leader who doesn't understand the roots of what it means to be an american. >> and a quick final word to you. >> i will not be going to the french embassy tonight. i wasn't invited anyway. good to keep your allies on board if you can. >> no champagne or passed hors d'oeuvres at the french embassy. thanks to you all. stephanie ruhle picks up coverage now. hi there, i am stephanie ruhle, live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. it is friday, september 17th. this morning, we have a lot going on, so let's get smarter. capitol hill bracing for the justice for j6 rally with supporters of the january 6th insurrectionists set to gather in washington, despite organizers vowing the rally will

be peaceful, dhs issuing a stark warning there could in fact be violence. also in washington, ohio republican congressman anthony gonzales, one of ten republicans that voted to impeach trump announcing he will not run for re-election in 2022. a possible sign of the hold that trump has on the party. in south carolina, murder mystery we have been following, alec murdaugh has turned himself in in connection with staging his own suicide with the death of his wife and son being investigated. and the search for missing gabby petito who disappeared after a cross country road trip with a fiance. new body cam footage could offer a clue into her disappearance. we have reporters all over the country covering the big stories of the day. i want to start with a crucial day in the fight against covid-19. the fda is holding a meeting as

we speak, critical one, on booster shots as mixed signals are flying all over the place whether people should be getting them. in florida, the state surpassed 50,000 covid deaths. only three other states passed that number. california, texas, and new york, and much of those deaths were before the vaccine was widely available. the current pandemic is by choice. out west, the situation is so bad in idaho, they declared a hospital resource crisis because of so many covid-19 patients, now allowing medical facilities to ration health care and triage patients. in california, growing criticism after the san francisco mayor london breed was seen maskless at a nightclub wednesday. mayor breed announced a city wide mandate in august requiring everyone to wear masks indoors and in public buildings, even if they were fully vaccinated,

except while actively eating and drinking. san francisco chronicle points out most patrons in the venue were also not wearing masks. live to gabe gutierrez outside pfizer headquarters in new york city. gabe, this is major. the key fda meeting on boosters has been under way for like 30 minutes. when do we expect a final say? >> reporter: hi there, stephanie. as you said, very significant meeting of the advisory panel. it is under way now. they finished roll call. these are respected experts, researchers from across the country taking a look at the central question, is the pfizer third shot safe and effective for americans 60 years of age and older. as you know, it is highly contentious in medical circles whether it is. there's conflicting information that's come out. pfizer has been citing data from israel, suggesting that it is safe. critics slammed that as being

comparatively small study, including people 18 and older only. the advisory panel will look. we expect data to be presented through the morning. in the afternoon, there will be a q and a. that's where there could be fireworks if the advisory panel votes to authorize this, the fda typically adopts recommendation of advisory panels but doesn't have to. a lot of suspense is built in separate from this. cdc advisers are set to meet next week to discuss the booster issue. as you know, the biden administration last month announced vaccine booster rollout would begin september 20th. that's monday. so far there's no consensus about what to do next, stephanie. >> we will be keeping a close watch on what we hear out of the fda. gabe, stay close. we have to turn to the nation's capital where law enforcement is on high alert preparing for the justice for j6

rally. homeland security is warning about potential for violence. want to go live to yasmin. it could be a handful. better to be safe than sorry after january 6th. what are authorities telling you? i can't hear her. we'll go back in a moment. let's go to a republican lawmaker that voted to impeach former president trump. you might not know him, i want to go to lee ann caldwell. eggs a young guy deciding not to run again, that seems odd? >> reporter: yes, it seems odd on his face, there's a lot

behind that decision of anthony gonzales. he is only going to be 37 years old this weekend, one of ten republicans that voted to impeach former president donald trump in the second impeachment process, and he is facing a difficult primary against a trump endorsed candidate, someone that used to work for the former president named max miller. he decided it is not worth it. he put out a statement last night but also gave a telling interview with "new york times" where he said in part it is also true the current state of our politics, especially many of the toxic dynamics inside our own party is a significant factor in my decision. he goes on to call the former president a cancer in the republican party and he also says that he has to weigh that with concerns of his family. he says that he doesn't like that armed security are

