>> what are you doing here. i'm surprised you're not at the met gala. this is what i'm going to do. >> i see you in florals or leopards. i need to see prints, prints. do it. >> i love it. >> have a good night. >> take care. good evening. we begin tonight with a depression era political cartoon that proves that anti-vax hysteria is nothing new. the misinformation cliff nearly a century old presented anti-vaxers walking into the dark waters of smallpox. reason from prejudice to carelessness to giving into fads. sound familiar? no one wanted smallpox. this stuff was deadly.

it struck fear into the hearts of millions and also killed millions of people every year until a vaccine came along and eradicated it. anti-vaxers have been around as long as vaccines themselves. can you imagine if back then there was a major political party backing them up. fast forward to 2021 and that's exactly where we are now. kevin mccarthy, the republican leader and colt 45 groupie tweeting in all cap rant, no vaccine mandate period. the governor is threatening the fine cities and counties that require workers to be vaccinated while passing the mike to anti-vaxers at his press conference. >> no one should tell you what to put in your body.

for me, that's a problem. >> that's a lot. that's not true. wait a minute. what was that part about how no one should tell you how what o put in your body and about your body. has the texas governor received that message? you think we could agree on this one thing, staying alive. keeping our children alive, our parents. a large cdc report says unvaccinated people are 11 times more likely than vaccinated people to die from covid-19. 11 times. the republicans are committed to siding with the virus and they have quickly gone from allowing vaccine skepticism to making it the official party line, full stop. talk about unprecedented times. this is the first time an entire major political party has organized itself around opposition to a life saving vaccine. just imagine if this had

occurred during smallpox. would we even be here. you have the person the head of the republican party, kevin mccarthy, goofy and undig undig, he is the leader of the party tweeting no vaccine plan date. does he include measles, mump, smallpox, polio? how did the republican party with the federalist in 2015 saying unvaccinated people should be discriminating being a party built on anti-vaxism? >> by having deeply unserious people like kevin mccarthy in

leadership roles. in florida you're required to have a whole host of vaccines to go. you have a political party that is being reckless but there's a certain dishonesty to it because ron de santis would insist to you that he has been pro-vaccine and yet he stands next to someone who peddles misinformation, disinformation and then he had a choice. he could have stepped to the m microphone and said what you heard is wrong. i'm against the mandate but it's not true that the vaccine changes your rna. he chose not to say that.

even 1600 americans dying every single day. i think historians will look back on this completely puzzled. historians of politics, of science and of public health. what was going on with republicans back in 2021? >> the people are mostly vaccinated. people who are protected from covid because they are vaccinated and pushing anti-vaxer as politics. we have in washington state filling the icu with people from idaho because their governor refuses to do any kind of mandates and is pushing his own people. people are pushing their own children to go unmasked and unvaccinated because a lot o too young to get vaccinated. i think you as someone in this business, have you ever seen anything like this? imagine if this was done about

ebola. insisting it be allowed in. insisting they let those patients on cruise ships. i'm curious to get your take on what we're seeing. >> it's totally baffling, deeply irresponsible and just shocking because why are we -- why are they acting like this some affront to our liberties. this is normal. this is routine. we get vaccines for all sorts of things. we're in the midst of the biggest public health crisis of the past hundred years. hundreds of thousands o of people died. livelihoods have evaporated and we can't get one party to recognize there's way out of this. a simple way out. that's through the safe and highly effective vaccines. what's shocking hearing this from republicans is there is pro-business. businesses want the mandates because the federal government says it. businesses want to encourage vaccinations and require vaccinations before you go to a

sporting event or a theater. it's really baffling from paub lick health standpoint. >> it's their people. republicans are the most unvaccinated group charlie. they are directing this sort of pro-death policy. it's very jim jones. it's saying take this kool-aid and drink it and live long enough to vote for me. i cannot believe this man was able to touch obama. . he was the white house physician. thank god nothing went wrong with him treating our president. he's vaccinated. he wants to be on the team. he says this is the only reason

