i'm ayman mohyeldin in new york. one day after announcing sweeping new actions to get american workers vaccinated, president biden visited a washington, d.c., elementary school to talk about the importance of the shots and keeping students safe. now he once again called on governors to require vaccinations for all school teachers and they're staff and tried to reassure everyone at the school and watching at home. watch. >> i want folks to know that we're going to be okay. we're going to be okay. we know what it tauz to keep our children safe and our schools open. and we have the tool to do it. >> the district, the first in the naugs to require that all students 12 years and older be vaccinated. and as republicans vow to fight back with the republican national committee saying it intends to sue the president, meantime, a florida businessman who made headlines for helping president trump's personal attorney seek damaging

information on joe biden has pleaded guilty to a campaign finance charge. and for the second day in a row, a passenger plane left afghanistan and has now landed in qatar carrying americans and other foreigners trying to leave the country in the wake of the taliban takeover. this as america prepares to mark the 20th anniversary of one of the darkest days in our nation's history. the attacks on the world trade center and pentagon on september 11, 2001. we begin with the president sweeping plan to try to put an end to the coronavirus pandemic. joining us all to start this hour, nbc news correspondent steve patterson in north hollywood, california, nbc news white house correspondent and ceo of advancing health equity and msnbc medical contributor. great to have all three of you with us. mike, how is the white house responding to all of this pushback, mostly from the right and the threat of lawsuits and other actions aimed at trying to overturn its rules?

>> the white house is really welcoming that pushback. if you remember back to the president's goal, he said of having 70% of americans with at least one dose of the vaccine by july 4th, all the conversations then were more about carrots than sticks. they were doing everything they can to try to incentivize americans to go and get vaccinated. clearly there was a strong but small population that was always going to be resistant. we saw this become such a political issue. as the president's approval numbers had taken a turn in the last month over the handling of covid-19, the white house ternd their attention to a much bigger population, those who are vaccinated and who have been increasingly frustrated about those who are now as the president put it yesterday, holding us back from the recovery we should be seeing from the delta variant in particular. the president was asked about the words from governors, he

said bring it on. >> i am so -- disappointed that that particularly some republican governors have been to cavalier with the health of these kids. so the cavalier with health of their communities. we're playing for real here. this isn't a game. i don't know of any scientist out there in this field that doesn't think it makes us considerable sense to do the six things i've suggested. >> the president trying to channel the frustrations of that overwhelming majority of americans who are vaccinated and want to really get to pint where we don't have to be masked and get back to a life without restrictions we've been living with for far too long. as far as new proposals, we did hear from the president's covid-19 response team this morning.

one of the big headline that ruled is the labor department is issuing and will effect employers of 100 employees. he hopes to see the numbers follow and we continue to see an uptick in the vaccination rate from where it begins and has been stubborn in the low 70% range. >> doctor, what do you make of what the president announced yesterday? and should he have done it a lot sooner? is there a medical argument to have been made to get this done sooner given the surge we're seeing play out over the past couple of weeks? >> thank you so much for having me on. yeah. we saw vaccinations slow earlier in the spring. these vaccine mandates really should have been implemented as quickly as possible. because they weren't and because essentially the country has reopened and mask mandates have been lifted, we're seeing 1500 people die a day, 100,000 people are currently in the hospital with covid-19. so obviously better late than

never. but the vaccine mandates are sort of a piece of the solution to this. in we can cover 100 million people and get them vaccinated, that will put a dent into the surges that we're seeing. >> steve, let's talk about what is happening in california. walk us through what the los angeles school district is doing to ensure that all students over the age of 12 get vaccinated? could we see other school districts follow l.a.'s lead? >> first of all, the infrastructure, so to speak, is already in place here. remember, lausd requires weekly mandatory testing. that is 1,000 medical technicians or so doing about 500,000 tests or so every single week to the tune of about $350 million. so the district is already by and large proven they can do volume. there is a plan to layer vaccinations on top of that. officials want to have a mobile

