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of his presidency as some of america's closest allies look to see if u.s. foreign policies have really changed since donald trump left the white house. tomorrow's speech comes on a heel of a series of setback for the biden administration on friday. the pentagon announced a drone strike targeting terrorists mistakenly killed tens of millions and including seven children. the fda advisory group voted against the booster shot, it was only approved for seniors or high risk groups. and finally, france recalled its ambassador to the united states over president biden's to provide nuclear -- we'll get

overall of that. the administration had hoped todd pivot back to his domestic agenda which has been jeopardized by some members of his own party. whitehouse's aides discussed curtailing the u.s. travel. with us we have white house's reporters, jonathan lemire who's up way too early for us and david ignious is joining us. >> jonathan, you traced joe biden's problem, he's obviously going to be dealing with for some time now.

talk about those things ta fell one after another against the president. >> sure, joe. it comes against the backdrop when the white house really as mica just read from my story this weekend they wanted to reset things, the focus on domestic agenda again. they had a tough stretch there. withdrawal from afghanistan and evacuation more of a successful story. terrorist attacks and have dodged the white house at this point. and then we also of course have had week's worth of rising covid cases. on friday, he finally got a break after his certification by the afghanistan crisis. stunning headlines one after another. the pentagon acknowledging the drone strike had not killed isis-k but rather tens of millions. the last drone strike resulted

in tragedy. second, the fda panel said only seniors and high-risk groups will be authorized for the third shot, the booster shot. the administration hoped all americans would be declared eligible. lastly, another escalation of our oldest allies, france, as the french recalled their ambassador to the u.s. over the deal the u.s. and the u.k. made to supply austria with nuclear power submarine. the french's agreement with austria and tensions are remaining high. president biden is hoping to speak to president macron in the coming days. we have the president coming to new york, trying to get the world rally around the vaccines and reassure these allies. a few months ago when president

biden was in europe as he praised him and now they're wondering if that's the case. >> you look at the behind the scenes march the nation between the americans and the australians, you see that the french were kept in the dark that they're going to go to extraordinary generous defense contract with the australians and one wonders why this was handled the way it was. why are other oldest allies was not led in on these discussions earlier? >> i think this was a self-inflected wounds for the biden administration. the french should have understood that there was a problem with their $66 billion sub crack with austria yesterday. they have been complaining.

scott morrison went to paris in june to inform the french these were too expensive and under performing. the administration should have paid more atepgs to the fact that you can't have a coherent strategy for asia and the pacific. french got islands there, it does all the things we want an ally to do. i think that's part of why the french was so hurt and stun by the decisions. they feel like their allies and they got dissed. the french ambassador was called, the french looking for president biden to say something when they call president macron to reassure the french in some

ways under lying they are crucial allies. it goes to the core, the thing that biden is -- it rebuilds alliances and it solves covid and goes right to the problem and it knows what to do. these are the fixers after the breakers of the trump administration. i think that's why last friday the series of things that jonathan lemire listed hurts so much because it goes to the core competence issues which biden got to make it more believable to americans. >> this is telling us a little about biden's foreign policies and focusing on right the problems, it seems to be all about china. >> yeah, it's all about china.

when they say america is back, they're thinking of a trans atlantic. when of course deemed of the pacific. rivalry with china and maybe a better world cooperation of china is america's number one policy goal under biden. that's a bipartisan consensus. i think with some european missed reading of biden's priorities there. the frustration of europe is for the most part other than france and i am talking about the european union, it does not see the indo-pacific in strategic

terms. germany wants to sell more of their products to china. germany has an important general election coming up. they had three debates, the leaders of the party, including one of last night in which ugly name and this austria/u.s. deal did not come up. so the germans interpret -- they say it's a lost french contract. that's going to limit to a degree of the french, macron is going to be able to push forward of what he calls european strategic autonomy. it has to be paid for. the germans don't seem to be

interested. that's a french's problem. it's also a biden administration's problem. they have not got european buy-in on the indo-pacific yet. >> i understand the australians have been frustrated with the french contract as it was moving along. am i being naive or if you are the united states and you are the oldest ally, an ally that's critic to old parts of the globe. don't you bring them to the table and say we have a problem here and this is the direction we are moving instead of letting them find out after the bill is gone and they lost $60 billion. >> what came down made this a crisis more serious more than it needed to be. i am not sure there is a good

way to compromise something like this. you are either going to go with the french offer for diesel power submarines, they're pretty noisy that they can't stay submerge as long as you would like or you take another fork in a road which is moderate nuclear power the united states only share technology on with britain, that gives austria a special place. it also addresses what i hear increasingly of the fundamental concerns o f our strategy in the indo-pacific. chinese missiles are so accurate that our craft carrier task forces have all the power, confronting china of future wars. having a key asian ally of austria with the weapon system from the under water position