i got vak si flat preponderance of the evidence. >> the only reason i got vaccinated is i'm on the foreign affairs committee and i knew that nancy pelosi was not going to let me travel on congressional delegations if i didn't get it. otherwise i probably wouldn't have got it because i'm otherwise pretty healthy. >> that's what most people are unvaccinated will have to do. your job says you'll have to get it. he's explain whag his con spich wents has to do but he feels like he has to make an excuse for doing something for his own health. >> that demonstrates that these mandates work. that's exactly the way they will work. people will decide to get it and will use this as the excuse. to the point about being pro-business. if we want our lives back, we want the economy back, this is the way to do it. we have this incredible miracle that we have been granted by public health scientists. we have the vaccines. it can get our kids back to

school. it can get our families back together again. it can get us traveling again. the motion that somehow the republican party has decided to demagogue this is truly extraordinary because they claim it's all about freedom. the reality is that freedom is always been balanced with responsibility. the united states supreme court back in 1905 balanced out what was the meaning of liberty. personal liberty didn't mean anything if we did it to destroy the community. >> yeah. i mean there go to is to try to

blame people. it's the blacks. if you just get the black. it's you guys. it's republicans. it's not african-americans are polling just like democrats. vast majority willing to get vaccinated. nicki minaj and some of the rappers. new york city is creating an indoorman date where you cannot go in. my kids have experienced this. indoor dining restaurant, cafe, clubs, pools, you have to be vaccinated. what is it we're trying to do at this point? what is our most rational goal at this point knowing we'll have a certain percentage of american who is will refuse to get vaccinated and do the right thing or protect their own kids. is our goal at this point to try

to make a safe space for those that are vaccinated? is that a reasonable goal? >> it is definitely a reasonable goal. i think it reflects the reality that we have hundred million, 160 million plus who are vaccinated and tired of being locked down waiting for the unvaccinated to get vaccinated. we really hit the limits here. this is why i support the vaccine man date. i wrote about this in the washington post last month. we hit the limit of the voluntary approach. we tried the hand holding, the cojoeling, the beer and the lotteries. it's not working. we reached the limit. to pull this last group across the line, we have to put in these mandates. that means like the example given. we have to make it a requirement. we should be doing this for travel. we should be doing this as we go into sporting events and because what that does is, increases the burdens on the unvaccinated. it frees up the vaccinated and from a public health standpoint, it increases the total numbers

of people getting vaccinated. that's the way we're all going to be protected. best way to protect our kids is to have adults vavaccinated. i support these moves. we see this for some organizations that have mandated like the airlines, there's a bump up. there were threats people would quit. that's not happening. they are getting vaccinated which shows the mandates are working. >> you are not going quit your job. unless you want to be broke and poor and sit home with no money and do your research on tik tok and watch tik toks all day of other unvaccinated people. it's going to happen because people are going to have to face between being broke and being vaccinated. in the end, i'm done hand holding people too. i've reached my limit. i've reached my limit. i'm not begging anyone else. we're out of time. i was about to ask you a question. people like nicki minaj, you

have a platform that's 22 million followers. i have two million. you have 22 million followers on twitter. for you to use your platform to encourage our community to not protect themselves and save their lives, my god, you could do better than that. it's a blessing. it's a blessing that you got that. that people listen to you and they listen to you more than they listen to me. for you to use your platform to put people in the position of dying from a disease they don't have to die from, oh, my god. as fan, as a hip hop fan, somebody who is your fan, i'm so sad that you did that. so sad that you did that. oh, my god. charlie, dr. joseph, thank you very much. lord, still ahead, tomorrow's hugely important recall election in california would give us a reading on the state of american democracy. will republicans continue to insist that any election they didn't win was automatically rigged? new revelations about

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we're already hearing the usual advance noises from the right about voter fraud. >> i'm worried about fraud. when they found the meth addict with 300 ballots in the trunk of his car, are you hearing any

other stories like that and how worried are you that that night -- might be part of this election. >> i am worried about fraud. >> uh-huh. this should come as no surprise as the 2020 play book is being rolled. this swift embrace of false allegations of cheating in the california recall reflects a growing instinct on the right to say that any lost election mu be marred by fraud. the falsehood spread by mr. trump and his allies have only fueled such fear. that should call him donald. he doesn't deserve mr. trump. any election in which white