vaccination clinic at every high school and every middle school within this district. but speaking of parents that held this district, how hard it hit the county and how worried they are about the delta variant. they're mostly onboard. we spoke to a few today. here's what they told me about. this listen. >> as parent, you need to mask your kids. if they're eligible, get a vaccine. get them back in school. let them be kids again. and let's support each other. i think the district is being responsible. we're on the rise again. we need to stop it and we have the tools to do it. people need to make the right choices and do it. let's do it for our kids. >> i want him here. i want him to be safe. >> do you feel like this makes him safer? >> it does make him safer. if everybody has to be

vaccinated, it's like the tetanus shot. it's like the vaccine cards that we had since our kids were in kinder. it's the same kind of thing. >> major districts in new york and chicago have indicated that they're watching this that they may want to wait longer for full fda approval for those vaccinations for 12 to 15-year-olds. the deadline for students that want to set foot on campus again is january 10th. >> dr. blackstock. let's pick up on that sound bite from the lady that steve was talking to about the mandates that we require in our schools for other vaccines. how much of a difference would it make if more school districts were to implement vaccine mandates for students now as opposed to perhaps waiting until we get the full authorization and should they do it once they get the full authorization to mandate it for students 12 and above? >> i think l.a. county is the model for vaccine mandates in

schools for children. we have enough evidence already that these vaccines are safe and he effective. there is no reason why this shouldn't be a mandate and essentially every school that has 12-year-olds and older. we know that vaccinating students, staff, and teachers are going to make schools safer. and with more schools opening next week, we should be concerned about more surges. so i think more school systems need to get onboard with vaccine mandates as soon as possible for students. >> and obviously the question is about other students and going younger than 12 years old. "the new york times" is reporting this afternoon, dr. blackstock, a founder of the person that produced pfizer vaccine said the company will ask regulators to approve the use in children 5 years and over. would that be a game changer? how much of a game changer could this be in efforts to get past the pandemic? >> absolutely. this can't happen soon enough.

this needs to happen very quickly. the fda really needs to review the data and expedite it. especially with schools at full capacity. this is not like last year where half the school was at home or hybrid. we essentially have everyone back full time in school. and so if that comes through for 5-11, it's going to be a game changer. >> all right. dr. blackstock, mike, steve, thank you all for starting us off this hour. coming up, another flight full of people left afghanistan today. the second since the united states completed the troop withdraw. we're live on the ground in doha. that's the plane's destination. plus, we're going to talk with a reporter who was imbedded with elite afghan forces during the fall of kandahar. he's going to tell us what he saw up next. you're watching "ayman mohyeldin reports." next. you're watching "ayman mohyeldin reports. this is how you become the best! ♪“you're the best” by joe esposito♪ ♪ [triumphantly yells]

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all right. the white house says that flights of afghan refugees to the united states have been temporarily halted because of four diagnosed cases of measles. it is not clear when flights will resume. now in just hours after a charter plane full of americans and europeans left afghanistan. only the second such flight since the united states withdrew almost two weeks ago. but for the afghans who remain a new crisis is emerging. that of hunger. due to war and drought. nine in ten afghans are at risk.

this according to the u.n.'s world food program. this as the country faces a cash shortage with prices for every day goods skyrocketing and banks putting limits on money withdrawals. joining me from qatar, richard engel and raf sanchez. richard, the kabul airport, is it fully back up and running now? is it at capacity? what does this mean to get the remaining americans and other foreign nationals out? >> it is absolutely not up and running. it is better than it was before. but back when there was a government in afghanistan, that wasn't run by the taliban. there was a u.s. and internationally backed government, kabul airport operated with international flights. not to many destinations. you could get to several locations in middle east. you could fly to europe as well. then taliban collapsed.

the airport became the site of the evacuation. site of a suicide attack. and now it is just starting to get up and running. there are domestic flights that are operating to see if the taliban can in fact deal with security, can in fact as a private security company that is doing the hotel, doing the airport security. now they're starting to see fint national flights can operate. and qatar and turkey are trying to take the lead on that. the so the flights that are operating right now, each one is a one off. each one takes negotiations. and they are trying -- lots of countries are trying to get their citizens out. these are mostly afghan that's have other nationalities whether they're african-americans, afghan french, we saw them come off today.

