of the hour, you're watching msnbc reports with yasmin vossoughian. welcome, everybody. thank you for joining me. if you're just joining us, welcome, great to see you. if you stuck around from the last hour, thank you for watching. it's the speech that's launched a thousand hot takes today. >> there's little cultural overlap between violent extremists abroad and at home, it's their discipline for pleuralism, in their disregard for human life, in their determination to defile national symbols. they are children of the same foul spirit, and it is our continues duty to confront them. >> george w. bush's not so veiled attack, but less than a

week before a rally in support of a january 6th rioters, the exact type of extremist bush is talking about, is it already too late to save the soul of the republican party? we'll have that conversation, coming right up. plus a democratic showdown over the reconciliation bill plays out on the morning shows. >>. >> okay. >> it's absolutely not acceptable to me. i don't think it's acceptable to the president, to the american people, where the overwhelming majority of the people and the democratic caucus. >> i'm going to speak to representative judy chu. and we're going to get the latest from the campaign trail, and i'll speak with gray davis. later this hour, a very special guest, a tennessee teen who had to endure this ugliness. >> this time last year my grandmother, who was a former

teacher at the rutherford county school system died of covid because someone wasn't wearing a mask. this is a very -- this is a very -- >> shut up. >> grady knox will join me live. he was shamefully laughed all, and while arguing for masks, by shares his grandmother's death, and his remarkable story and how he got the last laugh at those who targeted him. coming just days before a rally in support of the january 6th rioters, former president george w. bush, made some of his strongest comments yet condemning domestic terrorism yet. he isn't the only republican calling out the extremism. former new jersey governor and presidential candidate, chris christie this week told

republicans, face the realities of trump's loss and discredit the extremists. tim miller, writer at large, and juanita tolliver, both are msnbc political analysts. tim, let me just start with you, and ask you about george w. bush's speech yesterday, and the timing of it. what was your reaction? >> look, i think he has been picking and choosing his spots carefully in the post-presidency. statements like this aren't an accident. obviously i wish that president bush would have been speaking out more loudly between november 3rd and january 6th, even before that for that matter, but throughout his post-presidency, when he does go out and give speeches, you obvious can see in the undertones direct attacks to the way that former president trump did his job. i think the fact he's out there

speaking and trying to draw this line, that it's not an equivalence, but it's on a line with the terrorists who attacked u.s. on september 11th, and those who attacked the capitol on january 6th, and hopefully that breaks through with a percentage of those who supported him twice. maybe not exactly the timing i would have wanted, but better than nothing. i think it's important that people like him are out there saying, where there's at least a chance that some of the target audience might be listening. >> so that's my question, juanita, too you, which is what is the likelihood that the quote/unquote target audience, as tim just put it, will listen, considering the messages broadband delivered from the

likes service president george w. bush, and chris christie. >> i think the target audience are the people who already took the off-ramp. i'm not sure there's anyone less that was avid supporters of bush that could potentially be turned away from trump, if they already haven't. i appreciate him saying what was happening all these other times right after the election. right when trump was riling up his base. where were you then? where were other republicans then? that's why i'm hesitant to say this will have any impact whatsoever with the audience bush was speaking to. i also think that one speech here, one comment here, is too little too late to have a massive impact. this is not something you can

edit/undo. let's be real, trump's lies have been fatal lies. not only on january 6th, but in this pandemic. >> it may be too late, but what what could happen. you think about the rally that a trump operative is planning for saturday that will honor, i guess, in a way the insurrectionists. you think about other things that are planned in the future, and what could featsably come from them. hearing from representative adam kinzinger earlier commenting on bush's remarks. >> this is why it's important we, as republicans, frankly, as americans stand up and say we shouldn't be truly worried for the teeth of government every few months when there's a protest. i have a lot of faith in our law enforcement.

hopefully we'll find out more this week. >> we know, juanita, where he stands, we have known for quite some time. what about other folks? will it take other folks to come out against the likes of former president trump and all that he's inspired, to what may come next weekend to speak out and say, no, enough is enough. it's not just on folks like adam kinzinger, who we know have been against donald trump from the jump. >> i completely agree, yasmin, it will take other folks, but again folks who were likely previously fully on board with trump who have tipped the other way. those fighting hard for trump while he was in office and facing impeachment, and now are willing to turn away. that's not kinzinger and that's not former president bush. in a dream scenario, if somebody

like representative mccarthy or senator mcconnell actually steps their foot down and says it's time to move away from him, he's costing us lives. >> the problem is they put their foot down directly after january 6th, and then changed their tunes months later, as both have subsequently done. tim, i want to get your reaction to some of the new polls we are seeing, when it comes to the base that donald trump has. new cnn poll out. the gop has a better chance of winning in 2024 if in fact trump is the nominee, 51% saying yes,

