you are watching msnbc, everybody. i'm yags mean vossoughian, we are going to start this hour on labor day with a focus on economy and politics. the president back at the white house gearing up for big fights

ahead pushing a domestic agenda that could reshape the american economy including infrastructure and what would be the most significant expansion of the safety net since the 1960s. congress also soon returning to washington. the hos house hoping to hold votes on both the $3.5 trillion spending package and the $1 trillion infrastructure deal. it couldn't come at a more pressing time for so many americans as unemployment benefits to protect workers at the height of this pandemic expired today. 7.5 million people are set to lose their jobless benefits this week. nearly 3 million are losing a $300 weekly boost to their state benefits. the labor secretary marty walsh today saying states can choose to use other funds to extend those benefits. >> we've allowed governors across the country, if they need to, to look at using c.a.r.e.s. money -- consume, rescue plan money to extend the unemployment benefit in their state if they need to.

the rate is different all across the country. it really is somehow do we continue to get the which he back and running. meanwhile, millions still struggling to find work in the middle of the delta variant surge. many will soon be facing the reality of losing their housing as the supreme court struck down president biden's moratorium eviction extension. joining me, maria hinojosa. and back with us susan del percio. maria, i want to start with you. extended jobless benefits have been a critical lifeline to millions of americans. who will suffer most now with these benefits done? >> i have been traveling, finally i have been getting out and about. i was in arizona. i was in mississippi, where the delta variant is just on fire. i am thinking about the people who are being most affected, the

fact that they don't really have a safety net. so i think one of the things that we have to kind of realize in the united states of america, the greatest country in the world, the most advanced country in the world, but what really is keeping people going is kind of community efforts, community efforts to keep people fed especially now that they are going the lose these unemployment benefits or if there is a possible eviction. it's a particular moment in the united states where it is like neighbors helping neighbors? yeah. >> but to me the problem is how does that jive with the fact that we are the most advanced country in the world with all of this great technology but people in our country are suffering. >> maria is telling us we need community efforts. you wrote the book on it. how do you fix it -- before you tell me your solution, hopefully everybody is listening in case you have a good one, i want to play a piece of sounds that we have from someone who also was depending on these jobless benefits whose life was changed after losing their job. >> you don't ever anticipate it

happening. 18 months ago our family was thriving. two-earner household, both of us working, successful. this pandemic has been a rude awakening for us. and has significantly altered the path of her live in a way that we didn't anticipate. >> this pandemic, robert, has been a rude awakening for so many americans. and maria is completely right. there is no safety net for so many of these americans. this is not something new. it has been persistent for quite some time. the disparity that we have in our country right now financially has been front and center, especially during this pandemic, and the recently natural disasters that we have experienced with the flooding. how do we fix it? what do we do? >> one thing we have to do, obviously, and maria is absolutely right is strengthen our safety net. this is where the bill that is winding its way through congress, that $3.5 trillion, becomes so critical. it's not as if the pandemic is

going away. in fact, it's not as if pachlds are going away. people need the help that is in this $3.5 trillion bill. they need help with child care. they need help with a safety net that's a stronger safety net. people need to make sure that children, in fact, all of us have a responsibility to make sure that child poverty drops. it's all in this bill. i think the real question is, is there enough urgency? do people care enough? is there enough sense that the timing is right to get this bill actually enacted? along with the infrastructure bill. both are critical. >> do you think that people do care enough? >> i think that people care enough, but what's -- i have been around for too many years to believe that it's easy to get stuff through washington. you have got right now -- the public is not only distracted by the pullout of afghanistan, the

administration is distracted, but also, the democrats have not really had a chance yet to explain to the public what's in this bill. i know bernie sanders is out there and other democrats are out there. but the public really does need to be educated. if they know it and they understand it, they will support it. if they support it, chances are their representatives or their senators, particularly democrats, will vote for it. but there is that big bown -- that big barrier of understanding and that big barrier of getting knowledge out there about what's this this bill. >> you said the key phrase, "chances are". i go back to the person we have talked about most the last months, joe manchin, we know where he stands on this reconciliation bill. a lot of democrats are worried he is not going to get on board, they are not going to get this thing across the finish line. you are advising republicans and democrats right now, specifically democrats, i should say. what do you tell them, and how do they get the $3.5 billion