they were heading to germany, canada, the united states, and i spoke with some of the americans who were on that flight. some goent to the airport during the mass evacuation because of the crowds, because of the taliban were keeping people back. so they missed the last of those flights. the they had to wait for these -- which are still each one being negotiated but so far the taliban are letting them go and for them it's been seen as a sign of good faith if you will. raf, beyond the walls of the airport there, what is life like for the people in afghanistan, those that have been left behind? what is the situation for them? we talked about the economic hardships. we're starting to see the images of journalists being beaten at protests. we're seeing the brave twham are going and demonstrating. what else are you tracking inside afghanistan?

>> yeah. we've been very focused on the people getting out of afghanistan. as you said, the 40 million afghan that's remain behind are facing a dire humanitarian crisis. that crisis is a direct knock on from the political and security chaos of the last couple weeks. the u.s. military withdrawal, the collapse of the afghan government, the taliban taking over. we're seeing very, very long lines at banks. but even when they're able to, they can't always afford to buy food. the world food program says 93% of afghan dozen not have enough food right now. and we're hearing that parents are doing what they do around the world when this happens. they are skipping meals to try to make sure that their children are fed. now the taliban also effectively outlawing protests saying they will not tolerate the kinds of scenes that we saw in kabul over the last couple of days, men and women taking to the streets

together demanding that their rights be respected. we have seen the awful images of the afghan journalists who went to the streets to tell the story of their people under this new taliban regime. and we're very badly beaten because of it. secretary blinken when on his diplomatic trip to doha and germany over the weekend, he was focused on the evacuations and also trying to see how we can continue to get humanitarian aid into afghanistan despite this new taliban government. there are ad hoc flights flying in from the uae, from doha. but that is nowhere near enough to feed a country of that size. >> all right. our thanks to raf sanchez and richard engel. 700,000 afghans are expected to flee across the border into pakistan. the influx expected to cause billions of dollars. that's according to the express

tribune. "the new york times" reports already regional and ethnic leaders are telling the government to turn them away. our nbc news correspondent molly hunter is at the heart of the story along the border in pakistan. molly? >> hey, look, we've been talking a lot about the tens of thousands of vulnerable afghans. interpreters, afghans that might have worked for one of the embassies for big ngos, worked for the u.s. military and coalition forces. but really obviously targets and media targets. we have been talking about afghan journalists severely beaten in kabul by the taliban. there is a big category of people, artists, musicians, writers, academics, people who are very scared about a taliban rule. now here in turkey, we were able to meet a group of 40, a whole family of musicians who were lucky. they crossed into pakistan 22 days ago at the border crossing. take a listen to their story.

>> we're a musician family. i'm single. he is also single. so when taliban is coming to afghanistan, then we leave afghanistan. >> no music. >> no music. and they're coming. they broke our instruments. >> they broke them? >> the first night, yes. >> they will kill us. >> we know that. they will kill us. >> then we decided in one hour, all family out of the country. >> in an hour? >> just an hour. cars, homes, and our food, everything in our house, we just left. ♪ >> it was so moving to hear them sing, to hear them speak. look, they're hopeful they'll be able to play music again.

they came over though without visas and without any documentation, they came over 22 days ago through the border crossing. they walked right in. it is before pakistan started to crack down. one thing the younger boy said, it seems like rest of the world, the international community just forgot to ask how we were doing, how musicians were going to survive. >> thank you for that in pakistan. appreciate it. before the taliban took over, there was a brutal battle for another key afghan city, kandahar. a vice news reporting team was embedded with afghan force aces twhent down. here's what they saw. >> commander leads nearly 200 of the most elite american trained soldiers in the country, the commandos. now he's facing his toughest fight yet. we followed him and his soldiers on the front lines.