voters went for president obama's opponents both times, 60/40. there's no way that president obama won a re-election. that was fraud. it's not like trump made this a thing. this is the way republicans have been operating for a long time because they cannot win elections with there's any appreciatable percent of non-white voters. >> this is part of the ongoing backlash that you're seeing through the changing face of america and it calls into question whether or not we're going to survive as a democracy if people look like the people on your panel today, are in power and have a voice in a democracy. is that legitimate. i think it's dangerous. it really is. what you see and what trump is doing what elders is doing in california is they are sowing the seeds for violence in is

textbook 101 dictator authoritarian stuff. you keep telling the people they are being cheated and manager is being taken from them and we are people, the others, are stilling your country away from you. you're seeding the seeds for violence and it's just matter of time if you keep feeding the fire for violence and having people feel disgrunts led. >> when he wasn't coaching, jeffrey epstein to do tv appearances and interviews. is it basically what they are saying to white americans is you don't know anybody that voted for biden or obama. you who live in a white or all white neighborhood, you never met somebody who voted for those

people so clearly nobody voted for those people. you shouldn't trust the elections because you're not getting your way and only when we win is it legit. here is our great reporter trying to get larry elder to say whether he would accept the results of the election, win or lose. take a listen. >> no matter the results of the election tomorrow, will you accept the results as legitimate? >> i just wish jacob, one time, just one time somebody would say, to my opponent, do you accept the results of the 2016 election? >> whether or not you win or lose, will you accept the results of the election tomorrow? >> i think we all ought to be looking at election integrity. >> is that a commitment -- >> let's all work together. >> is that a commitment to accept the results of the election tomorrow? >> let's work together to find out if it's fair result. >> that's not a commitment to accept the results. >> i answered your question. >> no, you didn't.

>> you have donald trump putting out a statement claiming it's an election scam. they know this dude is going to lose. you've got larry elders campaign promoting a website claiming the recall is over. newsom won and they found vote r fraud. it's only a matter of time before they get the cyber ninjas in there. that's the new way the republican party operates. your thoughts. >> it's ironic because for the claims about voter fraud and hysterias and alt-right lies we have seen from the republican party. the only evidence of voter fraud comes from the republicans and never from the democratic side. that's the excuse. we're talking about the largest state in the union with the largest concentration of democrats and a state where republicans have been the third in voter registration in the state. the answer for why they will lose another election in california that is it must be

voter fraud. it can't be anything else. what's going on right now with this recall is such an illustration of how far the republican party has gone. almost two decades ago in 2003, i was there. i was working in california politics in 2003 when arnold schwarzenegger ran and that's the last time we saw the republicans win the governor's office. he ran on being an immigrant. he ran on uniting democrats and republicans. in today's republican party, arnold schwarzenegger would fot get past the primary process. he would lose the battle which he won in 2003. it's ironic because at that time, the person who was right beside him, cheering him on, fighting for moderate in the republican party was kevin mccarthy. he was the assembly republican leader at the time. he was sucking up to arnold. would go to every photo op possible and here we are 18 years later and it's kevin mccarthy republican party that's undermining democracy and using the recall as another chapter to

try to deconstruct our election process and it's absolutely disgraceful and incredibly hypocrite cal. >> it is. it's an attempt to seize power knowing that it's going to be minority rule. knowing you do not have the support of the majority because you can't appeal to them pause your policies are so out right white nationalists because people of color, the asian american community used to be a swing vote. it ain't no more because they have shown themselves to be so white nationalist leaning that people are no thank no matter what even if the non-white groups -- >> are you saying the china virus didn't catch on? >> i'm afraid to show the polls. it is going toward keeping gavin newsom in. should we be looking at the california election as some sort of bellwether for democrats going into 2022 or is this a generous situation? >> it's a really good question.

it's tough question because there's multiple variables. if you go back to early august and look at the polling data, it was fairly evenly split between recall or keep. at no point did recall have a majority. what you had was large swath of the voters who were undecided or not paying attention. that was the hope of republicans. that's how they squeezed by and get in because the large breadth of voters in california are not paying attention. that's how they win mid-term elections. what you seen with larry elders and the craziness on the right and the anti-immigration stuff on the right and their leading candidate talking about slave owners perhaps need reparations, i think what they have done is they've energized the progressive base. if you look at what vice

president harris did the other day when she went out there, she began to connect the dots to what is happening in california or the republican party or trump's party. their attack on workers right, reproductive rights, attack on women and attack on immigration. she beautifully connected the dots for the sleeping giant of california voters to what's happening in california to the bigger picture and they have to wake up. i think she did a great job. >> the guy who embraced trayvon martin's killer. nobody wants you to be their governor. nobody is interested in you being anybody's governor. i know where you got that or what they had you smoking that people want you to be their governor. if you win, it would be like 12% of the vote. go back on the radio. we have some exciting news to announce today. the new reid out blog goes live tomorrow. this will be a digital extension of our show led by our wonderful