escorting him off an airplane, that his children and wife have to deal with that. he said he will go on to ensure the former president is never elected again. and this is very telling as far as the state of the republican party, despite the fact i was speaking with some senior house republicans the other day who were confident that gonzales could win that primary against max miller, but everyone acknowledged it would be very difficult and the trump basis rabid for the former president. >> and the former president put out a statement, remember, the president endorsed max miller to gonzales. trump basically saying no loss for the state of ohio. he was stupid on that impeachment vote. he called him a rino. let's move on. there's new reporting that president biden failed to sway west virginia senator joe manchin on the $3.5 trillion

spending plan. i know you covered this closely. biden can't get manchin on board, what's next? >> there are a couple of knew -- nuances here. i don't think there was anyone that thought he would support $3.5 trillion. he has been clear the number is way too high. i am more interested to see what number did manchin agree to, if any number at all. we are told he privately said between 1 to $2 trillion, and that's what he's indicated publicly as well. what this shows, stephanie, is the difficult negotiations that president biden, house speaker nancy pelosi and leader schumer have to go through to ensure their entire party is on board. i am told by many sources senator manchin and the arizona democrat kyrsten sinema were speaking with house moderates,

not that they're plotting anything, but they are a little of a band trading ideas, being clear about what they want and what they need out of this legislation, so now that the text of the legislation is done in the house of representatives, we're going to see highway this is amended and changed to ensure they get the support of all democrats because they need it, especially in the house. they can only lose three democrats, in the senate they can lose zero. >> leigh ann caldwell will be getting no days off for the foreseeable future. we have to leave it there. i know you'll be back. we have breaking news coming in. the paeg top military officer mark milley in first comments regarding calls placed to his chinese counterpart in the final days of the trump administration. want to bring in monica alba. what's this about? >> reporter: he is on an overseas trip, traveling with two journalists, one from

associated press and one from "the wall street journal." he gave interviews to both of them, not going into great detail defending the two calls, calling both of them perfectly appropriate within the duties and responsibilities of his job. this is what we have been reporting on all week long. revelations published in yet to be released book by bob woodward, robert costa, where they report he made calls in october and january warning chinese counterparts about potentially former president trump at the time launching some kind of attack, if that were to take place, he was going to give a warning. the pentagon and white house defended general milley, said they have confidence in him. the general said he didn't want to say too much more, he expects to be grilled about this in congress on september 28th at a hearing that was supposed to be more about the chaotic afghanistan withdrawal, but he imagines now there will be great focus on this.

he said he is prepared to answer any questions lawmakers may have, and the other key element to all this, the january 6th select committee looking at all of the issues around the insurrection has already requested more information on this, so this is certainly going to be an evolving story. bottom line, the president, commander in chief says he has complete confidence in the four star general who is saying everything he did in terms of that reporting was appropriate. >> thank you so much. we also have this morning special counsel appointed by former president trump's justice department to investigate the russia investigation. john durham now charged a prominent democratic lawyer. ken delanian is on this story. who is charged and with what? >> michael sussman is a prominent cyber security lawyer that represented the democrats, including the hillary clinton campaign. five years ago he met with a top

fbi lawyer to pass on internet data some researchers showed could be a secret communication channel between the trump organization and major russian bank. the fbi investigated and debunked this theory. now john durham, special counsel appointed by william barr, secured an indictment on a single felony count of lying to the fbi. prosecutors say sussman told the fbi lawyer he was not at the meeting on behalf of a client when in fact he was representing the clinton campaign and a trump opposing technology executive. sussman's lawyers are pushing back hard. they deny he was representing clinton, but say even if he was, the lie was not material. legal speak for it didn't matter. the fbi was going to investigate this anyway. in a statement to nbc news, they say the case is incredibly thin based on, quote, an oral statement allegedly made five years ago to a single witness unrecorded and unobserved by anybody else, and say the doj would ordinarily bring a

baseless case. worth noting that sussman's lawyers urged the attorney general merrick garland to block the indictment, he declined to do so. also important to point out, this is only the second criminal case john durham brought in his investigation of the investigation, which lasted longer than the russia probe. donald trump and william barr promised durham would expose huge corruption but he hasn't done that. he brought two minor cases against lawyers very few people have heard of. meanwhile, a bipartisan thousand page senate report found that trump campaign repeated contacts with russian spies posed a grave threat to national security. >> important story. ken delanian, thank you so much. we'll leave it there. coming up, two disturbing, unbelievable stories. growing search for gabby petito who went missing after a cross country road trip with her fiance. new footage police are zeroing in on and prominent, formerly

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tomorrow's rallies. i think we fixed your audio. can you hear us? >> reporter: i can hear you, steph. we had some tech issues there. what are authorities telling you?

