and a very good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome, everyone, to "alex witt reports." we begin with breaking news, d.c. on high alert as a rally is getting under way in support of the hundreds of people arrested and charged in the january 6th attack on the capitol. we'll have a live report in just a few moments. earlier today democratic congresswoman dean reacted to the security measures. >> look how bizarre these pictures are. why in god's name would we have to protect our capitol from americans? why? because we have relationship in the republican party, and that's an oxymoron, that wants these lies to continue and wants to

keep people at risk. capitol police officers died on january the 6th. >> a stunning reversal, the pentagon now admitting a drone strike meant to target terrorists killed ten afghan civilians, including seven children, and it did not kill any isis-k fighters. the military have previously defended the attack, which came days after 13 u.s. military members were killed in the explosion. u.s. centcom commander apologizing. also new today at the u.s.-mexico border, the biden administration saying it will deport thousands of haitian migrants who have gathered in del rio, texas. it is part of a new strategy outlined by dhs today to address the increase in migrants. officials have temporarily closed the crossing there. more migrants are expected to show up. and a setback for the white house plan to make vaccine

boosters widely available as soon as monday. an fda advisory committee voted against recommending a third dose of pfizer's vaccine for most fully vaccinated adults, though in a second vote they did recommend boosters for people 65 or older, as well as others at high risk. members saying they need to know more about the impact of a third shot. >> recommending a third dose for younger people is just not something i would be comfortable with at this point. >> i think we should really be concerned, the immunity seems to decrease over time. do we want to wait while previously vaccinated people get sick? >> i would support it for people over 65, but i have trouble supporting this for anyone greater or equal to 16. >> we're going to delve into today's headlines for you. welcome, all. we're going to begin with yasmin vossoughian. tell us what's going on where

you are at that rally. >> reporter: the crowd has picked up. we were here earlier today and there was no one in sight aside from some press. now the crowd has picked up. let me show you a little bit of what i'm seeing so you can get a sense of the crowd. you see the stage. the organizer of justice for j-6, he was a former trump operative, worked underneath corey lewandowski when he was the campaign manager for then-candidate donald trump. he's the organizer of this rally. he's going to be speaking in just a moment. i spoke to him a little bit earlier to ask him what he thought about the turnout and he admitted because he understands that one of the reasons why he decided to have this rally here was because he wanted to get as much press attention as possible. i asked him, why would you want to have a rally at such a political place, understanding what took place on january 6th, understanding how politicized it is, how so many people have ptsd if they were here experiencing that whole thing? and he said because he knew how much press he would get, how

much attention he would get and it was one of the reasons he wanted to have the rally here. he cease all the media here and feels satisfied that he's getting the attention he wants. he feels as if people on january 6th from the insurrection are being unjustifiably held, unjustifiably charged. he feels as if the people who breached capitol grounds should not have done that, but he feels also that they are being harshly held and charged. here's some of what he said in an interview that i had with him yesterday, alex. >> why are you asking this rally outside the capitol, a place that is so politically charged, understanding what took place on january 6th? >> well, those are the kinds of accusations that sort of suggest we don't have -- >> i'm not accusing you. >> you can ask any question you want, i can answer it any way i want. the suggestion that somehow the first amendment doesn't apply to people like me and people like us who are trying to stand up for what is the greatest causes of our moment is ludicrous. we are entitled to our first amendment right.

>> reporter: so as you saw, that was an accusation i made. that was just a question that i asked as to why you would have a rally outside the capitol, knowing how political it was, knowing how political of a decision that was. i also asked him if he supports the storming of the capitol. he said that's how you characterize it. that's not how i characterize it. that's what we all saw on january 6th with our very own eyes. and as we all know at this point, the capitol police, the metropolitan police, the national guard, they don't want to be caught flat-footed this time around as they were back on january 6th. so with all of that in mind, despite the fact there are reports indicating maximum of 700 people, we're not even seeing that, maybe 100 people at this point. security is in place and i'll just give you a 360 view, if you can see. you've got barriers behind the stage and then barriers in front of the capitol building. you've got the dump trucks behind here and then cement barriers as well. so completely fortified, this area, no matter what happens. the capitol police wanted to