could go after the chinese was a big deal. it's hard to blend that system with what the french war is offering. that's the problem. with that said, the administration claims that this was austria's job. they are breaking contract and they're responsible to tell the french so they kept on putting it off on the aussies but looking back on this, this was unnecessarily collateral damage. >> yeah, former chairman of the joint chief of staff mike mullen says there is nothing unusual between the conversations between general mark milley and his counter part china. >> having communications with counter parts around the world is normal and it was seen and

listened to by many other in the inner agency process. the chinese would read the situation as they did as chaotic and as if we were going to possibly strike. it's very clear and i don't know this because i have not talked to chairman milley, it's clear he had good intel this was the case. it speaks to the need commuicat miscalculate. the two will be joining us here, bob woodward and robert costa. we look forward to that. >> jonathan lemire, based on their reporting it was not just milley that was talking to his counter parts in other countries or china. there were four or five

principles, some of whom cloned themselves where trump used appearances going behind the scenes and talking to counter part china. >> certainly. this underscores this real sense of instability and fear among the highest levels in the trump administration about what the then president would do in the after math of the election and then the january 6th insurrection that the number of people felt they saw a real decline in trump's behavior and stability that he could not perhaps be trusted and it's milley's point where he not only warned the chinese but told according to the book his senior aids, if a process starts where a president authorizes a strike, you need to make sure it's an

authority process. he certainly did not but yes these are routine -- routine maybe a little bit much but these are not out of the ordinary conversations for u.s. officials to have with their counter parts particularly, a rival like china. it shows concerns as to where things were going nine months ago. >> it does. but so act this is extraordinary moment for one american general talking his counter parts, the cia directors or secretary of states, make sure things are calm on the other side, that happens awfully a lot. in a column you write on this, we seem to be missing the bigger point by focusing on general milley. >> that says two things, joe.

first, i did some reporting to see how often this kind of consultation happens with foreign nations and i came up with almost identical example of what milley did, done by predecessor general dunford in 2018, they got jittery, worried of some incidents, dunford called his russian counter part and ended up cancelling and delaying a nato's exercise that's been planned at the time. this questions the larger group within the trump administration who were quietly and visibly setting guard rails against the dangerous actions by president trump. this remains real untold story of the last couple months. by my reporting, mike pompeo

left and attorney general barr left. they were taking steps to make sure the president didn't do things that would destabilize the country and put us in dangerous situations. the problem is and i think every single thing that was done by those three people, milley were helpful for the country and our security but under our constitution, these people didn't have authority to set their own policy. we have a strong executive branch. we have a commander in chief and you don't set up an alternative, thinking well, we know more than president biden, we'll set guard rails. people would be offended. i think there is a real constitutional situation here. there is something we think of

the future. >> still ahead on "morning joe" how some service members killed during a terror attack during the u.s. withdrawal were remembered over the weekend. plus, a small protrump crowd turned out for a far-right rally. also, new reporting on how some of the largest and most powerful accounting firms in the united states have perfected a booipd the scene system to promote their own interests in washington. and just a note on this monday morning, joe's newest podcast is available now. the new episode featured david byrne, he won two emmys out of the six nominations. you can listen to the joe scarborough's podcast on spotify

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plans to visit the park last month. investigators are looking for petito's fiance, brian laundry who was named a person of interest. his family told police they had not seen laundry since last tuesday. we'll be following this. memorial were held for three service members killed in the bombing outside kabul airport. in rosenfield, family and friends honored to members. a picture of the 23-year-old widely shared online. she captioned the photo "i love my child." in palm springs, marines

corporal lopez was laid to death. he died while helping children at the airport who were being crushed by the crowd. and thousands gathered kareem nikoui, his sister says they saved three families at the airport and helping to save the small child when the bomb went off. all three family of these marines were less than four-year-old when the war in afghanistan began. if you can imagine that. on capitol hill senator joe manchin suggested pausing discussions over the democrats'

$3.5 trillion spending packet until 2022. he wanted to push discussions until next year. manchin publicly suggested a strategic pause in talks over the legislation but has not publicly suggested a specific timeline. house speaker pelosi and senate majority leader chuck schumer are pushing to vote on the budget reconciliation package this month. meanwhile the democrats attempt to include immigration changes in the spending bill was rejected by the senate. senate rules only allowed measures related to taxing and spending to be included in reconciliation bill which can cast the senate with a simple majority. the proposed changes of immigration laws are policy changes and the budget impact was accidental. democrats were looking to have

provisions like a pathway to citizenship for several groups such as daca recipients. chuck schumer promised to keep pushing for the changes writing in a state, quote, senate democrats have prepared to alternate proposals," joining us now, cofounder of punch bowl news, anna palmer. it seems like this was going to get pushed off or bogged down in details. what's the way forward for democrats? >> it's not looking good for senate democrats when it comes to immigration proposal. they're going to try as what you said. the senate finance committee is going to take up potential and different proposals they could do. you will see activists saying it's time for the filibuster to go. there is not a pathway.