si 49% saying no. >> i think there's a lot of delusion out there and wishful thinking that trump just couldn't come back, the beast has been slayed, and all of this is just for his ego and we're going to move forward. that's not how republican voters see it. the numbers absolutely swamp everyone else in the republican field. whether i see the chris christie quote, which is all fine and good, as someone carrying trump's water and more for the last five years, he gives a speech in california and kind of tacitly criticizes him, i'm getting ptsd from 2015. we lived through all of this. he's winning the polls. the republicans maybe they'll wish to maggie haberman, and

it's groundhog day. i was part of that, that we made. we have to learn from at least mistakes and take him on directly, or else we're going to be right back where we are in 2016 and 2020, with trump as the rep nominee in 2023. who knows, in a bad economic environment, there's some outside event that happens, he could absolutely win again. that's a very, very real possibility, looking at the numbers. a lot of people are trying to pretend it's not the case, because it's uncomfortable to think about. >> what more needs to be done in your estimation, tim? >> among republicans? they need to get behind somebody. if you're mike pence, or -- they need to go at him.

if chris christie wants to be rid of the conspiracy theorists, he needs to throw a bunch. he's done it to rubio, to random people heckling him. why is he afraid to thrown a punch at trump? if they want to beat donald trump and have him not be the nominee in 2024, the rest of the republican parties needs to actually engage in a campaign to beat him, not just wish he goes around. i think the democrats obviously have less control over this, but i think it is wise when thinking of political strategy as a doesn't right now, to think about it with context of, for every little bit that our party being less popular, that makes it more likely that the man who tried to steal the last election is president again in 2024. so the stakes are maybe a bit higher than they would have been when thinking campaign strategy

ten years ago, 15 years ago. >> juanita, final yes to you. how are you thinking about this whole debate over vaccine mandates that the president just delivered this past week, and how democrats can get an edge on it? >> i think it comes down to the outcomes. biden is doing this, knowing he pass the support of federal precedent, but also the support of many americans, considering 75% have already had the shot. he's saying i did this to get the republican governors ignoring safety protocols and endangers lives. i got them out of the way so i can save the health of this country. he took a big bet here, but a lot is on his side. hopefully it pays off. this is going to be something i think almost important for democrats to herald going into

the midterm as well. if more lives are saved, more shots in arms are delivered, folks are able to finally get back to normal, then the president will be able to quite et these republican govern owes, and can say, whether you liked it, it actually worked. thank you both for joining me. california governor gavin newsom and is the democrats are going full tilt. after a break, we'll hear from the last california governor to be recalled, gray davis, about newsom's chances and his concerns. >> later on this hour, i will joined by the tennessee student mocked while making a plea for masks in school. le making a pler masks in school. fine, we'll sleep here. ♪♪

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welcome back, everybody. an explosion in atlanta rocked an apartment complex in the northern suburb. one person was taken to the hospital. the natural gas company that served most of atlanta has been called to investigate it. only two days left now. roughly 6 on% of californians

intending to vote no, but that has not slowed them down. in the time hours, with me now, seema meta. let's talk through some of this stuff. the governor is looking pretty good right now, but he's still campaigning pretty hard, pulling out all the big guns. now the president will be campaigning for him over the next two days or so out in california. it doesn't seem like he's taking those numbers for granted. received a male ballot, so white -- it's a lot of variables out there.

>> i think he wants to run up the numbers so they claims to have a mandate. >> and just how unusual this selection is. it's also -- i don't think anybody can say anything is certain. the whole scenario has been

upended. a couple cycles always reps voted early and democrats on election day, and with president trump talking about mail-in ballots being rigged, republicans are reluctant to send in their ballots. i think they're expecting a large in-person vote on tuesday, which will decrease some of the margins we have seen already. without any we implores you to join us in this fight demanding a special session to investigate and amile yorrate the twisted result of this recall election. again, the results aren't even in, you already have larry elder calling foul. >> right.

you also have president trump, who was asked about this in an interview, he basically said the same thing. newt gingrich said it more than a couple weeks ago. the groundwork is being laid. i think you know, they are laying the groundwork for this. >> margin wasn't necessarily close, but the former president still called foul on that. thanks as always, good to talk with you. i want to turn to someone who is familiar family with a california recall election. >> to all of you, and to the people of california, for the privilege and the honor of representing 35 million people the last five years, and the opportunity to serve you and in my own way try to make life better. tonight, the people did decide

it is time for someone else to serve, and i accept their judgment. should with me now, former governor gray davis, who lost his recall and was replaced by arnold schwarzenegger. thank you so much for joining us. we do appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> i guess my first question is, what was it like, i guess, to be recalled, and do you at all think that governor newsom could be facing the same fate? >> it's not fun to be recall. i wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy, but i don't expect nothing close to that will happen to governor newsom. i've been saying i think he will win five and eight points above the 50% he needs. >> what do you blame for your

recall? do you blame democratic apathy? do you think that the democratic party has in fact learned their lesson this time around? what do you think attributed to that? >> i don't know where to start. three substantial differences. arnold schwarzenegger is not running. arnold schwarzenegger was a megastar in 2003, worldwide tour, promoting conscious terminator 3." the film opened in july. he announced in august. the elect was october 6th. there are 5 million more democrats today in california than in 2003. that's a big help to governor newsom.

