the election on january the 6th. in a sense heights like they celebrate the confederacy. dubbed justice for j 6 a title made from a lie created by pa far-right group called look ahead america. and many of the same racist and anti-american and anti-democracy far-right groups congregated petition capitol, breached the capitol are back again. in a statement the organizers say the rally is call out the quote, teernicle and inhumane treatment of the political prisoners that's how they describe the people describing people vitamin violently assaulted the capitol. tom manager to a who taq took the position of police chief in july. says there has been chatter. the security fencing erected outside the capitol after the

attack and taken down in late july is back again today. and 100 unarmed national guard members are right now stationed at the d.c. armory ready to deploy if necessary. the insurrectionist's former president who has taken to calling the rally a setup couldn't help himself from releasing a statement in support of the suspects. the suspects that many would argue he incited to go to the capital back in january, quote our hearts and minds are the people being persecuted unfairly. that's what trump said. adding in addition to everything else it's proven conclusively that we are a two-tiered system of justice. whatever that means. in the end justice will previously. notice the exclamation point. and in that last respect he might be right but in not in the way he thinks. the january 6th suspects are plovg through the system. seven have been sentenced. yesterday a california woman was sentenced to probation but not before she told the court that the insurrection was a quote unique experience and that she had never been to a similar event as if it's the kind of

event you just buy tickets for at the weekend. and the fourth person affiliated with the racist far-right growth the oath keepers pleaded guilty guilty to conspiracy and other charges related to january 6th. joining me live at the capitol, nbc correspondent garrett haake yasnin there are now 100 unarmed national guard members on stand by. what is the situation on the ground? what are the expectations for the rest of the day. >> i've been covering the lead up to the rally for the last couple weeks and been on this corner since 5:30 this morning. i've not seen a law enforcement presence like this anywhere near the capitol since the aftermath of january 6th or inauguration. there is an overwhelming number of police from the capitol police, d.c. local police, virginia and maryland jurisdictions here. and just the fence but anti-vik

barriers large trucks blocking intersections. they are really taking a very muscular approach to making sure violence doesn't happen at the rally itself or out in the streets of d.c. mixing it up with counter protesters. and i can tell you there is kind of two overlapping sets of politics contributing. first on the right you've not seen any elected republicans sign up to speak at this rally like you had at the stop the steal rallies on january 6th. there is only a couple of republican candidates speaking. the guest list lacks the big figures on the far right that might otherwise draw out a larger crowd. and the other political element to this is with the two new chiefs of police involved, d.c. police have a new permanent chief they didn't have. he was the acting chief january 6th. and the capitol police has a new chief. neither of those want to set any kind of precedent that this kind of event could lead to violence on their watch. so i think we are seeing the aggressive police response

hoping to send a message and give officers a chance to practice what could potentially be the new normal in the face of possible future political violence here. >> yeah, and some might look at the presence and say this is an overreaction, but given january 6th i guess some might say can can you proclaim them yasmin you spoke with the organizer of the rally, a former trump campaign official. what did you learn. >> reporter: it's interesting, mehdi, i want to show you before i get to the matt brainard. because i want to show you what he had to say. i want to show you first a little bit of what garrett was talking about. the security presence is so incredibly intense and having been out here on january 6th i can't help but think this is exactly what should have been here on january 6th and was not and is one of the reasons why thousands of people ended up breaching and storming the capitol. walk with me a little bit as we make our way. this is union square.

i'm a little ways away from where garrett was reporting. the area where the rally is taking place starting around noon. you see the gated barrier. can't get beyond that. then the reflecting pool. beyond that you got another 8-foot barrier fence that then leads up to the capitol. if we swing around here about at a 180-degree swing you see all the dump trucks lined up here. i was here yesterday reporting on this as well. none of this was here. all this rolled in throughout the day to make sure they have as much security in place. as garrett said a and as you mentioned, the capitol police department don't want to be caught flat footed as they were on january 6th. i spoke to matt bray arnd, the organizer of the rally. a former trump operate oev worked for cory lewandowski. work for donald trump back in 2015. here is some of what he had say about his intentions for today.