there is not 60 votes in the senate unless something dramatically shifts. it's hard to see the parliament allowing this. >> anna palmer, good morning, great to see you today. they told you and others there will be ups and downs of negotiations. the bipartisan infrastructure bill and reconciliation package will behalf. it's not going to be $3.5 trillion. they believe it will get done in part. they don't think it would want to be held responsible for submarining the agenda of their own party. manchin caters a different group at times and different calculations. is there a moment now and a real belief manchin is going to push this in 2022 and knock the whole

thing down. there is fear if the reconciliation moves, the biden's infrastructure can fall apart, too. >> it was supposed to be scheduled for a vote on september 27th. the speaker is going to have to make a decision here. it's up to here whether or not they can go forward with that. reconciliation is going to be at least weeks or months away in terms of these negotiations and in terms of deals with both, sinema and manchin, their concerns is cost. and medicare and medicaid, that funding is going to be complicated. we don't know where the compromise is there. the biggest thing and i would say just to underscore this is

in the background with is going to come into real focus here. we are ten days away from a government shutdown. they have to raise the debt limit by the middle of october. we are not going to help you. >> all right, anna palmer, thank you very your reporting. let's bring in investigative reporter at the new york times, jessie trucker, his latest reporting on how accountable giants craft favorable tax rules from inside the government. and this is a really interesting question which i want to hear the answer to. also, with us, professor dorothy brown. her latest book entitled "the whiteness of wealth," how we can talk about the parallel between

these two stories first. jessie, take us through your reporting here. >> basically what we found is that the big four accounting firms have almost an unofficial program of sorts to embed their lawyers in the treasury department where they work on what's quite favorable to their clients. what we found is they go into the government as associates and they return to their old firms and get promoted to partner where they get more pay raises. this process to some degree lawyers of the private sector having a key role of the treasure department since the beginning of time. this program is becoming institutionalized in the last 20 years or so in part of the big

four firms dominating the legal profession. we found examples of this through the obama administration and the trump administration and bush administration which is kind of a problem. >> what are examples of these? are you finding these individuals going into the government with the intentions of doing this? >> i will give you one example that we led our story. there was an attorney. in 2017, the republicans led this enormous overhaul of u.s. tax code. what happens when congress passes tax laws, the treasury department has to come with regulations to implement those tax laws. in 2017, the tax cuts had an enormous number of giveaway of

businesses and individuals. one of them had to do with the 20% deduction, the law explicitly excluded what's called brokerage services. they tried to convince this to them that it did not apply to them. they went in and met with colleagues for years and a week later, a year later the treasure who he met returned to pwuc and these two attorneys working together and they travel the country and explaining to the

world how - >> dorothy brown, how does this play into what you are describing in your book? >> what i found interesting is this raises a question of what the biden administration is going to do. we know the answer. the story acknowledges it's in the person whose the assistant secretary of tax policies. we know who the president nominated, it's a law professor. my issue is that law professor has zero experience writing or thinking about this racism and tax law. it's great he nominated a law professor and not someone from accounting firm or a law firm who can go back. he has not nominated who can take his racial equity order and move it forward. >> i know you written about this

topic recently, would love to get your thoughts on the democrats and what you say they are double standard of taxes of wealth inequality. >> the problem i think in addition to get gerrymandering, the problem the democrats faced, some of the proposal that is are working their way through and not just their ways and means committee are not nearly pr progressive issues. they pay next to no income tax. the democratic proposal are framing on increase tax wealth

point. trump capped it at $10,000. people like schumer and pelosi want to get rid of or at least lift that cap. that's a regressive measure. it's americans who pay this old tax and getting rid of it all together would cost $91 billion. it's a massive hit to the tax payers and would exclusively benefit the wealthiest of americans. that will would give republicans -- it's not decided but it's hugely important and largely overlooked issue.