make sure they're ready and prepared for whatever may take place over the next few hours. >> yasmin, you were there on january 6th as well. the vitreal, the danger that was there on january 6th, this looks like a placid crowd by comparison. do you get the sense people are fired up or what is going on there? >> reporter: yeah, it's completely -- it is a completely different feeling than january 6th and i felt that since i got up at 5:00 and made my way to the capitol. when i got up on january 6th and made my way to the area, of course then-president trump was going to be speaking and there was an energy in the crowd that i had never really seen before. there were thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people in the streets, protesting that day the certification of the election of joe biden on january 6th. and you could feel something was amiss. as i spoke to folks on the

ground that day, there was a palpable anger that they felt as if then-vice president mike pence should be overturning the election. you're not feeling that today. he told me specifically this is not a day for violence and anybody that wants to partake in violence today will be called out for it. they'll use their phones to identify those people. people don't seem fired up today like they did. they're here to protest. maybe a crowd of 100, maybe. it's a very different feeling than it was on january 6th, but still very much a fortified zone. and let me just say one more thing. in seeing the security here, i can't help but think if only this was here on january 6th. >> yeah, gotta wonder if mr. brainard is going to consider this rally a bust. we'll get the reaction later. thank you. let's go to the fight against covid-19. the u.s. reaching another grim milestone in the pandemic, 42 million cases. this comes as the white house

hits a new roadblock in the fight against covid. on friday the panel voted against a plan to offer pfizer booster shots to all americans. let's go to kathy park, who joins us with the latest from new york city. it was confusing, the messages were coming out, two big ones in a day, straighten it out for us, the panel's decision and who can get these shots now. >> reporter: hey, alex. good afternoon to you. after an hours' long discussion yesterday, members of the fda advisory committee stopped short of recommending pfizer booster shots for everyone. instead, gave the okay for those 65 and older and those considered high risk. and now this wasn't a final decision, but it was certainly a key vote. a critical turning point for pfizer's covid-19 boosters. after fda vaccine advisers rejected the extra dose for the general public, but endorsed it for people 65 or older, plus

those at high risk of illness. >> the data we're seeing right now is applicable unnecessary for the general population. >> reporter: the committee was asked to vote on the safety and efficacy for a third shot. the members overwhelmingly voted against it. >> we're being asked to vote without clear evidence. >> reporter: during friday's meeting presentations show that pfizer's vaccine protection wanes after six months, but is still effective in keeping people out of the hospital and against severe disease. the vote will now be considered by the fda, which usually follows the committee's decision. >> what about the other vaccines? >> moderna and johnson & johnson will follow similar protocols. >> reporter: meanwhile, the covid crisis deepens in places like idaho, montana and alaska, where hospitals are now allowed to ration care. >> we broke two covid records that we did not want to break.

the number of hospitalizations has now surpassed our record since the beginning of covid. >> reporter: and hard-hit mississippi holds the grim title of highest rate for covid deaths, surpassing new jersey. roughly one out of every 320 mississippians has now died from the virus. >> reporter: alex, friday's vote is just the first up in the approval process for the pfizer booster. next week the cdc will sign off before we see a rollout. >> thank you so much for ironing everything out. let's go to the stunning admission from the pentagon and what they're calling a tragic mistake. the u.s. military saying a drone strike in afghanistan did not take out an isis target as originally claimed, but instead killed between civilians, including seven children. the strike happened days after a terror attack at kabul airport among the frenzied evacuation

effort. courtney, what is the very latest? >> reporter: after allegations that a u.s. drone strike may have resulted in civilian casualties, the u.s. military launched a formal investigation. on friday they released the findings of that investigation and it proved that bad intelligence had deadly consequences. a stunning reversal by the u.s. military. late friday, acknowledging this drone strike intended to target a potential isis bomber, actually killed ten innocent afghan civilians, including seven children, some just 2 and 3 years old. >> i'm here today to set the record straight and acknowledge our mistakes. >> reporter: the august 29th strike came three days after more than 160 people were killed in a terror attack at kabul airport, including 13 u.s. service members. u.s. military leaders initially claimed the strike stopped another imminent attack on americans at the airport. >> the procedures were correctly followed. it was a righteous strike. >> reporter: but the ensuing u.s. military investigation shed

light on a tragic mistake. that day military intelligence warned of an isis-k attack using a toyota core roll la. u.s. drones tacked a corolla for eight hours, but it was the wrong car. the vehicle they were watching was owned by zemari ahmadi, an afghan man. >> it is unlikely that they were associated with isis-k. >> reporter: friday's disclosure comes after a "new york times" investigation showed the items that were in his car were not explosives, but water bottles. >> i offer my sincere apology. as commander, i am fully responsible for this strike and tragic outcome. >> reporter: the second u.s. officer said the u.s. is not hiding from this mistake. >> we will be transparent in telling the world exactly what we did, whatever that is. >> reporter: this was one of those over-the-horizon strikes.