>> if only this barricade was up january 6th, you remember my coverage. look at the barricade now ahead of the j6 rally. 8 foot fencing, behind that, cement barricade in front of the capitol. no one can get past this. swing around here so i can show steph what's going on. you look behind this area of water, you see that fencing there, the reflecting pool. that fencing is where the rally is going to take place. justice for j6 tomorrow noon to 1:30 in the afternoon. matt brainard, former trump operative saying this will be peaceful as he says. he believes people are being held unjust phiably, insurrectionists that stormed the capitol hill january 6, haven't necessarily been charged. here's the truth, they're not necessarily being held unnecessarily. that's because many of them have been charged for breaching capitol grounds, many in charge. that being said, 700 or so

people are expected to be here. authorities don't know. they're taking all precautions necessary to make sure everybody stays safe. no congress members, no members of congress or senate will be inside the building tomorrow in the rally. >> yasmin, thank you. stay safe where you are. now the fate of a new york woman. gabby petito last seep in the midst of a cross country trip with brian laundrie. body cam video showed police called in after they had a fight in mid august. petito's family heard from her late last month, days before the fiance showed up back home in florida without her. nbc'ser in mclaughlin has more. >> reporter: police say they're using every forensic tool to find gabby, a search that spans multiple states. there are more questions than answers.

the man authorities say could help is staying quiet. >> this girl here, this is what matters. that's it. anything else becomes second to this. >> reporter: the desperate father of gabby petito appealing to the country for help as authorities struggle to find her. the 22-year-old's cell phone could be a key source of information. why is it difficult to find her especially if she had a cell phone? >> how long did she have the cell phone, when did she have it. all those things need to be solidified. >> have you found her cell phone? >> we have not. >> reporter: her mom said she last spoke to her daughter in late august when she was in grand titon national park. police say the potential search area stretches all the way to florida where her fiance brian laundrie returned home september 1st without gabby. >> part of our investigation is the potential that something criminal did happen.

>> reporter: they chronicled the adventure. >> outside the reef. >> reporter: seemingly a happy couple, but body cam footage paints a different picture. gabby visibly upset, stopped by officers in utah after called to report of domestic violence and identified brian as a victim. after brian asked police not to press charges, they let the two go with the condition the couple spend the night apart. police say they're in early stages of the investigation and they're not ruling out possible link between gabby's case and potential double homicide. bodies of the newlywed couple in utah not far from where the fight took place. according to authorities, no definitive link at this time.

his sister telling abc news me and the family want her found safe, she's like a sister, we want her to come home safe and sound and to be a misunderstanding. >> reporter: brian refuses to talk to authorities on advice of his lawyer who says intimate partners are often the first person law enforcement focuses their attention on in cases like this. thursday, gabby's family appealing for help. saying as a parent, how could you let us go through this pain and not help us. all we want is gabby to come home. >> reporter: this is a massive search. the fbi denver tweeted they're involved in the investigation saying gabby and brian were visiting national parks in colorado, utah, wyoming, which is why authorities say it is important that brian helps.

stephanie? a dream trip that turned into a nightmare. alec he tried to commit suicide to collect insurance money is facing multiple charges, including insurance fraud. katie beck was in the courtroom when he was brought in yesterday. >> reporter: state investigators say charges are just a first step as they continue to move forward in several other investigations tied to the family name. this morning, the first glimpse of alec myrrh dog, his wrists and ankles shackled. the 53-year-old charged with insurance fraud, conspiracy to commit insurance fraud, and filing a false police report. >> only violence she has been involved in was this.

