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tv   The Rachel Maddow Show  MSNBC  September 15, 2021 9:00pm-10:00pm PDT

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happy to have you here we start tonight with some breaking news, just in the last few minutes law enforcement authorities in washington d.c. have started putting up a ring of protective fencing, around the u.s. capitol again. this is you would recall quite similar to the fencing that went up around the capitol after the january 6th attack on the capitol. by trump supporters who are seeking to overturn the results of the presidential election. the fencing initially went up very quickly after the attack, it ended up staying up until july. that fence was unsettling, for
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a lot of people. it was just a profound changed in with the sea of u.s. government looks like for one, and what it feels like to be in washington d.c.. i think it's fair to say there is relief on all sides when the fencing finally came down in july but as of right now, as of this hour, these are live images we're seeing here. it's going back up. nobody expects this time that it'll be up for months on end again, but it is going up as of tonight, because of a saturday event, an event planned for this weekend in which trump supporters once again are saying they will converge on the capitol, this time their event is led by a former trump campaign official, and their convergence on the capital this weekend is explicitly organized around them celebrating the attack on the capital, celebrating the january 6th attack, and denouncing the arrest and prosecution of the people who participated in it. so as of right now, we're watching these images as the
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fence gets moved into place and put back up around the capital. if you know the geography at all, the fenced in area will be between independence avenue and constitution avenue. and also from first street and west to first re-on the east. u.s. capitol police are saying this new round of fencing, will come down hopefully very quickly, after any threat posed by saturday's events has passed. let's hope so we will see. nbc news reports tonight that an online discussion among trump supporters about this week's event suggests small turnout. with lots of extremist pro trump groups warning their followers that if they do come to the capital this saturday, they're likely to get themselves arrested or put on some sort of fbi watchlist. unfortunately that's not stopping messages like this one. explicitly begging for violence. that are surrounding the
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discussions on this weekend's event. this was found by the -- who's been reporting on this for nbc. as the washington post has reported, d.c. residents themselves are being told that no matter the size of the gathering this weekend they should be on the lookout for people who have brought weapons. these flyers are going up all over downtown d.c. these past few days, if you see someone with a firearm immediately call 9-1-1, again we'll keep an eye on this scene tonight, as the protective fencing has started going back up around the u.s. capitol. it started just moments ago, the seat of our nations government once again having to dress up like a military installation. because of the lingering symptoms of the trump era, and politics. last night democratic governor gavin newsom of california defeated a trump inspired recall effort, just a landslide margin, put some perspective on how big of a failure this
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republican recall effort turned out to be, what a waste of 200 and $76 million, it turned out to be for the people of california. who consider that governor newsom was first elected governor in california in 2018 in 2018, he won by a gigantic margin, he won the governorship in 2018 with 61.9% of the vote. last night in the recall, all avoids are not in, yet they will still be coming in for the next few weeks actually. but lastly in the recall, the don't recall gavin newsom, vote looks like it may have been even larger than the vote to elect him in the first place. as of right now the don't recall gavin newsom vote stands at 63.9%, which is two points higher than the vote he got to win the governorship in the first place, in 2018. the republicans whole rationale for doing this recall is that they didn't really think california was truly a blue state.
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they thought surely it was just some kind of accident that gavin newsom became governor, by a 24 point margin, and surely it was some kind of accident that joe biden won the presidential race there by almost 30 points last year surely republicans believe that california, had just kind of screw that up. didn't really mean. california would take back those votes, if they just had the chance. turns out california did not want to take that. back in fact they meal more opposed to republican options than ever. keep asking you guys, you keep finding out. part of what the republicans were banking on i think, in terms of turning around political sentiment in california, was that they were absolutely sure, absolutely sure, that californians didn't want all these policies just try to stop the spread of covid. don't we all agree it's terrible to have these policies that people have to get vaccinated and they have to wear masks to slow the spread of the virus yell with me. are these terrible policies? no. california does not agree with
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that. exit poll data from the california vote yesterday showed voters in the recall believed by a very wide margin, that gavin newsom's vaccination and mask policies to stop covid, we're either just about right, or they should be even stronger. they were not strict enough. those two answers together just dwarfing the number of california voters, the minority of voters, who said they wanted fewer anti covid policies in place. republican talking points on this are out of keeping with what the american people think, on this issue. no matter how emphatic the republicans and conservative media get in this issue, the public are not with them. those numbers from california jive neatly for what we're seeing at the national level, for all the screaming about, from conservative media fitters, publican elected officials, almost uniformly. the american people broadly favor the kinds of policies pursued by gavin newsom in california, the kinds of policies president biden is pursuing nationally, to try to get covid under control.