>> we're on the roof of a wedding hall. this is the front position. there are snipers. we have to stay low. >> joining me now is ben solomon, an international correspondent at vice news. good to see you back safely. talk to us about that sound bite that we heard there. the significance of kandahar's fall given everything that played out. why was that such a pivotal turning point? >> this is the second biggest city in afghanistan. it is the birthplace of the taliban and they formed in the mid 90s. so when before the taliban had a number of kabul, the real thought is if they pushed into kandahar, this he would control so much of the south and so much of the access to pakistan and the access to helpman. if they had control of that, they could easily in time stage

a battle against kabul now. of course, we saw what happened which is quickly slipped into kabul. kandahar was just a staging point and a moral boost for the eventual fall of the country. what we saw there, there was definitely a push for so many to really fight and to have this lasting final battle for the south. there was still a push to fight in kabul. they didn't have the organization. they didn't have the leadership from above. so they never really got to see that final battle. they never got to defend the country the way they hoped to. the. >> so let me ask you about that. as you're fully aware, we heard a lot of u.s. officials and others blame afghan forces for the taliban swift takeover. you were there for the final days. you saw how they fought and what they were fighting up against. you touched on what they needed. is there married to that argument the afghan forces just were not up to the task at hand?

>> i think there is the argument the u.s. government is pushing is a butt too simple. the resalt that there is a lot of different levels of the african military. some of the lower levels, some of the police and the army, national army there, there was corruption, widespread corruption. there were ghost units that would take money for soldiers that were not even there. huge problems with the big influx of american cash that was moving around. but there was also great strong well trained forces. forces that spent years and years preparing for the moepts to fight the taliban. and really were ready for the task. there's a difference when you have a specialized unit of 200 guys. they need thousands more to be able to fight with them. they didn't have that. so in reality, there was never really a chance for the specialized well trained, well prepared units to get the fight they wanted. not because they weren't ready. not because they were not willing, because they didn't have the backing, support, and infrastructure that they needed to do it.

>> all right, ben solomon with vice news, incredible reporting. thank you so much to you and everyone on your team. greatly appreciate that insight. still ahead, why an associate of rudy giuliani pleaded guilty in court today. she joins us next to break it down. you're watching "ayman mohyeldin reports." atching "ayman mohyeldn reports. y, ayy ♪ ♪ yeah, we fancy like applebee's on a date night ♪ ♪ got that bourbon street steak with the oreo shake ♪ ♪ get some whipped cream ♪ ♪ on the top too ♪ ♪ two straws, one check, ♪ ♪ girl, i got you ♪ ♪ bougie like natty in the styrofoam ♪ ♪ squeak-squeakin' in the truck bed all the way home ♪ ♪ some alabama-jamma, she my dixieland delight ♪ ♪ ayy, that's how we do, how we do, ♪ ♪ fancy like, oh ♪ that delicious omelet was microwaved? get outta here. everybody's a skeptic. paper money. it's the future! get outta here. i'm leaving with my gold.

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pleaded guilty to campaign finance related violations. you may remember him as one of the two men who had been helping giuliani hunt for dirt on trump's political owe poen and also pursuing his own business opportunities. with me now to break down what happened in court today is former u.s. attorney joyce vance. she is an msnbc legal analyst. great to see you again. let's talk about the significance of this. how significant is this guilty plea and what implications for those directed to him? >> so obviously significant for the defendant in this case who's now pleaded guilty and faces a sentence of up to five years in federal prison. it's hard to know what this means if anything for the on going investigation against rudy giuliani and others. i think this is hay little disappointing for people who had hoped that mr. freeman would cooperate and provide information about other crimes

that he was aware of. that's not the case. this plea agreement does not involve any cooperation with prosecutors. >> is there any implication possibly for the former president since this involves campaign finance violations and certainly his campaign? >> i think that's almost impossible to say from this distance. it's very often and we've seen other cases where people have been involved in campaign mismanagement and campaign contributions and the candidate has not been aware or the candidate has not been prosecuted. so while, of course, it's always possible that that's the case, it's far from well established certainly in this situation. >> i know, joyce, that the judge in this pointed out prosecutors have a plea agreement with fruman but no cooperation agreement. talk to us a little bit about that. what do you draw from that about where this goes next? >> i guess this is my day to say that a lot of things are

