ceiling. >> hans nichols, great work. and thank you very much. thanks to all of you for getting way too early with us, i'll see you in a moment with "morning joe" which starts right now ♪♪ that is a beautiful shot, and willie, you know what, you know, we haven't been able to get mika down from her penthouse at the comcast building. for a year and a half, you know, a lot of green screens there, so she'll pretend she's doing like instagram shots. oh, look at me, here i'm in florida, i'm in maine. right, she's always up there. a lot of times -- >> nope, i'm right here with you. >> the green screens get in the way. >> good morning and welcome to "morning joe." >> there it is. there's your penthouse. >> september 8th. >> look at all the television antennas on top. >> that's all for her. >> instagram feeds and the green screen. >> her direct tv set up. >> we got her for the first time

in a year and a half come down. >> it's amazing. taking her meals at the top of the building out of isolation. >> i'll just wait until you guys are done. >> i'm not talking about the jars. >> really, do we have to have these two back together again. >> we got to the jars. >> can we just say, our baseball teams suck. we need to start following like the milwaukee brewers. let's go to the central time zone, they can't be any worse than they are right now. >> the division is over. yankees lost again last night, 9 1/2 out. red sox lost, ten out. seattle, oakland, toronto. then we're playing one game to get into the playoffs. >> we're all sitting on the titanic. we can be thinking we're going to hold on. it's too late. >> the surging toronto blue jays look far better than the yankees or red sox. the red sox concluding on a nightly basis.

that one game playoff if it were to happen, it would just be a race to the bottom, frankly. >> before i say this about your yankees, let me say this, the boston red sox may be the worst team in the history of organized baseball but your new york yankees as i think alex told me last night, they were described as schizophrenic. they look like world series champs over the past month, now they're back to the guys where, you know, sanchez is eating a hogie behind home plate. the ball goes past. i'd get it, but, they are the least athletic baseball team i have seen. >> they're mashing, hitting home runs and pitching well or they're not. lost two in a row to the blue jays. the blue jays could pass the yankees, and lost two to the orioles before that. the division is gone. the rays are too good. >> johnny carson always said the secret was the central time

zone. do we adopt a central time zone team. >> brewers, a good choice. chicago white sox are a lot of fun. a lot of great players there. maybe teams that can field the ball, catch the ball, pitch the ball, joe. >> it's the bad news bears. >> it's nice. >> is this when you pretend you're not watching. >> actually, it's kind of nice that we're together, and you guys can waste time together. >> finally came down from the top of the building. >> we're here to do "morning joe" which involves some of this, but then we move on to news. >> i don't know. >> okay. it is nice to be in person! doesn't the nfl start this season? >> tomorrow night. >> yeah. >> roll tide, by the way, haven't seen you since the blow out in miami. >> what about mac? we're excited about mac jones in new england. we're very excited about mac jones. >> he's tuscaloosa's answer to tom brady. that clip will haunt me for the

rest of my life. he's good. he doesn't make mistakes. >> in a belichick offense, that's what you want. don't make mistakes, unlike dale jones. >> he's young. he's got plenty of times. he's going to be good. trust me. mika, i know you're interested in the giants young quarterback. >> no, but i want you to talk about that coach from kentucky. >> oh, cal perry. >> i'm not telling you what to do. i'm not telling you what to do, listen i got covid, i had the vaccine, i care about my team, the fans. >> we've got to play this for everyone. >> he does this thing about tattoos. you won't see me with tattoos, i hate needles, that really hurts, but i got this one needle. sort of like his way of suddenly saying, if you get tattoos, all over, one shot. >> we'll play it coming up, but

everyone's doing what they can to try and get people vaccinated so we can have a safe country. let's start, though, with residents in the northeast who are still recovering from the devastation of storm ida. president biden toured neighborhoods in new york and new jersey yesterday, offering words of comfort and promises of support to those affected, emphasizing the reality of a worsening climate. nbc news correspondent gabe gutierrez has more. >> reporter: with the devastating after math of ida's remnants sprawled across the northeast, president biden toured hard hit communities, comforting families and highlighting the urgency of climate change. >> climate change poses existential threat to our lives, to our economy and the threat is here. it's not going to get any better. the question can't get worse. we can stop it from getting worse. >> reporter: the president approving major disaster

declarations for counties in new jersey and new york, pouring more federal aid into them. in queens, where gut wrenching video showed officers trying to rescue a family from a flooded basement, frustration spilled over. as flood survivors struggle with the new normal. >> it's a shame. it really is. something has to be done. i can deal with it. not after 38 years. i'm getting too old. >> reporter: in manville, new jersey, julie ann is in shock days after the storm. >> we didn't know where to go, and all of mayville is on fire around us. there's water everywhere. there's nowhere to go. her mother shows us how the water flooded the garage after it destroyed their basement. >> it seems each one gets worse and worse. >> reporter: this area also flooded during the remnants of floyd in 1999 and irene in 2011. >> how sick are you of this happening over and over again. >> i was 50 the first time, 60

the second time, and 70 the third time. >> reporter: the water reached past fill layup bucelli basement and into the first floor, triggering gas leaks, homes and businesses exploded. >> are you worried about the future consequences of climate change? >> yes. >> reporter: owned this property that used to be a banquet hall. >> my business is hurt, my family is hurt, i'm building from scratch, all my money is gone. i don't know what is going to happen next. >> thanks to gabe gutierrez for that report. president biden's visit to new york and new jersey came days after visiting new orleans where he surveyed the storm damage there, and comforted families affected by hurricane ida. biden has been witness to several natural disaster so far in his first term. "the washington post" ashley parker writes that biden has traveled to storm ravaged communities on trips that fulfill his basic duties as president but also allow him to

demonstrate his signature calling cards, compassion and competence. and more from ashley parker's report, quote, the president's handling of such disaster also lets him push a message that has been central to his appeal since he was a candidate. that government can work for its people. and that bipartisanship, at least in moments of crisis, still exists. meanwhile, the white house is asking congress for a big investment in future disaster relief. the biden administration is requesting an additional $30 billion in funding from congress. 24 billion to help recovery efforts for california wildfires and hurricanes, and the remaining 6 billion to help with the resettling of afghans in the united states. insurance losses from hurricane ida are estimated to climb as high as $25 billion. joining us now, cofounder of punch bowl news, anna palmer, she's an msnbc contributor. anna, good morning, so much money, so many figures flying around here, when you consider

the legislation, the new requests from president biden, how quickly can they move on all of this, and how much help will they get from republicans. >> this is really going to put president biden's bipartisanship theory to the case. this is really all going to come to a ahead at the end of the month september 30th when government funding needs to be extending. they're looking at the debt limit, and then these extra pieces you just mentioned here. republicans are in a tight position. they have been saying that they are not going to help democrats raise the debt ceiling but for these republicans in the storm ravaged areas, are they really going to vote against storm relief and assistance that their constituents desperately need because they are wanting to oppose the president. that's going to be the conundrum we're going to see in the next couple of weeks. >> and the disaster just keep coming and this year especially just seems to keep picking up. willie, a friend i was with from new canaan, and we were talking,

god, five, six years ago, and he's a very conservative guy, never voted for a democrat, and i said, so what are you doing, well, i run the tables for an insurance company. and i said, oh, basically all i do now is i just pay out. i write checks. we write checks for natural disaster. he said, i'm a conservative. never vote for a democrat, and yet, i'm telling you all you have to do is just look at what our insurance company has been paying out through the years, and if you don't believe in climate change, and if you don't believe it's not wrecking our globe, let me just open up our books, it's real. it's devastating. and it's accelerating. we have got to do something about it. and here we are, that was five, ten years ago, here we are. and again, it just keeps getting worse. >> and that's the argument that

i think is most salient to people who say, well, okay, maybe it's happening. i don't think it's happening as fast as we said. al gore said florida was going to be under water. that didn't happen. you hear that skepticism. when you look at the numbers, the financial losses, forget the human and environmental toll for just a second, and you talk to people and say this is how much it's costing us. how much it's costing you. look at the insurance premiums, the burden at the state and federal level. it's out of control and undeniable from nonpartisan scientists that it's happening and getting worse. >> and it's accelerating. i guess the question is, jonathan, what is joe biden going to do different than past presidents. do they have a specific plan other than throwing money at a problem. we hear $3.5 trillion. i think it might help for us to better understand what's he going to do. first of all, on climate change with all the money that they want to spend on it. that's first. second, and i can't repeat this

enough. like, this is a china problem. this is an india problem. china is a bad actor on the world stage. no doubt about it, so many things we could talk about. if we don't sit down with china and get a deal with china on climate change, nothing we do here is going to matter. of course we have to keep going in the right direction. but what do we do? how do we get that done? >> the president's travel itinerary, he was in the gulf states yesterday, the northeast yesterday, heading to california early next year to look at the wildfire damage, and he's taking these moments and using them to push for his agenda, the build back better, the 3.5 reconciliation bill has a lot of climate change funding in there. how much remains to be seen. that's the negotiations. we heard from senator man chin just yesterday reporting that he doesn't want to support anywhere near 3.5 trillion. >> for the overall package.