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and there's been a whole rat of polls to this effect. recently in the last week or two, but just look today at the new ipsos axios polls that's out today. only 60% of the country said they are in support of biden's administration's new support, that businesses need to require vaccination or regular covid testing for all their employees. that 60% support nationwide. even with all the conservative media, and all republican politicians screaming about that for a week now, that it's the end of the world, country is in favor of it. today president biden met with ceos from some of the biggest companies in the country, some of the country's largest employers. to talk about implementing those new rules. to talk about keeping their big workforces safe. that comes as the new cdc data today shows that since the start of the epidemic, cumulative death toll from covid has just been staggering, one in every 500 americans has
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been killed by covid. one in 500 americans have died of covid-19, and counting. over the last couple of weeks we've covered this sad unsettling story out of north idaho, hospitals in north idaho, the big, once the regional hubs, have started rationing care, they've started turning people away because of the crush of very sick covid patients. just overwhelming the system. rationing in a hospital system is a terrible thing. it literally means the people who would otherwise be admitted to the hospital, because of an emergency situation, because of an accident, because of the emergence of an acute illness, people who would otherwise be admitted to the hospital are being turned away. and told that the hospital can't take them in e. as i said, that is the case right now in north idaho, but this is the front page of the paper in twin falls idaho, in the southern part of the state,
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you see the top of the fold? all calm headline there. rationed health care imminent. that's because the whole state of idaho, now says that they are preparing to go to the same crisis standards of care that no room at the end rationing system they have in north idaho, they are preparing to expand that to the rest of idaho to, including the treasure valley resume where boise is. so, that's a bad situation that's getting worse than idaho in other states, including kentucky in a few other states that are approaching that. tonight will be checking in with a family doctor, who's the medical chief of staff at the largest hospital in the whole state of alaska. anchorage has about 300,000 people, it's the largest city in alaska by far, in alaska of course is a huge far flung state, with lots of small lace elated communities, in a state like, that people come to the biggest hospital in the state. they come to anchorage. to the providence alaska medical center. they come from all over the state. from all levels of care, that they cannot get in rural far
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flung areas, that hospital, that key resource for the state of alaska, has also just gone to the kind of rationing system, that north idaho has been in for these past few days. doctors at that hospital in anchorage have written a heart rending, but very practical letter to the people of alaska today. advising the people of alaska what this means. the chief of staff from the hospital will join us from anchorage live, in just a few minutes tonight. i'm top of all that going on. we actually have some further breaking news tonight from the new york times, and i will tell you, the bottom line on this for me is this is a new strange development. any story that was reared from the start, when we first started covering almost five years ago. this was the story that began just a few days before the 2016 election. on halloween 2016. that night, a journalist published this at sleep dot com.
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was a trump server communicating with russia? remember this from 2016? this was a strange story that no one knew quite what to do with at the time. or in the years sense. the basic gist of it was that a group of computer scientists in cyber security researchers, high-end respectable people, to their surprise had stumbled upon evidence that appeared to indicate some kind of extensive unexplained ongoing communication between a computer server at a kremlin connected russian bank in moscow a bank called alfa bank, it was communicating with the server at the trump organization, and donald trump's business, and the importance of this story from the very beginning, was basically that nobody knew with that meant. nobody knew at this was, even the headline of that first story was post in the form of a, question was as trump served communicating with russia? was it? it's hard to tell. but it did seem like there was something we are there. there was something unexplained an odd in the data.