>> condemn those who engage in violence but individuals who did not, simply in the wrong place at the wrong time are being unjustly% cuted. >> who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. >> the vast majority of the hundreds arrested who have not been charged with violence. >> people unlawfully stormed the capitol. >> sformg is the characterization that's your zakaria characterization in many cases they walked through a door held open by a capitol police officer. >> and heren, mehdi wrb lies the big issue with all this, is the fact that he came back at me and i said i was characterizing this as storming the capitol. we sat here and watched what took place january 6th. that's a fact. the insurrectionists stormed the capital. matt brainard characterized as people walked in peacefully. doors held open. welcomed to the capitol grounds. that's not what happened. yet the rally taking place today. so i think it's pretty much a

wait and see as to what is actually going to develop throughout the day. but the security measures obviously here in place no matter what happens. >> yasmin they never wanted us to believe our own lying eyes. you see that in the interview. thank you both for your reporting this morning. appreciate it. you can catch the reporting throughout the date here on msnbc and also from 3:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m. on her reports. the washington psz's carolyn leonnig author of several important best sellers, including a very stable genius. zero fail and i alone can fix it. donald trump's final catastrophic year. carol, good morning to you. starting by asking you. you spent time with donald trump in his post-presidency. you went to mar-a-lago for the book. you sat with him, listened to him rant and rave.

is what's happening today in d.c., is that a direct consequence of what donald trump has been ranting and raving about for the past months? >> well mehdi, it's absolutely a contributing factor. i don't know we can sigh say it's the number one reason. but the former president donald trump is the person singing this chorus. he is the person most dominantly insisting that as you said we can't believe our lying eyes. january 6th was peaceful. the protesters walked into doors the capitol police were warmly opening for them. there was kissing and hugging. these are the words that donald trump used in describing january 6th to me and to my co-author phil ip rucker. when we went to interview him in march he was living kind of an in an alternate reality in which his protesters were just doing sort of god's work and were doing it with open hearts and no

violence. and, of course, we all know the violence that was involved. every single person who stormed the capitol, yasmin is correct it was a storming -- every person who trudged through there, a large number were shoving police to get there. that's an assault on a law enforcement officer. they were shoving police baccardax. many armed with climbing gear, batons, flag poles, bear spray, chemical spray. these -- these are not moments of peaceful protests or hugging and kissing. >> no, indeed. and in terms of preventing something like this from happening again today, we heard from garrett and yasmin about the preparations at capitol hill. our latest piece on "the washington post" dives into the security that's been put in place for the rally today, specifically how the new capitol police chief initially wanted i believe the hundred national

guard members on stand by today to be armed? >> that's absolutely right. this goes to the heart of what we've been discussing this morning with your great correspondent. and that is the police chief of the u.s. capitol police does not want anything like a replay of january 6th. now, there is nothing to indicate that the size and veracity and momentum that brought us january 6th is going to unfold this morning. in saturday at the capitol. it's a very different tableau, fewer people, less viralens. and no president giving a rally at the ellipsis telling people to go up to the capitol and fight like hell for their country >> yes. >> so all of those things are missing. we don't expect what happened january 6th to happen here. however, the police chief wanted the best possible preparations for the worst possible outcome. and in order to do that there is

a fence. there is a callout for 1,500 additional law enforcement officers from the d.c. police and local surrounding police forces. and in addition to that the police chief asked for armed national guard. and what happened was his boss, karen gibson, the sergeant-at-arms, the senate sergeant-at-arms who chairs the board who overseas the police chief rejected that request, asked him to withdraw it and said it hadn't been properly, quote unquote coordinated with the pentagon. the pentagon wasn't interested in interesting national guard armed and ultimately the chief retracted that request, resubmitted a in new one with no armed national guard. neck have batons but not lethal force. >> we can only hope and pray that no one even needs the batons let alone lethal force. “washington post” report reporter and msnbc contributor carol leonnig thank you for your time this morning.