>> something closer to 1 trillion. >> does he talk specifically about what he thinks can be cut. >> he's starting to. and some of it is free community college, and other things are concerns about climate change measures. west virginia, it's a coal producing state, that's going to be harder to sell to constituents, and as part of the international piece, you're right, and the administration knows it well. the president yesterday spoke about how he convened a virtual summit of world leaders earlier this year. xi jinping didn't make much of an appearance. this coming fall in scotland in glasgow, a climate summit years in the making, all of the leaders are supposed to be there. hoping to hammer out agreements on carbon emissions. it's unclear whether the rest of the world, china, russia, india will play ball. >> people can protest the president of luxembourg's office, they can go wherever they want to go but this problem right now starts and ends in

china. and we've got to figure out a way to get them to the table. and i'm wondering if you're hearing what i have been hearing from republicans who have been skeptical, deeply skeptical of climate change being a serious problem. i have been hearing from some republican thought leaders over the past year. more of a willingness to accept that climate change is real. that something has to be done with it. they sort of maybe their fall back is something needs to be done. we just don't know what needs to be done. >> yeah, i think you have seen a real shift, not only from republicans, and also industry. right? you started to see oil and gas companies change their positioning on this as just a realization that the world is getting warmer, that they have to kind of change with the times and that this is a real sentient political issue particularly for democrats but also for independents, and republicans are going to try to do everything they can to find a way to thread the needing. it's tough, they don't want to

go as far as democrats. we haven't seen bipartisanship in terms of little areas where you might see them actually working together on this issue. >> anna, stay with us. i want to talk about this next story around the supreme court and the justice department. house democrats yesterday pushed attorney general merrick garland to use the justice department's powers to prosecute texas residents who use the state's new abortion law to sue women seeking abortions. judiciary chairman jerry nadler of new york, and 23 house democrats wrote a letter to garland that reads in part, we urge you to take legal action up to and including the criminal prosecution of would be vigilantes attempting to use the private right of action established by that blatantly unconstitutional law. joining us now, reporter of the story, "new york times" reporter, msnbc national security analyst, michael schmidt. what recourse does the justice department have here? this is a law on the books in the state of texas. what can merrick garland do

about it? >> as we point out in our story, the administration officials and legal experts basically were saying in the past few days that there are not a lot of great options. there are not a lot of clear options. there are not a lot of things that this president and this justice department can do to really push back on this texas law. there have been a lot of different theories that have been put out there. there was an op-ed in the "washington post" over the weekend by lawrence tribe that proposed using a law similar to the one that nadler did in the letter that he sent to garland about how the federal government can use its powers to prosecute those that try and deprive another american of, you know, of their constitutional right. but when you talk to legal experts they say, look, all of these things face a lot of complications, a lot of that based on the fact of how the

texas law is structured. the fact that it strips the power of enforcement from the states and it gives it out to the average citizen. and the fact that a lot of these case, if they were brought, would be brought in civil cases where the government would have to intervene. it's a complicated thing that the justice department hasn't really been forced to confront in certainly recently times, and because of that, they're sort of stuck, so the president's base, obviously very upset about this texas decision. there's a lot of angst about it, but there are not a lot of clear solutions. and that's what we were writing about. >> so michael one of the solutions is, i mean, if a constitutional right is taken away in one of the biggest states in america that's been on the books, that's been written into the constitution for about half a century, if it's a procedural problem, why don't --

i'm curious, why don't abortion rights activists go ahead and get that plaintiff out there. have they done that yet, where somebody actually challenges the case, sues somebody in texas or is everybody just frozen in place right now? >> well, that is what was at the heart of the original decision by the supreme court was a case that had been brought to try and stop this law, to try and stop it from going into effect, and that is what got caught up in the court system, and the court ultimately, you know, did not intervene in that case. >> the court is saying there's not a plaintiff. if there's not a plaintiff, i would have thought by now there would be a plaintiff, somebody would have already sued somebody or a doctor would have, you know, would have sued somebody or somebody would have gone ahead. >> it's easily fixed. >> it seems to me if the supreme court is saying we can take away

this constitutional right because there's not a plaintiff, why don't pro choice advocates and actually people who support the constitution of the united states, why don't they find that plaintiff? >> so my sense talking to folks in the past few days is that that case has not come to fruition yet. maybe something has been filed in texas that we don't know about. maybe there is some case that is sort of working its way through. at this point, that case has not come. the law has been in effect since september 1st. you need time for it to play out. i think on top of that, the impact of the law is an incredible deterrence effect because anyone that is associated with an abortion and helping someone receive an abortion can face these severe fines. and what one person i was

talking to last night said was one of the aims of the law was the deterrence of it, and what do you do to take on that deterrence, and how do you find that victim, and we are only so many days into that law. so my guess is that in the coming weeks, we will see new developments come out of this because the law has been around for much longer, but it is still extremely early in the age of that. >> texas governor greg abbott defended the states new abortion law, denying it forces victims of rape and incest to give birth. >> a rape or incest victim to carry a pregnancy to term. >> it doesn't require that at all because obviously it provides at least six weeks for a person to be able to get an abortion. so for one, it doesn't provide that. that said, however, let's make

something very clear, rape is a crime. and texas will work tirelessly to make sure that we eliminate all rapists from the streets of texas by aggressively going out and arresting them and prosecuting them and getting them off the streets, so goal number one in the state of texas is to eliminate rape so that no woman, no person will be a victim of rape. >> well, governor. >> i don't know where to begin. >> i don't know where to start. why don't we start by showing how texas fares when it comes to rapes. more reported in the state of texas than any other state in america, and my god, if that's the number that's reported, it's chilling to figure out what that real number is. and so here, the top state and

the most reported rapes has a governor saying we're going to stop all rapes. >> really, six weeks? does a woman even know she's pregnant at six weeks, many don't. >> it's really, we are -- we're in a preposterous state here, whether you are pro choice, whether you are pro life, if you are pro constitution, this is preposterous that a constitutional right can be taken away on a procedural ground, a procedural move that as i said yesterday blue state governors can use to ban handguns, ban prayer in private schools, can ban one constitutional right after another based on the supreme court precedent. what are democrats expecting

from the white house? >> i think democrats in washington feel they're in a pretty tough position in terms of what they can do. certainly they don't expect anything legislatively to happen. certainly merrick garland to act as aggressively as possible. at the end of the day, most have started to pivot, to look at this as a midterm election issue. this is going to be something that is so outrageous for their base and for independents that this is something they can use against republicans. face it, republicans control a lot of state legislatures and the governorships for these conservative states and are going to be pressing these issues, slash to voting rights in a lot of states. two issues that are fundamental to democrats but as long as the filibuster is along. >> there are a lot of people that are against abortion who think this law is outrageous, who think there should be exceptions for rape and incest. and they don't want this to be the fight they have to challenge. >> vigilantes, and also people

who are pro life who are lawyers who i have talked to over the past several days that say this is the worst precedent they could imagine. what happens when new york state decides to ban hand guns, and do it in a way where it's not enforced by an attorney general but if your neighbor sees you with a handgun, they can get you fined $10,000 et cetera, et cetera. imagine what the right would do in that case. that's why you're hearing more of a muted response from the right on this, because they know that whether you're a conservative or a liberal, this is unconstitutional. and for the life of me, for the life of me, i can't figure out why those five justices not only put the court but the country in this place. again, let's slow this down for a second. let's think about this for a second, and one of the largest states in america, a constitutional right that 70% of americans don't want overturned.

that only 28, 29, 30%, if you have been looking at polls over the past 30 years want overturned. that constitutional right has been taken away in the state of texas based on procedure. that's bizarre. it's dangerous. and the precedent, it's just god awful. i would love to know what the five justices thought who said, yeah, you know what, we're just going to take away a constitutional right based on procedure. >> three appointed by donald trump, and as you know, democrats don't like this law. this is a fight they're happy to have. they can point to a $10,000 citizen bounty, neighbor versus neighbor, they like their chances in that fight. >> sure. it's a political issue. i think their hands are somewhat tied legally. we have heard what the department of justice will try to do. offer protections for the women there, clinics in texas, and so on, and there are concerns that similar legislation will be

passed in other states, particularly those down south. this is going to be something that democrats hope becomes an issue for next fall, for those midterms, and anna is right to draw the parallel to voting rights. white house aides i have talked to in the past couple of days say the same thing. there's real anger on the left, passion on the left. the president will go out and speak about it, of course. he'll deliver speeches. unless that filibuster goes away, there seems like little appetite to happen, among a number of democrats. they're not going to be able to get things done on capitol hill. a political issue, to help rally the base next fall as they try to keep control of both houses of congress, which is an up hill climb when the president of your party is in office. >> does anybody think this will be enforced? does anybody think a vigilante, and if a vigilante does turn in a 16-year-old who's been raped and is getting an abortion, does anybody really think that the

court system in this country is going to penalize a 16-year-old who has been raped, who's going to get an abortion? i mean, let's play this out. this is just so heinous. i can't believe that if it's actually -- if you follow through on this, willie, or jonathan, or mika, that they're going to move forward on it, because it will blow up in their faces immediately. >> you would think. >> that day. >> yeah, it's hard to imagine, and i do think you're right. we've heard very little from republicans actually coming out in favor and support of this. a lot of the big national figures, including those from the state of texas have stayed largely silent on this. they know, we assume, the risks that are involved. anna palmer of punch bowl news, thank you so much for being on this morning, michael schmidt, thank you as well for your reporting. and still ahead on "morning joe," the cdc now says 75% of

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welcome back to "morning joe," 32 past the hour. a live look at the white house as the sun comes up over washington. joining us now, msnbc contributor, mike barnicle. hi, nice to see you! how's it going?

>> so this is the clip that we were referencing at the top of the show when you guys were talking about nothing. i tried to bring up something. kentucky basketball coach john calipari yesterday on the importance of getting vaccinated against covid. >> i'm not telling anyone what to do with their body. i'm telling you what happened to me and what's happened to my friends and i care about -- my concern is 12 players, and our fans. i don't want to hear anybody died because they didn't do it. i'm just saying it doesn't say you'll never get it. but the chances of something severe happening are really really low. and i want us to have a full arena this year. but we're going to have to go with what the health officials say, so let's hope we beat this

down. and i got through to one person. i saved a life that said, you know what, it's free, i don't like shots -- i don't like shots either, believe me. my wife couldn't believe i went. when i see a needle i about faint. you'll never see a tattoo on this body. what, a tattoo, no, because i'm not taking a needle. you take the shot, you got a chance. i'm not saying, telling anybody what they have to do, i'm telling you what happened to me. >> brilliant. >> my mom and dad both graduated from kentucky. my dad had dragged me around to games across the south. he would be proud. he would be proud. >> that was brilliant. >> go big blue. >> i have known coach cal for nearly 30 years, and he's never changed and he's right on that. absolutely right. and it took some courage for him to do that. >> and that little under handed way of getting them to

understand, you're already taking a needle if you're getting a tattoo, and i wouldn't even do that. >> exactly. and you know, willie, kentucky is far behind in vaccines compared to a lot of other states. despite the fact you have coach cal saying that, mitch mcconnell has been talking about it consistently. he has been one of the more responsible republicans on covid, on vaccines. >> early on. >> unfortunately rand paul has been one of the more reckless senators when it comes to this. >> we have seen some of these big public figures in these southern states. nick saban way back when, first on masks psa, then on the vaccine, and the way he puts it he's coach saban, look, i want to have my football games, i want the guys on the field and i want to win a national championship. and senator tuberville credit on this, he has come out, former auburn coach, united states senator, go get the vaccines. you have all of these trusted, that's the why trusted health experts talk about, you have to

have trusted community leaders. it hasn't had a huge impact in alabama, but kentucky the rates are better. >> the white house says 75% of adults in the united states have received at least one dose of a covid-19 vaccine. the national vaccination rate has been on the rise since early july. >> by the way, that 75%, i mean, that's great. >> that's good. >> you start getting over 80%, and we're really getting to a point. >> new polling shows the majority of americans are now in favor of requiring proof of vaccination for certain every day activities and the latest gallop poll, 53% say they support a vaccine requirement for dining inside a restaurant. that's up 13 points from when the question was asked back in april. the latest survey also shows a major boost in support for requiring hotel guests to show proof of vaccination. 53% now said they backed that measure compared to 44% in

april. and support for showing proof of vaccination in order to fly has also ticked up from 57% in april to 61% last month, and that probably would like level off some of the in-air altercations that we're seeing lately with people getting pad at each other. tensions are high in the skies. >> and with the delta variant going around, really, there is still an ideological divide. it's not as great as an ideological divide. you look at seniors, almost nine out of ten seniors have gotten the vaccine. and now you're seeing a lot of others. when push comes to shove, they will get off of facebook, and they will go do what they need to do for their children, their families, their friends. >> a couple of things, one, it makes you wonder, thursday when the president addresses the nation on this, does he use the word mandate for often, does he impose mandates on several aspects of getting the vaccine.