reconciliation bill across the finish line? >> well, i -- >> joe -- >> susan first. then i will coming back to you. >> okay. >> joe manchin said he has a hard time wrapping his head around the $2.5 trillion number. that's not to say he wouldn't be happy with $2.5 billion. >> they have -- let's be clear. they already significantly reduced the price tag that joe biden, the president, put out there in the first place. on top of that they significantly reduced the price tag when it comes to infrastructure as well. important to note that. if joe mamplgin is asking them to reduce it to $2.5 billion -- you full well know susan, i know you know politics well, progressive democrats won't get on board with that, then they will have another problem. >> they will, unless there is something else. we don't know what happens behind the scenes. i think it is possible that maybe they go for 2.5, $2.8 trillion, and joe marchin allows a carveout for voting rights.

there's a lot at lay. there's a lot of moving parts. frankly, this is where president biden excels, in moving those pieces around the board. so i do think that there is -- there is something to be said, that there will be some kind of compromise where everyone can live with it. let's not forgot that right now joe biden needs a win. that's what the administration is going to be focused on. i don't think the democrats will allow everything to fall apart and offer nothing. at the last effort, when it comes to his domestic policy, joe biden may also have to come in and say, you know, it is time to get rid of the filibuster. frankly, yasmin, the republicans will do it the moment they get power back. as a result, i think it says no one says oh, i am not voting. >> so far, we have not heard that. >> we haven't heard it. but i do think that biden does have the ability to move some things around.

again, if democrats need to be motivated, here's what you can be motivated by. saying, i won the minority and i couldn't get an agenda through, and now we also got rid of the filibuster. >> maria, how do you think progressive democrats would react to the president moving some things around and the possibility of reducing the reconciliation bill to $2.5 trillion but to maybe get a win on voting rights, which would be doing away with the filibuster? that to me sounds far out. i'm just putting that out there. but -- but, listen, anything is possible. maria, weigh in for me, first. >> here's what i think. that, okay, we are making some generalizations, right. >> yeah. >> but the people really would like to see much more -- i don't know if susan is going to agree with this. robert but progressive action on the part this administration. radically more progressive. the kinds of chipping away makes it difficult. on the other hand voting rights

is essential. otherwise this democracy will fall apart. but i think what needs to happen with the democrats is they need to maintain control of the narrative, don't allow republicans to take control of the narrative as they have been trying to yet again. and you have to be more radical. again, i think that's what's going to lead joe biden to make sure that he gets the immigrant vote, make sure he gets the latino and latina vote, which is the second largest voting bloc. they are expecting a president to react more radically in the face of ida, climate change, afghanistan, refugees, texas, with the supreme court and women being denied access to reproductive rights. there is so much that's coming at us, i really feel like people want to see a much more progressive, much more progressive -- which does make it difficult for kind of the middle of the road democrats, but i think that's where i think they that lose. >> robert you talked about the fact that voting rights is directly correlated with the

economy. weigh in on that. also, if bernie sanders was on this panel, that would be great, by the way, but i would say, $3.5 trillion is still not even enough to do what we need to do across the board. >> bernie sanders actually agreed to 3.5, but that was much less than joe biden originally wanted. i think the problem here for the democrats on the hill is the window of opportunity is closing very rapidly. you have got nancy pelosi -- september 27th is the dead lion she agreed to for putting the infrastructure bill before the house. but there are a lot of progressive democrats in the house who say, no, we don't want to vote on the infrastructure bill separate from the $3.5 trillion social safety net bill. so it's all going to come to a head very, very, very rapidly. and joe manchin and bernie sanders are going to have to work this out with joe biden. i absolutely agree that joe biden is an inside player, he's going to be there, working with