>> reporter: law enforcement says he enlisted a former client to shoot and kill him so his son could collect payment on a $10 million life insurance policy. 61-year-old smith appearing at his own bond hearing thursday, charged with several counts, including assisting a person with committing suicide and insurance misrepresentation. the failed suicide for hire plot left him hospitalized with what law enforcement described as superficial gunshot wound to the head. his attorneys say their client believed ending his life was his only option, blaming his unraveling on opioid addiction and impact of unsolved murders on his wife and son. in court, there were no signs of injury. at points, he was visibly shaken, appeared to cry at the mention of his wife and son's murders. he is now in a drug rehab

facility out on $20,000 bond. >> he is not a danger to the community. only person he is a danger to is himself. >> reporter: the family founded law firm where he recently resigned put out a statement in response to his arrest saying that alec murdock is not tied to the firm in any manner. any further questions should be directed toward police. >> thank you. speaking of gun violence, take a step back, look at the big picture of shootings across america. in the last 72 hours, there were more than 200 nationwide, killing 89 people, injuring 201 more. many happened in states with big cities like new york, texas, maryland. out of 26 illinois shootings, chicago saw at least 19 of them in the last three days. so far this year, the united states has seen 31,000 gun violence deaths and 29,000 injuries. higher on average than all of 2020, and much of the past decade. we can do better and we need to do more to protect our

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an escalation in the fight on vaccines and mandates. president biden is pushing a mandate that covers two-thirds of private sector workers. they're now saying they'll sue if he doesn't change course. gabe gutierrez has more. >> reporter: from florida to arizona to new york vaccine mandate legal challenges are mounting. >> yes, there will be some individuals who will try to defy this, there will be court decisions that we'll appeal. >> reporter: a federal judge temporarily halted a vaccine mandate for health care workers in the state, claiming religious exemption after some of them sued. but the president is doubling down on the plan to require all private businesses with more than 100 employees to mandate covid vaccines or weekly testing. >> these policies are what

science tells us we need to do. they're goings to save lives. >> reporter: los angeles county will require proof of vaccination or negative covid test at indoor bars, clubs, wineries. >> i am not anti-vax. to not be given the option when sending children to school and going to businesses, going to establishments, going to entertainment seems crazy. >> reporter: there's strong precedent for vaccine mandates, and emergency powers given to osha. court battles are likely. still in some parts of the country enforcing mandates of any kind seems daunting, especially as schools reopen. >> you right there, you clown. >> reporter: in council bluffs, police were called to a school board meeting. parents in protest over the decision to mandate masks. in new york, some restaurants

with low vaccination rates are struggling. >> i don't think anyone should be segregated where they can eat. >> reporter: do you think it should be the job of small business owners to police vaccine mandates? >> i don't think it should be the job of the business owner but there is no other way, i think. >> you don't have to get vaccinated, you can wear a mask and get tested twice a week. here's the thing. a lot of state leaders hate the mandate, you know who loves it? big business, the ones that are facing it. we heard from the president earlier this week, quoting from goldman, sachs and moodies to make his case why it will help business, grow the economy, kep people safe, the thing republicans are typically all over. the president's speech was anything but. here's the simple truth. for a long time, economies were

great for those at the top. ordinary hard working americans, people that built this country, have been basically cut out of the deal. >> i want to bring in former new york congressman steve israel with cornell university and brandon buck who worked for two former house speakers. take me to the rich republican donor base, big businessmen and women. big business overwhelmingly support vaccine mandates, good for health and safety, good for the economy. what's the reaction when they see republican governor after republican governor say they'll do everything, go to the gates of hell to block the mandates? >> i don't dispute at all that big business loves this. they want to get out of the pandemic, the way out is vaccines. i think they love this, would love to have that. there are real issues we shouldn't breeze past, whether a president should have this authority to do anything. the way i look at this as a