appreciate it. >> of course. joining me now democratic representative stacey plastic for the u.s. victimen islands, a member of multiple committees including ways and means and government oversight and reform and served as a impeachment manager at the second impeachment trial of donald trump. representative plaskett thanks so much this morning. let's start with the second trial directly in response to the insurrection. a lot of republicans voting against convicting the former president said we don't need to do this let's move on. and here we are eight, nine months later. their party has not moved on. the rally may not feature lawmakers. but lawmakers are saying a lot of the same stuff that the rally goers are saying about political prisoners, et cetera. >> it's so true. thank you so much for having me. good morning to you. and first let me say that so many of the members of congress democratic members are praying

for the safety of the officers who protect us at the capitol today. those staff there today. we -- our prayers and we had -- they have our support. if not the support of my republican colleagues. who as you said, are the ones fomenting these kinds of activities by their silence, by supporting individuals who are, you know, a rally if you can believe it to support criminal suspects, domestic terrorists, ant anti-sem itists. and because they are emboldens because there has not been an enormous crackdown on them and the one who foments them the most, donald trump. >> how much danger do you think the united states will be in if donald trump were to run again? because right now he seems to cause a fair deal of harm and

chaos while sitting in his hotels? what happens if he runs again and -- right now he is formally running the pert. he is formerly in charge of one of two american political parties. praising political prisoners. sending letters to the secretary of state in georgia saying he should be reinstated. i don't know if we as a country are prepared for that. >> right. of course he is acting now as the titular head of the republican party and individuals like kevin mccarthy, lindsey graham and others are taking orders directly from him. an individual who didn't have the respect of our country to be at the events of 9/11, the commemorations a week ago. but this is someone who is running their party. if he does become their nominee for president in 2024 you can be assured he will use that platform to continue to incite

individuals. but it's hope that good merngs will come to the polls in greater numbers despite voter suppression, despite the efforts of the republican party to keep the voices of americans down, to stamp him and that party out once and for all. and hopefully from the ashes a new republican party -- a opposition party to mine can arise that is focused not necessarily in the same methods but to the best interests of the american people. >> i admire your sentiment and optimism. i don't see any of that happening. but i hope you're right and i'm wrong. >> we have to have faith. >> we do. we do have to do that. we'd love to with fingers and toes crossed. >> we can trust us black women we'll get him out again. >> the problem is minority rule.

creating a system allowing to carry on governing even without majority support. that requires for colleagues in the senate to get a voting bill through. a source of great pain for me. i want to talk about afghanistan. quick question on afghanistan, which is drone strike, august 28th didn't kill members of isis-k. the american government ordered a drone strike killing 10 civilians. the head of the military called it a mistake. that doesn't mean much to the families of those killed. doesn't there need to be accountability. >> there does need to be accountability. i heard you earlier with my colleague madeline dean discussing the fact that congress does need to have not just have oversight over this exercise but over the drone operations within our military. >> yes. >> and we can be assured they're going to do that. one of the things i want to

point out is how wonderful it is that we are now in an administration who will openly be transparent and admit when they have made mistakes. who are willing to come to the american people and say that something went wrong and that they are going to correct it. as opposed to the previous administration under donald trump who won be willing to say that and continue to perpetuate lies. >> just to be clear, they initially didn't say it was a mistake. they said the guy may have had explosives. it was journalism done by "the new york times" and "the washington post" and others that forced the administration then to acknowledge what we knew. >> but you can be assured in the trump kmrgs they have have continued to perpetuate a lie that the journalists were not telling the truth. >> that's true. that's true. but i think what we need to do as you said earlier and we'll end on this note of agreement, that there needs to be a congressional investigation of the drone program of civilian casualties whether a republican or democratic president. representative stacey plaskett of the u.s. victimen islands

thank you for your time this morning. >> thank you have a good one. you too. coming up on "velshi," biden's booster battle, a major decision for the fda on the third covid jab could sideline the president's covid-19 plan, and high alert in d.c., 700 expected to gather in support of jailed insurrectionists. let's see if they show. but we have everything you need to to know about the awful rally taking place in d.c. then one small step for man, one giant leap for billionaires, the first ever civilian space flight wraps up the last orbit around the earth. countdown to splashdown coming up next. splashdown coming up next. instead of burning our past for power, we can harness the energy of the tiny electron. we can create new ways to connect. rethinking how we communicate to be more inclusive than ever. with app, cloud and anywhere workspace solutions,

