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the right decision to leave. >> there's no evidence that staying longer would have made the afghan government any more resilient or self sustaining. if 20 years, hundreds of billions of dollars and support and training did not suffice, why would another year, another five, another ten? >> now this comes as president biden is about to land in colorado where he will make another pitch for his build back better plan. democrats hammer out the detils of a reconciliation bill to make the proposal a reality. we're going to talk with pramila jayapal about where things stand at this hour. now it is also recall day in california. voters in that state decide if governor gavin newsome should remaun in office. this vote comes as senate democrats put forward a new ill to protect voting rights.

we're going to talk with alex padilla about the path forward. now in texas, more than 300,000 homes and businesses are without power after tropical storm nicholas made land fall. bringing high ones and heavy rains to the gulf coast. some places could see up to 20 inches of rain from this storm. we begin with the latest out of afghanistan with richard engel live in kabul for us. and our must be might be international affairs analyst. let's start with you on the ground, richard. we have secretary of state anthony blinken saying the threat from isis and al qaeda has grown. on the other hand, we're top intelligence officials saying that al qaeda could rebuild in a year in afghanistan. and then we have people like lindsey graham insisting the country is on the cusp of a civil war. give us that reality check on the ground. what are you hearing about what

is emerging under this new taliban controlled afghanistan? >> they all could be true. this country could descend into civil war. there are serious economic problems here. there's a financial crisis. there is no money in the country. there are divisions within the taliban. the taliban now has the preponderance of power. they have weapons. they have momentum. other smaller factions in some cases try to stand up against them. they didn't last long. so there are some divisions within the taliban. but at this stage, they are under the surface. so i would say maybe a civil war. but we don't seem to be at that stage. it's more of a consolidation of the taliban's control. could al qaeda reconstitute a thet here? it's possible. there are many senior leaders in

the taliban government that are affiliated with al qaeda. for the last 20 years, the two groups have been closely associated, often fought side by side. the taliban did pay a very heavy price for the association with bin laden, for the fact that the 9/11 attacks were masterminded from here. so the taliban would go to great lengths according to not just taliban officials i talked to but regional intelligence officials. they would go to great lengths to prevent another massive attack like this being launched from the territory. they don't want to lose this country once again. but that doesn't mean that what happened here couldn't inspire other terrorists. the tough that taliban have. they were victorious because of their faith and willingness and

with god's grace they were able to defeat a superpower. that is a very powerful narrative which the taliban are spreading and is easy to be spread. there is some truth to it. the u.s. pulled out in withdraw with the taliban helping them out the door. that could certainly inspire lone wolf terrorists, ice is taker usts, whoever to try to carry out an attack. also this country could become magnet for other foreign fighters. they say they will prevent that from happening but it is unsure if it is a threat in the same way that u.s. military officials would see them as a threat. it could be the old question of one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. secretary of state blinken insisted that international pressure would keep the taliban to their word on peace for women, for example. he got a lot of pushback on that. but just today, we have the taliban's acting foreign minister pleading for more

international relations and for more aid. is this sign that secretary of state blinken is right? that the taliban does need international legitimacy and resources and would self moderate if need be? they do want that international legitimacy. i think to assume they want to only from america or from the west is an assumption that is dangerous to make. they made it clear that they don't want to be seen as someone that has a leash oren their neck. particularly from the americans who they -- they see as themselves defeating. the americans, in fact, through the plan from president trump handed over afghanistan back to the taliban. so yes, they want international legitimacy. it doesn't necessarily mean they want it just from america.

they need the money. they say they will give women rights and their interpretation of shariah. they talk about the brain drawn today in that press conference. talking about afghans leaving. asking them to come back. but they're not talking about the brain drain, the drawn that they created by taking women out of the workplace. saying they can't work side by side with men. not talking about the ethnic minorities, many of whom have really done amazing work in building themselves in the last 20 years through education. they're not even part of the government. there are three minorities in the government and not one of them were women. so the taliban want international legitimacy. they need the money. they need the assets unfrozen. but i don't see them capitulating to what the americans want. in fact, they talk about not wanting a leash around their neck. they do technically have many leashes around their necks by