>> i agree on my washington post op-ed on thursday talked about the house democrats not dealing with steps up in bases of the highest income americans is a loophole. the president wants to close but the democrats in the house saying oh, we don't have the votes. where is lbj when you need him in you got to do better. the democrats have to do better. they talk a good game but they don't walk it. the same lobbiest that the story talked about works for democrats as well as republicans and its got to stop. >> new york times and investigative reporter, jessie drucker and dorothy brown. thank you both. coming up, a surge over 12,000 migrants, mostly from haiti have gathered under a

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a live look at the white house as the sun comes up for washington this morning. a haitian government is asking the biden administration to pause mass deportations of migrants back to haiti of a surge of haitis crossing the river. exclusive access to the southern

encampment calling texas home. >> reporter: they come here little and hoping to claim asylum. security the border provide aid and process every single person. >> over the last few days we have moved across 3200 individuals. we expect the number to increase. >> reporter: our exclusive access to visit with those whose futures remained uncertain. >> reporter: this woman telling us she's been here more than a week and barely eaten. for only their nourishment are their food and water hand-outs. it could not come faster enough. >> reporter: as we push this direction, you can see that there is already a small city that has essentially formed here in the shadow of this bridge,

everyone is trying to do everything they can to stay cool. >> reporter: others have being bussed to other processing locations such as el paso and loretto. deportations are expected to rise in the coming days. the message is clear. >> they'll not be allowed to enter the united states. >> joining us now, nbc news correspondent, julia ainsley, what's the goal in terms of handling this administration? did the administration see it coming? there would be a mass migration? >> yes, i think the immediate goal is to get as many people

out from under that bridge as possible, whether is processing them in or taking them into other facility where they can be better cared for and as we can see there in morgan's piece, nasty deportation. they are expected to be more this week as they ramp up the number and getting towards six or seven or eight flights a day. not all of these people are coming directly from haiti. many of them left after the 2010 earthquake, there was a great migration out of haiti and particularly after the brazil olympics and 2016 and being more devastated by the pandemic. many of them start to come here. you asked why the administration didn't see this coming? perhaps they should have and in part because president biden announced that they would bringing protective status for may for haitians who are already

living here. cartel can exploit and bend the messages that now is the chance to come in. >> i was just under that bridge, there were about 75 people there. even that was surprising but seeing the number going up to 5,000 last wednesday and 10,000 and up to 15,000 this weekend. i don't think anyone would have predicted that and especially not in that sector. you saw raul ortiz, the chief speaking there. he used to be the head of that sector, he's from del rio and he's never seen anything like this. they have not seen anything like this in 25 years. it's historic and they did not have the resources ready to accommodate this number from a law enforcement perspective but also a health perspective, being able to take care of this massive number of people coming

in with so very little, mika. >> hey, julia, it's great to see you again. with this huge surge of haitian migrants. the summer is coming down and it's going to be cooler and more migrants trying to make that trip and trying to get across the border. how is this going to be handled and we saw how overwhelmed they were back in the spring. >> jonathan, all eyes are on ex mexico and what the mexican migrants would do. that's a time where typically you would see the numbers go up and they actually went down.

there was a hope that perhaps we continue to see these numbers go down. a lot of it has to do with not with law enforcement but diplomacies. what can the u.s. do before they make that journey across mexico? we seen the vice president trying to carry out her efforts with central america. what can they do for these people even coming to our border. a big reason why we see so many haitians come because they maxed out the capacity of the mexican government to the point where there were no enforcement. they were getting on buses authorized by the mexican government to come to our border. a lot of it depends on what mexico may do and i think there is a lot of that channelling going on right now to prevent that very problem and prevent it from happening with other populations elsewhere along the border and a way that catches government by surprise.

>> nbc's julia ainsley, thank you so much for your reporting. still ahead, we'll be joined by former fda commissioner dr. scott gottlieb as the fda and the cdc decide whether to follow an advisory panel recommendation against the roll-out of covid-19 booster shots for most americans. plus, how republican governor tate reid is defending his state of covid response despite having the highest number of deaths from the virus. "morning joe" is coming right back. "morning joe" is coming right back

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and the coach himself, jason sadecas. >> it's really great, ted lasso tweeted saying "winning is fun but if you find a family along the way, you can't lose." >> roger bennett is join us, he's the author of the new york times, number one best seller "reborn in the usa." >> let's talk about ted lasso bringing home the award last night. it's pretty exciting. >> it's incredible to see a commercial to a television and you look at what the queen gambit did. we had the women's world cup winning teams year after year.