that means that the u.s. military aircraft were based in neighboring countries and didn't actually originate in afghanistan prior to the strike. now that there's no u.s. military on the ground there in afghanistan, all future strikes will be from this over-the-horizon presence, and this tragedy really underscores how difficult it will be for the u.s. military to find and target terror groups going forward now that there's no longer military there, but they will also have more limited intelligence gathering capabilities. alex? >> nbc's courtney kube at the pentagon, thank you. new this hour, the biden administration vowing to deport thousands of haitians now gathering at the southern border. it prompted officials to temporarily close the only border crossing in del rio, texas, as more migrants are expected to show up. let's go to nbc's morgan chesky there for us. welcome to you. so dhs just releasing a new strategy outline on this. first of all, start with the

conditions there. what's going on? what's it like? >> reporter: well, alex, i can tell you we're approaching 100 degrees right now. it has been an incredibly tough 24 hours here at the border as this group has gotten larger. they numbered 5,000 wednesday. yesterday the high count from border patrol, 13,700 migrants, most of them from the island nation of haiti. now, we have learned overnight that that number has been reduced by about 2,000. they've had buses going in and out of this area, transporting them to other processing centers that are not as crowded as the one here in del rio. this bridge in question, about a quarter mile behind me, and that is where this group has just grown over the last few days. we know that there is limited food and water, despite some being brought here from both federal and state resources, and members of the community. there's simply not enough to go around with a group this big. restrooms also in short supply.

the sheriff here telling me there are people on this side of the border that have gone back into mexico, purchased food and water, then come back across the rio grande to distribute it amongst family members and others waiting to be processed. they are not being detained under this bridge. this is simply the only place they can find a little shade in hopes of waiting and pleading their case to the united states government. >> we now have one-third of the population of the city of del rio, texas, in a confined space under the city of del rio international bridge. this is setting the nuclear bomb alarm that this is no longer sustainable, acceptable. >> reporter: you mentioned dhs outlining a new plan to take on

this group of people and make sure they are safely distributed. it's a six-point plan. the key factors are, number one, they have shut down this bridge in del rio going into mexico. they are now turning all traffic to eagle pass, texas, 53 miles away. they say the reasoning in doing that is they want to give the authorities all the room they can in order to manage this ongoing situation, so they're not dealing with any traffic above the bridge right now. they're also surging 400 border patrol agents to this area as we speak. they're expected here by the end of today. they will, of course, be much needed in helping manpower-wise with this group. the sheriff told me they only had about 100 people down there that were working among the groups. some of those paramedics treating people that needed medical treatment. there was a woman who went into labor. there was a 2-year-old that was found unresponsive that had to be taken to a hospital. these are some of the ongoing

issues when you have this large a group of people in this confined space, in conditions like this. in addition, we do know those deportation flights will be getting up sooner than later here and resuming. they have planes that have up to five to eight a day out of del rio. these migrants will be taken back to haiti or taken to other u.s. processing centers that are not simply dealing with the overcrowding like we're seeing in del rio. by all of those factors coming in together, they hope to alleviate the crowds here, although there is still word of even more people coming this way, alex. >> i've got to tell you, it is just a stunning story that you're telling us. it's concerning, it's heartbreaking. thank you for keeping us up to date. we'll check in with you again and see how things are. find some shade. thanks, morgan. the french resorted to one of the harshest sleights they could use in attacking the biden administration after the submarine deal with australia.