the other thing is how did we get here. how did we get here in a country this big, this free, this open. >> how much time you got? >> you've offered a vaccine for free that can perhaps save your life, certainly mitigate the circumstances of getting this virus, and people say no, no, i don't want anything like that. >> the vaccine that people across the world that would stand in line for days. >> yes. it's a miracle that we got it, and by the way, it was donald trump's administration who started this process. >> yeah. >> and if you can make that case to a lot of the people who are hold outs, who live on facebook and read the conspiracy theories. donald trump can obviously make the case himself. >> he's done it and he got booed. >> personal freedom. couldn't help himself. >> there are just a lot of people in this country, a percentage of people in this country who are never going to get the vaccine, but as this sweeps through the south, as icu's fill up, as people who

don't have it themselves but know someone who has been sick or died in their neighborhood. >> how about children getting it. >> all of a sudden the reality settles in. or your kid can't get into an icu, these things add up, and you start to think, all right, maybe if i get the vaccine, we can get this under control. >> one thing i think the biden white house could do where they don't have to pass a vaccine mandate, which i support, by the way, i think if we were a serious country, 25, 30% of people don't want it, too bad, it's approved by the fda, we require it for children getting into the schools, enough is enough. but, one thing they could do short of that, mike, is they could actually be more aggressive on psas, and people don't think psas don't work. i forget the name of the actor. i think it's 1959, elvis went on ed sullivan to push kids to get the polio vaccine, and it actually made a huge difference.

there are certain figures that can make a pretty big difference. i remember when i was very young, either hearing about or seeing the actor who died of lung cancer, but he did a psa before he died of lung cancer, basically said don't have happen to you what happened to me. i mean, it seems to me that especially of course you need people like calapari for more conservative people on the right, but certainly in communities people of color and communities where there's still a real hesitancy, public service announcements can help there. public service announcements can help with some of the more die hard trump supporters. >> yeah, you know, on the psa thing, it would seem to me, looking back at the multiple numbers of messages, the messaging that's come out of the white house and the cdc about this, a lot of it has been based on the root of fear. you better get this or you could

die. instead of like there was a symbol of sort of rhetoric of hope in coach cal's thing, you know, go that way. >> go big blue. >> get tom brady on there. you know, i just got the vaccine, i feel great, and i'm 43 years old and i'm going to play like i'm 12, i'm going to play forever, i got the vaccine. >> you get people out there saying this is about winning. i haven't heard a whole lot about people in alabama that aren't vaccinated right now. i would think that nick saban probably wouldn't let somebody come and play on the team if they're going to get ten players sick. three games into the season. it's like coach cal said, you know, i'm worried about our basketball team. i'm worried about our fans. i want the arena to fill up. get the vaccine. i just think we can be more aggressive. >> and the s.e.c. has a conference wide campaign, s.e.c. backs the vax. they have come out in support of

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similar to the old one. the taliban announced an all male interim government loaded with veterans of the 1990s regime. included in that group is the new interior minister, who is on the fbi's most wanted list with a $5 million bounty on his head. he's also believed to be holding at least one american hostage. the announcement of the new regime came just hours after the taliban forces arrested several journalists and fired guns into the air to disburse protesters in kabul. the a.p. reports one taliban fighter ripped a microphone away from a journalist and began beating him with it. with the u.s. mission in afghanistan over after nearly 20 years, the biden white house says it will shift its focus to other threats and adversaries around the world. one of those adversaries is china. but despite the powerful chinese

government having little in common with a taliban rule in its infancy, the two sides are finding some common groundment joining us now nbc news foreign correspondent janis mackey frayer live in beijing. janis, what more can you tell us about this? >> reporter: publicly we have seen china gloating about the u.s. withdrawal and how messy it was. privately, officials here are more circumspect. they were never happy about having a large u.s. military presence on the other side of its border locked in a war but china did arguably enjoy the benefit of having the u.s. and nato forces shouldering the security burden in the region for the last 20 years. so now china has opportunities to flex it soft power muscles, to make massive investments in infrastructure, but it is also facing serious risks. china is fearful of attacks inside the country.

it's that threat that they've used as justification time and again for its policies with uyghurs and other minorities. but security is what's driving china's relationship with the taliban and what they are now calling friendly relations. there was a taliban delegation that came here in july. they gave security assurances. they're declaring china as their most important partner. these are all moves that the u.s. is going to be watching very closely. now, i sat down with a retired senior colonel in china's pla, the people's liberation army, and it's rare that we get to hear from a military insider. he recently wrote an opinion piece for the "new york times" that talked about china's golden opportunity which is mainly to capitalize on what's widely seen as the failure of u.s. policy. how does china feel about the outcome in afghanistan? is it happy that the u.s. has

pulled out and in a messy way? >> china is at advantages, political impartiality, the second is huge economic opportunities for afghans. when i talk about the first point, let me remind you that afghans do not have bad memories of china being invaders because china has never invaded afghanistan, so when china talk about things it wants to do or if china talk about the security council, china's point is worthwhile. afghan is a war torn country, bad roads, poor houses, there is no industry, and china, besides is direct neighbors, so with american troops withdrawing, the major concern for chinese companies about security is gone. so these are huge opportunities. >> reporter: are the optics not strange that china is fighting extremism at home yet embracing

an extremist group next door? >> no, it depends on how you define taliban government. the fact is that afghan taliban has taken over the whole country, and they have promised to make changes in the right directions, so why don't we give them a chance. why would you insist they are terrorist groups, and who actually did the biggest damage in afghanistan. it's american led war. it's nato forces. >> reporter: china has yet to recognize the taliban government as the legitimate government of afghanistan. but to an extent, it's already doing the talibans diplomatic leg work, speaking on behalf of the group, asking the world to give it a chance. the taliban is counting on investment, and funding, given the fact that most of its foreign aid is going to dry up.

what we could see going forward is the beginning of a pragmatic partnership, if kabul does deliver on those security assurances that they have given to beijing. >> janis, i have heard from some time, i'm sure you have as well, from diplomats, and leaders of other countries that when the united states comes in to help a country, they talk about human rights, and they lecture them on, you know, ask questions, how are you going to treat certain religious minorities, how are you going to treat women and girls, and these diplomats say when the chinese come in, they just say, what do you need, how much do you want, here's the check. nothing attached to it. is that the sort of relationship we expect could possibly be set up here between china and afghanistan? >> well, chinese officials are known for their transactional diplomacy, and what is likely going to happen in afghanistan is that there are going to be these massive investments in

infrastructure. china sees the opportunity to finish that missing piece of the puzzle in the belten road initiative that will connect central asia to the middle east, so they do see the opportunity, and it's worth, for them, to take a gamble on the taliban, and you're right, the funding is going to come with very few questions asked about human rights, about democracy. so in that sense, there are some who believe that the taliban and china actually make a fairly good partnership. that doesn't mean that china is wading in too far. they realize that caution needs to be taken. that there are security risks. they have pakistan on side that is going to continue to be -- publicly, officials are saying that the taliban's deeds need to match their words, and they need to deliver on those security assurances. >> nbc's janis mackey frayer in

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welcome back to "morning joe," beautiful live picture. >> we're talking about everything that's coming out. >> the shows. . >> can i start with what we were talking about. only murders in the building on hulu starring steve martin, martin short, and selina gomez, all together. it's so funny.