difficult to know. it could mean this defendant wanted to cooperate. and that for some reason prosecutors rejected his cooperation. maybe they thought it wasn't valuable. maub they thought he wasn't being truthful with them. we don't really know the answer to that question. it could be, of course, that he doesn't want to cooperate. another co-defendant pleaded guilty without any sort of an agreement with prosecutors last year. and that possibility does raise some questions. because defendants who plead guilty and cooperate can get a great deal of credit towards their sentence. it can really limit their exposure to federal prison. so a logical -- logically motivated individual that decided to plead guilty because of the government's evidence against them was strong, would want to do everything that they could do to help themselves out. it's a little bit of a mystery here why two defendants now haven't taken that path. >> yeah, of course, we're going to have to wait and see how all

of this plays out and what means for all those that we're talking about there. thank you. i greatly appreciate it. and right now on capitol hill, the january 6 select committee sifting through thousands of records turned over by telecom companies. a committee spokesperson says the national archives has undertaken a legal process. security preparations in the works ahead of the january 6 rally. and new allegations against a rioter. scott mcfarland is ready to break it down number shortage of story lines you're following today. first of all, fill us in on the court hearing you've been covering. >> yeah. let me start you off with breaking news. a guilty plea in the higher level january 6th cases. cleveland meredith of colorado brought guns with him and sending a text message in which

he threatened to shoot nancy pelosi in head, facing five years in prison. the most compelling thing was that testimony in the case of landon copeland, an army veteran from utah jailed since may. in testimony today, a court officer said during a may hearing copeland grew frustrated, bailed out of the virtual hearing and drove over to the pretrial service officer's office and banged his head against the glass, threatened, said angry things according to the testimony, so threatening the court officers at that office put on body armor before copeland's arrival. he'll remain jailed pending trial. it's the latest indication that the threats are not just felt here in d.c. but by the 55 fbi field offices dealing with these defendants and in this case a utah pretrial service officer. >> yeah, so to that point, scott, what are your sources telling you about expectations for next saturday's justice for j 6 rally as we get closer to

that date? >> a lot of people are grateful it's on a saturday. usually capitol hill is abandoned on weekends. according to a capitol police union official, it is all hands on deck for the rank and file. vacations have been canceled. similar force for the city police department which helps capitol police. the suburban department expected to play a role as well. i'll note this though. in these january 6 criminal prosecutions, all the defendants let out of jail until trial have stay away orders from d.c. they are banned from the district which could help reduce the numbers -- reduce the number of january 6 defendants that would reappear here saturday. >> it will be interesting to see if any participate virtually or call in or participate in any other capacity. scott, always a pleasure. good to see you. stay safe. texas says they're getting ready to fight the doj's lawsuit against the state over its restrictive abortion ban. what expected in that battle coming up next. you're watching "ayman mohyeldin reports." ching "ayman mohyeldin reports.

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texas is vowing to fight the justice department's lawsuit over the abortion law. greg abbott's office responded saug in part we are confident that the courts will uphold and protect that right to life. joining us now to talk about this and more, victoria defrancesco. she is from the university of texas at austin. victor yashgs great to have you with us. this lawsuit was filed on a federal court in texas. federal courts tend to be more conservative than, say, the northeast or perhaps the west coast. what could that mean for the lawsuit as it moves forward? >> right. so there is really a lack of institutional and judicial options. the door in terms of the supreme court was closed. we're going to have to wait and see when that gets its way up

there. but we also know that here in the fifth circuit is very conservative. especially compared to the ninth circuit in california, for example. in addition to what you just mentioned, a lot of the judges that have been appointed in this area are more conservative. and i think that in addition to these judicial roadblocks, is also understanding that the further out implications that the panorama here in texas is not going to change any time soon. we saw the governor just call a new special session to do redistricting. we know that maps are going to be redrawn and we know that the conservative republican majority is in the driver's seat. so kind of the hopes of saying okay, well, right now we have a hard right turn but with the election in 2022 and beyond, we can reshape texas politics. that does not seem likely given the political makeup. so it's really frustrating for texan democrats here looking at the different options in front

