainees at black sites before they were transferred to guantanamo. listen to what one of the defense lawyers had to say about that. >> many of the procedures in guantanamo are designed to cover up torture. the classification, the

investigation sent to the lawyers, the restrictions on public and media access, they're all part of a process to allow a prosecution without allowing accountability. >> prosecutors would say it is actually the defense attorneys driving this out with endless motions and litigations over whether statements from defendants can be used after they were tortured. the bottom line is that means justice for the families has been delayed incredibly. i will be in the courtroom tomorrow alongside family members of victims, will be behind a thick wall of glass. everything is on a 40 second delay, in case the defendants blurt out anything classified. nothing here is easy. >> fascinating. glad you're there for us live. looking for your reporting in days to come. ken, thanks. all week long we remember 20 years since the attacks on 9/11. on wednesday at 10:00 eastern

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around the hill even then. aspirational legislation, people wanted to get done, deadline driven legislation, it has to get done, and that deadline end of the month is 24 days away. you say you're not terribly confident there's not going to be a government shutdown. why not? >> because you can never be terribly confident of that. you need 60 votes in the senate to get it done. democrats are twinning government funding with debt ceiling increase which republicans said they will not vote for under any circumstance. either republicans or democrats have to blink. neither side seem like they will. it is only september 6th. the senate is back next week. the house doesn't come back until september 20th. then all of a sudden you're ten days from the deadline. in addition, you have everybody trying to push through biden's agenda, the reconciliation bill and debt ceiling, sorry,

reconciliation and infrastructure bill, and all of those things mixed together, if becomes very complicated and quite dangerous when the u.s. economy is not struggling, but when the u.s. economy is not on sure footing after the coronavirus, and you have big kind of legislative deadlines. it is uncertain. a lot of uncertainty. >> jake, pull up the curtain on editorial meetings at punch bowl news. what's the thing the next week to ten days you look at. the interview you want to hear, the quote you want to get. what's the thing you're focused your news hunt on. >> that's a really good question, halle. we talk about that stuff all the time, what are the signals we're looking for trying to understand what's going to happen next. number one, progressives have said they will not vote for the infrastructure bill until the reconciliation bill is passed. when are we going to see a reconciliation package? we're looking for people like the chair of the progressive

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the committee announced friday on the hearing on the law and shadow docket of the supreme court, decisions made on an emergency basis. do you know when that hearing will happen, who you want to hear from, what are you hoping to get out of that. >> a lot of people don't know what the shadow docket is. i think we'll be hearing from scholars as to the abuse of the shadow docket by this supreme court because they've used the shadow docket to do the thing they just did, basically to overturn roe v. wade 28 times in years and four times in bush and obama, so there is in my view the abuse of power of the shadow docket and what's going to happen probably is more calls -- >> i missed the last part of what you said because our connection is a little bit fuzzy. besides hearings, assume the

filibuster stays in place. there is no indication that that is going to budge here at this point. are democrats out of legislative options other than trying to draw attention to this with scholars and others as you're talking about? >> we're going to do everything we can to codify roe v. wade at the federal level but also at the state level because it's the state legislators that are very busy, passing hundreds and hundreds of abortion limiting laws across the country and that is why people need to vote. they need to have legislators who are going to impose these kinds of draconian laws on women across the country creating chaos, fear, chilling effect. we see what's happening in texas already. >> you make the point state legislatures, it is. it is also what's happening on the federal level as it relates to the supreme court as you well know, your colleague, dr. klobuchar, has renewed her suggestion for justice breyer to

retire "sooner rather than later." do you agree with that? >> i've stayed away from saying anybody should retire. why should anyone have lifetime appointments to any job. as part of the hearing on the shadow docket i think there will be calls for term limits on the supreme court and i would support that kind of debate and discussion. it could be increasing the number of justices on the court. it definitely means ethical standards. >> you said you would support the debate and discussion on that. would you support term limits itself? >> pretty much i would. because who gets a lifetime appointment or job security for in ig? why should the court be exempted? that's been my view for a while. we should have a debate on it. >> let me ask you about something else, this long to do list or significant to do list

for congress coming up in the month of accept. $3.5 trillion budget plan. i don't know if you're able to hear our segment before the break but jake sherman from punch bowl news reported house democratic leaders are starting to negotiate downward. would you support a price tag to get joe manchin on board? how low would you be willing to go? >> i support the 3.5 trillion because american people want it. we need to expand medicare. we need to help families across the country including in hawaii. we need to do those things. i hope joe manchin will come around because the american public wants all these things and needs it but i'm not going to say right now how much would be appropriate. we stay at $3.5 trillion [ indiscernible ]. >> is the government going to shut down in september?

>> let's hope not. how many times are we going to put that on the american people. >> a lot. >> it is, so once again we'll walk away from death and obligations that the country is already incurred and it would take the republicans to say they have no intention because you know what? basically they have no sense of responsibility. they could give a rip if there's another government shutdown for no good purpose. >> before i let you go, can i quickly ask you about afghanistan. we talked about earlier in the show mike mccaul said citizens and allies might be stuck at the airports. white house officials are not aware of any situation like that. is there anything you heard that you might be able to share to put some clarity on this? >> we need to do, to get the siv the special immigrant green cardholders, u.s. citizens out of afghanistan as soon as possible and that's where i am. >> senator maisy hirono,

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