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new reaction today as french fury grows with the country re-calling its ambassadors to both the u.s. and australia. this comes after a uk and u.s. deal allowing australia to buy nuclear powered sub marines that is part of a partnership that the u.s. plans as an effort to build defenses against china. france had its own deal with australia for slower diesel-powered subs. the new reaction from the foreign minister of affairs says this brutal, unilateral and unpredictable decision reminds me a lot of what mr. trump used to do. i'm angry and bitter. this isn't done between allies.

joining me now is california congressman ted lieu, democratic member of the house judiciary and foreign affairs committees. we have one of the closest allies pulling its ambassador. how unprecedented is this, and is this, quote, what mr. trump used to do? >> thank you, alex, for your question. france is an important and critical ally of the united states, one of america's longest standing allies, and we respect their relationship. i don't really understand the reaction of the french. this is basically a weapons sale contract and australia and france had an agreement to buy diesel powered submarines. australia then decided they wanted faster, better nuclear powered submarines. so australia decided to go with the better submarines, and australia is going to have to pay the damages from breaking

the contract with france then we move on. this happens all the time. people have contracts, they break them and pay the damages. these are business transactions, so i don't understand the kind of reaction that france is having right now. >> do you get a sense that the biden administration anticipated a reaction like this? have we gotten a reaction from the biden administration to all of this and are you concerned that it's going to be hard to repair relations with france? >> i don't. officials have emphasized the long-standing and critical relationship that united states has with france. if france wants to be angry at anyone, it should be australia. they're the buyer that chose to go with a different product. australia didn't have to do that. australia said they wanted a better submarine and that's basically what happened. >> let's talk about what's happening now in d.c. with the rally near the capitol, supporting the hundreds of people that have been arrested and charged in the january 6th insurrection. what do you think is behind these people calling for

justice? >> if republicans want to prevent the risk of further political violence, all they have to do is say one simple truthful sentence, the election was not stolen. the refusal to do that and to keep promoting the big lie is harmful to our democracy and it's going to result in further political violence. the people who showed up on january 6th and assaulted our capitol, they're not heroes. they're traitors. they're insurrectionists. and anyone showing up today to support those people also are of the same mindset and it's highly disturbing that you still have people in america who want to take our democracy and destroy it. >> and of course a lot of this is about donald trump, so not surprisingly, he released a statement ahead of the rally. it reads, our hearts and minds are with the people being persecuted so unfairly relating to the january 6th protest concerning the rigged presidential election. in addition to everything else, it has been proven conclusively we are a two-tooered system of justice. in the end, justice will

prevail. do you want to just share your reaction to that? and, by the way, can a trump statement like this even impact the rally? >> 140 police officers were assaulted on january 6th. some were critically injured. you have property damage. these people committed crimes. and it's fascinating that more than ten months later the president still complains about the election somehow being rigged. he still cannot explain who stole the election, nor how it was done. donald trump is just making stuff up. the election was not stolen. he says the california election was also stolen. guess what, it wasn't. gavin newsom simply crushed the recall and he's still governor. so the former president simply makes stuff up any time his side loses. elections are fundamental to our democracy and donald trump needs to stop having folks believe that somehow our democracy isn't functioning. >> you know the one line you

said that be muttered and that would put an end to this, that the election was not stolen? why is it that we hear that from few, if any republicans? two come to find, liz cheney and adam kinzinger. beyond that not so much. do you hear that from your republican colleagues? do they privately tell you that? >> they don't privately discuss that issue. they don't like to talk about it. i also believe that the perspective of their ego, they can't handle the fact that the overwhelming majority of americans reject their views and beliefs. the overwhelming majority of americans actually support the tax cut for middle class families, support health care, support having increased jobs and infrastructure. so they don't want to deal with the fact that many americans don't accept their beliefs so they have to make something up like somehow elections are stolen any time they lose. >> let me ask you one last question here about january 6th. and just looking at this rally,

if my director james can put up the aerial photo we have, they were expecting as many as 700. my colleague there on the ground said maybe 100, it may have grown to 150 here. how do you think this, congressman, combined with the landslide victory in california of gavin newsom beating that recall election, do you think the lackluster presence here, the landslide victory for gavin newsom, is something of a repudiation of donald trump right now? do you think his influence is waning slowly but surely? >> absolutely. a recent poll came out showing that approximately half of republican voters would prefer a different nominee for 2024, someone other than donald trump. and he has only been out of office for about ten months. you already see his influence has waned. you're going to see that continue in the next three years.

with the recall election you saw democrats are fired up to vote because we understand the stakes are very high from being able to have an economy and have vaccines going to as many people as possible and making sure we crush this virus, to also having your neighbor not spy on people and sue people who have an abortion, like in texas. democrats are fired up to vote, make sure that we keep the america that we know. >> california congressman ted lieu, it's always a pleasure to see you. thank you. the new revelations about the waning days of the trump presidency and how far vice president pence was willing to go to protect his box. surprising new details next. buttercu ♪ welcome to allstate. ( phone notification ) where you can pay a little less and enjoy the ride a little more.