of them in term of policy. >> so i guess the question is there an approach that the justice department can take to try and overcome these potential barriers from the court that's you outlined? >> so i'm going to defer to my legal scholars over down the road. but i think the grassroots piece is one i would like to highlight. this is something where there has been a lot of conversation. because of the way that the law is structured, there is even more frustration there. we know that women who need an abortion are going to have to travel out of state beyond those six weeks. but we know that women who don't have the resources to take time off work, to have someone watch their kids, who have a working car to go are looking to organizations to provide a subsidy for them. but what we're running into now is the fear that organization that's help pitch in to collect funds, to support these wum, to go out of state or even take

them themselves are now afraid that they may be caught under the law of aiding women -- of which is a violation under the texas ban. so it's like everywhere you turn, institutionally and also in the traditional grassroots. >> this law obviously comes against a backdrop of texas beginning to process of redistricting after the 2020 census. since republicans control the liefers of power, how can they use this process to cement the control and potentially further erode people's rights? >> right. so it's the drawing of very faith districts. faith districts for republicans and democrats as well. but where you see the packing of communities of color. the where you see the packing so that you may not have as many representatives of color as would have been liked. we thought we were going get actually three seats here in texas. we only got two. but even though we're getting

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tomorrow, of course, marks 20 years since the fall of the twin towers. jen psaki said the president will release a video statement later today before visiting all three attack sites tomorrow. joining me now live from ground zero is our correspondent. good to see you. so 20 years later, what are you hearing on the ground there about the lasting impact of this tragedy? >> person after person will tell you that they see this as so important. reflecting pool you see hund me, the 9/11 memorial reflecting pool. it's place where everybody is

drawn to. it's just outside of the 9/11 memorial museum. there is another place that stands in hommage. it is called the 9/11 tribute museum. i want to bring in the ceo of that museum. and first of all, thank you for being with us, jennifer adams. >> thank you. >> the other part is what makes the tribute museum different from the memorial museum? >> so the tribute museum, we were founded by the community. the families, the survivors, the first responders, police, fire, residence dents of the neighborhood to share store quiz with visitors that come here from around the world, to hear the authentic voices that are connected to this site. >> and in those voices, they're hearing stories about what someone's father was like, what their husband or their brother or sister? >> well, it brings life to the names. they were mothers, brothers, sisters, fathers, children, there's one mother that comes in and talks about the antics of her son and really makes

everyone smile. and they're inspirational to meet and hear who the people were because it gives a personal connection. >> you have a personal connection. you worked in that building. and you left in december of 2000. >> yes. st. >> a good friend of yours did not. meredith and meredith never made it out of the towers, did she? >> no. she did not. >> tell me about meredith. how old was she? >> she was 26 years old. young, brilliant analyst that worked for management. we had just had a pot luck at her house the weekend before after the u.s. open. >> and because you never got to see her again, is her life part of what inspired you to work so hard? it took a lot of hard work to get the 9/11 tribute museum up and running. it wasn't as easy as people thought. >> it was a labor of love. running a small business and bringing the community in and engaging with people and the public is a lot of labor.

and it needs a lot of resources. so it was definitely an effort. but my love for meredith and all of the people that i come to meet through their family is a tremendous inspiration to what i do every day. >> and it's not just by good wishes. wishes. it takes goodwill and good deeds for the museum to continue to operate. do you worry without it being there -- we say never forget, but how will people remember if this 9/11 tribute museum were not allowed to be funded and to be sustained? how would people remember? >> absolutely. that's the unfortunate cost of time moving forward. our memories fade and those stories will be forgotten. and we record those stories. however, it's not like meeting someone in person. it's not like hearing about their life, what they stood for and who they were as a person. it really gives you a sense of a personal connection. >> reporter: because meredith is not just a name on a stonewall,

is she? >> no. she was a young, beautiful girl at the beginning of her life. and i carry her story with me. >> reporter: and the fact that we have a whole generation now that has no living memory of 9/11, and that's what is going to be going forward. the question again i just wonder we say teach and remember but how do you remember something if you're never taught? >> exactly. and that's the hard part. it is a difficult subject to bring into the classroom because it has a lot of things that are difficult to talk about. when you are able to ask questions and hear their story, kids know things we don't know. you certainly don't want them to google the answer. so being able to come to a place where they can hear the history, the ins and outs and ask questions that they have heard about and they know it was something bad but they don't understand it. they need to be able to ask those questions and have that connection. >> reporter: the tribute museum allows to you do that? >> yes.