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as a very basic matter, what the data showed, what the evidence appeared to show, was just pings, communicative paintings between these two servers, the one of the russian bank in moscow, in the one in the trump organization. nobody can see the content of these communications. or even if there was any content or any substance communication and. all it was just raw internet metadata, that showed these computers painting each other. 99.9 nine nine 9% of people would not even know how to read that kind of data. but experts who do understand that kind of stuff, saw its, uncovered it in the wild and thought it was a strange finding. it was unusual in maybe it might be benign, it might be some kind of, glitch it might be really nothing. but it was weird and the upshot of that reporting. and the reason those cybersecurity folks showed that date of two reporters, and walked them through it is because at the time, they thought it was odd and
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suspicious enough that it should be looked at, particularly giving all the other concerning stuff that appeared to be going on at the time, with russia trying to interfere in our election, reduction hackers breaking into the democratic party in the clinton clean pain and all of that. and of course, in the end we will learn lunch more about russia actually in fearing in the election, they mounted a huge social media campaign to influence americans, and divide americans. and mislead americans about the election campaign. russia not only breaking into the democratic party added servers, in order to steal information from the clinton campaign in the dnc, but also to then repurpose it and turn it around and weaponize it and try to use it to the greatest effect, to help donald trump try to get elected president. we will learn lots more about that in years to come. not to mention all that we learned about the trump campaign's willingness to engage covertly with the russian government, while the russian government was engaged in activities like that on their behalf, still never had a proper explanation as to why
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trump's campaign chairman at the time, fed private non public proprietary polling data, in the middle of the campaign, to a russian intelligence officer. e with the senate intelligence committee, concluded -- to influence the election on trump's behalf. all of that would come out in the following years. but at the time, just before the 2016 election, on halloween 2016, this thing about these weird communications between the trump organization and the russian bank servers, it was basically just a no of intrigue. and it was never to be conclusively determined to be anything, it was just a sidebar point of interest, an unexplained thing in the russian investigation and never really did get resolved. when robert mueller wrote his report, he ignored the alpha bank matter entirely the center intelligence committee when they wrote their determinative report they said those contacts between the trump organization
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and the alpha bank, at least the contacts between their servers, they said they were unusual contacts but their investigators could never positively conclude what those context might have been. the closest, the whole thing ever came to any sort of apparent resolution, was in this highly contested story, in the new york times, it came out at the same time that this late story did. but the times reported at the time was that the fbi had looked into this matter. spent several weeks looking into this matter but they ultimately concluded that there could be some innocuous explanation for the contacts. but that was basically that. that was basically how it resolved. alphabetic and its kremlin connected executives, have always denied the allegations, that it had anything to do with the trump campaign or any kind of election interference. in fact alpha bank claims in a pair of lawsuits, that the allegations, or the indonesian's in this reporting
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we're also giant frame. they claimed basically that these computer scientists, these researchers, fabricated these server communication records, in order to smear their company and smear the trump campaign, here's where we start to get to tonight's breaking news. because that quite baroque theory, that these unexplained server look ups, between this bank in the trump organization, they're not evidence of communication between alpha bank and the trump an organization, and they're not pings that mean nothing, which people were suspicious about for no rearing this baroque theory that the evidence of communication between those servers was invented, it was forged, it was fabricated, it was the product of a conspiracy, organist rated by the deep state, to frame donald trump by inventing a super hard to understand, totally unclear, random server paying technical
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conspiracy that no one understands. it sounds outlandish. it sounds pointless to you and me. if you are going to try to frame somebody, this is not how you would do. it you would make it something that general people can understand. and actually make it appeared to mean something. you just won't make it this confusing bit of metadata that nobody can ever interpret. that's been alpha bakes theory though, that they've been pursuing in the courts. and the trump justice department, appears to sort of run with that. and we are just now tonight starting to see the results of that even though it's eight months since the trump administration left office. this is john durham. he was the university -- back in 2019, trump attorney general gave john durham a new tax. he told him to go out and examine where the trump investigation came from in the first place. this is something trump and been demanding for a long, time essentially there's no russia