their neighbors, whether it be pakistan or china. so they don't want that american leash around it as well. >> they criticized pakistan's relationship with the taliban. but what kind of relationship do the two countries have? what does that mean for the united states? does the united states have any leverage over pakistan in trying to shape what happens internally within afghanistan. they want to say there is some effort with afghanistan and pakistan. why after 20 years has america left afghanistan? as -- let's be honest, they lost the war. the taliban are back. you know, before i even went to afghanistan, when i meet in washington with different figures, whether it be be at the pakistan or afghanistan desk at the pentagon or state

department, one thing they kept repeating to me is no war has ever been won when your enemy finds santuary across the border. and that border is pakistan. and pakistan, they claim to be friends with the americans. parts of the government are friends with the americans. but when you look at really what the isi had been doing, that is the pack pakistani in afrg. afghanistan. i've seen a letter from a former isi official who said the current government is friendly to pakistan. and this he have told the taliban to just stomp down the dissent when they were seeing these female activists chanting death to pakistan. it really bruised egos there. and they even pushed the taliban to be more forceful with those protesters. >> all right. we thank you both and make sure you join us this sunday for a

special edition of "on assignment. richard engel reports on america's 20 year war in afghanistan through the eyes of an enlisted soldier and afghan people. that say special edition of "on assignment with richard engel." "the new york times" released an investigation into the u.s. drone strike that won afghan family told nbc news killed ten members including seven children. on august 29th, the u.s. military conducted an aur strike. one said contained an isis bomb and an imminent threat to karzai airport. but "the new york times" says that drone likely targeted an innocent man and his family. we asked tony blinken about the struk at yesterday's hearing. here is that interaction the

strike happened when there were a lot of eyes on kabul. it is not unusual for u.s. drone strikes to kill civilians. it is not unusual for the u.s. government to claim it killed terrorists instead. how can you possibly ensure us that our drone strikes and over the horizon capabilities will actually reach their targets? >> that is being looked at very, very, very carefully by others in the administration. so that we understand exactly what happened. or what didn't happen. >> joining me now is one of the reporters who broke this story, evan hill, a journalist on "the new york times" visual investigations team. first off, walk us through the process of reporting this story. how did you manage to fact check and get to the conclusion that you guys have? >> thanks for having me. this was a story that began with tweet from kabul showing an explosion that took place in a residential neighborhood west of

the karzai airport. a member of our team located that video and determined where that strike hit. that enabled reporters to go to that home soon after the strike and interview the family and find out that something didn't really add up here. something was wrong. beginning that premise, we expanded our investigation. we went to the office that employed this individual and we got the security camera footage. we were able with that security camera footage to re-create august 29th in the life of this man. and what we determined from that investigation was that there were a lot of holes in the government's case. this man was an aide worker and that the things he was loading into his car, that the military might have interpreted as explosives could have been water containers and laptops. >> expand on that for us a little bit. what did your investigation reveal about the calculus that went into the u.s. decision to

carry out this deadly strike? >> so what we got from u.s. government sources, one of our national security reporters did a the lot of good reporting. what we heard from sources is that essentially they were looking at what they call islamic state safe house in kabul. how they identified that safe house we don't know. they tracked that sedan for eight hours and tracked all over kabul. they said they had communication s between the safe house and sedan that they thought was suspicious and that, you know, ordered the sedan to make stops around kabul, meet with a motorcyclist, et cetera. what we got from the colleagues of this man on the ground when we interviewed all five men in the car with him that day is that this was actually a normal day. he was running errands for his

ngo, driving people around kabul. he was delivering food. so it's an example perhaps of how this surveillance from the air may get things wrong. >> part of the policy going forward called over the horizon capabilities. we often don't think of these individuals as people. we think of them as statistics. or even as sometimes simply targets in this endless war. what do we know about this afghan family and what they've had to endure now? >> yeah. that's exactly right. and this really represented a rare opportunity where we got all eyes were on kabul. as the representative said. it's a rare opportunity to get to know the person, interview his colleagues immediate will you after a drone strike. we don't get this opportunity a lot. what we know is he was a 43-year-old man. he works for a nutrition and education international for 14 years. he was a technical engineer by training. by all accounts, he was a beloved member of this

organization. the leader of the organization based in pasadena, california. told us he was a member of his family, essentially. he had four children, three boys, one girl. and they were expecting to immigrate to the united states. the ngo that employed him had applied for refugee resettlement to the united states four days before he was killed. >> all right. evan hill, thank you very much to you and your team for that eye opening and very important report from afghanistan. evan, thank you. still ahead, a bombshell new book reveals just how afraid the nation's top general was that donald trump would actually start a war and the top secret actions he took to stop it. plus, we're following breaking news in the california recall election hours before polls close. governor gavin newsome adds a campaign stop. we'll bring you a live report from there next. first, former "saturday night live" cast member norm mcdonald has died after a long private battle with cancer.