>> reporter: jennifer, thanks so much. ayman, back to you. >> thanks to you and to jennifer for that poignant story. i encourage everyone who visits new york to make it to the museum. it's absolutely powerful. a powerful reminder of what happened and the lives lost. thank you. and david corn of mother jones writes this. though americans felt more vulnerable and feared future strikes there was a new commitment to understanding the world better. that was not to be. one of the enduring tragedies of 9/11 we didn't learn more from it. joining me now is the chief correspondent at pbs news hour. it's good to see you. 20 years later what are the lessons learned? how has america and journalism, for that matter, changed since 9/11 and trying to understand the world that we live in? >> ayman, we are a different country than we were 20 years ago. i think we forget it happened

after that horrific day. you and i remember as young journalists covering that young story how much it defined our careers as journalists for the next 20 years covering the wars that resulted in that day overseas. covering the many changes in our security apparatus here in the united states. the entire restructuring of our government and reprioritizing of what was a threat and who was the threat. and then, of course, the legacy of the thousands of lives lost and the families that were impacted week after week. and for whom this day and this time in american history i cannot even imagine the pain that they are feeling. in terms of lessons learned, we're still learning some of those lessons. the impact in the withdrawal from the u.s. military forces. you can see that in the way we're still struggling to meet this new domestic terror threat that's rooted in white supremacy rather than the foreign threat

that was once seen as primary here. and we're also still very much trying to figure out how to get back to that space which, you know, a number of us have been reflecting on recently. those many months immediately after the attack when this country was so united -- so united and so focused on being together, and we have lost that. over the last 20 years, that is gone. and we're different today than we were back then. >> let's talk about the immediate aftermath because all the data hints that islamophobia is only rampant, it's even more rampant 20 years after 9/11 than it was immediately after the attacks when this country was coming together in some capacity. break that down for us. why is that the case we're still seeing this wave of islamophobia in the united states? >> there's been a lot of discussion and breakdown about how this language and the policy met and intersected over the years. despite the overt language from

president bush this was not a fight against a faith, this was not against islam. that is not the way the message was perceived by millions of americans and many around the world because of the policies that followed, because of the surveillance and the scrutiny and the suspicion of muslim americans and brown americans and arab americans and anyone who happened to be mistaken for being muslim, sikh americans bearing the brunt of that because of many americans' unfamiliarity with the faith itself. and the legacy of the many wars overseas carried out in muslim-majority countries were perceived as fights against people of a certain faith. i think the policy and the actual action of the country came sort of deep-seated in political rhetoric back here in america. what we see now was a very deeply embedded political rhetoric where islamophobia is as rampant as it's ever been. the further we move away, the

more deeply rooted that's become and that's a challenge 20 years after that day. >> always a pleasure, thank you so much for your insights as we look back on those 20 years. stay with msnbc all weekend long for special coveraging marking the attacks. tomorrow coverage starts at 5:00 a.m. eastern live from ground zero. brian williams and nicolle wallace pick up coverage at 8:00 a.m. i will see you back here monday. "deadline white house" with nicolle wallace starts after this quick break. fter this quick break the journey is why they ride. when the road is all you need, there is no destination. uh, i-i'm actually just going to get an iced coffee. well, she may have a destination this one time, but usually -- no, i-i usually have a destination. yeah, but most of the time, her destination is freedom. nope, just the coffee shop. announcer: no matter why you ride, progressive has you covered with protection starting at $79 a year. voiceover: 'cause she's a biker... please don't follow me in.

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