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investigation, anybody that says the russia thing out to be investigated. they should be investigated. them investigating us and russia is the crime. so barr gave durham, this go see if you can dig up some evidence that the whole investigation was actually bogus. cooked up by false pretenses, by the anti trump deep cedars of the clinton campaign or the ukraine, or whatever you can find to support trump's insistence that the whole thing was a hoax, that the whole thing was in fact a crime against him. you might not be aware of, this he may never even heard john dems name if you never really consume right-wing media for the last two years of the trump administration, right-wing blogs in fox news channel, and republican lawmakers, have been constantly heralding, what's the durham investigation was going to reveal. all the people who are going to go to jail, for investigating trump and russia. four in their words, chewing up
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this trump russia investigation, john durham was going to find all of those people and blow the russian hoax wide open, in locker up locker up. president trump himself frequently tweeted about john durham in the investigation, apparently furious that durham hadn't put out a report before the 2020 election. something attorney general bill barr pressured john durham to do. even since he's been out of office donald trump's continued to rail about john durham, where is durham's damning report, where the indictments, why are my enemies not all in handcuffs? for years now, the durham investigation, has been this holy grail, for trump and his supporters, the thing that will finally expose the russian investigation as some kind of crime against trump, that in itself must be avenged, one of the angles durham has reportedly been worrying king on is the theory, which was originally advanced by this kremlin connected russian banker, alphabetic. this theory that alpha bank and the trump organization were
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framed. by computer scientist who supposedly found these communications between their servers. computer scientists to discuss those communications and passed it on to the press. and passed it on to the fbi. for investigation. dexter filkins at the new yorker reported that durham was actually hauling in the computer scientists that it reads these concerns about alpha, and putting them before a grand jury. here's what's just broken tonight in the new york times. john durham, the special counsel appointed by the trump administration to scrutinize the russia investigation, has told the justice department that he will ask a grand jury to indict a prominent cybersecurity lawyer, on a charge of making a false statement to the fbi. any indictment of the lawyer, michael sussman, now a partner at perkins coie law firm, a representative -- russians 2016 hacking of its
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servers, any indictment is likely to attract significant political attention. the case against sussman senators on the case of who is client was when he conveyed certain suspicions about trump and russian to the fbi in 2016. 's among other things investigators have existed whether mr. saucepan was secretly working for the clinton administration. mr. saucepan has committed no crime, they said any prosecution here would be baseless, unprecedented and unwarranted deviation from the a political and principle -- a spokesman for a tenet attorney general merrick garland who has the authority to rule over mr. durham said his client, you did not comment. nor did the spokesman for mr. durham himself. the accusation against the suspend focuses on the meeting he had and 2019, with the fbi's top lawyer at the time james baker. at the meeting sussman relay data, who thought that hot
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internet data might be evidence of a convert communications channel between computer service associated with the trump organization and those are associated with alpha bank, a kremlin ranked russian financial institution. mr. sussman's lawyers told the doj he sought that meeting because he in the cybersecurity researchers believe the new york times was going to publish the data and wanted to give the fbi a heads up. durham did find an inconsistency, as pertains to mr. sussman james baker the former fbi lawyer said to have told investigators that he recalled sussman telling him that he was not meeting him to convey this information on behalf of any clients. but in a deposition before congress in 2017, he testified that he did seek that fbi meeting on behalf of a client, and unnamed clients, who was a cybersecurity expert who had helped analyze the data. so, like i said, this is a weird development in this story
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that is been weird from the beginning. according to what the new york times is reporting tonight, what john durham, this trump appointed bill barr appointed's special counsel, why he is preparing to do, is charge this cybersecurity lawyer mr. sussman's with having told someone at the fbi that he was not representing a client, when in fact he was representing a client, he conveyed this information, this is suspicious information, to the fbi, hey this is national security concerns hey this is about to be in the press. the fbi out a look into this and here's the data that we think is basically what the new york times says that reporters are about to put out of the public, this has nationals cutie implications, here fbi you should have it. and, the basis for the prosecution, at least that's reported by the new york times, is that when sussman did that, he told them i'm handing it over on half not on behalf of a
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client, he says he was doing it on behalf of his cybersecurity client who had dug up the suspicions date in the first place, but the suspicion here, by john durham and company, is that actually, suspend was secretly representing the hillary clinton claim pain. and he handed on this information to the fbi. there's reportedly some evidence that sussman build some of his work to the clinton campaign as some, point again his large firm was representing the clinton campaign's time, his lawyer say there's an explanation for that. in any case, here's was seems to be the key point about this investigation. quote, some of the questions that durham's team asked in recent, months including witnesses that were subpoenaed against the grand jury. suggest he's been pursuing a theory that the clinton campaign use their law firm to submit dubious information to the fbi, about russia and trump in an effort to get investigative activity to hurt the 2016 campaign quote, there's been no public sign