manchin and sanders. the thing that worries me most, though, is voting rights. as you said, voting rights is a key. >> yeah. >> but voting rights is not in the $3.5 trillion. it is not in obviously the infrastructure. it's separate. it needs a carve-out from the filibuster. that's going to be the biggest fight of the fall. >> couple things you said that i want you to weigh in on. do you think, because this deadline for speaker pelosi, do you think they should be voting in tandem on infrastructure and reconciliation? or separate? >> you are asking me? >> yes, robert, i am asking you. >> i think they have to vote in tandem. that's what she promised the progressives. and she said there would be a vote. she said to the moderates, the mod squad on the hill there would be a vote by the 27th. but she said to the progressives it's going to be at the same time as the vote on the $3.5 trillion. so she's going to somehow have enough of a bill in front of her to put them both before the

house at exactly the same time. it is going to be a very rough three and a half weeks. >> another follow-up i have for you, resident, dumpg the reconciliation bill and infrastructure could actually significantly reduce, make a dent in the economic disparity that we have in this country so americans are not suffering the way they are right now? do you think it has a real case for that? >> it would make a big, big difference. we know that the -- for example, which is a refundable benefit, that brings down the child poverty rate by half, by 50%, in this year. it needs to be made permanent. that's -- relative to the cost of defense, and military, and much more big other expenses, this is very small, but it would be very, very significant. can you imagine bringing child poverty doesn't by half. >> yeah. >> and we also need to pay for it. this is the other part of the inequality equation. in this bill are tax increases on the wealthy and on corporations.

they are lobbying like crazy in washington right now. they don't want tax increases. but it is necessary. it's fair it must be done. >> meanwhile, you have billionaires trying to go to space when some americans don't have a belt to keep their pants on. that much of a difference between what is happening to residents in this country. last question, do you feel like americans have a grasp for what's inside these bills? >> no, not at all. in fact, i think what's worrisome is that in the last administration there was so much bluster that people were kind of paying attention all the time. now people are like all right we are in this plateau of pandemic that just won't go away. desperation -- i worry d i think robert was right at the very top. how do you get people to understand and grasp this? it's difficult. there is a lot of suffering going on right now. that's what we are talking about. i am not sure how we are going to make it through, except for helping one another, custom is desperate. >> i was going to say, it is very hard to grasp something

like this that you know will eventually help you. i was out in the field after the storm flooded people's houses. it is hard to call your congressman, to make sure they are supporting me -- it is hard when people are suffering. thank you. great conversation. i appreciate it. we have a lot more ahead this hour on msnbc. attorney general garland making news failing to block an attack on women's rights. and trump staffers going under oath in that criminal probe. plus, how one town became the epicenter in the battles over critical race theory. stay with us. us a corner to build a legacy. a vision for tomorrow. a fresh start. a blank canvas.

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welcome back. the probe in the trump org is heating up as manhattan d.a. cy

vance prepares for his retirement this october. crime charges have been levied against matthew calamari senior. the executive used to be trumped bodyguard. are theors last week may have gotten closer to evidence they need because his son, matthew calamari jr., also a trump org executive testified under oath before the grand jury. a former trump organization representative said his testimony would be quote useful. >> calamari's kid, yeah, he's going to be useful. he can talk about his own perks and perhaps his father's perks, and maybe has more information about donald trump. i am encouraged by it? a lawyer for both father and son last week saying quote they have done nothing wrong and have nothing to hide. joining me, dannia perry and jill wine bank. welcome to you both. jill, everybody has been

lighting up my twitter about your pin. it looks beautiful. thanks for bringing the best pins when you join us. what does this say about the criminal probe right now? >> it's still a lot investigation. it is active. it is ongoing. there were those in the trump sphere and family who were doing a victory lap when the first set of charges were announced. clearly that is not going to be the last set of charges. they are turning up the heat and frankly going after call conscious calamari's son is a hyper aggressive move. when i was interviewing 20 years ago i was asked, would you cooperate, a child against a parent or a parent against a child? i was like, whew, that's a tough one. they are not messing around.