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in just a few hours the first of its kind commercial space flight will be returning to earth. later this evening, four civilian passengers aboard the kpas x history being the inspiration 4 dragon will someplace down in the atlantic ocean off the coast of florida after making dozens of trips around the earth. the rock lifted off just after 8 "p" eastern time on wednesday and promoters of the space flight say it wasn't just another small step for space obsessed billionaire it raised billions for cancer research. candice gibb is near there. what's the atmosphere like out

there. >> i'll tell you, mehdi, it's exciting pep they have done a lot to excite excite people about space. not only what's possible but who could go to space. it's the latest in the billionaire space raise but with a twist. you have a number of firsts onboard this vessel right now. the first all-civilian space crew of course. the first black woman to pilot a space vessel into space on the drag. that is sian porter. in hayley porter you have the first cancer survivor and the first prosthetic body part and the youngest american to make it to space. overnight we got to see them in action since the first time of the historic launch on wednesday evening. they've been doing art rk, playing music. they told us they like the space

pizza. which sounded a little weird. that they have done a lot also you mentioned to raise money for st. jude over the time. and they're going to wrap it up later on this evening with the splashdown now expected 7:00 p.m. eastern time in the atlantic ocean, a first for a spacex dragon capsule. usually theyed land or splash down in the gulf of mexico. and earlier you may have seen, i was talking with victor glover abnasa astronaut who has flown on the dragon itself. i asked him what will this team of civilians experience as they re-enter earth's atmosphere. >> we'll see it go go dark at about the time when maximum heating rks whens lights went off the inside of the capsule glowed orange and pink that was amazing to see the flames outside were lighting up the inside of the vehicle. after that the g drops off at 2 gs as the g comes down the seats move to the landing position and

then they will prepare for the chutes come out and the main chutes come out. and they'll prepare for splashdown and touchdown this time instead of gulf of mexico in the atlantic ocean for the first time with crew. it was a nice touchdown. i wish them calm seas and gate weather out there. >> it will be an amazing sight to see. they have already lowered -- the dragon already fired off a couple of burns to get to lower altitude so it can be a smooth reentry into the earth's atmosphere but it was funded by jared isaacman who invented online payment system. he did it not to self-fund his trip to space but also doing something for the better and they're trying to raise some $200 million for st. jude in the

meantime. mehdi. >> kendis thank you for the reporting. sounds like a fascinating day. appreciate it. coming up, the capitol braces for another far-right rally. hundreds expected to gather in support of jailed january 6th insurrectionist. in support of them. everything you need to know, next. everything uryou need to know, next hi mr. charles, we made you dinner. ahh, thank you! ready to eat? yes i am! this is a cold call! this is annie. will you turn to cold washing in tide. unsubscribe. wait, wait, wait this helps the environment. it saves you money. i will take that money. for the environment.

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right now d.c. is on high alert just hours away from another far-right rally at the capitol. the rally is in protest against the criminal cases -- against rioters charged in the january 6th insurrection. it's in favor of the rioters. that's what the rally is for. the department of homeland security warned ever violence. but the they say they have a security plan in place. trump's big lie fueled the original riot as the failed former president spent the weeks after the election trying scheme after scheme to hold the presidency despite having clearly lost. even now months later we continue to learn details that show how dangerously close he was to succeeding and who else was in on it. bob woodard and robert costa's new book due out tuesday dispeld the previously conventional zlt wisdom that pib mike pences with a voice of reason and tried to thwart the attempts to undermine the certification of the