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breaking news about what is happening in government the final months of the trump administration. on two occasions, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff general mark milly called his chinese counterpart to assure thim that the united states would not carry out a strike on china. now this revelation comes from the soon to be published book "peril" by "washington post" reporters bob woodward and robert costa which is based upon interviews with more than 200 people and is set to be released one week from today. >> joining me now is white house bureau chief for "the washington post" and nbc news political correspondent, analyst, excuse me, ashley parker. good to have you with us. he is calling china to prevent an all out war. you covered this white house closely. what does it signal after the election? >> i think what it shows this new book previous books about

the administration and even just our daily coverage is that a number people around former president donald trump were incredibly and increasingly alarmed. they came to view hum as someone that was dangerous, potentially uncontrollable. and real threat to everything from from democracy, you know, to global peace and stability. you have people running around doing things on the side without the president's knowledge to prevent an utter catastrophe. and the national security threat, potentially. . >> speaking of that, the book says that general millie was so concerned about the former president's mental state and that even other officials shared those fears, the cia director, for instance, reportedly told milly, we are on the way to a right-wing coup. why did none of them speak out

publicly at the time or do anything publicly about it at the time? >> that's a great question. and it's one i as a white house reporter and others grappled with sort of constantly. and different people have different reasons. when you put that very question to him, if you knew he was going to do this or worried he wasn't mentally fit for the job, why didn't you come out and say so? the answer is often that it wouldn't necessarily matter and they felt they could do a better job on the inside running interference. you see that thing that seemed catastrophic. you don't know the four things we just prevented. that is a self serving argument but one we heard regularly. >> there is more about this about mike pence. it covers how far went to stau lowell to trump. even his baseless election fraud

claims in arizona and details how pence calls former vice president dan quayle who told him, mike, you have no flexibility on this, none, zero, forget it. put it away. but pence pressed him. authors writing asking if there were any grounds to pause the certification because of on going legal challenges. obvious will you, the former vice president was unmoved and pence agreed. why do you think pence, ashley, went this far in the final months? what did very to gain by being so loyal to trump? >> it's in line with who vice president pence was and is and what we reported at the time. pence sort of always knew or believed to know what his final position would be which is what he did do.

it was ultimately certify the election results. but he did pursue every legal challenge. he talked to the senate parliamentarian. he talked to historians. it turns out he talked to dan quayle. to sort of ask what are my options? is there a possible precedent? he knew that his value to former president trump was being loyal, being loyal person and that there was no role in which he could go to trump without saying i talked to everyone. you've done everything. i looked into every constitutional loophole and this is just something that i can't do. now the book makes this point. others reported that that was not enough for donald trump. and he was and remains furious with his vice president. >> all right. ashley parker from "the washington post". always great to you have on. thank you for your unsights. >> thank you. it is election day in california. today voters across the state will decide whether or not gavin newsome should stau in office or become the third governor in the nation's history to be removed

in a recall election. today voters will answer two questions, should the governor be recalled and if so, who should replace him? now recent poll released by the berkeley institute of governmental studies and "los angeles times" said that they would vote to keep newsome in office. the main opponent larry elder has already begun questioning the integrity of the election. joining me now from san francisco is nbc news correspondent. good to see you, jacob. governor newsome just added a new campaign stop in san francisco whacht does that say about the confidence in the final stretch here? >> you know, you was wondering the same thing. last night they were very, very confident message in los angeles where the president of the united states came to long beach to campaign on behalf of the governor. but i talked to campaign officials here who say it's just to thank volunteers for the union hall, the electrical workers here in san francisco. the governor is going to come by. this is a get out the vote

event. he is going to make his way to sacramento. they still seem to feel confident about the state of this race. and that the governor will will not be recalled despite some really, i think, contentious fair to say early weeks of this campaign where they thought it wasn't looking good. so you'll see the government spend some time here. trying to get the last votes out. at the end of the day, as always, i know this sounds cliche, it's going to come out -- come down, i should say, to turnout. larry elder is saying he may not accept the results of the election. that's what he said to me at least. they want a large and decisive victory in the 2-1 democratic state. that's what governor newsome is doing on the ground down here or will be doing. >> jacob, we're staying on top of this throughout the day. the polls close and results come n i appreciate your reporting. still ahead, senate democrats unveil the new and improved voting rights bill. but it still faces major uphill