they are pursuing all avenues. the reports are calamari jr. and the cfo -- controller, rather, were both in. both apparently have information about calamari sr., and certainly against others. so, often times, prosecutors will pick off the low-hanging fruit and they will try to cooperate up folks who have actionable information against those who are more senior within the organization. here certainly that could be calamari sr. it could be weisselberg, and of course there are other targets possible as well. >> so this is -- >> it is a live case. >> a live case. jill bind banks, at this point does it seem as if calamari jr. is the low-hanging fruit? at what point do we get the frut on top of the tree? >> the top of the tree, to me, is donald trump. and that will take more evidence than probably calamari jr. has.

we don't know how directly he is connected to knowledge of donald trump. so we will have to wait and see on that. but i think that dannia is absolutely correct, that this is a live case. that -- i think they will be hoping to wrap it up while vance is still the district attorney. he is not running for -- he didn't run for re-election. there is a new district attorney who will start in december. and they have spent a lot of resources going to the supreme court twice to get the tax returns of donald trump. they have already indicted weisselberg, the cfo. it is certainly possible that they will now indict the coo, who is calamari sr. and i think that there is a lot going on. when you look at the case, people have said, oh, it's just a benefits case, fringe benefits

that weren't reported. >> yeah. >> it isn't that. this is a 15-year fraud. it's a conspiracy. it is double bookkeeping. they kept fraudulent books. so it's much more than that. and everybody says, including -- you had barbara rez commenting there. she has always said nothing happens at trump organization that donald trump didn't know about. so the chances are, he knew what was going on. he wrote the checks for weisselberg's childrens or grandchildren's tuition. so he certainly knew about that. that's why we have a big case going. >> aside from calamari jr. testifying before a grand jury, what leads you to believe that calamari sr. could easily be indicted in the coming months, ahead of cy vance's retirement? >> the evidence that we have seen so far suggested he got the same apartment and car benefits that weisselberg got and

reported them in the same way. we don't know that yet. i haven't seen his tax returns. i don't know how he reported it. i don't know how the company accounted for it. i know that they fraught lendly accounted for weisselberg's -- i'll call them fringe benefits even though i have just said it is much more than a fringe benefits case. so it would seem likely that he is a target. and the fact that he wasn't subpoenaed to testify is because in new york they have a very strange rule that isn't common. and that is if you testify before the grand jury, you are automatically immunized and cannot be prosecuted for anything you have testified about. so you don't want to put anyone before the grand jury that you think you might indict. so the fact that the senior calamari wasn't put before the grand jury even though he as coo likely has much more knowledge makes me think he is a target.

>> cy vance's retirement. the likelihood he will wrap this case right before he retires. it has been up to a year we have known he was going to retire. the likely replacement to cy vance is alvin bragg. i want you to listen to his answer when asked about the trump probe. >> i led the team that held trump and his children accountable for their misconduct with the trump foundation. i go where the facts go. i know in complex investigations i have come into them late in the stage before, been brought in to try complex cases. it is important to have consistency and continuity. >> what is the motivation for cy vance to wrap this thing up before in fact he retires? if he does not. how does it complicate things if it changes hands? >> i fully agree. i am certain he is motivated to wrap this up before he leaves office. it will be a legacy case for

them. he has presided over this some two years now. i think he will feel responsible to wrap up the charges or at least get them in pretty good shape of about he leaves office. but i will say, i have known alvin for many, many years as a friend, but as a federal and state prosecutor. it's exactly as he said. he will follow the evidence where it goes. he's dogged. he's meticulous, he's smart. he will -- if it is not wrapped up he will look at it very closely himself, scrutinize the evidence and he will go exactly where the facts and the evidence and the witnesses take him. so if it is not wrapped up, it will be in very good hands with alvin bragg. >> thank you to both of you ladies. thank you for joining us on this labor day evening. coming up, everybody, nbc's new podcast goes inside the fight over a school diversity plan that is tearing one small community apart. plus a texas judge