they're solving a murder in their new york city building. i'll leave it at that. they all live in the building, and i'm going to interview them today for "sunday today," steve martin, martin short, together, gets no better. you were on a list of people that shouldn't be there. >> we've got succession coming up in october. >> can't wait for that. >> just unbelievable. >> "peeky blinders" our favorite show is coming up. >> in the middle of "ted lasso." >> will you tell martin short i say hi. he's amazing. will you make him do a little jinmmeny. >> he could do a tease for your show. >> i like it. >> i liked him in the 1975 hbo special. >> changed your life. >> if you feel excitement around the table, among red sox nation, it's because derek jeter will be

inducted into the baseball hall of fame today up in cooperstown, new york. >> would that be the first unanimous pick for the hall of fame? >> no, there have been others, haven't there? i think so. >> he's the only one, i think. i think jeter is the only one. >> that's what i just said. >> whatever. >> alex, can you check and see. >> my friend alex keith. >> there was a guy who voted. >> mariano? >> i thought he was. >> oh, mariano was the guy. >> he's one of those yankees. >> if you go through the list, there are people who didn't have willie mayes on their first ballot. but i digress, derek jeter is going into the hall of fame today. >> he's great. 14 time all star, five world series, 3,465 hits, obviously the leader of the dynasty for almost 20 years. you have larry walker going in. >> great ballplayer. >> marvin miller making it into

the hall of fame. >> more than anyone in the world changed the face of major league baseball. >> free agency. >> and ted simmons who played for the cardinals and brewers for a while, and the veterans community going in. jeter a year late because of covid. today finally officially will be in the hall of fame. >> was jeter the guy in the locker room that brought everybody together? >> paul o'neill, good locker room guys, tino pasada, and it came crashing down one cold night in boston, 2004. >> you're talking about sandy gomez, jeter had an incredible role, should have won the academy award for "the other guys." >> he was great. >> one of the most under rated movies of our time. i have seen that movie a thousand times. guess what i showed mika a couple of nights ago. >> and i'll never watch a movie

you suggest again. she's the only person in the world. >> i was like, i can't get the time back. it was the worst thing i have ever seen. i love jeff daniels, nice guy, i have interviewed him. he was on "cbs sunday morning," that's how it came up. that is an abomination. >> a classic. >> it's such a great movie. >> tom ten movies of all time. >> jeff daniels will tell you it's great, this great actor who plays atticus finch on broadway, he loves that movie to this day. >> loves that it makes people happy. >> he's a smart guy. >> dumb and dumber, that's a classic. it's a classic. >> now, i can't believe you anymore. >> i can't watch a movie you suggest. >> i suggested godfather, and you still hadn't seen that. have you seen the godfather yet? >> jeff daniels says he's very comfortable knowing in his

obituary someday they will talk about the toilet scene in "dumb and dumber," i embrace it, i live with it, that's fine. >> so many great moments. >> did you watch the other guys, did you do "the other guys." >> we can watch that tonight. >> wahlberg shoots jeter. >> now they're all available at the snap of a finger. >> how do people make money on these things? >> i would pay again every day to see "the other guys," i want to see it in imax. 3d. when they jump off the -- >> i tried to turn the tv off every five minutes in this movie. >> under the sidewalk, aim for the bushes. >> there weren't even bushes. dwayne johnson and sam jackson, a great moment in cinema history. aim for the bushes. >> i'm sad for our country.

>> it's amazing. >> we're going to move on now. it's way past the top of the hour. we have a lot to do. why don't you guys get yourself together. it's been a long time since we have been together i see. >> we're the other guys. >> okay. very good. >> we have jeff daniels on next week, right? monday he's coming in monday. we're going to have a debate. >> awkward. >> we're going to put daniels there, and you there. willie. >> you will not run from it, i promise. >> he knows it's bad. >> no, he doesn't. >> he will not run from it. do you hear yourself, he knows it's bad. it's the worst thing i've ever seen. >> it's going to go like this, i have done "newsroom number 3" number two "to kill a mocking bird," number one "dumb and dumber," his greatest achievement. landmark achievement. >> absolutely. one of the all time greats. >> moving on at five minutes past the hour. quote, the nation and the world

are in peril. president biden sounding the alarm on climate change after remnants of hurricane ida tore through the entire east coast. the president visited the flood ravaged cities of manville, new jersey, and queens, new york, taking the opportunity to highlight the need for new infrastructure as well. >> people are beginning to realize this is much much bigger than anyone was willing to believe, and the whole segment of our population denying this thing called climate change. >> right. >> sometimes my mother used to say, out of everything bad, something good will come if you look hard enough for it. i think we have all seen, even the climate skeptics are seeing that this really does matter. last week, right here in so many

other communities, these waved crashed through the streets here testing the ageing infrastructure and taking lives. more lives were taken here than down in louisiana. my message to everyone grappling with this devastation is we're here. we're not going home until this gets done. i really mean that. we're not leaving. we're going to continue to shout as long as it takes to get real progress here. folks, we have to take some bold action now. climate change poses an existential threat to our lives, our economy and the threat is here. it's not going to get any better. the question, can it get worse. we can stop it from getting worse. we got to listen to the scientists, and economists, and national security experts. they all tell us this is code red. the nation and the world are in peril, and that's not hyperbole. that is a fact. >> all right.

the ap jonathan lemire is with us, and the host of msnbc politics nation, and reverend al sharpton joins the table. good to have you. >> good to be here. >> jonathan, talk about the white house, what it plans to do this week to push the packages, and talk and tie it together with climate change? >> well, joe, certainly the president used his appearance in queens and new jersey yesterday to underscore the vital need for his infrastructure plan and that larger reconciliation bill which is going to include a lot of measures about climate change. as we have been discussing, its fate remains uncertain. it will be a bit of an up hill climb to keep democrats in line. most of the people i have talked to believe, look, there isn't going to be enough opposition from democrats who sbill, there

reconciliation bill. that's going to take a few weeks. this could slide past the aggressive timetable. they want this done by the end of the month. it could easily slip into october or move. and it adds to just frankly a remarkably full plate for this president who is still dealing of course with the after math of the withdrawal from afghanistan and the surge in coronavirus cases in much of the country. he'll be talking about that tomorrow as he outlines his plan to combat the delta variant. >> so i don't want to overstate this, but the only two people standing between joe biden and history being seen as a transformational president along the lines on social policy issues is lbj and fdr, right now are joe manchin and kyrsten

sinema because most democrats would line up behind the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill. they've got the trillion dollar bill they want to pass on infrastructure. you've got hold up on voting rights with those two senators. it's not republicans. they're all no. but democrats have in their hands the ability to shape the next 20 years. 20, 30 years with some of this legislation. you have talked to joe manchin, what breaks the roadblock. what's the middle ground. how do they get there? >> i think the only thing that's going to break the roadblock is the continued public pressure, all we have been doing, but for joe biden to finally just come out and say very privately or publicly, you guys are standing in the way of a real

generational change in terms of being able to establish what we have been able to establish with this $3.5 trillion package. remember, he left louisiana last week, now he's in new york and new jersey. climate change is real. infrastructure needs are real and he has to deal with both. we just saw texas governor abbott sign one of the most repressive voting state laws we have ever seen in a state that already had one of the most restrictive laws we have seen. >> right. >> voting and infrastructure development will define joe biden, and it's in the hands of sinema and manchin. >> you talked to joe manchin, other civil rights leaders talked to joe manchin, what does he need on the voting rights bill to get to where you need to be. >> he said he is open to discuss john lewis' bill before the senate, and now passed the

house. he was not there with senate bill one. even if we go with john lewis, he would have to support a carve out around the filibuster. you do not see ten republican votes. you cannot go for the ten republican votes we told senator manchin if we do not have all 50 democratic votes. >> isn't it amazing on civil rights, you look at the civil rights bill, the reauthorization of the civil rights bill, it used to be a bipartisan thing. >> absolutely. >> it used to be a bipartisan thing. for the john lewis voting rights bill, the supreme court itself, said you need to pass this legislation if you want us to continue interpreting civil rights laws. so congress did, what the court asked them to do, and here you have every republican opposing it. >> the supreme court decision, you just said it accurately, a lot of people don't understand that, did not ending voting rights act, it said fix this part, you need to go and deal

with the calendar. this was a 65 states that were delegated as having this pattern. therefore we need a new map. congress took until now to have the new map. you're doing what the court asked of them to do, and while we are haggling over whether we do it, i remember when i was a kid in elementary school, exactly what you said, the 65 voting rights passed. one of the advocates was a republican from illinois. edward dirkson, i just remember his name because he became an outstanding part of that history. where is he in the republican party today? where is the everett dirkson as a democrat from west virginia, mr. manchin, you can't be worse than everett dirkson, i remember as a little black kid in

brooklyn, there was a republican named everett dirkson, that my mother loved because he was voting for us not to have to sit in the back of the bus anymore. secretary of energy, jennifer granholm, thanks for being with us this morning. let's talk about these disaster, and how much money you think ought to be committed to fight claimant change. we know the white house is going to ask congress for $25 billion for immediate relief as we look at hurricane ida, and the wildfires in the west. i know president biden is heading out west in a matter of days, but big picture here, within these mass i pieces of legislation that we're talking about, infrastructure, human infrastructure, how much of that gets at these questions around climate change? >> i mean, there is two pieces, right, willie, what do you do about addressing the impacts of climate change, building back better, and resiliency, and all of that, and what do you do to prevent further climate change. the president has a goal of getting to 100% clean electricity by 2035, and net

zero carbon pollution by 2050, and in that reconciliation budget, there is a very significant, two very significant pieces of legislation. one is called the clean energy payment plan and that would incentivize utilities to build out clean electricity on the grid so you can get to that 100% goal by 2035 or 80% by 2030. the second piece is to incentivize the private sector to do the buildouts. extending tax credits for clean energy, clean defined broadly so that nuclear, geothermal, obviously wind, solar, hydro power can be included. the bottom line is the reason why we are seeing these extreme weather events is because we are putting carbon pollution into the air. and that is warming the oceans. that is causing climate change. so we have to do our part to reduce that, and then we can go to the rest of the world with

our head high, having some moral authority to say everyone has to get on board, and we're not the only ones saying that of course. all of these other countries have signed on to getting to net zero carbon pollution by 2050. we have to help make sure everyone is on board, and that includes china and india and other country. >> good morning, madame secretary. it's jonathan lemire, i wanted to follow up on that, the pieces of climate control, is the president going to draw red lines around them, they have to be included in the bill, even if it does shrink as negotiated in congress this fall. and you mentioned other countries, the scotland climate summit looms in a month and a half or so. what is the president's message going to be there? how tough will his talk be to countries hike china, russia, india and others. >> as you can imagine, jonathan, his talk could be tougher if we did our part. if we do nothing, what moral authority do we have to pressure other countries to do the same.

we are a massive carbon polluter as a country. we've got to do our part, and that's why this goal of getting these provisions in that second step, that reconciliation step are the pieces that will address climate change, and he has to get the pieces that allow communities to build back better and that's why it's significant to do that. let me say one other thing about that. the costs of inaction are so expensive, just earlier in year, we paid $152 billion to clean up after the texas weird winter storm. that $152 billion is just one event. and we are seeing these extreme weather events escalate. ida is the not the only one. the wildfires are not the only one. in the 1980s, we spent $13 billion a year cleaning up after extreme weather events.