, to get rid of all kinds of vaccination sites. he used used the place -- used the oakland coliseum up north, so all of those are in gavin newsom's favor. plus, though the economy is going through a difficult time, $80 billion in surplus money came into our coffers. that's being used to pay all the back rent and help businesses revive and getting up and running. we were in a recession, so this is a totally different situation. i expect -- and a great credit to the gavin newsom campaign. they had to do two things -- awaken democrats to the fact that there was an election at an usual time, september 14th, and that it was very consequential. >> former president trump talking to newsmax already

claiming that this election is rigged, right, ahead of any results. larry elder, as i just mentioned in my last interview, taking a page out of that book as well. how much do you think, governor, in your state, california, the words of the former president resonates with voters? >> let me just cite the election results in november 2020. you said it wasn't close. trump got more votes in california than any other state, but he still lost 62 to 38. that is a shellacking. trump has no real support in california. this is just a big lie. obviously -- so larry elder is just taking a page out of trump's playbook and it's not going to work in california. >> former california governor gray davis, thank you as always. good to see you. up next, everybody.

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joining us is deputy el toil page editor at "usa today." i want to read one scenario that kind of uses this vigilante vision. you where i about this -- consider new york, where the legislature favors restrictions on the second amendment. could it outlaw firearms by depend advertising any new yorker to file million dollar lawsuits against gun owners in the state? would it allow new york to avoid responsibility for ignoring the right of the people to bear arms, despite clear supreme court precedent? the idea is not far-fetched how likely is it, though, david, that you think something like this could actually happen? >> i don't know how likely it is. i know that "the washington post" has reported that other

states with anti-abortion majorities in their state legislatures senior thinking about following in texas' footsteps. i can't think of another scenario where they were put the supreme court out of the business and -- and liberals wouldn't say, hey, we can play this game, too. >> listen if these conservative states are saying, okay, we're going to try to ban abortion after six weeks, figure out the loopholes, i guess, then why not states like new york, for instance, as you laid out? i guess, my wonder is the potential pushback. you already have the doj suing texas over this law, that will

likely rise to the supreme court, according to joyce vance, who i spoke with yesterday. it seems like a lot more headache in something that's not likely to last. >> it could last long enough. republicans want to stop abortions, because they think each individual life is worth saving. if democrats think each individual life is worth saving and that i why gun control is important, why wouldn't they take the opportunity to take guns off the streets of new york? >> you talk about some red flags ahead, right? in speaking of conservatives that are employs the type of texas law that we're seeing in other states. what are some other major red flags, some issues are worried about?

one way, in abortion rights, but there's, for instance, a right to free speech in the california constitution. >> so kind of, in summing all of this up, i'm trying to understand what it is we're trying to get to, which is -- is this going to come down to the supreme court making a decision

based on the constitutionality of the texas law, in order to say, no, to other conservative states that will try to apply this loophole, this vigilante kind of provision to their laws? >> that's what's going to have to happen. i'm not so sure that the justice departments large will work. i think what has to happen in texas, for the supreme court to rule on the merits, is for there to be actually a lawsuit against somebody who aids or abets an abortion. until that happens -- >> got it. >> abortion are effectively banned in texas. new york could effectively ban guns until there's a lawsuit over an individual owning a gun. >> got it. thank you so much. appreciate it. coming up, everybody -- >> didn't we basically put the

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don't you need to give? >> i have been giving. >> are you going to be the lone vote? >> i don't think i'm going to be the lone vote. you know that, too. >> would you be willing to be the lone vote? >> i can't go home and explain what we're doing now. join by representative chu, democrat from california, senator joe manchin being pretty out front there, pretty forthright about where he's at when it comes to this reconciliation bill. i'm not sure that many democrats in washington were very surprised about manchin's stance on this. would you be willing to negotiate down to $1.5 trillion, the number he's floated out there? >> let me say the needs of the american people are far too great to go that low. we have been devastated by the pandemic people need child care,

they need health care, they need jobs. we need to help businesses open back up. remember where we came from, we actually originally wanted to have a $6 trillion bill. now we're compromised down to $3.5 trillion. we need to make sure that we have working families' needs met. infrastructure is more than building roads and highways. get the child care, the paid family leave and the health care they need to actually go to work. we need to engage in a dilog. you know, i would like to certainly ask joe manchin, which of these things do you think people don't need? which things do you think are not vital? these two bills go together. >> it seems to me, from what we