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tonight, new gains for abortion rights advocates fighting against that new texas abortion law. attorney general garland announcing the full support of federal law enforcement for abortion clinics under attack and a texas judge issuing a temporary restraining order against an anti-abortion group block it from suing health insurance plan providers for now. and the website hosting service, go daddy pulling the plug on an anti-abortion website that allows people to post anonymous tips on suspected abortions, just the latest on an escalating fight over texas's bill which bans abortions after six weeks, before many women know they are pregnant. some are speaking out about this bill. >> it seems to be extreme with this problem for bounties for people that turn in someone that

droechb someone to an abortion clinic? i am pro-life but what i don't like to see is this idea of every citizen being able to tattle, sue an uber driver, as you said, be deputyized to enforce this abortion law to whatever they want. >> six states are already expressing interest in passing similar laws with all eyes on the supreme court's conservative justices. joining me now is aern carmen, a senior correspondent for new york magazine and coauthor of notorious rbg. also nancy erica smith. thank you for joining us. i want the play, first, this piece of sound, a proabortion rights ad from don winslow. >> if i am beaten and raped in the state of texas i have to give birth to the baby of my rapist. if ip raped by my father, brother, or uncle and get pregnant in the state of texas, i have to give birth to the baby of my family abuser.

this new law is so draconian that i can be prosecuted for having an abortion and so can my doctors, family, and friends who advise me, or even the uber driver who simply drives me to the clinic. this is madness. the same people who have been protesting and screaming my body, my choice, when it comes to the covid vaccine are now saying i don't have any control offer my own body. shame on the men and women who passed this law. and shame on anyone who sits in silence while women die over it. >> erin, i want to start with you. that was an emotional ad on that texas law. it struck me when this thing passed in the supreme court that had justice ruth bader ginsburg ruth bader ginsburg not passed away and been replaced by justice amy coney barrett, we would be having a different conversation today. >> yeah. i mean, that's a painful question about what would have

happened because, of course, justice ginsburg spent a lot of her time on the court dissenting, including in many apportion cases. so it's not clear that chief justice john roberts would have sided with the liberals if i had would have made a difference to the vote total. of course he did uphold a precedent that struck down an abortion law in 2020. so it may well have been a different result. but chief justice john roberts has been deeply opposed to abortion always. to my mind the most substantial shift happened when anthony kennedy retired. he was a defender of abortion rights. when he retired it actually changed the vote count. that said, every vote on the supreme court counts. at the very least, if justice ginsburg was still with us -- we are about to mark the one-year anniversary of her death -- i am certain she would be robustly

defending the rights of texans to have dominion over their own body as they see fit. >> i was talking with senator hirono in the last hour, she brought up the miss tis case that's going to be brought up in the fall banning abortions after 15 weeks which would essentially overturn roe. >> right. >> can we all but assume at this point we know how the vote count will fall considering the decision made in this texas law? >> yes. that's why biden and the democrats have to immediately fix the supreme court. they -- the republicans stole a seat, gorsuch is sitting there -- from obama. they put amy coney barrett there during an election. voting had actually started. and cav gnaw, an accused rapist -- credibly accused

rapist. they have packed the court. and we have to fix it. we have a radical supreme court beholden to very right-wing idiologs. the idea they would let this law sit there and not stop it is outrageous. the majority said it was novell and complex. it's not novell or complex. it's much like the klu klux klan act stopped catching slaves in free states after the dred scott decision. bounty hunters were allowed to go into free states and steal slaves back and bring them back to the south. and after the civil war our congress passed the klu klux klan act, which gives you a right to sue individuals who act under a color of state law to violate the rights of others. that's exactly what is happening here. it's not complex. and the supreme court has ruled twice that that is acting under color of state law if the state law gives private rights of action that help you violate