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we're staying in d.c. with a live look at the capitol. let's go to nbc's garrett haake on the ground there at what organizers are calling the justice for j-6 valley. so it's under way.

talk about the crowd size and the mood and what are you seeing and hearing, garrett? >> reporter: alex, this rally has just gotten under way. it's tough to estimate the crowd size because there are so many reporters mixed in with the attendees. my best guess is that you're probably looking at about 200 attend he's and at least that many reporters. just behind our camera is another level of folks, mostly d.c. residents who have come out to take a look at the spectacle and some of them to enjoy sort of a particular kind of look that this was not materialized into the pro-insurrectionist rally that the organizers had hoped to see. i talked to the d.c. police chief a short time ago. so much concern about security in the lead-up to this event and he and i discussed the possibility by tomorrow, the d.c. residents will be just going back to brunch and not worried about the security

situation any more. that perhaps they would have overdone it. this is the level of confidence he expressed to me in their security plan. here's what he told me. >> i feel like we're prepared. we certainly have put a lot of effort into it, as you can see. the capitol police officers, we've coordinated with them, they're prepared. we're hoping people will come peacefully and express their rights. >> reporter: this is not a heated or tense atmosphere. it has been a peaceful protest event thus far. i talked to some folks attending this event, some who drove from pittsburgh or north carolina to be here, and on the surface level their demands are pretty straightforward. they want to say the people who have been arrested for crimes related to january 6th that they be speedily charged and cases be adjudicated. they say they don't think there's that much that happened

that was actually wrong and descriptions of it being an insurrection or break-in are inaccurate. i can tell you they are not. you get a little bit farther into just a very different viewpoint on what happened on that day and that's some of what we're beginning to hear from the speakers taking the stage even now. >> i mean, have they seen the video? okay, i never cease to be amazed by those positions. thank you very much, my friend. good to see you. let's go to the shocking revelations from the new book "peril" by woodward and costa, detailing the final days of the trump administration, including how twice in the final months the country's top military official was so afraid trump would spark a war with china he made secret calls to his chinese counterparts to ease tensions. joining me now, elise jordan, former aide in the george w. bush white house and an msnbc political analyst and director of progressive programming at

siriusxm. good to see you both. zelina, i'll reach out to you first. what's your reaction? >> i think my understanding of what donald trump was doing after the election to use every single means possible to stay in power, whether it be legal or illegal, i've been thinking a lot about that and how it connects to what we saw on january 6th and even what we're seeing today in a commemoration, i guess, of those folks who attacked the capitol on january 6th. it's our worst fears realized. when you watch dystopian fiction, you shouldn't be reporting that mirrors it and i think these mirror some of the worst-case scenarios we've all imagined throughout the trump years, that he would utilize a nuclear weapon or something insane just for his own whim. and i think that's so

concerning. it's also concerning given the fact that he apparently wants to run for president again. >> to that former point there, the book goes on to say that general milley and senior officers reviewed the procedures for launching nuclear weapons, saying the president alone could give the order, but crucially that he, milley, also had to be involved, looking each in the eye, the milley asked the officers to affirm that they had understood what he considered an oath. so elise, milley's role, it's a non-political one, right? for these extraordinary measures to be taken, there must have been legitimate fears behind the scenes at the white house. what do you make of all of it? >> alex, i just don't think it's good for civil military relations. i think that corey shocky outlines it far better than i can in an op-ed that i encourage people to read in the "new york times" about how general milley really used this episode to -- in the aftermath it seems to be