election. the two reports were that pence did everything he could and then some to try and overturn the election on his before. joining me know a counterterrorism adviser to then vice-president pence now the director of the republican accountability project. good morning, olivia. what do you make of this in my none of the republican members of congress though up today. on the other hand it's organized by a former trump aide and donald trump has given his blessing with a statement this week. >> good morning, mehdi. well, you know, i think what's the greater danger here when it comes to the rally is the message that the rally is sending to americans across the country. >> yes. >> and that message is the, you know, if you commit an act of violence or an act of domestic terrorism, which is what january 6th was that trump and his supporter will have your back. and secondly, not only does

trump and supporters have your back but republican elected officials in congress, many of them, also will have your back. imprisoning that's a dangerous precedent to be set something right now and a message that you're sending right now in terms of setting the baseline for people to feel empowered and emboldened to commit the acts. and injury it's really dangerous? i think we're going to see more events. and so i think there are security precautions in place today that should have been put in place for january 6th and preparation for it. so i'm hopeful if there is small pockets of violence, i think capitol police are prepared. and they have people that are -- the support mechanism that will come forward to protect them and others. but i think that the tone of this rally and what we're saying, celebrating insurrectionists, celebrating domestic terrorists, i think is a very dangerous precedent to set. >> yes, it is, very, very dangerous, indeed. just returning to the run up to

january the 6th, the bombshell claims made in the book peril from woodard and costa i mentioned mentioned how former vice-president dan quail had to tell mike pence to forget about not counting the votes or undermining the process. he had no flexibility, no authority when it came to derailing the certification process as donald trump wanted him to. if dan quale is gifting you dwiz on saving democracy, you are in a very dark place, are you not? >> yes, and i'm just -- we're lucky. we're lucky mike pence at the end of the day went in and did his job and certified the election results. but, you know, mike pence could have been a hero at the end of the day, not that day for just doing his job. but he could have actually walked away after that day and after january 6th and started telling americans the truth, this was all a big sham, that this is a big lie. and that's how you become a

hero. you don't become a hero just by carrying your role and responsibility on something that you actually have no power to actually, you know, do. you don't have the power as vice-president to overturn an election. >> yeah, and not only did he not become a hero. he now wants to run for president, we think, judging by some activities this week in terms of donors and hiring staff. the idea that mike pence is going to run for president for the party that was chanting some of his members were chanting hang mike pence seems bizarre. one last question. republican anthony gonzalez voted to impeach donald trump. he was one of a tiny group. he cites the parties tox iks dynamics. you run the republican accountability party how do you say to the republican party when the few willing to stand up against rump at the end are now ditching the party too? well, we'll continue to support those hanging in there.

but i respect representative gonzalez's decision. i also respect the fact that he is coming forward and speaking truthfully about what is happening here in the republican party, because there is a whole population out there that really needs to hear it from people like him. i think it's a sad day for honestly for american politics and our democracy to have him step down, because we need these more moderate, less extreme republicans to be in office. you know, it's better for america to have two functioning parties instead of what we have right now, which is basically a functioning democratic party and a republican party whose platform is basically pro death and lying. that's really the republican platform right now. and i think representative gonzalez is saying, you know, if i were to win the election against this other insane candidate, toipt i don't want to be a part of this. >> you summed it up well. the party that's pro death and pro lying, so depressing. olivia troy, all appreciate your

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what are you covering today from the capitol. >> always good to share the skeeno screen with you, mehdi. we are doing a deep dive for viewers on extremism and domestic terrorism in various forms. i know a lot of people are focused on the marchers today. but they're not the most dangerous. it's the policy. week we'll look at how it crops up in policy voting rights to housing and infrastructure and even hrveg, mehdi. you have to notice how social media and the online hate groups fueled the groups leading to deadly outcomes we saw on january 6th. we have a former capitol police officer, a security guard attacked by trump supporters. she will join me talking about her experiences and we'll bring on jauquin castro. he is weighing in on the january th investigation committee. the people aligned with this justice march suggests nothing happened that was dangerous. but we believe our ears and eyes. and we see the damage caused,