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undercover journalist approached pence and identified herself as someone who had taken part in the insurrection. after some discussion about why he didn't desert fi the election, he falsely claimed there were irregularities in the vote. he said the ultimate in christian charity or bat poop bananas. >> we were wondering why you didn't stop the election from being stolen? >> read the constitution. you'll see it. >> do you think the election was stolen there or not? >> i think there are a lot of irregulariies that are being fixed at state levels. you never want washington, d.c. to run elections. i love your heart. thank you. >> thank you so much. >> i love your heart. pence believed that she was an insurrectionists and she still praised her for her devotion to

the big lie even though the big lie had him running for his very life, literally. remember when they were chanting hang mike pence? remember the gallows? no. >> hang mike pence. hang mike pence. hang mike pence. hang mike pence. hang mike pence. >> the big lie inspired them to try to kill you, man. were their hearts in the right place too? it's another sign that a dangerous fallacy is central to the gop's identity. according to a new cnn poll, nearly six in ten republicans say that believing the big lie that trump won the 2020 election is important to being a republican. joining me now is congressman eric swalwell of california. he was an impeachment manager earlier this year. to be a republican, you have to be opposed to saving your own life from covid. you have to want to get covid and you have to believe the big lie. that's it.

what do you make of mike pence? the guy they wanted to hang and who they would have, god knows what they would have done to him. the fact he is like, i love your heart to somebody who he thinks was part of that mob. >> i don't love any would be insurrectionists heart. i wish our former vice president wouldn't either. it shows the environment we're in right now where when someone like mike pence doesn't believe the cameras are on, it's quite defensive of what he has to do. however, he also recognize he's talking to an insurrectionist and if he wants to president, it's the insurrectionist party and you need their support. you can't have it both ways. donald trump has proved that by throwing over board really anyone who has tried to have a foot in the moral clarity lane and a foot in the pro-coup lane. this is the problem. i have come to realize that i

have quite naive when i first went to washington. they were all in on it and that's what you see right now with so many figures in the republican party. when the cameras are not on, they know it's batty and crazy. they do it because they think it's what the fans around the ring want. they don't have constituents. they have fans. the problem though that we saw on january 6th is that if fans think that you are advocating for that, truly, and that you believe in it. they will do the same thing. when you say you're going to the capitol, they're going to follow right along with you. they're going to keep going along and it's going to get more and more violent. >> i used to watch prowrestling too. there's a story in the guardian now. among those who are now targets of these requests for records,

mark meadow, former chief of staff many the kwhous, your thoughts? >> good. during the russia investigation and the impeachment investigation, mark meadows took as many shovels out of the shed that he could find to try and bury evidence to help donald trump. he never once spoke up. he was another one where privately he would want the talk the you and joke with you. he would come and put his hand on my back when the cams weren't looking. when he had to sing for his supper for donald trump, he would sing at the top of his lungs and he's one that knew better but played to fans. to me in washington, that's worse than somebody who believes in it. it's something that wants power and fame.

the one who is were heroic on that day. what do you make of the fact we have six police officers, six capitol police officers who can face discipline for taking the wrong side. this includes the guy who took the selfie with some of these insurrectionists, refusing and failure to comply with directive, improper remarks and dissemination of information to get to members of congress. >> my dad is a cop and my two brothers walk the beat every night. it really concerns me. we need to know that there is no inside threat because we already have an inside threat from the pro-coup, pro-insurrectionist

members of congress. if you're able to martha up with more law enforcement officers, that creates a dangerous environment. that's such a small amount of people. we're not seeing enough support in the law enforcement community for the january 6th officers. if you talk the the officers they look at the message boards across the country and see what their being called and how they will being described. i wish they were honored the way we honor the firefighters after september 11 because they truly fought hand -- hand to hand combat for hours to defend our capital and protect life. >> amen. former president george w. bush have likened the domestic extremists to al qaeda. if you're with them, you're with the equivalent of al qaeda. that comes from the guy who launched this global war on terrorism. >> that's right. >> congressman, thank you very much. appreciate you. absolute worst is still ahead with important lessons on