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that he's found any evidence of that theory. what that apparently leaves durham with, is a lawyer, who gave the fbi some information, he thought they should have, the fbi chase that down and decided and probably nothing, and maybe that lawyer fully revealed who is representing at that time. does it matter who is representing at the time? as for why this case is being brought now, well, look at the clock. the meeting in question here, happened on september 19th 2016 let's today's day? september 15th 2021. because of a five-year statute of limitations for such cases, mr. durham has a deadline of this weekend to bring a charge over activity from that day. literally the statue of limitations, expires on sunday, here it is wednesday, and he's
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rushing to get this done before the statue of limitations expires, this indictment is apparently not been filed yet. we do not have all the facts, yet whether this lawyer told the fbi untrue, about who his client, was whether it matters who his claim was when he gave the information for them to look into. that is something that may end up being hashed out in court. but the big picture here, the substance and suspicion around the alphabet stuff, is this might be evidence of some means of convert communication between a u.s. presidential campaign in a foreign entity that was trying to influence our election. if you came across that, if you had some cybersecurity expert guy who was your, clients anybody that data, whether you are working for hillary clinton or you are working for donald trump or you are working for donald duck, if you are a computer scientist or experience cybersecurity lawyer, who had the cybersecurity chops to know what this meant, but the worst-case scenario about
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what this would really mean in terms of our national security as a country, the responsible thing to do in that instance, is to take it to the fbi. hopefully anyone of us who came across data like this and didn't know what it meant but worried it could be something serious would take it to the fbi. that's what they tell you they do. if you see something close-up if. appearing into the fbi so the fbi can chase it. down even if it proves to be nothing. that seems like the right thing to do an understandable thing to do in this circumstance. right? special counsel appointed by bill barr, left in place during the biden administration, apparently left room to room by attorney general merrick garland is now trying to criminalize that acts see something say something, wolf you said something about donald trump will try to push in jail. joining us now is barbara mcquade. she is former u.s. attorney. barb it's great to see you. thanks for being here. you bet rachel thanks for being with you. >> we did start covering this five years ago. and never came to anything in
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terms of the substance of. this nobody ever seems to have figured out whether there is anything going on between alphabetic and the trump organization. because of, that the story sort of lingered and all of its loosens of just sort of been freighted out there in the window this time. that said, regardless of the underlying suspicions that gave rise to this is a story in the first place, what is your opinion on the strength of the legal case here? the prospect of this lawyer being indicted for having brought this stuff to the fbi? >> i guess i would withhold judgment until i actually see with the case says, and with the facts are that it is based on. we have sober reporting based on the reporting i, here i don't hear any evidence of the essential evidence of materiality. not every false statement is a crime, only the important ones, if you lie about some irrelevant detail, that does not matter, so i don't know there's evidence that he's lying at all. but even if he is about whether
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he was there on behalf of no clients or on behalf of a cyber expert, it really does not matter. when you have information about a crime the fbi takes it in a necessitate bases on its value, sometimes it seems like it is not worthy of further investigation, people call the fbi all day every day to say little green martians are interfering with my thoughts. they don't investigate those. but other cases they can take seriously they do investigate and they do vet the fact that you're representing a client are not representing a client, i don't think his material to this. i think it's especially rich in light of the fact that these investigators at the doj that are looking into the russia, in the michael flynn case dismissed that case because they found his statements were not material remember he lied to the fbi about what he said to the russian ambassador
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during the transition time if those are not material, it's really difficult to see how this omission or false statement is in any way material here. >> barb, it also strikes me, again looking at this is a non lawyer, that the statue of limitations is the end of the week. it's five-year statute of limitations on this, it appears to expire this weekend. should we read into that at all? does that suggest anything about the strength or merits of the case, given that mr. durham really does appear to be against the clock? and the fact that the details of this indictment that they are seeking appeared to have been spelled out and a lot of detail to the press? >> i don't know. you get that fit here because you get the fifth year. that time is part of it, it maybe they wanted to make sure that they taken every step. it may be that mayor garland requested a detailed review of this all the way up the chain. and that is what is taking so