in the 1990s, 27 billion. in the 2000s, 51 billion. in the past three years, we have spent $152 billion a year cleaning up after these extreme weather events and the texas storm was 130 billion alone. i'm just saying, if we do not do this now, you better believe the price tag is just escalating, and it's escalating exponentially. >> the math is there, energy secretary jennifer granholm, thank you very much for being on this morning. president biden is expected to travel to california early next week to campaign in support of governor gavin newsom ahead of the recall election next tuesday. vice president kamala harris has also scheduled to hit the campaign trail alongside newsome in her home state later today. harris had been scheduled to campaign with newsome last month but cancelled plans after a terrorist attack in afghanistan killed 13 u.s. service members

amid the final days of the u.s. withdrawal from the country. >> allow is that recount looking in california? >> it's going to come down to turn out. what i'm hearing from people on the ground in l.a. and in sacramento. it's about turnout. it's exciting people to turn out. now, when you see an extremist leading in the polls on the republican side, that's against everything that even talked about giving reparations to slave owners, that is helping turnout. i think the best thing happening to newsome is the thought that some extreme republican could become the governor. >> and it's still close! still close. >> and the ballot is set up so terribly. do you recall the governor, and then the second question, who do you want to be governor. >> it's a terrible set up. >> it has to be better wording than that. >> unfortunately he doesn't have enough time to change the wording. he's going to really have to

work on turnout, which is why vice president harris is going there today and the president is going because they really cannot take this for granted. can you imagine if they lose the biggest state in the union, governor's seat and have an extremist who would embarrass people in pre-civil war days as the governor of california. >> right. and democrats are fighting a close fight, in virginia, terry mcauliffe should be ahead by five, six, points, closer than it should be. >> newsome has a lead in the polling but not where you would expect. that's why you see the president and vice president rushing in there. >> what's that restaurant called, french laundry. >> that's coming back up again. just being seen as being out of touch. that was a moment. >> yeah, not great. donald trump is headed back to iowa. the former president will hold a rally at the iowa state

fairgrounds on october 9th. trump won the state in the 2016 and 2020 elections by at least 8 percentage points. trump's leadership pack announced the former president would hold a rally on september 25th. the president getting back in the groove here holding periodic rallies, which raises the question on many people's minds, if he's ramping up to something else. >> certainly anytime a figure like this campaigns in iowa, that particularly sparks those sort of questions, and we have been hearing, people i have talked to in trump's orbit say no decision has been made as to whether or not he will run. certainly it seems to be trending that way. earlier this year, there was a real sense around the former president that that would be it. he would likely of course try to stay relevant, tease a run as long as he could but at the end of the day, wouldn't pull the trigger. it's possible. there seems to be momentum building within his circles, and certainly among other republicans that also are

starting to suggest that he may run. you're hearing some from governor desantis in florida, nikki haley, mike pompeo who were seen as 2024 candidates but tempering their talk of their own runs because they want to be seen as deferential to the former president. we should note, willie, as a final note that georgia is former president trump's next stop. it was of course his inaction in georgia that so many republicans blame for the loss of those two senate seats in the special election in early january that gave democrats control of that chamber. trump did make one-half hearted appearance in georgia and spent the entire rally complaining about the press coverage. we have to imagine, more of the same when he takes the stage in a few weeks. >> we have the prospect of herschel walker, is he still behind herschel walker? >> that was his idea. >> he's been pushing herschel walker to face senator warnock.

>> and where is herschel from? >> i think he lives in texas, unless he's moved already to georgia. he does not live in georgia. unless the moving van has arrived he's not a georgia resident. lieutenant governor jeff duncan will be joining us. still ahead on "morning joe," the chance of a breakthrough infection is about 1 in 5,000. our next guest says it may be closer to 1 in 10,000. dr. ashish jha joins us next and the master mind behind the september 11th attacks is back in court. ken dilanian joining us from guantanamo bay for a new reporting on those proceedings. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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26 past the hour. there's times square, joe. >> yes, that is times square. very good. >> almost busy. >> five points. times square. can you show another picture. >> that's good. i just thought, it's kind of cool to be in new york, you know. >> and there's mika at the top of mika's penthouse. we got her down after a year and a half. >> never was south of france. >> mika, what's that? the louvre. i just found out something. we were talking about how, you know, talk shows, you know, '70s talk show, like smoke and drink. >> you want to start smoking again. >> again? i've never smoked before. but perfect time to pick up a bad habit. but you were talking about tom snyder, the great tom snyder, his lennon interview, but you

were introduced to the world on the tom snyder show, talk about your launch, who launched you. >> james brown, the god father of soul, and muhammad ali, introduced me that year as the guy they felt had promise to do leadership of black and brown. >> that is so cool. >> the most amazing night of my life. both of them on stage at the tom snyder show, in this building. 30 rock. in 1981. >> that's really cool. >> we have to find that clip. of course, i'm waiting for you to write a book and you got to tell the truth, to write a book about the god father of soul, and all of your handling. can you imagine? he had to take care of james

brown. >> how fun. >> no, that's not fun. >> fun is not the word. >> did you ever take it off and be like. >> i did about everything else, and i was one of the few people he'd bring in his inner circle other than his immediate family, so i saw it all. and i've shared a lot with you all. and he keeps telling me -- >> you got to put it out. >> it's sort of breaking the code. you can't write a book. >> but he was -- he called himself the godfather of soul, and he was the godfather, we were sworn to secrecy, you could never go out and tell. the reason i've written the book is i believe the godfather will come back and haunt me. >> i've interviewed david byrne. and he said he almost got out of music because he thought, hey, maybe i can do this, and then he went to see james brown in providence, rhode island, and he

thought, no, no, i'm not cut out for this. he was so great. it would be like an amateur fighter watching muhammad ali in 1964 or something like that. but speaking of ali. >> oh, my gosh. >> that's the night. >> look at james. look at that outfit. >> is he wearing a vest. >> he's got a cowboy hat on. that was the era where james was doing a lot of shows around, like, texas, louisiana, and he wanted to have that look of country western, and there's muhammad ali, and leading into that show, james brown called me to his room. he was staying here at one of the big hotels. he said, reverend, what's your name. i'm like what do you mean what's my name. he said, what's your name. i said alfred sharpton, he said your name is al sharpton, alfred is too long. and he changed my name. >> oh, my gosh. >> i would agree, yes.

>> and you said also that ali, you said he was -- >> he was a humane guy in private. a lot of guys, you meet guys, in private their arrogant, ali would do anything for everybody in private. he was very sensitive, very humble guy. probably one of the top five humane guys i have met in my life. >> when he's in public, he puts on a certain character role, gets in private, he's a very humane, very kind decent person. >> he would always ask, what's going on in this town? who needs some help, let's go over to the community center. he was that kind of guy. >> that's awesome. >> and he would do it. >> that is awesome. whereas james brown, he was consistent. >> he was the same on camera as off camera. >> as you see him demanding the band, that's how he was in the dressing room, that's how he was with the kids. he was a disciplinarian. if he called you at 2:00 in the

morning and said come to the room, he expected you to have on a shirt and tie. are you a preacher, what are you doing going out with the band. get to your room. i'm going to call and check on you. he's a disciplinarian. >> did he consult you on the outfit, i've seen canadian tuxedos, nothing like that. all denim, all the time. >> i'm wearing that tomorrow. >> we're supposed to work here. >> this is. the u.s. has reached a milestone in the fight against coronavirus of 75% of adults having -- >> you keep making these hard turns. we have to work on hard transitions. >> i could say shut up, but that wouldn't be nice. >> that would be old school. >> 75% having received at least one dose of a covid-19 vaccine, pretty good, right, and meanwhile, tomorrow, president biden is expected to announce a new strategy to combat the delta

variant. it comes amid some renewed fears of a new spike in cases from holiday travel. nbc news correspondent miguel almaguer explains. >> reporter: just as covid cases began to stabilize in pockets of the country, there is growing concern the nearly pre-pandemic number of americans who traveled for the holiday weekend could fuel another nationwide surge. it comes just as many young, unvaccinated children return to the classroom for the first time fearing worries over new outbreaks. officials urging parents to take extra precaution. >> i'm concerned about that conversion, that perfect storm of flu, covid, and everything else. >> reporter: with more than 100,000 hospitalized, big cities like austin are facing a serious shortage of icu beds. in idaho, some ten medical centers are now activating their crisis standards of care, facing

a crushing wave of covid patients, the hospitals are working under disaster like circumstances. the governor warned the entire state could soon have to ration care. >> i wish everyone could have seen what i saw in the icu last night. >> reporter: though many regions remain overwhelmed by hospitalizations, some experts believe new covid cases driven by the delta variant won't peak for several weeks. it comes as more cases of the mu variant are being detected nationwide and in counties like los angeles. though some fear it could be more resistant to vaccines. for now, authorities aren't overly concerned. >> there's no evidence that this variant is causing people that are fully vaccinated to end up in the hospital with severe disease, and we expect variants like the mu variant are going to rise. >> reporter: an evolving threat in an ever changing pandemic. >> joining us now dean of brown university school of public

health dr. ashish jha. great to see you. we are at this post labor day point that so many of us looked forward to as a return to some level of normalcy, and we hear the stories from the states with low vaccination rates. big picture from where you sit, where are we as a country right now? >> good morning, thanks for having me back. we're at a funny, i would precarious moment in this pandemic because we have two americaings. one america that is fully vaccinated that i think is worrying a little too much about the state of the pandemic, and then we have another america of largely unvaccinated people who are not worrying enough about what the delta variant is doing. and what we're seeing right now is hospitalization, obviously across the country, particularly in the south in very bad shape. again, all of this is turn aroundable, indoor masking, testing, all the stuff we have been talking about, we can turn this around but we've got to get our kind of policy house in order of states and federal government. >> when you say there are people

worrying too much that's very interesting that some places maybe have gone too far, places that already have high vaccination rates. what do you mean specifically, obviously there are two different camps, people who rushed out to get the vaccine and those all of these months later refuse to get it. >> if you're fully vaccinated, obviously if kids under 12 aren't vaccinated if other people are, infection numbers are low. and if you get a breakthrough infection, it's going to be mild, not going to end up in the hospital. for large parts of the country, i think getting back to some sense of normalcy is doable and reasonable at this point. we got to keep going. i want higher vaccination numbers. in those communities, things are in reasonably good shape. >> 75%, at least one dose of eligible adults have that shot. that's a pretty significant number. if you go back, would have taken that 75. what are your hopes that we can push up towards 80 and what would be the significance of

those higher numbers? we have been talking this morning about how even in some of the southern states as the reality of covid begins to hit, people know neighbors or perhaps have been touched by the disease themselves, maybe they are going out and getting the vaccine in greater numbers. >> yeah, so 75% of eligible adult haves one shot. that's good. people need two shots if you're going to protect yourself against delta, you need both, and if you look at the overall population, children included, we're at 52, 53% of americans fully vaccinated. we probably need to get to the 70 in that number. 90 plus% of adults need to be vaccinated, especially since the younger kids will not be eligible for a while. that's a ways to go, and again, i think very achievable and, the reason the numbers have crept up is because delta is so much more contagious, when you have a contagious variant, you need higher levels to tamp it down. >> what about booster shots, should people be thinking about

it now, people who got the second shot in the early stages when it was available, boosters readily available, should people be getting them now? >> i think we're going to hear more from president biden, and ultimately, i think we should wait for the fda and cdc to weigh in, all of which i expect is going to happen over the next ten days, two weeks. not a lot longer to wait. the science is becoming quite clear, older people, people who are chronically ill, frail, almost definitely need boosters. they would benefit from boosters. this is starting to look like a three dose regiment vaccine. other vaccines you have to take three shots of. that's what this is starting to look like. the big question, how about young healthy people, do they need a booster. the science is not so clear. i'm going to see where the data goes and the cdc and fda go on young healthy people. no doubt about it, old, frail, chronically ill, you need that shot. >> dr. ashish jha, always great to have your point of view on