have heard from joe manchin so far today, and his op-ed a couple weeks ago, he feels as if american people are still taken care of from the rescue plan, there's some layover from that, but i would like to know the answer, what is it that he thinking needs to be taken out of this. here's earlier today. >> of all the experts, what they're talking about now is around a $3.5 trillion program. now, i don't know that you get to that number when you start going through each category. there may be more and may be less in order to do what the president would like to have done. so i think what we have to do is just focus on the programs that

need to get done. >> congresswoman, so what needs to be done here, right? it seems as if, in a way, joe manchin will hold the infrastructure bill, the reconciliation bill in somewhat of a hostage situation going forward i know where you are in the filibuster. it has to be done away with, but who do you need to do that, and even the president so far has come out against -- >> well, i still ask, what would you eliminate? what do you think the people don't need? first of all, obviously we need jobs. we also need to combat climate change, which we can do, and then provide those jobs. in fact, we have a number of

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welcome back, everybody. earlier this week, at a school board meeting in tennessee, high school student grady knox was about a minute into his plea for a district-wide mask mandate when this happened. >> this time last year, my grandmother, who was a former teacher at the rutherford county school system, died of covid because someone wasn't wearing a mask. this is a very -- >> no. >> this is a very -- >> shut up! >> this is a -- >> still listening. shut up. >> hey, guys, we're here to act

professional. please, sir, go ahead. >> thank you. this is an avoidable issue. and by not wearing masks in schools, it's irresponsible. >> wow, grady knox, student at rutherford county school in tennessee joining me now. thank you for joining us. what courage it took you to stan up there with your mask on knowing there were some people who didn't want that to happen, a mask mandate. >> thank you for having me. >> first i want -- yeah. i want to give you a moment to talk about your grandmother, and what happened. >> so my grandmother had been living in a -- like a retirement type community. and we had minimal contact with you, you know, just giving her groceries so she could stay safe. at one point there was guests over and one of them graduate covid in. we feel like if they had been

wearing masks better, then we could have probably avoided the issue. >> what was it like when you stood up there at the school board meeting to tell your truth, to advocate for wearing masks in your school and you heard people laughing and yelling at you and saying "sit down"? >> well, i knew going up that people were going to disagree with me, because, i mean, there is wherein there was a school board meeting. there were going to be people that disagreed. i figured that if anything, that would be the one time when people would hear me out, you know, because it is about my grandmother, it's not about what i personably -- personably -- personally believe. i feel like just that happening, it kind of left me shaken. but i knew that i had to stay with it and keep talking to get my message across to everyone. >> did anybody say anything to

you afterwards, grady? >> i -- a lot of the people that were in support of masks came up to me right afterwards and told me, like, you know, good job. we can't believe that happened but we think that it's really great what you were saying x. the security officers actually came and gave me a pat on the back. >> and you actually win at the end of the day, right? you won because they actually instituted mask mandates. so your words, the power of your words and you being there and the other people that were advocating for mask mandates won at the end of the day. how did that make you feel? >> it was so exciting. because all of my friends started texting me. and they were like, grady, look what happened. we did it. because woos really a group effort, i think. and just all of us were so excited together that we actually accomplished something in the school board. and it was just so powerful to feel that we actually are making

a difference in our school system. >> grady, just quickly, what is it like inside your classroom, with some wanting to wear masks, others not. now there is a mask mandate in place but is there a division in your classroom amongst some students? >> i feel like -- there is not like -- no one makes fun of anyone. i know some schools have issues with bullying. that hasn't been an issue at my school. but there is definitely a great enough number of people not wearing masks that it would affect the people in the classroom just because there is so many people not wearing masks and sitting close to each other that it's -- yeah, it's kind of a big issue, especially with contact tracing. lots of kids are out all the time, like half the class at some points. and there is no virtual school in tennessee right now. so they are just at home without any instruction. and that's why i think masks are really important for us

specifically, so that kids can stay in school and get the education that they deserve. >> grady knox, keep using your voice. we're so sorry for the loss of your grand mother. but in a way, you are using her voice and yourself, and your family's and all the people that support you in speaking up and saying what you believe. so keep using that voice. it is so important. and keep wearing that bow tie, because you certainly know how to wear it. grady knox, great to have you this afternoon. good luck ahead, grady. >> thank you so much. that wraps up the afternoon, everybody. i'm yasmin vossoughian. i will see you next weekend. i am going to turn it over now to reverend al sharpton and "politics nation." good evening, and welcome to "politics nation." tonight's lead, code red. >> we have got to listen to the