the five lives that this insurrection cost. so we want to remind our audience exactly what happened on that day as well. so it's a packed two hours on the cross-connection, mehdi. i appreciate you sharing the screen with me this morning to put context on all this on msnbc. >> tiffany, always a pleasure. and it sounds packed. but i'm glad because we need to dive deep into the horrific situation we have in america today. this didn't come out of nowhere. i'm glad that's what you're doing. >> that's right. >> everyone stay tuned for more on the cross connection after "velshi" at 10:00 a.m. eastern. tiffany mentioned social media. we know about the role donald trump played in the misinformation fueling the big lie in today's far-right rally. what about mark zuckerberg? what role has he played? we'll go into that next right here on "velshi." don't go away. t right here on "velshi. don't go away. arted waters, and not only make new discoveries,

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right now capitol hill is bracing for a far-right rally, supporting the pro-trump violent mob that stormed the seat of democracy eight months ago. we don't know what this rally is going to look like. but we know that the driving force behind it is a toxic stew of lies, dangerous lies, spreading across social media like wildfire among the followers of the twice-impeached expresident. the toxic screw is getting extra scrutiny as let "wall street journal" unleashed a devasating series of stories based on her internal documents about the harm caused by facebook platforms in particular to talk about this is roger mcnam ee and early facebook investor and the author of "zucked." and brandy zoznip simple question, would we have had the rally today, the rally on january 6th without the aid of

our social media giants? >> that is a tough question. would we have had trump without facebook? there is just -- it's a good question. there is some real soul searching the company is doing internally even. what "the wall street journal" has shown us for all the soul-searching they do when they come up with conclusions that their site makes things more polarized, more misinformed, angrier, that they don't do anything when they find harms? especially if it interferes with growth. so this specific rally isn't organized well. when we say we don't know who is there. there is a good chance hardly anyone is there and this is a big flo and partly honestly is because they didn't plan it on facebook. they don't have state rally pages. they have a pretty weak facebook presence. if they would done better on facebook maybe this would be better attended.

the january 6th rally was prechd very much planned on facebook. the stop the steal groups had millions of members within 24 hours. like the facebook is a really good place to mobilize extremists that's what they did on january 6th. they haven't done such a good job at this rally. because facebook doesn't change much about the way people do things on the platform we're likely to see another event in the vurt. >> you and ben collins reported how there is a lot of paranoia online on some of the sites people don't want to turn up because they think 80s honey trap from the fisher. interesting to see how that pans out. roger, when you were an early investor in facebook, back at the very beginning, the innocent heady days, could you imagine that we would end up in a place where you have reporters like brandy telling us that it's because they're not on facebook that the rally is not as big or violent as it was last time around. that we would end up in this dark place? >> apparently, mehdi, i should

have anticipated this. but i did not. the period when i was involved from 2006 to 2009 facebook was literally just getting rolling. they were just beginning to introduce news feed. there were really -- only things they had within any viralty were the like button and photo sharing. and, you know, the business model that created all the trouble really came into play in 2013. and the issue that i think brandy is pointing to which is so important, is this facebook business is about getting our attention. and the best way to do that is to hit our emotions, particularly fear and outrage, because those things make us more vulnerable to suggestions, to buy things, make us easier to manipulate. what "the wall street journal" showed in five stories this week is that facebook knew about the harms while they were going on, in some cases before they went on. and in each case the top

management team overruled people down the chain in order to protect a business model that was doing harm. and the key thing people should take away is that some of the things may in fact be violations of criminal law. and so the investigations that need to happen now -- we need to stop asking the is facebook asking in good faith and start asking what should the criminal charges be particularly in relation to human trafficking, related to essentially allowing elected officials to push an insurrection. things like that are not actually okay at all. >> we'll take a quick break. we want you to stick around. we'll continue the conversation after the break. and more about mark zuckerberg's role in all of this, stay tuned. s role in all of this, stay tuned. .