and american football player known as ted lasso, it's becoming a household name. it's a joy. >> absolutely joy and wonder. let's talk about the weekend's games. >> premier league game this weekend, thick and far. let's start in london where tampa bay and manchester united, featuring christian ronaldo. jimmy greaves, and the kickoff. >> nobody putting baby in the

corner. maintaining his record and scoring in every game since his return. he has so many scores since netflix won emmys. incredible goal. he did not celebrate. it was late drama there. manchester united gave away a penalty. it was a controversial call. and noble, manchester united hold onto win that game only just 2-1. >> other games, chelsea visiting

london rivals. antonio, this is more than a goal. it's a play for passion. chelsea goes up at the table. and own own beloved, they faced crystal palace. another 3-0 win. the canadians smacked home the third. what a finish. >> liverpool second and chelsea first. you are feeling confident? >> i am feeling pretty good. my theory is it all starts and end in the back. if we had van dyke and allison back there, everything sort of

flow forward there. chelsea and united are going to get a real good run this year. >> yeah, you see the power grab by the richest team in football of the super league, that failed back in may. the richest teams are so dominant at the top of the table. watching it reminds me of what morrison said, anything coming back to life hurts and it hurts to see that. >> all right, roger bennett, thank you very mump. coming up, we are following breaking news from pfizer. as the company says its covid-19 vaccine works for children, ages 5 to 11. we'll have the brand new details the what it means in the fight against the pandemic. we are back in one minute. e panc we are back in one minute.

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doctor, what do you make of this news and how soon can we have shots into kids? >> this is certainly a good news. you are likely to see again that advisory committee of what you saw on friday. i would look to maybe over the next month or so having to look at this and potentially having it be given. the reason this is important because we were stuck, the needles have been stuck for a while for us to reap the benefits in terms of these vaccines. we see some areas of kids starting to make a bigger percentage of the new cases. so not only they're going to be part of how they're getting to a point where more of us are immune or protected but kids themselves hopefully staying a

more normal return to school. >> it could be a game changer. >> the fda is meeting again this week to discuss booster shots to roll out the third dose of the viral vaccine to most americans. monica alba has the latest. >> reporter: after an fda panel rejected a plan to offer third doses to people 16 and older. the advisory group voting overwhelming to recommend shots for those over 65. science are playing out a transparent way. >> reporter: just after months the president announced the

injection date. the cdc and the fda will meet again this week to predict produsal. >> i think the original regiment will turn out to be the original two shots and a boost. >> reporter: health experts are still concerned of still many have not gotten their shots. >> the highest priority is not getting boosters but getting the unvaccinated vaccinated. >> reporter: while in alabama overall deaths out numbered births for the first time in 2020. a gap recorded, many included in the 670,000 white flags dotting the national ball in washington,

d.c., to memorialized all who have lost their lives to covid-19 in the u.s. so far. >> so doctor, if you look at the fda's recommendation and advisory recommendation, let's focus first on the people who need it the most. those are people who may have immune system problems. senior citizens are at the blunt of this, what do you think of the fda's recommendation? >> they were asked on specific data and efficacy, would you recommend everybody over 60. the truth was not there for that. when you look at the evidence, there is the clearest evidence over 60. i think they chose 65 and israel presented a new data where they showed people who have medical conditions, younger may potentially seeing waning

immunity against the disease. this is going to be interesting to see how the fda and the cdc interpret this recommendation. you can see medically high-risk as well as occupationally high-risk and looking at healthcare workers. it was the right move because i think to, the decision is made on science and i would bet as dr. fauci says as more evidence shows up, immunity against disease is waning for everybody else. today it would benign eve to think boosters for everybody would lead to a zero equation that takes away vaccine and reduce transmission. >> jonathan, looks like the white house is ahead of the scientist. what was the white house's

reaction on friday and what seemed to be an own goal by the biden administration, how did that happen? >> to underscore what the doctor just said, there is a wide range of latitude for people who could get it because of the seriousness of their jobs or exposure. i think the people i have talked to, perhaps more people will get these boosters than we first thought when headline came out on friday. you are right. what officials have told me and some regrets here, a bit of a mixed messaging from the biden administration. when they came into office it was laser focus and a confusion when it came to talking about the virus and dealing with the virus. the biden white house says larger administration spoke with one voice and the roll out was really smooth. they have hit some stumbling blocks in recent months about

this. the president did seem to get ahead of this. this part of the plan is to try to fight down the virus, get boosters into people's arms, all americans or all americans eligible. sooner than later. their number one focus remains the unvaccinated. that's where they still feel like they must make the most head way. there is a frustration of how long it's taking. they do feel like they seen some hopeful signs in the last week or so, since the president rolled out as much stricker or vaccine mandates. and they're jumping numbers in certain states that have lower vaccination rates that begin with. that's their focus right now. yes, it may be a few months from now and boosters will be available for us all. right now are the mandates. those are the next steps. >> doctor, i was listening to