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integrity and encouraging civic participation. among many other things that the bill would make election day a public holiday. require same day registration at polling places and 15 days of voting early for federal elections. chuck schumer promised a vote in the near future. joining us now is one of the sponsors of that bill, california democratic senator alex padilla. thank you so much for your time today. what more does this bill do to protect voting rights and fight back against voting restrictions that are being enacted by a number of republican led states? >> look, glad you started the segment with what is happening in california. as you recall, i served as california secretary of state for six years. we implemented the very reforms called for. and for the people act and now in the freedom to vote act. we're talking about making it easier for eligible people to register to vote. stay registered to vote. and actually cast their ballot

online. same day registration, proven successful practices, expanded vote by mail. no excuse vote by maul specifically in person early voting for a number of days as you mentioned. and just wish every voter in america had access to all these options to participate. it is good for our elections as well. >> i have a two parter for you. i'm sure can you guess the second part. >> you may have all 50 democratic senators onboard. you stul need ten republican voters to get it through the senate. what are you and your fellow sponsors doing to try and find those ten republican votes? anywhere close to ten? >> i think today's bill release was a big gesture. what we heard it is was too comprehensive and expansive.

so this bill is focused. it is tailored with proven best practices. and so we go at it again. are there ten republicans with the courage to step up and do the right thing and vote yes to overcome this antiquated rule in the senate? we'll have no choice but to revisit the rules and reform and to filibuster. >> so you did answer the second part of it, are you prepared to abolish the fill buster if you don't get the ten republican votes? are you prepared to carve out an exemption as some have suggested? what is the course of action if you do not get those ten votes? what's the dead line for not getting the ten votes? >> i sure am. number one, i want to make sure that i'm clear on that. some of my colleagues that are more reticent, this is another example of republicans and they're going to come along with this.

this is obstructionists. they're not genuine in saying we have to do this on a bipartisan basis. by the way, all that state legislative measures making it harder for people to vote or stay on the roles are strictly on a partisan basis. we need federal action. we need federal action sooner rather than later. mid terms will be here before you know it. >> senator, i talk about the mid terms. i want to ask you about california. you know, you served, as you mentioned as the state's top election official. even before the polls opened you had a website paid for by republican replacement larry elder. his campaign. and trying to cast doubt on the outcome of the vote. he told our colleague he wasn't necessarily going to accept the outcome of the election. what do you make of this? are we seeing the new republican playbook here when it comes to elections just cast doubt about every election in any state if they don't win?

we heard the excuses that trump had in 2016 at the election didn't go his way. you know, he was out early in 2020. we saw the dangerous results of it on january 6th with the insurrection in our nation's capitol. integrity of our elections is no joke. plenty of election officials republican and democrat that take their job seriously. i'd like to think that higher levels of participation in california are a reflection of so many people trusting in the system but for larry elder and the republicans, it's -- they can't one through the poll the so they're going to claim cheating? give me a break. >> i greatly appreciate it as always. >> still ahead, as more companies put in vaccine mandates, some employees are trying to find ways around them.

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but a lack of hospital dedz is not the only issue straining health care centers. in upstate new york, one hospital has announced it will pause maternity services after dozens of staff members quit over a vaccine mandate. all health care workers statewide until september 27th to get the shot. since then, 42 employees from the lewis county general hospital resigned and it could put other departments in jeopardy. joining me with more on this is kristen dalgren. you spoke to the ceo of this hoept. what did he tell you about how this mandate is impacting care? >> right. so this is the state mandate, the hospital following along. they told the workers in august that this was coming down and that people had to get vaccinated by the 27th of this month. 42 of them zuded to resign. another 125 of them still have not gotten the vak sunation.