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we're back with roger mcnamee, author of zucked. and also the reporter who covers online misinformation. brandy, we were talking about the massive investigation into facebook. and one of the headlines is that facebook knows instagram is toxic for teen girls company documents show. they knew it, they didn't do anything about it, question, why didn't they do anything about it and are they going to do anything about it now, now that they have been shamed and exposed in this way? >> yeah, the thing about facebook being bad for teenage girls and their mental health and body image, this is not new information. we've known this for a long, long time. there has been outside research that told us there. and facebook has done some

things with that, right? they sort of experimented with this idea of not showing counts, not showing likes. but the bottom line again is that like these folks care about growth. they are business making enterprise. so you had the head of facebook said that it is just like a car or something, right? like cars crash sometimes, but the overall good of the company, the overall good of a car outweighs the negative impacts of a car crash. and so really misplaced metaphor in a lot of ways because they can do something about the platform. they have to facebook's great credit a ton of very smart data scientists that they employ to actually work out these questions. and find the solutions. they have done a pretty good job unlike a place like youtube for instance who doesn't sort of do that research. the point is that you are making, step two when it

interferes with growth, what will they do. and the fact is that the public pressure is really on that it has never been before. and it seems like they must have to start doing something even if that will be -- if that move is forced by some sort of legislation. >> and if there are car accidents, we also regulate cars, drivers, passengers, roads. and facebook spends much of its time resisting any and all regulation. roger, you said in the last segment that criminal investigations, some of the stuff that they were doing, was criminal. are you calling for a criminal investigation into facebook, into mark zuckerberg? i mean, that is going just about break them up. just want to clarify. >> absolutely correct. there are at least three places where we need to look at potential criminal cases. one is trust because of price fixing with google and visual ads mark of the state of texas is leading the case, it should

be federalized. that would include felony accounts against executives. so thatis important. secondly, what they to not prevent drug cartels in human trafficking despite lots of pleas from activists, they aided and an betsed that. brandy's over work showed had there were 3 million members of qanon on facebook in the summer of 2020 and facebook's research said that two-thirds of the time they join extremist groups it is because of facebook recommendation. so that means that facebook radicalized about 2 million people. and facebook also had the platform that the insurrection was organized. and we have documents to say that they knew that was going on, which means that they aided and abetted and insurrection. these things are all criminal. and we have to find out if facebook is guilty of criminal stuff. and i want to push back on brandy a little bit on the

shaming. i think facebook is immune from shaming. i think we've had five years to determine that. i first went to mark and sheryl in october of 2016 to warn them as people i had previously advised that for their own good they needed to get ahead of the issues for democracy and civil rights. they chose not do so. and they have been essentially disassembling of since. and we cannot -- what we need is criminal investigations, we need new legislation, but what we most need to do is have action. our democracy is hanging on by a thread. and these guys play way too big a role in this and our kids having threatened. the problem with facebook is facebook. >> sometimes i wonder to myself who is most responsible for american democracy hanging by the threat.

is it mark zuckerberg, is it rupert murdoch, is it donald trump? can't work it out to be honest. but i appreciate you both coming on the show this morning to give us your insights in to facebook and social media on this day. where we're expecting another far right rally in d.c. thank you both. appreciate it. that does it for me this morning. thank you for watching. i was sitting in for my friend ali velshi. make sure to tune into "velshi" tomorrow morning from 8:00 a.m. to 10:00 a.m. tomorrow night we'll have john legend on the show. don't police that. and also on peacock. and all the self plugs are over. for now, go nowhere, because a special edition of the cross connection from washington, d.c. live starts with tiffany cross right now. the people who breached the capitol on january 6th are being

abused. the. >> the doj is harassing peaceful patriots. >> and how come so many people are still in jail over january 6? >> we have in this city political prisoners held hostage by their own government. >> amazing why they have taken these political prisoners, they are trying to make an example. >> good morning and welcome to this very special edition of the cross connection, american extremism. as the nation kicks off hispanic heritage month, the threat to our multiethnic democracy continues with pro trump protestors planning a rally right here in washington today in support of the insurrectionists who stormed the capitol on january 6. the organizer says there will be similar rallies in 17 state capitals across the country. and although the d.c. event is not expected to be violent or even