the passage, there was as line that stuck out that undermines these conspiracy theories that people have been calling me about and e-mailing me about following what donald trump said, oh, covid is nothing more than a bad flu or doctors are paid extra to say that the person died of covid on death certificates. all of these crazy conspiracy theories suggest that covid does not exist. it's a scam. we get the statistic out of alabama. for the first time ever, more people died in the state alabama last year than were born. that shows you not only the scope of covid but also the tragedy of that population not getting vaccines in protecting

themselves. >> yeah, seeing that story is quite jarring. we have not learned from other countries but we seem to not have learned from other fellow states. it just seems to be too late and then even then there is the cognitive dissident where you are seeing communities that are largely affected. they are not a prevention. you rather not get sick and rather not end up in the hospital in the first place and that's why i think cognitive dissident has been really difficult for healthcare workers. joe, mika, i have been doing

this almost 18 months. it's so heartbreaking to see people approaching me elsewhere saying it's fake and you guys are making it up and having seen what goes on behind the walls in the hospitals, it's just heartbreaking. >> and it's gone way longer than it should have on so many levels. and now to this, non-covid patients are paying a price as hospitals continue to face an overwhelming number of covid cases due to the delta variant and low vaccination rates. just one example "propublica" reports a boy with abdominal pain, he was forced to wait for

hours due to high number of covid cases. more than six hours, the boy was diagnosed with an appendix burst and taken to the hospital that was half an hour away that was better equipped to perform pediatric surgeries. the boy's appendix bursts and fatal complications "propublica" reports. it's the non-covid-19 patients who have become collateral damage. they too need emergency care. the sheer number of covid cases is crowding them out. not only patients staying in the hospital or the icu longer, some research suggests that long waits for a bed will worsen their conditions and increase the the risk of deaths.

>> i am taking care of my mom and at times older people will become dehydrated or faint and you don't know if it's a stroke or many things that's happening. i have to make the decision do i take her to the hospital or do i wait this out because i don't know if she's going to get in and i don't want to expose her to covid. >> i know. and mika, to make it even worse, to show that overwhelmed hospital of patients waiting, hospitals are overwhelmed. this is happening around the world. everywhere where you are seeing a crisis of covid, you see healthcare workers getting

overwhelmed and not able to perform other care for other diseases. in the fall, we may have a pandemic and the flu season is coming up. get your flu shots. the cold season may make more for healthcare system. you can get the two vaccines or your first dose. you can get it with the flu shot and the cdc and that's going to help us protect you. >> doctor, thank you so much. we appreciate you being on this morning. last week ron desantis threatened to impose fines on local governments requiring employers being vaccinated. desantis says the fine is

$500,000. this comes after he signs a law in may preventing the government from requiring florida's employees to show proof of vaccinations. desantis seen his approval rating dropped since he pro sided over the country's worst covid-19 spike. joining us now is state attorney for palm beach county, david, first of all, can he do that? can he force people and fine them if they -- this seems to me that a vaccine can start a business if everyone is vaccinated. you want to have a mandate and don't businesses have a right to try to be open safely?

>> good morning, mika. that's why the federal court slapped him down. the passport law was unconstitutional because it got in the way of a private business to ask passengers a proof of vaccination. the question is whether he can use the same law to stop local governments from requiring its employees to get the vaccine. local governments are not scared by this. they are moving ahead of the governor. our office, for example, mika, is covered by the governor's order. we are telling people to get the vaccine. if you do, we'll give you a day off. if you don't, you got to get tested every week at your own expense. now our vaccination rate is 86%. so we are finding a way around the governor's order and notably the governor is not trying to get disney to stop vaccinations for their employees.

disney is a big time contributor in florida. if you pick a fight with a mouse, you are likely to get your teeth knocked out. >> disney is getting a pass from desantis, that's interesting. i want to circle back, dave to what dr. phdellha was talking about. you have people who do not have covid unable to be taken care at the hospital. you and i both have a doctor friend who has a friend of his own who was exhibiting signs of heart problems and heart attack. and he was outside of the hospital for five or six hours and could not get inside. we hear those stories time and time again. that's why when i hear somebody

saying oh, the vaccine, if i don't take the vaccine, that's my business. i am not hurting anybody else. >> tell that to doctors or people that are dying because they can't get into icus or emergency rooms. they are filled with unvaccinated americans. >> my body, my choice is the new mantra for the unvaccinated. earlier this year, governor desantis was pushing the vaccine especially when it came to our elderly residents but that has changed. he and other republican elected officials know that the anti-vaxers are making a big part of a political base and desantis is planning to run for president in 2024. yes, get the vaccine but that's done under his breath and in public he held a press conference next to a couple of antivaxers and one of them said the vaccine changes your mrn