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we won alabama by a record. we won south carolina by a record, and then they said we lost georgia, how the hell did that happen? that doesn't happen. no, we know how that happened. we know how it happened. >> former president trump just a few weeks ago continuing to cast doubt on the 2020 election results and placing blame for his loss on the state of georgia. >> a lot of republicans now didn't the minority leader steve say that -- or maybe it was jim jordan. willie help me out here, was it jim jordan that denied that he ever said the election was stolen. >> many of them have, kevin mccarthy. jim jordan. >> steve. got it. >> who trump referred to as steve a couple of times. and he probably still does.

>> and ron johnson, we saw ron johnson who really was dressing down a trump supporter saying no, trump lost wisconsin because trump lost wisconsin. and he laid it out more effectively than he thought he could. i think donald trump is on this one kind of alone for the most part. >> a little bit, yeah. joining us now georgia's republican lieutenant governor jeff duncan. he's the author of the new book "gop 2.0" how the 2020 election can lead to a better way forward for america's conservative party. yeah. that would be nice. >> so what does that look like? >> what does that look like and how does the first republican candidate that runs that way get elected? >> well, i think it starts by taking our medicine and realizing that donald trump lost the election because he missed a lay up, and he's blamed everybody in the stadium for missing that lay up. we've got to take our medicine, and move forward, and i'm a

conservative because of the policies. i think it's the best way to govern. i think it's the best way to run our businesses, and our families, and our future. that's why i'm a republican but we've got to move on from here and stop complaining about the past, and that really was, you know, the ten weeks of chaos was really the inspiration behind "gop 2.0" the book, a conversation with everybody in america who considers themselves a conservative and giving them a viable plan to move forward. >> you know, the rev and i were just talking, i don't understand a lot of these candidates, and maybe you can help me understand it better, but you take somebody like the representative from north carolina that's talking about civil war and bloodshed and taking up arms against other americans. you know, he or any other republican could have very easily taken my voting record, said i'm going to vote like, low

taxes, balance the budget, strong military, sort of moderate on environment. right on civil rights. moderate on civil rights, and he still would have gotten the same voting percentage. that's what i don't understand. like, what's in it -- this is all short term, and it's not really even a short-term game. it just causes more problems. why can't they be traditional conservatives and get the same vote? >> yeah, too many folks in politics on both sides of the aisle are addicted to these short-term sugar highs, right, these 10 second sound bytes, and look, leadership has got to be about a longer vision. i think america is starving for real leadership. look, we lost an election as republicans. and now we've got president biden in the white house, and certainly i think there's a lot of folks that were reluctant voters for president biden. they were with us on seven out of ten issues, eight out of ten issues, nine out of ten issues, but look, we've got to put good

leadership in place. leadership matters. watch the way afghanistan is playing out, and the inability to accept blame when you didn't do something right and to make things better. >> lieutenant governor, there are a lot of republicans who will speak privately the way you have been talking publicly for the last couple of months and now put out in your book. you don't mention donald trump but it's implied you want to get away from the division and chaos, and get done to policy and tone as you put it. what have been the risk and perils to you stepping out publicly, and cross the entire ethos now of the republican party. >> if in the book, i have three boys, and one of my sons reminded me during the midst of all the chaos of a saying that we came together at one of his church small groups was doing the right thing will never be the wrong thing, and that's the mantra of our family, doing the right thing will never be the wrong thing. the right thing is ignoring the

outside 5% in my opinion, that continue to fan the flames on misinformation and continue to try to put throughout and be a leader. there's going to be a silenced majority that's going to follow the gop 2.0 mindset going forward. i can't predict the timing but i can sense the momentum around the country. this is a catalyst moment. this isn't about selling books. it's about creating a movement so we can legitimately put a conservative back in the white house in 2024. >> you understand the realities of the party right now. you're not running in reelection to become lieutenant governor or keep your seat. what is next for you off this book, off the way you have spoken out and crossed donald trump, and crossed so many republicans nationally and in the state of georgia, what do you do next? >> i'm going to continue to focus on paving a better pathway forward for the gop. we're going to build this brand of gop 2.0 and continue to build a safe place for conservatives to call home all around the country. look, i hope to serve an elected

office again. certainly it's been a highlight of my career and our family has enjoyed the moment, but right now, my focus is going to be on my talents and skills, try to heal and rebuild this party. if an opportunity presents itself in the future, that would be great. right now there's now there is work to be done. >> lieutenant, you and i probably disagree on seven out or eight out of ten issues. >> we can debate the issues without extremism on both sides when you talk about georgia. i think those of us can consider ourselves in the left need to be careful and learn to not exacerbate people to voi lens violence and people on the right. this new tone should not be new of civility is something that real leadership both

conservatives and liberals have a responsibility to go forward. from what i am gathering that's where your book is trying to prevent itself at least the conservative viewpoint. >> the book tries to capture that. as conservatives, we as republicans have to stop being angry and start being conservatives again. that's going to be inviting. if gop 2.0 does its job, it helps both party. it allows us to get back putting policies over politics and solving real people's problem. the overall majority of the people listening today don't care about republicans and democrats being in charge. they care about making sure they have a job and their kids being educated and their country is secure. those are real issues that folks want us to solve and hopefully folks their take away is there

is a plan and let's move forward. >> you are talking about the future of the republican party, donald trump endorsed herschel walker in the nate race to run against warnock. is walker a legend in the state of georgia. is he a good senate candidate. >> well, i went to georgia tech, we are rivals of georgia. i respect herschel walker's football career is amazing. i don't know anything about herschel walker's politics. >> he accepted donald trump's endorsement. >> i will encourage him and others around the state. just ask kelly loeffler and david purdue. donald trump was so focused on him. it is an interesting time here in georgia. i have learned a lot over the last eight or ten or 12 months.

we certainly have some tough roads in front of us. >> all right, the new book is "gop 2.0," how the 2020 election can lead to better way forward. lieutenant governor jeff duncan, thank you so much for being on. congratulations on the book. good luck. republican governor greg abbott defends his state's new abortion law. >> it is unconstitutional until the supreme court decides actually uphold it. >> the defense is ridiculous. as democrats on capitol hill urged the justice department to get involved. "morning joes" is coming right back. is coming right back

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welcome back to "morning joe." residents in the northeast are still recovering from the devastation of ida. president biden toured neighborhoods of new york and new jersey offering words of comfort. gabe gutierrez has more. >> reporter: with the devastating after math all across the northeast, president biden toured hard hit communities and comforting families and highlighting the urgency of climate change. >> climate change poses a threat to our lives and our economy. the threat is here. it is not going to get any better. the question is can it get worse? we can stop it from getting worse. the president approving major disaster declarations for county

new jersey and new york. videos showing officers trying to rescue a family in the basement. >> reporter: flood survivors struggle with the new normal. >> it is a shame. i can deal with it, not after 38 years, i am getting too old. >> reporter: julianne colorado is still in shock days after the storm. we didn't know where to go and all of mayfield is on fire around us. there is nowhere to go. >> let's see, one came up in the basement. >> reporter: her mother shows us how the water flooded the garage. >> each one gets worse and worse. >> reporter: this area also flooded during 1999 and irene in 2011. >> reporter: how sick are you

this happening over and over again? the water reached past phillip's basement and triggered gas leaks near by and homes and businesses exploded. are you worried of the future of consequences of climate change? >> yes. >> reporter: he owned this property that used to be a banquet hall. >> thank you gabe gutierrez for that report. president biden's visit came days after visiting new orleans where he surveyed the storm damage there and comforted families affected by hurricane ida. biden has been witnessed to several natural disasters so far in his first term. the washington post writes biden has travel to storm ravaged

communities. the president's handling of such disasters led him to push a message. government can work for its people and that bipartisanship at least in moments of crisis still exists. the white house is asking congress for a big investment in future disaster relief. the biden administration is requesting additional $30 billion funding from congress, 24 billion to help recovery efforts and the remaining $6 billion to help with the resettling of afghans in the united states. joining us now is anna palmer, she's an msnbc contributor.