they haven't said which side they are leaning to. and so when six of the workers were in the maternity department, the hospital looking at what they can do to make sure they're still giving care and they figure that labor and delivery is something mem do have a due date. it doesn't always go that way. and there could be emergency situations. but they thought they would be able to direct the people, work with local obstetricians to get the women to other hospitals. i asked the ceo though whether this was an inconvenience or a danger to women. here's what he had to say. of. >> you know, having a baby, there is always risks. they are working hard to make sure there are no risks or minimize the risk. and the planning and appropriate engagement with another facility, things will be fine. but for must mom and dad this is more than an inconvenience. this is just in credibly

disappointing. >> so some women may now have to drive 50 miles or so. not what you want to hear when you're in labor. he said that this might be a microcosm of what we're seeing in other hospitals as that federal mandate goes into effect. this is a hospital luke so many businesses that already we're seeing a staffing shortage. then this vaccine mandate has made it harder. they now at this facility have an 80% vaccination rate. that compared to 46% in the local communities. >> all right. live for us in new york. thank you for that. as month companies implement covid vaccination requirements, some are turning to religious exemptions to avoid getting the shot, testing the limits of a federal law. "the new york times" reports vaccine resistant workers are sharing tips online for

requesting exemptions to the requirements on religious grounds. others are submitting letters from far flung religious authorities who have advertised their willingness to help. joining me now is ruth graham, "new york times" national correspondent. she's been doing extensive reporting on this topic. i know that large institutions, major dedominations, they encoursed the vaccine and encouraging people to get vaccinated. how are people getting approvals for these exemptions if all of the major religious denominations are saying go get the vaccine? >> yeah. it's really fascinating. like you said, no major denominations, either you have the pope saug getting vaccinated is an act of love or the rabbi is endorsing it. but you still have quite a few people who consider themselves religious are hesitant or resistant to get the vaccine and see that resistance in religious terms. you hear paem citing the passage

that says body is a temple. there is a remote connection to abortion and testing and development that you hear people object to. there is some theological resistance to fear. so basically what you have is people coming together these telegram, facebook, reading things online, maybe seeing independent pastors online speaking against the vaccine. sort of kabuling together this reasons for the resustance. and seeing it in terms of their fauj and a lot of cases. so they're not getting it generally from the pastor down the street. but they're still seeing it as a part of their faith. >> ruth, are we likely to see companies face legal trouble for denying these exemptions? have we seen any company try to deny it so far? >> yeah, companies are in a tough spot here. the federal civil rights act which you mentioned, they have to provide a reasonable accommodations for employees who object to work requirements that

are based on sincerely held religious beliefs. but it's actually defind pretty widely. the beliefs can be new. they can be uncommon and held just by one person. they can even -- i love this, they can seem illogical or unreasonable to others. so there say lot of leeway there. it doesn't have to be endorsed by a religious leader. the objection does not have to be endorsed by a religious leader. companies are in the position of trying to parse out basically the religious from the political. and those beliefs are really entangled for a lot of people at this moment in history. it's a tough job for them. see them, people are filling out forms. others are bringing in statements, being asked to bring in statements from their own pastors. there is a number of different approaches here. companies are treading carefully here to avoid lawsuits. >> you touched on this a little bit in your first answer. can you expand about the kind of

religious leaders and organizations cashing in on these vaccine hesitant workers? who exactly are they? >> sure. there are some large independent evangelical churches that are really going out of their way to announce this online. you can procure statements from them to bolster your own religious objections to the vaccine. exemption requests, accommodations. the so you can get the statements online. there's a big church in tennessee that will do it. big church in california. i won't name them. but they're out there. >> right. >> and then also, a lot of, you know, much smaller just in dependent, you know, i found like prophet in texas who will do this for a donation. you know, there is an opportunity here. any time there is an opportunity, you have people coming forward to take advantage of it. >> thank you so much. i greatly appreciate your reporting and insights into

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president biden has made his way from california to colorado where in just a couple of hours he's set to talk about the potential impact of the bipartisan infrastructure bill. his visit comes as congressional committees hammer out the details of the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill that contains much of his plan as well as expand the social safety net in this country. joining us to talk about all this and more, congresswoman pramila jayapal. i know several senators have expressed concerns proposed $3.5

trillion price tag on the bill, specifically the impact on inflation and the bill is being put together too quickly. i want to give you a chance to respond to that. what would you say to them? >> thank you for having me on, ayman. what i would just say is that we are working to make sure we deliver the entirety of the president's agenda to his desk. that means we guaranteed paid leave for families, child care, universal child care where no family has to pay more than 7%. medicare expansion, fighting climate change, housing investments. these were the priorities of the congressional progressive caucus that are in the bill. and in terms of how to pay for it, look, there's plenty of money if we just tax the wealthiest individuals and the richest corporations as the president has proposed. so there is no shortage of dollars if we make the tax system fair and we allow for those revenues to come in. and so there's plenty of money