and governor desantis said something to that. you can see his reelection next year is no longer certain and at the same time he's still selling anti-doctor fauci merge on his website. he's trying to get the maga base on his side telling them he's still the chosen one. >> wow. >> how interesting he's micro-targeting instead of doing something most floridians want. i think most of floridians want businesses and entrepreneurs to make decisions on how to keep their small businesses safe just

like they think local school boards should be able to make that decision instead of having to come down above. >> dave, thank you so much. as in florida and so too in texas, governor greg abbott is seeing his job's performance falling sharply. according to the new post, governor abbott's approval rating is sitting at 45% among texas voters. it was 59% prior to covid-19 pandemic. the 54% of texas voters say that the state is headed in the wrong direction compares to 44% who say the state is headed in the right direction. mika, this is sort of this conspiracy latent tax the governor is taken.

turning now to facebook which we have a really great talk about this on your podcast. last week we covered the in-depth wall street journal investigation found the social media giant is aware the toxic effect that instagram had on teenage girls. the journal writes, in five presentations over 18 months to this spring, researchers conducted what they call a teen mental health deep-dive and follow-up studies. they came to the conclusion that some of the problems were specific to instagram and not social media more broadly. in focus group, instagram employees heard directly from teens who were struggling. i felt like i had to fight to be considered pretty or visible. one teen says after looking at

photos, another teen told facebook researchers, it makes me feel insecure about my body eventhough i know i am skinny. facebook played down its effect in teens. instead of referencing their own data, showing the negative effects of instagram. facebook's executives and public point to oxford study shown little correlation between social media use and depression. our next guest have gone in-depth to break down the effect of social media on younger people.

joining us now john della volpe. >> john, thank you so much for being here today. we have all heard too much, too many times for middle schoolteachers and from high school teachers and students and colleges that anxiety and depression and suicides are on the rise and so many teachers instructors and principles and deans we talked to point back to instagram. what have you found? >> yes, joe, thanks for having me. i think this was one of the first platforms we discussed of the challenges of young people as a whole more than a few years ago. i have been talking to groups of young people for a few deades now, always asking the same

question. tell me about what it's like to be a teenager the america. how do you feel and how do you feel about the country? the words i hear today regardless of where i am in the city, i hear words like we are in a downward spiral. it's terrifying. folks are close minded and off the rail. when we dig in from a qualitative like we have several in the last harbor ipus survey. we are doing this because harvard students are interested. we find young women spend time on instagram and by the way, it's not just instagram but a lot of other social media, much more likely of serious concerns about as we are seeing in the data, self-image, personal relationships and feeling down or depressed. 61% of young women feel

depressed and anxious and hopeless. more than a third in the two-week prior to taking a survey, more than a few times have thoughts about suicide, self harm and other ways of harming yourself. there is no question that there is a correlation between time spent on social media platforms like instagram and those feeling depressed. 7,000 american families every year lose a child under the age of 25. not only from instagram but of the size of this epidemic we are dealing with. >> just to add this to this again of our own personal experiences with this, with our kids who have been battling. i remember bringing someone into my household to get a hold of, joe, of the social media my kids were on. it's not like you can take the

phone away if you have the phone for security reasons or whatever. they find a place and they find an account and they'll have one. i mean the pressure is out there. it's part of their world and if it's not their phone, it's on the computers and they're doing their work all night. there is this argument that it's the parent's fault and you don't let your kids be on instagram or don't let them have a facebook account if you don't like it. the way kids' lives are set up right now with schools are connected to computers and phones are connected to their entire lives, parents are left completely helpless. >> i am a big believer in telling your kids what to do and you expect them to do it. this is one area where you do that, there are so many work around. it seems even the best kids find their work around.

it's like tv was back in the '70s and '80s where we were growing up. this is becoming apart of their world and you look at what facebook is doing and instead of addressing this head on, they're talking about creating an app, an instagram app for younger girls. what impact will that are? >> we know what impact it will have. more than half of 18 or 24 year old girls are depressed. kids don't mature until the age of 25. corporations are designing to keep them on it by showing them things things they want to see but they probably don't is going to have a more potentially tragic results and consequences.

i think you're spot on when you make the comparison to tobacco. this is a corporation that has data and know it's harming the most vulnerable customers but on the other hand they are making butt-loads of money and at the end of the day, they're willing to cash those checks and ignore the mental health and suicide and the death that's occurring. it's hard enough to be a teenager today. when you add in social media and not just in terms of the fear of missing out and social relationships, we are not talking about the damage that it's doing to our democracy and the disarray that people are seeing driven by that. it's not just personal issues but other issues as well. we collected a lot of data from facebook, they are the least transparent and organization that i am familiar with, we used to have much more access as rep

researchers to facebook data. that was not identifidentified. that data as far as i know has been cut out from folks like us and so they have the answers to fix this but clearly they have chosen not to. >> we'll hold them accountable. >> director holding, john dell volpe. thank you. the highlights from last night's emmy awards as streaming services made quite a mark. you are watching "morning joe," we'll be right back. ♪♪ right back. ♪