so much money flying around here. how quickly can they move on from and how much he'll will they get from republicans? >> this is going to put president biden's bipartisanship theory to the case. government funding needs to be extended. and these extra pieces that you just mentioned here, republicans are in a tight position, they have been saying they are not going to help democrats raise the debt ceiling. these republicans are they going to vote against storm relief and assistance that their constituents desperately need because they just want to oppose this president? that's the real conundrum that we'll see play out the next couple of weeks. >> boy, the disaster keeps coming and this year especially seems to keep picking up. willie, a friend i was with and we were talking, god, five or

six years ago. he's a very conservative guy. we are just sitting there talking. i run the table for the insurance company. and i said oh, let's hear - i write checks and we write checks for natural disaster. i am a conservative. never run for democrats and again i am telling you, all you have to do is look at what our insurance company have been paying out throw the years. if you don't believe in climate change or not wrecking our globe, let me open up our books, it is real and devastating. it is accelerating. we have got to do something about it. here we are, it was five or ten years ago. here we are. it just keeps getting worse. >> that's the argument that i think is most assailant to

people who say oh, okay it is maybe it is happening but i don't think it is happening as fast. al gore says florida is going to be under water and that didn't happen. you hear all that skepticism but when you look at the financial losses and forget the humans and financial toll for a second, look at how much this is causing us and you and your insurance premiums. it is out of control and undeniable from scientists that it is happening and it is getting worse. >> it is accelerating. the question is jonathan, what is joe biden going to do different than past presidents. do they have a specific plan other than throwing money? we hear $3.5 trillion, it i think it may help us to better understand. what is he going to do on climate change with all the money they want to spend on it, that's first and second, i can't

repeat this enough. this is a china's problem and india's problem. china is a bad world actor right now. so many things we can talk about. if we don't sit down with china and get a deal with china on climate change, nothing we do is going to matter. we have to keep going in the right direction. but, what do we do? how do we get it done? >> the president's travel itinerary is a problem. he's headed to california next week and the wildfires damage and he's taking these moments and using them to push for his own agenda to build back the

3.35 reconciliation bill. >> for the overall package? >> something closer to $1 trillion. >> some it of free community college. other things are concerned about climate change measures including west virginia. and as part of the international piece of this, you are right. the administration knows it well. the president yesterday spoke about how he convene of world leaders earlier this year, xi jinping didn't make much of an appearance. all the world leaders are supposed to be there. they're hoping to hammer out some agreements on carbon emissions, but it is unclear if china and russia will play ball. >> they can go where ever they go, the president of luxingburg.

the problem starts with china. we got to figure out a way to get them on the table. i am wondering if you are hearing what i have been hearing from republicans of climate change being a serious of problem. i have been hearing from some republican leaders over the past year more of a willingness to accept that climate change israel. something has to be done with it. they sort of maybe their fall back now is well, something needs to be done. we don't know what needs to be done. >> yeah, i think you have seen a real shift not only from republicans but industry. you start to see oil and gas companies changing on this. it is a realization is the world is getting warmer. they have to change up the time. this is a real sensitive political issues. republicans are going to try to do everything they can to try to find a way to thread the needle. they don't want go as far as

democrats. you have not seen any real bipartisanship in terms of little areas where you may see working together on this issue. >> speaking of political division playing out right now. we'll talk about the texas' abortion law and how democrats are pushing the biden administration to fight back. michael schmidt joins us for his new reporting next on "morning joe." rting next on "morning joe. this is a hero, walking his youngest down the aisle, which to his bladder, feels like a mile. yet he stands strong, dry, keeping the leaks only to his eyes. depend. the only thing stronger than us, is you.

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merrick garland to sue the state of texas for their abortion rule. we urge you to take legal action up to and including criminal prosecution of would-be vigilantes. joining us now is michael schmidt. what can merrick garland do about it? >> as we point out in our story, legal experts were saying in the past few days that there are not a lot of great options. there are not a lot of clear options. there are not a lot of things that this president and this justice department can do to

really push back on this texas law. there have been a lot of different theories that have been put out there. there was an opt-ed in "the washington post" over the weekend proposed and using a similar one that nadler did and in the letter he sent to garland how the federal government can use his power to prosecute those to pry another american of their constitutional rights. when you talk to legal experts, they say look, all of these things face a lot of complications and a lot of that based on the fact of how the texas law is structured. the fact it strips the power of enforcement from the states and it gives it out to the average citizens. the fact that a lot of these cases would be brought in civil cases, the government would have to intervene. it is a complicated thing that

the justice department has not been forced to confront in recent times. because of that, they sort of stuck. the president's basis very upset about this texas decision. there is a lot of angst about it but not a lot of solutions. >> if a constitutional right is taken away from one of the biggest states of america, that's been written in the books and written in constitution for half a century. if it is a procedural problem, i am curious why don't abortion rights activists go ahead and get that plaintiff out there. had they done it yet where somebody challenges the case and sue somebody in texas or everybody is frozen in place right now? >> that's what it was at the

heart of the original decision by the supreme court. it was a case that had been brought to try and stop this law, to try to stop it from going into effect. that's what it is caught up in the court system. the court ultimately did not intervene in that case. the court is saying there is not a plaintiff. if there is not a plaintiff, i would have thought by now there would be a plaintiff. a doctor would have sue somebody or somebody would gone ahead. >> easy fix. >> it seems to me if the supreme court is saying we can take away this constitutional right because there is not a plaintiff. why don't pro-choice advocates and actually people who support the constitution of the united states, why don't they find that plaintiff? >> my sense talking to folks in

the past few days that case have not come to fruition yet. the laws have been in effect on september 1st, you need some time for it to play out. the impact of the law is an incredible deterrence effect. anyone that's associated with abortion and helping someone receiving an abortion can face the severe fines. what one person i was talking to last night says that because one of the aims of the law was to turn stuff at it. what do you do to take on that deterrence and how do you find that victim and we are only so many days into that law. my guess is in the coming weeks we'll see new developments come

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the abortion law denying victims of rape and incests to give birth. >> it does not require that at all because obviously it provides at least six weeks for a person to be able to get an abortion. for one, it does in and out provide that. that said, however, this makes something very clear. rape is a crime. in texas we'll work tirelessly to make sure we eliminate all rapists from the street of texas by aggressively going out and

arresting them and prosecuting them and getting them off the streets. goal number one in the state of texas is to eliminate rape so no woman or person will be a victim of rape. >> well, governor. >> oh my god. >> i don't know where to start. why don't we start by showing how texas fairs when it comes to rape. more reported in texas than any other states in america. if that's the number reported, it's chilling to figure out what that real number is. and so here the top state in the most reported rapes as the governor says oh, we are going to stop all rapes. >> really? >> six weeks? >> does a woman even know she's

pregnant at six weeks? many don't. >> we are in state here whether you are pro-choice or pro-life, this is taken away from a procedural movement. can ban one constitutional right after another based on this supreme court's precedent. what are democrats expecting from the white house? >> i think democrats in washington feel like they are in a tough position in terms of what they actually can do. they don't expect anything legislative to happen.

merrick garland is trying to act as aggressive as possible. most are looking at this as a midterm election. face it, republicans control a lot of state legislatures and the governorship where these conservative states are going to be pressing issues similar to voting rights in a lot of these states. these are two issues that are fundamentals to democrats but as long as the filibuster is around, they are not going to do anything. >> there are a lot of people against abortion for life who think these laws are outrageous. they don't want this to be the fight. >> vigilantes and people pro-life and who are lawyers i have talked to the past several days, this is the worst they can imagine. what happens when new york's faith decides to ban handguns

and do it in a way that's not enforced by an attorney general. imagine, imagine what the right would do in that case. that's why you are hearing a more muted response from the right on this because they know whether you are conservative or liberal, this is unconstitutional and for the life of me i can't figure out why those fight justices not only put the court but the country in this place. again, let's slow this down for a second and let's think about this for a second. in one of the largest states in america, a constitutional right, 70% of americans don't want overturned. only 28% or 30% want this overturned. that constitutional rights have been taken away in the state of texas based on procedures.

that's bizarre. it's dangerous and the president just got off, i would love to know what the five justices thought. we'll take away your constitutional rights based on procedures. >> three of them appointed by donald trump. joe biden the president of the united states and don't like this law. this is a fight on abortion. they can point citizen bounty. >> it's a political issue. their hands are some what tied. they'll offer protection for the women there and deducting clinics in texas. but this is going to be something that democrats hope becomes animating issues for next fall. anna is right to draw the parallel to voting rights. say the same thing, they know

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anniversary of 9/11, the master mind behind the attack is back in court. the pretrial for khalid sheikh mohammed. he appears before a judge for the first time in more than a year answering yes when asked whether he understood his rights. joining us from guantánamo bay, nbc news correspondent, ken dilanian, what can we expect today? >> reporter: good morning, after yesterday's session was cut short over a procedural matter, they are resuming of a mundane task, a procedure in these

military courts where the defend attorney gets to ask the new judge of his qualifications trying to determine if he has any bias. to me it underscores why this thing is taking so long. i am starting to call it our forever trial, we are in our ninth year's hearing and there is no prescheduled date. we can go on another ten years with the pretrial. it was really dramatic yesterday to see these defendants and the confessed master mind of 9/11 walking into the courtroom with a turbin and his gray beard tinted orange and yuck it up with his code defendant. ksm even waved to one of my reporters.

some 9/11 families are next to us in the own section and the sound of the proceeding is piped in on a 40 seconds delay. it underscores the secrecy around this trial. you may ask yourself what classified information would al-qaida detainees have. well, it's what the cia did them before they came here to guantánamo, that's one of the big issues in this trial and why it's taking so long. >> years ago and my god you are right, this is the forever trial. years ago a source telling me that ksm's only goal was staying alive. he didn't want to be executed and he was trying to make deals and give information and trying to do anything to stay alive. there is stories of him taking to a white board and giving information to people and the program. the agency program and wanting to play ball to stay alive. where are we now?

is this still what the center piece of this trial going to be whether he gets the death penalty or whether he stays in prison the rest of his life? >> that's right, this is a death penalty trial. it's important to remember that. that's another reason that's taken so long. in our country when we try to impose the death penalty, we add an extra layer of legal review. each of these defendants have what they are called learning defense council. they have a team of lawyers. you are absolutely right. ksm confessed in 2007 to the fbi to all manner of terrorist attack. he was responsible for 9/11 and confessed of a murder of journalist daniel pearl. he confessed to planning the shoe bombing and attempted the attack on the airliner and the problem is some of those are under questioned by defense

lawyers. he was struck and his head was slammed against the wall. what the defense lawyer were saying, all of the defense condition telling the government what they want to hear. their confession would be thrown out. in terms of the question of the death penalty. there had been people here, one person in charge of the commission was trying to cut a deal where the death penalty would be taken off the table in exchange for guilty plea. that does not appear on the table now. it's not clear it would fly and the prosecution would go for that. >> nbc's ken dilanian, thank you very much for covering that for us. >> tonight the premier of the documentary of memory box echoes of 9/11.

and now those eyewitnesss return to the box 20 years later to share their memories. here is one woman in the film who lost her best friend in tower two. >> with all the debris falling, one of the guys in my desk grabs me and says let's go, get out of here. it dawned on me that my friend, lindsey, one of my best friends in school was on the second tower on the 89th floor. she's got to be okay. obviously she got to be okay because no way anything bad can happen to anybody i know. stupidly, i left my cell phone on my desk and so i didn't know how to get in touch with her.