other citizens' rights. so it's really an outrageous decision and it is a lie that it is complex or novell. it is novell that they are using it for abortion. even in 1973, the supreme court ruled that the state can't delegate veto power over abortions to individuals. it is not that novell. it shows how far right-wing the supreme court has come. >> aside from fixing the supreme court, as you put it, nancy, how do you challenge this texas law? >> well, since they stopped a hearing that was supposed to take place today -- i don't know how you stop these radical -- i think, well, thank god we have garland in the department of justice. we have to criminally prosecute under the face act, an act that protects women's rights to actually go to an abortion provider and get medical care

for reproductive decisions that are supposed to be private. so the face act should be very, very vigorously enforced. and entities that go into court and try to stop priors and uber drivers and friends and family who support a women's right to make her own medical decisions -- they should be criminally charged under face act, not just civilly. we need to fight this as hard as we can because these people are ruthless and they will do anything. if you have been near an abortion clinic recently, and i have, it is so abusive to women who is happening there. they had bright lights out the minute this became law on september 1st. looking into women's cars. how do you know how pregnant a woman is, by the way? most people don't know they are pregnant by six weeks? how do you know that? does the law give them the right to violate hippa and get women's medical records? as was pointed out in that

wonderful piece, these are people who say you can't force me to wear a mask to stop a pandemic. so it's very difficult how we are going to fix this. >> erin, go ahead. >> so one of the issues with the face act with respect to this texas law is that merrick garland's tools are limited pause a lot of the clinics in texas have either closed their doors or because they are afraid of getting sued just in a financially ruinous fashion under this law they are no longer performing abortions after six weeks. so some of the statements of support that you cited in introduction to this segment, they are really just nibbling sort of at the emgs of what this law is about. because an uber driver can't be charged -- anyone who is aiding and abetting can't be charged unless someone is getting an abortion after six weeks. and the providers in texas, at least getting an abortion at an abrgs clinic as opposed to some kind of surreptitious way, which

is certainly going to increase under this law, and hopefully people can do so safely. right now if you are an abortion provider in texas you are not providing abortions after six weeks. so we don't even have to get those bipartisany hunters. they don't even have to get those bounty hunters on the trail of individuals who are seeking medical care. they have already won by shutting down abortions after six weeks. the face act may be really important in other states that are not texas or in the clinics that are still providing limited services up to six weeks. but we all know that what happens in texas is not going to stay in texas. individuals are already seeking abortion care in states nearby. they are going anywhere that they can find if they have the means to travel. and at those clinics, we all know that every time abortion is sort of in the public eye, this is a daily reality at clinics that can always get worse, the violence and the intimidation outside of clinics accelerates. >> yeah. >> i have reported at many, many

abortion clinics. it is already a scary situation walk in. individuals are just -- women and other people who are getting abortions are just trying to get their medical care. and they are screamed at. there are expletives, threats of violence. to the extent that enforcing the face act will protect abortion patients in other states, that's great. it won't make a difference to the fact that you cannot get an abortion at a clinic after six weeks in texas. >> this conversation needs to keep going. erin car moan and nancy erica smith thank you both. coming up, the super charged debate over race and eide. we go inside the fight dominating one wealthy community next. and trump on mt. rushmore. we are going to explain this one coming up. n this one coming up. but with nurtec odt that's all behind me now. nurtec is the first and only option proven to treat and prevent migraines with one medication. onederful. one quick dissolve tablet can start fast and last. don't take if allergic to nurtec. the most common side effects were