political observer is joe biden set the trap for republicans and republicans have walked right into it. joe biden would love republicans to be the anti-vax party. be the party of guys thrown off planes because they won't wear masks. republicans would do well if they would spend a little more time talking about importance of getting vaccinated. look, we have lost the house, senate, white house, largely because we lost educate suburban voters. if we continue to be so captive to the base that demands things like this, wants to talk about freedom and i understand that, we'll continue to be a minority party if we don't wake up an act more responsible. i think republicans across the country are catering to the base once again which is all we have been doing for several years now. >> steve, there's push back on the fringe, conservative media loves to talk about the push back, even though the same media companies, i.e., fox news, have

the vaccine mandate. but are these mandates one place where biden is getting a lot of support from both sides of the aisle? >> no, not from both sides of the aisle unfortunately. look, the american public supports mandates, over 70% of the american supports vaccines and masks. i want to pick up on something brendan said that's important. we are watching dem lugs from a probusiness country club base to a fringe trump base. we have two political parties in the country, steph. we have the responsibility party which makes decisions based on rationality and evidence, and the irresponsibility party which makes decisions based on intuition, fear, and conspiracy. and ultimately, the republican party will have to make a decision, does it want to continue down this path and be left with an entirely fringe element or does it want to

govern responsibly. >> steve, i want to turn and talk about the president's economic speech yesterday. listen, he made it clear and look at the $3.5 trillion package, they're looking to support the majority of americans. he said listen, i am a capitalist. people make a lot of money, great. just pay your taxes. here's the thing. still not all of it is paid for. there's not elizabeth warren's wealth tax, carried interest, which is the biggest give away to private equity industry is still in our tax code. when you look at that, it sure looks like democrats are saying yes, we want more supports to help the bottom, but at the top, we're going to hook up the rich. is that the case? >> in fairness to president biden, if he had a huge democratic majority in the house and huge democratic majority in the senate to work with, he could probably get those things done. we had an election in 2020. we have a democratic president.

we also have very moderate and conservative democrats in the house and senate. i still rather have them than have that fringe trump republican base in the house and senate. so a president has to work with what he's got. what this president has is a three vote majority in the house and one vote majority in the senate. >> is that it, brendan, you know who wins every time? super rich donors. that's the only explanation for carried interest. >> perhaps. i think what you're articulating is a fight in the democratic party. i think democratic leadership has done a poor job bringing members along. they threw out $3.5 trillion in tax increases in the past week and left a lot of members frankly scrambling. i know the president went out and tried to clean it up, but they put out the entire plan. there's all kinds of stuff they

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right now, capitol hill is a fortress again ahead of potentially violent rally scheduled tomorrow. justice for j6 rally will be in the same spot they stormed the capitol. they expect about 700 to show up. it is not just about d.c. they're bracing for similar rallies across the country with 13 set to have their own tomorrow as well. it comes after former president trump said he sides with the january 6 rioters charged with crimes. how worried should we be, and far beyond tomorrow. joining us, the former assistant director for counter intelligence at the fbi and also retired army sergeant christopher goldsmith, intelligence, extremism, disinformation analyst. we see the fence is up, there's more protection. we know many extremists are

saying don't go, we're not going to make this thing very big. there's also a risk it will be in many other cities across the country. how worried are you for tomorrow? >> i think d.c. is completely under control, frankly this is a good dry run. this is not the same people who made january 6th a big deal. all the people behind the stop the steal movement haven't invested in this. this is less. if 700 people were to show up, it would be something between 13 to 20 times the size of the crowd this particular organizer has ever assembled before. while he is bilking millions for this d.c. event, what's threatening tomorrow is the white extremist organizations that will be sending members out to capitals around the country,

state capitals and city halls to protest resettlement of afghan refugees, which is in direct conflict with the veteran organizations with groups like evacuate our allies, the task force pineapple, team america who have been working so hard to make sure our afghan allies get settled here safely in the u.s. >> yet they consider themselves aligned with the notion of law and order. frank, what are your concerns about tomorrow? >> there's three things to look for, stephanie. first, look at the numbers. if people don't show up in large numbers, we have a signal here. the deep dissidents, people aren't showing up to support accused criminals for january 6th. good news. second, look for presence or not