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melania trump's i really don't care, do you jacket summed up her tenure in a nutshell. no matter how dangerous his actions were, that cold cavalier attitude is clear in a new book by her former chief of staff. on january 6th, soon after insurrectionists broken through barricades, she received a text message.

do you want to tweet that peaceful protests are the right of every american but there's no place for lawlessness and violence, she asked the first lady. she replied with a one word answer. no. at that moment, she was at the white house preparing for a photo shoot of a rug she had selected. one reason she may not wanted to condemn the insurrections and the rug was way more important or she just agreed with them. she said that she seemed to share donald trump's view that the election was rigged. she said something bad and happened and the election results were legitimate. in a statement to politico, her office said the intent behind this book is obvious, it's an intense to redeem herself. that was a below the belt reference to her relationship with marx miller who has been accused of assaulting her. he's denied. . all the best people.

this feels like a case of sort of villain versus villain. i don't remember this woman who has written this book being exactly heroic in her role as press secretary. she is telling tales on melania, isn't she? >> she is. i have to reserve judgment until i've read the book even though i don't think it will be new any novel revelations that anyone needs to concern themselves with. we know she doesn't care. we know she's going to do what donald says and does. i was on the fropts lines with stephanie grisham and she doesn't hold truth or fact in high regard. i don't believe that anything in the book is relevant to truth and we'll see what it says. >> i think that's fair. i don't think she ever held a press conference when she was press secretary. her time was very unmemorable. she's backed up at least by some

of the things that we know. he tweeted this. she was informed of the violence at least an hour before trump tweeted his 2:24 attack on vice president pence. further undercuts the paper thin claim that trump wasn't aware that pence faced danger. it appears that both trumps knew there was danger going on at the capitol. is it believable to you that melania just didn't care. >> coming so personally from someone who was inside the white house, had a personal friendship with melania and there to help children and calling out what was happening. stephanie was the one who the henchman to throw me under the bus and i was fired when i wasn't. the trumps know everything that's going on. they are fully aware of the situation at hand.

they remove themselves. they distance themselves a little bit just so somebody else can do their dirty work. >> you said it makes sense she kept her chief of staff around. she spent her time speaking to the press and spreading falsehoods to others. does she care about anything? obviously she cared about that rug but is there anything you detected that she cares about? >> i learned a lot being on the inside with her. she was someone i was friendly with, extremely friendly with on the outside when we spent time together not talking about politics or anything having to do with washington. she does care about herself and her son and her parents. that's a matter of fact. beyond that, i really don't think so. >> wow. i have to ask you about the met gala that's going on tonight. i know you are heavily involved in organizing that beautiful event with these phenomenal dresses. we'll show some of them now. we have amanda gorman.

i hope we have iman. i have this theory that part of the rage you see on the right is there disinclusion from the culture. from the fabulous culture. from the popular culture because their views are so out of line with where we are as a multiracial, multiculture country. they don't like it. they hate it and they are disincluded in it. do you think that -- does that read as accurate to you. that's part of the anger you see on the right. they are not getting invited to this. jivanka are not getting invited. >> i think this is ivanka's next step to try to get into the white house and clear her name a bit. i really do believe that. ivanka is not getting invited to the met gala. it's something i produced for 11 years. something i was so passionate and something i gave up and i

miss. i have to tell you, it's all about culture. it's all about sport, musics, entertainment, bringing together the most fabulous, fashionable people that have something to say beyond politics where it's not about the other person. it's about our country and abou. it's about charitable giving and that's what, you know, the met is really signifies. >> kwi can i show you the equal rights amendment dress, team? that's carolyn maloney representing the equal rights amendment. it does some good, right? for those who are not familiar with it, what is the purpose of this gala? >> this gala is to raise money for the metropolitan museum of art. it's charitable giving. it's for the anna wintor costume institute and it is the only funding the costume institute receives. so i, having personally been part of that, felt that i was giving back in such a big way to new york city and this is about american designers, this is about our industry. this is about a