to cover this so that the overall cost of this is absolutely zero. but the benefit to people, working families and poor people across this country is enormous. that's why we've been clear that these two bills need to move together and we need to send them to the president's desk to sign together. >> is it about a price tag or the specific items? because given the small democratic majority in the house and having no room for error in the senate, i guess the question would be would you and your progressive colleagues be willing to support a smaller package if it ensured that the votes are there to get it through both chambers? >> well, let's not forget that our original request was for $7 trillion. that's actually what we think we need if we were to do these investments over a decade. we cut it down to $3.5 trillion in an effort to recognize that we needed to get everybody onboard. that was the package that the senate, the house and the white house agreed to when the senate

passed its $3.5 trillion resolution with everybody on the democratic side voting for it. so that is still the place that we are in. and it's not about a particular top line, only in the sense that this is what these investments cost. now, we've already had to shorten the amount of time that certain investments are funded. we would rather do it for a 10-year period. we're doing it for a shorter period of time to get it into the 3.5. when you look at this list of things we are going to deliver for people, it's what we ran on and what we promised, you will see that you simply can't get it done for anything less than the $3.5 trillion and of course that's a gross cost, not a net cost. in the end we will generate revenue from people paying their fair share, the wealthiest and biggest corporation paying their fair share. >> how do you go about getting senator joe manchin and kyrsten

sinema onboard? they're not even necessarily looking at the programs or the investments but are just rejecting the flat-out total $3.5 trillion. >> there are people in the house progressive caucus who really don't like the infrastructure bill that joe manchin, kyrsten sinema and others put together and given a choice they would vote no on that. if they want the bill that they negotiated to pass, then everybody is going to have to do some of what they don't want. progressives may have to vote for that bill even though it has negative things around it in terms of climate change. kyrsten sinema and joe manchin have to remember that they're part of the democratic team. the president's democratic agenda and the agenda we ran on is contained within the build back better reconciliation package. at the end of the day, let's all come together and vote for both pieces and we will deliver transformative relief to americans across the country. >> how do you rate how president biden is leaning into this right

now? do you think he's putting enough pressure from the white house using his pulpit to get the $3.5 trillion passed through the senate? what should he be doing more of, if not? >> i think the white house has been very engaged. i know i've personally been very engaged with the white house and everything is prenegotiated, preconferenced, prediscussed so there is agreement between the senate, the house and the white house, so this is a little different than other processes we've done in the past. and it is making it complex to move it forward quickly, but we are going to move it forward and hopefully we'll be done by the end of september, but we absolutely need to make sure that the reconciliation bill passes first and that we deliver both pieces of legislation to the president's desk. >> congresswoman pramila jayapal, thank you for your time. i always appreciate your insights. just moments ago, jacob soboroff got up with governor gavin newsom as he wrapped up a campaign event in san francisco.

the governor talking about the stakes in this recall election just hours before the polls close there. listen to this. okay. it looks like we don't have that sound yet. we'll try to get that for you. hopefully be able to bring it back to you before the end of this program. but that was jacob soboroff there we understand has just spoken to governor gavin newsom at an event in san francisco. that wraps up the hour for me. i'll see you right back here at 3:00 p.m. eastern. "deadline white house" with nicolle wallace starts right after this quick break. nicolle wallace starts right after this quick break sorry about that. umm... what...its...um... you alright? [sigh] [ding] never settle with power e*trade. it has powerful, easy-to-use tools to help you find opportunities, 24/7 support when you need answers plus some of the lowest options and futures contract prices around. don't get mad. get e*trade and start trading today.

hi there, everyone. it's 4:00 in the east. today there are brand-new revelations with the extreme measures taken to protect our country from donald j. trump's instability mania in the final days of his presidency, including a secret meeting about the nation's nuclear arsenal and efforts to prevent war with china. the new revelations are in the brand new book by bob woodward and robert costa called "peril." "the washington post" was first to report the details of the book. costa and woodward detail how the nation's highest-ranking military officer worked with his chinese counterpart to talk him off the ledge after china grew concerned that trump could launch an attack against them. "the new york times" reporting this, quote, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff twice called his chinese counterpart in the final months of the trump