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long. but it does tend to suggest that they worked very very hard and that this is all they have. which does not sound like much. i do want to reserve judgment until we see all the facts. it could be that so often happens at the first charge is not the last charge, that this is the first charge and it's an effort to tame leverage over someone to attempt to obtain their cooperation to see if there's more information that you can charge. but the statue of limitations is going to be butting up any other charges they might decide to file as well. i also think that this whole theory that the origins of the russian investigation were some political propaganda or something, that is already been dispelled. in 2019 we had the doj's inspector general issued a report that said it was probably predicated, john durham himself although he gave in his leading public statement at the time that they disagreed with the conclusions when he was pressed on that, when he said was, i think it's properly opened as a preliminary
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investigation and i would not his opened it is a full investigation. which is a really bureaucratic difference. the fact that it was probably predicated on the stolen emails that papadopoulos bragged about, it's hard to see how any of this is material even if there is a technical omission or lie here it also causes me to wonder why garland is allowing this to happen. he is the ability to pull the plug on this but again maybe there's more facts we don't know but i worry that he is so concerned about appearing to be independent and nonpartisan that he is bending over backwards to a fault. >> barbara mcquade former u.s. attorney someone who has never ever been hyperbolic in all of the conversation i've had with you and i know that's a serious thing, thanks for being here. thanks for your clarity. >> thanks rachel. >> we have much more. ahead stay with. us we have much more ahead stay with. ahead stay with. us
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night the justice department asked a federal judge to temporarily blocked the enforcement of texas's new law that essentially bans all abortions in the state. the judge tonight has just said that he will get around to deciding whether or not to grant that emergency motion, two and a half weeks from now. that's one hell decide whether or not to act on an emergency basis. in the meantime, the constitution remains suspended for texas women. joining us now is nancy northam, she's president and ceo of the center of reproductive rights, -- to up to the u.s. of supreme court, it's nice to see you, thanks for being here tonight >> thank you, and thank you so much rachel, for beginning with those stories from the preliminary junction motion, because it really shows what's been happening on the ground in the last two weeks since the law has been in effect >> what do you think of the strength of the case against the justice
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from the texas ban? and what do you make of the request for this junction against enforcing the band? it seems like the judge is obviously going to considerate. but on nobody's ideas of a quick timeline. >> well it's a very strong case that the department of justice has. it directly sued texas for violating the constitutional rights of texans. this is a clear violation of the constitution. you cannot band abortion six weeks, we have, the department of justice paper make clear 48 years of unbroken president about the right for people to make the decision for themselves. it is a strong case. and they filed their motion for preliminary junction yesterday. full of what's actually happened on the ground. when all of us to texas, back earlier this year, it was before the law went into effect. and we said these were going to be the effects that are going to happen. but now the department of justice has the actual
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testimonies about what has happened in these two weeks. and they are just heartbreaking stories. it is disappointing, that the judge is not going to hear this until the 1st of october. because as you pointed, out that is going to be a whole month that texas has been deprived of their constitutional rights. and it is just, the harm on the ground is real, and severe. >> nancy i'm interested both legally, and practically, what we are learning, and not just reporting on, it and talking with people on the field, about how the material affects here are obviously happening to texas women horse seeking abortion and can't get it. because it's effectively outlawed in the state. but also abortion providers, health care providers, in not just neighboring states that immediately about texas, but one in two years above that, where there's this ripple effect happening, starting with texas in the middle of the country. moving out to lots of other states. where abortion clinics are filling up. where people are going further and further to get access to
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care. that is affecting people's ability to access care in neighboring. states it does seem like it's having a knock on immediate effect of significant consequence, that will potentially bring other people into these sorts of cases as plaintiff's. >> yes, what is clear in the papers that will follow in the department of justice, the head of whole woman's health, amy talked about talking to her colleagues in michigan. in new york, these are long distances talking patients from -- a testimony from the clinic in oklahoma, that they now have delays. of up to three weeks. which is not the ordinary keys. because they're making rooms for the texans are coming in. so the rights of people in other states, are being violated. access in other states are getting harder. because of this deprivation of rights in texas. but i want to know, there is a really good development, which is next, week the house of representative is going to vote on the women's health of protection act. and this is legislation that
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will address what's happening in texas, what's happening in the mississippi case going to the supreme court, this is a huge and enormous step to have this vote in the house next week. >> nancy, thank you the senator of reproductive rights, thank you i appreciate for you being here. we have more ahead for us tonight thank you.