more about burnishing his own legacy and not about what he should be doing, which is staying silent and staying apolitical. i'm naturally suspicious when bob woodward is the outlet for someone to do their legacy rehab. and we remember what happened on the day that general milley walked side by side with donald trump over to the church after a black lives matter protest and there was tear gas thrown on d.c. protesters. and he really suffered some tough press hits over the course of the year and it looks like he's on a woodward rehab tour, frankly. and i don't like it when the military gets out too far in front of political leadership, no matter who the administration is, because i think it's a very dangerous precedent. >> well said. so it was also revealed in this new excerpt -- rather one exert, that vice president mike pence called former vp dan quayle for

advice. quayle essentially told him there's nothing you can do to change the result. our friend, missing today, wrote the nbc news think piece that says pence's enabling of trump was worse than we thought. has this new reporting changed your perspective of pence's role in all of this? >> not so much. we saw what he did on january 6th. he went ahead and did the right thing and certified the election results. it made me think highly of former vice president dan quayle for stating the obvious and telling mike pence he had to do this, it was his duty, there was no way around it. but really it's far for the course with what we've seen for mike pence and you see a rare display like january 6th and he does what he's supposed to do, but then you see plenty of other episodes over the course of the trump presidency where he pandered and made sure to stay in donald trump's good graces. so with that kind of wishy washiness, it is not what i like

to see in someone who is going to be vying for the 2024 gop nomination. >> zelina, this may all be in the past, trump may just be a private citizen now. but at the end of the day, he is still the leader of the republican party and he could very much be the republican nominee for president in 2024. so what is your gut reaction to that in light of this book? >> well, i think it tells you the state of the republican party in this particular moment. this is a crisis for our democracy. it's not really a crisis simply along partisan lines, although it's one party not participating in the democracy at the moment. but i think the most concerning things in the short-term we should be paying attention to, the voting rights bills on capitol hill to ensure the folks who showed up in 2020 despite the pandemic still have access in the upcoming elections so that election subversion and

trying to block ballot access for voters is not normalized all throughout the country as it is in many battleground states that surprisingly went through in 2020. i wonder if there's a connection there. so i think it shows that the republican party, they're stuck in the past. if you recall, donald trump lost the popular vote two times and the second time it was by 7 million votes, alex. so if they're going to go back and double down on donald trump, go for it. >> ladies, as always, it's good to see you both. i'll hope to see you again next saturday. thank you so much. before that, be sure to catch zerlina maxwell's show, week nights at 6:00 p.m. eastern on the peacock channel. next, the shocking new twist in the case of a missing young florida woman and the social media video that could be a vital clue.

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petito, who went missing while they traveled the country together. a new twist in the case, laundrie himself now missing. >> they are claiming that they have not seen their son since tuesday. >> reporter: laundrie returned home to floored on september 1st, ten days before petito was reported missing, arriving with the fan the two used for their road trip, but without petito. laundrie, a person of interest in the case, has so far refused to speak to authorities on advice of counsel, who says the warning that any statement made will be used against you is true, regardless of whether my client had anything to do with miss petito's disappearance. >> what do you make of the fact that brian is still remaining silent? what does that say? >> there's only one person who can answer these questions and that's brian. but it certainly doesn't look good. >> reporter: a possible clue coming from tiktok. law enforcement confirming they're investigating this

woman's claim that she picked up brian while he was hitchhiking alone in wyoming on august 29th. >> he offered to pay us $200 to give him a ride, like ten miles. he then told us he's been camping for multiple days without his fiance. >> reporter: all this on the heels of body cam video from august 12th, showing an emotional police encounter with the couple. >> we've been fighting all morning and he wouldn't let me in the car before. he told me i needed to calm down. >> reporter: all the while, petito's family growing more desperate by the day. "dateline's" andrea canning sitting down with her father. >> i want people to do everything they can. i need her to come home. >> reporter: meanwhile, police expressing their own frustration, releasing a statement saying they have been trying to talk to brian for days to get information that may be critical to finding gabby. now that he's disappeared, they don't have that opportunity.