multibillion-dollar industry that hasn't seen anything happening for so long, joy. so i am joyed actually to see the red carpet filled tonight. >> yeah. and do you see any -- i mean, this is the kind of thing that i think the right would have wanted to see a melania trump at, right? they think of her, despite all the various inconsistentsies in her stories, being this phenomenal first lady, i don't know why. she never did anything for anyone but this is the kind of thing, she ain't getting into that, either, right? i mean, there is no reason to have her there. >> no, and again, the way that anna wintour, you know, orchestrates the costume benefit evening is about bringing the right people together for the right conversations to do the right thing. and it's not just about -- um -- showing up and putting a beautiful smile on your face and looking, you know, beautifully dressed. that is all that melania brings to the table and it's unfortunate because, you know, the world needed a first lady. the world needed for her to step up, say something, do something, and she didn't. and so, tonight's representation

on the red carpet wouldn't signify anything that melania stands for. so, she wouldn't be invited. and, you know, no expectations for her there. >> yeah, and as a daughter of an immigrant, it was especially said she wasted that opportunity because she could have spoken up for immigrants in this country and she did not. but she did love that rug, apparently. stephanie winston woke off, thank you very much. appreciate if. tonight, president biden is out west today. he just wrapped a speech in northern california tying the extreme weather we have seen this summer to the climate crisis. and emphasizing the need to address that crisis by spending billions of dollars in the upcoming reconciliation bill. earlier today, he attended a briefing at the national interagency fire center in boise, idaho, on what the administration can do to support firefighters who are working to control this year's record-breaking wildfire season. he then went to california where he attended a briefing on the wildfires ravaging the state and took an aerial tour of the

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saturday's remembrances of the 20th anniversary of the september 11 terrorist attacks brought us a display of the best kind of american leadership. as former presidents barack obama and bill clinton appeared longside president biden at the former world trade center site. vice president harris also delivered remarks. amid that show of unity, the most recent former president chose the low road, as usual.

taping a message criticizing president biden over afghanistan, and skipping formal ceremonies. instead, he appeared at a fire precinct and again violated the solemnity of the day reracking the usual tunes. that was before his main event providing commentary at a florida casino. ah, dignity. but the disgraced, former president wasn't the only right-winger to show their worst onto the anniversary. cue rudy giuliani who is basked in undue praise for doing nothing else besides just basically being mayor on 9/11 like the shout-out he got from his former client congratulating him for the 20th time on the anniversary. why are you congratulating him? until he hooked up with the orange guy, and became a humiliated figure. panhandling for cash on social media. and it's something he thought was the four seasons hotel, which it wasn't. but on saturday, rudy found new and exciting ways to degrade himself. attacking the chairman of the

joint chiefs of staff, mark milley, and mocking the nearly 100-year-old queen elizabeth. >> miley? how did -- how is that guy a general? i want to grab his stars, shove it down his throat and say it's 400 miles from china [ bleep ]. you did a wonderful job. on september 11th. and therefore, i am making you on honorary knight commander of the royal something rather. >> i wish he would. mark milley would crush you and if that isn't weird enough, there is also texas attorney general ken paxton. who friendly reminder, is under scrutiny from the house january 6th select committee. he was also investigated by the texas state bar for asking the supreme court to invalidate the 2020 election. all while being under indictment for securities fraud for the last six years. that, ken paxton, took time off from suing texas school districts over mask mandates to tweet his thoughts accompanied by a frankly tasteless and

uncomfortably weird image. a plane careening toward three men seemingly oblivious while clutching red cups most often seen at keg parties. paxton deleted his tweet sunday morning amidst a slew of dually earned criticism. but his short-lived, crass, and inexplicable message has earned him the honor of being tonight's absolute worst. "all in with chris hayes" starts now. tonight on "all in." >> we defeated trump. we haven't defeated trumpism and i want folks to know that's what's really behind this recall. the huge political stakes of california's recall election as the republican party radicalizes behind the big lie. >> whether or not you win or lose, will you accept the results of the election tomorrow? >> i think we all ought to be looking at election integrity. then, the thin line between anti-vax mandate and just anti-vax. erased in real-time in florid