>> oh my god! i guess maybe now getting off my chest and willing to talk about things and face what happened and so come to terms with lindsey's death. i can't get over the fact that she's gone because it's too much to think about. what happened that day is too much for me to think about. so, yeah -- i guess that's it. >> my name is lisa rid, it's tuesday, april 27th, 2021. it's surreal to be back here. it's surreal to be back here and the specifically the experience of recording that video in this

booth. >> that's lisa today. one of the film's directors is joining us now. this is such a powerful project. i want to talk to you of what some of the witnesses said today. what was the idea of this plywood box of what people are invited to see what they saw on 9/11. >> i think she had seen the way that very quickly after the attack, the world have moved into a place where people -- documentaries being made. they kind of having the whole story excluded from the media narrative. she just felt -- people need to

place a safe space to effectively be able to tell their story in their own time. she created this box. she gave people the power. that was a powerful thing. look, you can go in the box and close the door. you can switch on and off when ever you like. she gave people a huge amount of control over their stories. people flaunt. there were 575 people that walked into that box. >> 575 people so david what was the process now as you start to revisit some of their stories and get some perspectives two decades later that followed war and lives completely changed. how did you track them down or openness to talking about this again? >> we had to do a lot of watching first, a lot of archives. that just inform what sort of films we thought we can make.

i think the first thing that became very clear was that people step into that box very much to tell a story. of course they got a good story to tell because they were there and they experienced it. we listened and took the time to think about what they were saying. people walk into that box and sat down and wanted to do more than just simply say what had happened to them that day. they want to express a feeling. an emotion. they felt in a way that was going to get excluded from the stories that were out there. everybody - a lot of people gave you that sense of something else going on. something deeper, a guilt that they survived. a grief that is brought.

sometimes it was just simply i still can't get to grip of the trauma of what they have gone through. we realize that the way to get through all of these extraordinary archives and testimonies was to look for stories where people were struggling to express and finding ways to express the emotional experience of that day. >> david, i was going to ask you what stories stood out to you but when i look at the participants here, they all do whether it's an emt who volunteered at ground zero sor someone who worked at the pentagon who was save by a colleague or a father who lost his wife but the children survived in the daycare center. can you talk about the wide range of participants? >> you said it. it was so difficult to have a favorite. we try not to have a favorites.

i do have a favorite. they were all special people. in a way they cast themselves. once you start to hear their stories and listen to them, they became a self-selected bunch. you just thought what an amazing person you are and what happened to you and a horrendous opportunity to find the people from this time capsule and get in touch with them and see what happens. we got in touch to 130 people and we whittle it down to 25 to 30. >> why don't we show another clip? this is elizabeth whose daughter was just an infant when it happened. let's take a look.

>> at this point i looked at my mom and family, this is crazy. let's get out of here. i thought we should walk away from the twins center because what if it fell? i said that and everybody started to calm me down. oh, don't get upset, you are pregnant and you are close to your due date. no, it's not going to fall. >> it's going to fall. they're going to fall. my dad -- he said, i am going to put her on the floor, give me a second. >> oh, what's that. >> here we are. 20 years later. >> yeah. >> 20 years later.

>> you know, david, the ripple effect of memories so vivid in these clips we are showing from 535 people who initially walked into the memory box to, what did you just say perhaps 30 or 32 people making the final cut. it raises the question in my mind about this ripple effect, the numbers of people who especially in the metropolitan in new york and washington area and pennsylvania who remember the day everyday from a cloud formation to a song on the radio or the visual memory of a child who was a young adult is incredible really when you think about it. >> absolutely. >> i think that was something we hear in britain because we were making the film in london. felt very acutely that we had to be very conscious of people's

feelings were so raw. the effects are enormous. she was just a bystander. yet within three years, elizabeth and her family had left new york and were dealing with the after effects because her father suffered from cancer related to the 9/11 toxins that's released. everybody has a story. it's interesting you chosen her because we love elizabeth. she's got such spirit and in a way she sort of gives us a sense of why she wants to make this film which is not to dwell in the awfulness of that day but to realize that you could get past the events of that day and you could find the roots through trauma and the grief you were

experiencing and had to deal with. it would take time. elizabeth was the example and her daughter, reagan says so in the film. she talks about her family and as she felt with her grandfather dying. family was a thing that kept them together and allowed them to experience to get through the grief of the trauma of it all. that was a key part for us was the people should come to this film and realize that there are ways to get through the grief and the trauma. there is hope, there is joy. it shows how resilient we are as human beings. give them the last 18 months we have been all enduring in my country and yours. we all need that. we need to know human condition is resilient. this film, i mean it speaks to that. i was saying to a friend of mine the other day, they are asking

me about it. you know -- what they like these people that came back in the box. i said they're the sort of people if you are feeling really down and you are sitting at the park bench with your head in your hands, i don't know what's going on with life or what's going to happen next, i want them to sit next to me. i will listen to what they have to say. they'll been through this experience and they have been in hell. it's a privilege, absolutely privilege to make this film with them. >> "memory box: echoes of 9/11." tonight at 10:00 p.m. on msnbc, you can stream it on peacock exclusively. film maker, david belton, thank you very much. we'll be right back. >> thank you. be right back. >> thank you

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to do with their body. i'm telling you what happened to me and what's happened to my friends, and i care about -- my concern is 12 players and our fans. i don't want to hear anybody die because they didn't do it. i'm just saying it doesn't say you'll never get it, but the chances of something severe happening are really, really low, and i want us to have a full arena this year. but we're going to have to go with what the health officials say. so let's hope we beat this down, and i got through to one person, i saved a life, that said, you know what, it's free, i don't like shots -- i don't like shots

either, believe me. my wife couldn't believe i went. when i see a needle, i about faint. so you'll never see a tattoo on this body. what? a tattoo? no, because i'm not taking a needle. you take the shot, you've got a chance. i'm not saying -- telling anybody what they have to do. i'm telling you what happened to me. >> trying to encourage everybody to get the vaccine. you know, you don't get the vaccine for yourself. you get it for the people around you. i hear a lot of i and me, like i don't want to do this, i'm only concerned about me. that's not the way the world works. i got the vaccine so i can go around other people, and it's really unfortunate that we have to beg people to get the vaccine. i mean, who don't want to live? >> about as good as it gets. nba hall-of-famer, charles

barkley, and kentucky basketball coach with their recent messages for people to vaccinate against covid-19. best-selling author and columnist has written about athletes and the vaccine, and he joins us now. his new book is "robert b. parker's stone's throw". we'll get to that in just a moment. let's talk about athletes, lupika. how are we doing in terms of getting -- especially on major college teams, all of the athletes vaccinated? >> mika, i call the place in sports where guys don't get vaccinated stupidville. is it getting better? yeah. but mike barnicle knows, he can see how covid has ravaged the boston red sox and probably, maybe, will keep them out of the playoffs. bill belichick can say whatever

he wants to, but it's clear that cam newton, one of the reasons he lost his job was because he refused to get vaccinated. if they're not getting vaccinated and can't go to the mlb network studios. we've talked about this before. people choosing not to get vaccinated is the dumbest american moment i can ever remember. i've written this and i've said this. what if last summer someone told you, wait, there's a shot you can get that will help the world return to normal, you can go back outside and see your parents, your kids, you would have run to get that shot. and somehow people are resistant to that and i simply don't understand it. >> people who are such fierce competitors. and let's just talk about football. cam newton didn't have the shot, he got covid. you look at the boston red sox. there are a couple people that

are anti-vaxxers on the red sox. they're ravaged right now. they should be in the middle of a pennant race doing much better than they're doing, but they're not. i just wonder, how can a competitive athlete, or more importantly, how can a competitive coach put up with it? >> kirk cousins doesn't want to get vaccinated. he wanted to be a bubble boy in quarterback meetings. i'm thinking, okay, now the season starts and you're on the other team, you're supposed to go in and sack him and you're thinking, i don't know, do i really want to get that close to him? there's no guarantees, but when you hear an athlete say this is a privacy issue, i don't want to say whether i got vaccinated or not. guess what, spoiler alert, they're not vaccinated. >> we're going to skip over the yankees four-game losing streak and go to the good news about

the franchise. derek jeter in ducted after waiting a year because of covid into cooperstown today. you just wrote a column about him. you say he may not be the best ball player, but may be the most important yankee. >> i believe that derek jeter matters as much as any yankee has mattered all the way back to babe ruth because he came along at the moment when the -- you know this, when the yankees started to matter again. when the yankees turned back into the yankees. my favorite stat and i used it in the column yesterday, is he leads the yankees in singles in his career, and it's like he got to cooperstown one knock at a time, and then there were the moments. and i wrote about another one this week, his greatest moment to me was making a wounded city cheer the way it did in the 2001

world series. i heard a lot from the old stadium. i never heard it sound like that. >> so, mike lupica, you picked up the pen and you're the designated hitter now for robert b. parker. tell me about the latest epic. >> as you know, he was your friend, he was my friend. i think he would be so pleased at what i've been able to do. it's an honor and a blast. jessie stone is back. he lives in a mythical town on the north shore called paradise, massachusetts, and i've got two lousy developers who have found out that the last piece of real estate overlooking the water, they can buy and develop into, wait for it, a casino. and it touches off a land war and jessie, of course, is in the middle of it, trying to stick up for his town. there's some kids who form an organization called s.o.b., save our beach, who are resistant to the sale. the mayor dies mysteriously in chapter one, and, mike, you know

i bring back in this book one of my favorite characters that bob ever came up with, wilson, a sem i-bad guy. i'll tell you this about the world of bob parker. i know how passionate his readers are because i'm one of them. i started reading them in college, back in the '70s, and so i have embraced that role and i can just tell you, to be asked to do sunny randall and jessie stone has been one of the greatest privileges i've ever gotten as a writer. >> i don't blame you. >> all right, the new book is "robert b. parker's stone's throw". mike lupica, you've done it again. thank you very much for being on this morning. >> thank you, mike. >> any other movies? >> no. >> don't do that to me when we

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