of violent domestic groups. no proud boys, 3%ers show up. right now, looks like they will not go, they're afraid of arrest, afraid it is a government trap. and lastly, who takes the podium and what they say. i will be listening for radicalizing rhetoric, whether they continue to incite a base, claim protesters were not rioters or insurrectionists, held unfairly. here's the chief concern. christopher alluded to it. tomorrow and the next weekend we'll see rallies across america in places big and small, like hartford, connecticut. people need to be vigilant, aware as they do errands tomorrow. are they going to run into one of these rallies. going local is something the proud boys are really talking about. >> chris, has movement or the mission strengthened or weakened since january 6th? i haven't seen too much reporting on any of those

participants having said you know what, i have seen the error of my ways, i realize much of what i followed was conspiracy theory. seems like they're digging in and former president trump showing tacit support again, are they more energized? >> vast majority of republicans believe falsely that joe biden somehow fraudulently won the election. so the movement is growing and it is taking over the entire republican party. a lot of people make what i feel are inappropriate illusions, but this is the republican party surgery from a cancer that has metastasized and it has taken over. too late to separate proud boys from the republicans, justice for january 6th folks from members of congress. while no member of congress is confirming yet so far to be

speaking tomorrow in d.c., next weekend around the country there are members of congress that will be sharing the stage with known violent extremists with anti-semitic, xenophobic, terrible things. and none of them paid a cost, with with the exception of maybe paul gosar who has been kind of sidelined by the mainstream republican party. we have people sitting on important committees. republicans who share their views, share stages with white extremists who talk about violently storming not just the d.c. capital but city halls around the country doing ambushes of local government, worse, who are running for local government after they intimidate people to leave things like school boards, board of supervisors for towns and counties around the country.

what we're seeing is the beginning. january 6th was terrible. being a new yorker, it felt like september 11. being an analyst, i was watching from the insurrectionist point of view. they live streamed the whole thing. we have only seen the beginning. this is a long term problem. thankfully, law enforcement and the media have taken it seriously since january 6th. that's why we're not going to see anybody but a few dozen, maybe a little over 100 like the biggest losers, most disconnected people that show up outside the capital in d.c. >> pack of losers in a nation of winners. we have to keep being good people every day. extraordinary, that was a tough conversation. coming up, one of the main players behind the gamestop trading craze is now in hot

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in this moment and yes, you're going to write a book. there's going to be movies about it or is this mania here to stay? >> i really think it's here to stay. i think it's the beginning of a revolution, social media is an enormous amount of power to regular people sitting on their couches and this was the first strike and i think something you'll see over and over again as the meme stocks happen again and again and again. >> a revolution but how about regulation, when we're seeing this move, this fine to mass mutual, what else could happen? mass mutual got the fine, that's what happens when you have a regulated institution, you have rules to follow. in the wild world of reddit, they have no rules. >> it is the wild west and kind of amazing. what we're seeing happen is that the fundamentals are no longer tethered to the stock price, the stock price is whatever the people decide it is and so the question is, can regulators harness what is unharnessable, the idea that millions and millions of people gathered

together can actually move markets is something that i'm not sure you can regulate away. >> just because they can doesn't mean they should, right? think about what's happened with penny stocks, think about what happened with pump-a-dumps. you can drive the stock up, get everybody to buy it and sell it and they all lose but that's illegal. could that be what's going to happen next or is this new movement truly the future? if so, the world of risk management, i don't know how you manage said risk. >> well, this really was organic. it wasn't the thing keith gill was sitting in his basement telling everyone do this. he fell in love with the stock and started shouting it to the world and lots of people had this bubbling anger towards wall street which they felt had been going after them and doing things like shorting companies that they loved over and over again and found a way to strike back so i see it more as an

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as we come on the air the fda advisory panel right now debating the case for booster shots with a key vote expected really within a matter of hours and millions of doses in doctor's offices around the country ready for the rollout. the biden administration's been planning to kick off next week. the latest from inside that meeting with our top reporters and experts standing by live. plus, breaking just this morning, joint chiefs of staff chair mark milley for the first time defending the calls he made to his counterpart in china near the end of president trump's time in office, the former president. what he's saying and when he'll say more. and in washington an update expected today on the security preps for tomorrow's so-called justice for january 6th rally. the expectations, the tensions, and the toll it's taking o