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center is the largest hospital in alaska. this is a letter that was just released to the people of alaska from the medical staff, were writing to you as the medical executive committee at -- the independent medical staff at providence. each of us is a member of the alaskan community who live work in play here. our children attend school here, at this time we feel we have an ethical obligations to be transparent with our community and share with the public distressing reality of what's happening inside the walls of our hospital our caregivers are doing their best just as they have been for the past 18 months of this pandemic, while we're doing our utmost, we are no longer able to provide the standard of care to each and
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every patient that needs our help. the acuity a number of patients exceeds our resources, and our ability to staff beds with skilled caregivers. like nurses and respiratory therapist. we've been forced within her hospital to implement crisis standards of care. what does this mean? in short we're faced with the situation in which we must prioritize scarce resources and treatments for those patients who have the potential to benefit most, we have developed policies and procedures to ration care including dialysis in office specialize vanilla tory support. people from all around alaska pre-biden us -- unfortunately, we are unable to continue to meet this need, we no longer had the staff, the space or the beds, to do this scarcity were unable to provide lifesaving care to everyone who needs. our emergency room is overflowing. patients weigh in their cars for hours to see a physician, for emergency care. on a daily basis are transferred center is unable to accept patients, people who
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need. care the korean facility is unable to provide. if you or your loved one needs specially care, a cardiologist, a trauma surgeon, or neurosurgeon, there are no more staff beds, we sadly may not have room now. the letter goes on to encourage, basically begged alaskan's to wear a mask if they're sick or exposed to someone with covid to get tested and stay home, to get vaccinated. and lastly, to avoid potentially dangerous activities and situations that may increase your risk for need for emergency service or hospital care. if you are seriously injured, it's possible there were not be a bed available and our trauma center to save your life. >> that's signed by doctor and chief of staff on the medical executive committee. the largest hospital in alaska. joining us now is a -- thanks so much for taking the time being with us tonight and thanks for letting us feature the scary situation that's happening in your hospital. i imagine this is a dramatic
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time. >> it's quite dramatic. i feel like we, it's i'm very grateful to be here, to be able to share this message more broadly. we are really struggling in our hospital. and our physicians felt the need to reach out, and really implore the community to do their part, and get vaccinated, and take really good care of themselves, so we can continue to take care of patients. >> when i describe providence alaska medical center, as the largest hospital in the state, and as a key resources for the state, can you explain more about what that means? obviously alaska is unique in terms of its geography and its spread. is providence the kind of hospital that people come to from all over the state? not only because of they might live somewhere where there's not a major hospital, but even if they live somewhere where there's a hospital, may not have the resources that providence as? >> exactly, so we are the largest hospital in the state. we accept transfers from small
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communities, and our critical asks as hospitals that are out in a little bit larger communities, patients who gets sick out there, and have a cardiology need, if they need a cardiology catherine is a shan, or any of those surgeries, if they have a stroke in need specialized neurological care, with our norah logic specialists, those people are waiting, in their communities, and are being held in ers where they are living, in order to wait for a bed to come into providence. >> once people get to providence? it just took me aback to read the description reported in the new york times today, described in your letter, of people being told to weigh in their cars, even when they come for emergency care at providence. if they can physically get to providence, to your center, and they need to get in the er, people are sometimes waiting in
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their cars for hours, even before they can be seen in the er. that just seems untenable, it seems so unlike what you might must be used to providing in terms of modern medicine exactly. none of us signed up and thought that we would be practicing in these conditions. and we do have an incredible staff, our er physicians are working as hard as we can our nurses are doing everything we. can yesterday we had ten patients in beds in the er that we're awaiting a mission. three of them were icu level care, and we didn't have an icu bed. we did not have beds for those patients. meanwhile well there there, the other patients are waiting in the waiting room in their cars to be seen. >> in their cars. it's just remarkable doctor, chief of staff of presidents alaska medical center, thank
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it for us tonight will see you again tomorrow. and once tomorrow? tomorrow's, friday eve. that. now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> good evening rachel, near governor is going to join us tonight, and i know kathy oracle, but i don't know her as well as i might. if we didn't spend more time on saturday morning he