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welcome back. turning now to the national debate over the country's reckoning with its past and what many say is the need for honest teach being race and history. this u.s. push intensified in the wake of the george floyd murder now leading to a backlash

on the right with gop lawmakers introducing dozens of bills attacking so-called critical race theory. in some towns, teachers and school officials have even been fired for teaching materials that address america's racial past. the town of south lake, texas, has become an epicenter in debate. and it is the subject of nbc's newest podcast, south lake. >> controversy in south lake tonight after teens posted a racist video. >> it was a wealthy, idyllic town forced to confront racism. >> my children were told, rosa park is dead, you all have to sit in the back of the bus. >> when the school board presented its plan this small town fight fueled a national storm. this is south lake. >> the third episode of the podcast dropped today highlighting how political figures work behind the scenes

to stop a so-called liberal takeover. >> the most important elected position in the united states of america is school board. if you are not invested in making sure that your children are getting a quality education instead of an indoctrination, and way that that continues on -- if we don't get control of these school boards, the left is very strategic in what they are doing. if you are here to be a part of a state that understand whaz the second amendment is all about, because as long as you are armed, you are a citizen. if you are disarmed, you are a subject. you can be here in texas. if you don't understand that, go back to where you came from. >> all right, joining me now is nbc news co-host and correspondent antonia hilton. this podcast is so incredible. i was taken the first moment i started listening to it. it's so brilliant. it's so needed. and so many of my friends this i

have been hearing from about this podcast have said to me, it reminds them of their own school experiences, these micro aggressions things they kinds of put in the back of their minds because they never thought -- they never realized what was being said about them. a couple things. what do you want people to take away from south lake? >> well, first, thank you so much. that's heartening to here. that's why mike and i set out to do this work. i think, as people have watched this fight over critical race theory, which is really a tug-of-war over the american story, around, you know, what we want to believe about our identity, what parts of our history we are comfortable talking about. as we watch that play out, south lake it became clear was really at the center of this. their fight got started in 2018, before critical race theory was a phrase most americans knew about. it started with this video that came out that you showed in a clip right there. at first in 2018 these issues

weren't politicized when the plan to address racism in the district in 2020 after george floyd's murder all of this is politicized and racialized and there is now a restraining order that blocks any work on this s story of south lake is the story of their town. even if they're far away from texas, these issues of diversifying towns and people trying to grapple with the reality of how different types of people came to the country, what it means to be american for them, and having those messy and uncomfortable conversations, that's happening everywhere. it's almost comforting for them to be able to hear from a to z, how did we all get here. >> i have a good friend who is texting me constantly because it's happening in her town in her board of ed meetings and it's troubling for her and trying to figure out what to do, and the people getting hurt the most, the educators and the kids. >> the kids. >> what was the most troublic thing you found in looking at south lake?

>> well, one of the most troubling dynamics i would say i found is that when you look at a lot of the early reporting on the situation there, when you talk to folks in town, they center the voices of local politicians like allen west who you mentioned, powerful parents, well known administrators or teachers in the district, but the kids are often left out. when you're at the school board meetings, they don't get to talk about the education they want or believe they deserve. there are all these adults at each other's throats fighting about the issues, but the people who are going to live with the consequences of what happens, that's the children. but they are consistently excluded from the conversation, and even directly discounted at times. we try to do the opposite in our reporting. >> antonia hylton, it's so good. it's such an important conversation to be having and hopefully people are having conversations around their dinner tables after taking a listen to your podcast. check out southlake wherever you get your podcasts. >> before the break, it looks

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one final sad note before we go. nbc confirming actor michael k. williams was found dead at his home in brooklyn this afternoon. a five-time emmy nominee, williams was best known for his iconic turn as omar on "the wire." also for his roles on boardwalk empire and love craft country. he was also a passionate advocate for at-risk youth. williams was 54 years old and an incredible talent. he will be missed. that does it for me. keep it right here on msnbc for more news coverage. you can catch me on saturdays and sundays from 3:00 to 5:00 p.m. eastern.

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with republicans now brazenly traipsing into the arms of the most extreme elements of the gop base where the law that all but bans abortion in texas and turns neighbors and friends into bounty hunters, the question before us is this -- what are democrats going to do with their control of the u.s. house of representatives, the u.s. senate, and the white house to protect reproductive freedoms? not just for the women of texas but for all the women in this country. that is now the critical legacy making question for the party and for the biden