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that report. betsy is an msnbc contributor and national security for politico. betsy, it's always good to see you. let's get into this, because almost immediately after january 6th, other social media apps, facebook and twitter specifically, they faced scrutiny for providing a digital space for extremism. but this dhs report that you cited in the article is from april. so what happened here? why did it take several months for officials to realize tiktok also played a role in the capitol riots? was it an oversight? how do you read it? >> there's a bit of an easter egg in this intelligence report that you reviewed from dhs. at the beginning when it explains why they sent this report out to their law enforcement partners around the country, it specifically said that they believed some folks might just not be familiar with the app. people who work in extremism research and in law enforcement tend to skew a little older, while tiktok is famous for having a very young user base. people in their late teens and

early 20s are sort of the native users of the app. for people who tend to be older, the app might seem like something they just don't use every day and aren't particularly fluent in. people of the age demographic who focus on law enforcement and extremism research are going to be very comfortable with apps like facebook and twitter. with tiktok, not so much. that's why with this report i view it as dhs kind of playing catchup, trying to scramble to stay on top of the way social media is changing, the way extremists are changing their efforts to recruit people along with social media, but how at the same time law enforcement isn't necessarily changing its tactics quickly enough to stay on top of the way that this threat is shifting. >> so can you categorize how exactly extremists are using this tiktok app? >> that's a good question. the dhs report laid out ways that extremists of different idealogical stripes had used it. it pointed to posts that isis

supporters put on the app in 2019 showing videos of corps and violence and calling people to participate in violent attacks. tiktok kept those videos up until a newspaper reached out to them about it and then it took them down. the dhs report says that extremists used tiktok to make videos trying to radicalize people, trying to encourage them to join them in their ideologies, and sometimes extremists will post ideas and tactics about specific ways people can engage in violence. now, tiktok spokespersons told us they are adamantly against any use of the app, we should say misuse of the app, to promote extremism and violence and they say they're doing the best to stay on top of it and they pull down countless videos every day of people trying to use the app to promote extremism. but concerns are deep enough

among law enforcement officials, they're saying how they can exploit the app and see it as a concern. >> does this highlight the greater challenge of extremism on social media and the ability to monitor it overall? >> yeah, no question. one of the perhaps unintended consequences of the mass purge of extremists from the main extremely social media apps after january 6th, which is widely viewed as a net good socially, one of the consequences is many extremists have moved to much smaller fringe apps, they've moved to encrypted communication channels, according to some law enforcement documents i reviewed. they encourage the people they meet to move to encrypted or less common apps that don't do as good of a job policing extremism and that's where they're organizing. so law enforcement officials are worried they may have an emerging blind spot and they might not be keeping up with some of these smaller, less well

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crew in their last few hours in space. it's very exciting. >> reporter: it really is exciting and it's built a lot of excitement for space travel. the splash down is expected in the atlantic ocean, and it will be there at 7:06 p.m. later on today. as you mentioned, they've had a busy morning taking in their environment, taking photos from that little capsule. over the course of the next few hours they'll do a couple other burns to get to a lower altitude so they can prepare themselves to once again reenter earth's atmosphere. and then they'll go, in the course of an hour, from zero gravity to four times their body weight. the cabin itself will light up as if the sun was a part of the crew inside and then they'll splash down, wrapping up this history-making trip. >> welcome, everybody, to the crew dragon resilience. >> reporter: for the first time since their historic launch, we

heard from the inspiration 4. >> it's pretty incredible. >> the first-ever all civilian crew soaking up their other worldly surroundings and getting ready to pack up and go home. >> we want to inspire what can be done in space. >> reporter: the commander jared isaacman, chris sem sembroski, sian proctor, and hayley arceneaux. >> the crew spending their days collecting scientific research, eating pizza and answering questions we all want to know. >> are there cows on the moon? >> i hope there will be one day. >> reporter: the team also chatting with patients and future astronauts from st. jude's hospital. >> hayley arceneaux, a former patient and cancer survivor. >> if that person can do it, any

person can do anything. >> reporter: one of them was an 11-year-old from louisiana, recovering from kidney cancer. >> so you saw the rocket take off and then you get to speak with them. what was that like? >> that was pretty crazy. i got to talk to people in space. >> reporter: the inspiration for living up to its name. >> do you want to be an astronaut? do you want to go to space? >> i want to be a st. jude's doctor to give back to them. >> reporter: alex, it's no doubt inspired many people who want to be doctors, astronauts, and, frankly, billionaires. it is funded, after all, by a billionaire. >> kendis, we'll check in with you again. we'll be looking forward to splashdown later today. thank you. and here we go with a good day to all of you from msnbc world het quarters in new york. welcome to