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welcome back to the creative team behind the show "the crown" and the "dead lasso" are celebrating this morning. joe fryer has the details. >> reporter: the emmy goes to "the crown." its four seasons of the royal family finally won best doctor ma. >> making "the crown" has been the most rewarding years of my life. >> i lost my daddy during covid and he would have loved all of this. >> reporter: most were there in person. the show kicked off with a giant sing along. >> let me start by saying there are way too many of us in this little room.

>> reporter: led by host cedric, the entertainer. "ted lasso" won seven emmys. >> i want to thank folks at "snl" and jason sedacas just won. what's your message to jason? >> i was so happy to jason. >> he'll be coming back soon. >> jean smart grabs her third emmy. >> i would not be here without

him. >> reporter: the night also honored norm macdonald. >> i would like to pay tribute to the best we had. >> reporter: nominee of michael k. williams. >> michael, your excellence and artistry will endured. we love you. >> reporter: the night's most powerful speeches aimed at empowered women, kate winslet. >> michaela cole. >> i dedicate this story to every single survivor of sexual assaults. >> it's time for you to claim your power and sing your song and tell your stories. >> joining us now tv critic at "the washington post" who

provided live updates throughout's last night awards for online readers. looks like "ted lasso" casts really stood out. what really brought the attention to jason sudeikis and to soccer really? >> i think this was the show, this was the emmy-type of people wanted to celebrate what made them feel really good, started with a sing along and the chorus line was "tv, you got what i need," it's what people really needed to feel seen, i think "ted lasso" did that, i provided this model of masculinity that's calm and nurturing. that's something people felt they were missing the in here

lives which was the past year. i think people were excited for "ted lasso" to win. >> definitely, we were. >> tell us about the producing of the show given that we were not completely under covid. it looks different. >> yeah, they said there was going to be an outdoor venue and a production nightmare. there were some mic issues early on. it does not look like an outdoor venue. it looked a little claustrophobic, there were only 600 people allowed and everyone was required vaccinated and a negative test. it was a very fair set and there

is not a lot rapping going on. >> that's nothing against her. >> nothing is wrong with rita wilson. >> it's interesting you talked about ted lasso's nurturing and masculinity. it's a feel-good show that we need in 2021. you look at the three big winners of the night. "the crown," "ted lasso" and "queen gambit." it seems after ceremonies, i hear complaints from people that it gave awards to shows that i didn't know. it seems like mainstream shows were also played. everyone watching can feel like

they were apart of. >> yes. i think the emmys and oscars have gotten a lot of plaque over recent years of self-sabotaging, like you are rewarding too many load lead shows. there were all quarantine hits which i think was relevant. i can see a lot of grumbling from people saying i guess the tv academy only have watched three shows this past year because so much of the same show collected the awards and that's a completely valid criticism. it's a criticism that weighs too many artists color want. it was sad that michael k. williams did not get to take

home his lifetime achievement award especially playing omar. with the emmys, you grade on a curve. there were many preordained winner because everyone knew that "ted lasso" is going to win. for me it was good enough. >> thank you. "ted lasso" is still thrilling in my house. my question for you though, it seems this was an award show that really dominated by the streaming services. it used to be this is hbo's time to shine. is this going to be the template for emmy awards and as much as

streaming than broadcast shows? >> next year we'll see a succession sweep. don't discount hbo just yet. it was an important night for the streamers. it was netflix's first best drama and it was crazy to think about. they have been such a player for a long time and apple tv of course. it was a show that collected quite a few awards for jean smart and and the fact that's an hbo's max show is another win for streamers. whether it's going to be and going forward, i am not a fortune teller but you know. there were a few losses for streamers. "the hand maid's tale" went home

with nothing and it was nominated. and so yeah, there is some love for streamers especially a year where we are all stuck at home. is it going to be the same way next year? i don't know. >> i am wondering if we can roll back the talk so we can see rita wilson rapping. i don't know if it's possible. >> here we go. turn it up. ♪♪ >> love it. >> i am so confused. thank you so much, we really appreciate you coming on this morning. and on the topic of emmys. last night's david byrn's hit show took two emmys.

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the highest rate of covid-19 deaths. they also have the lowest vaccination rates in the country with less than 50% of eligible states residents fully vaccinated. tate reeves blasted the mandates. he was asked by cnn's jake tapper what he's going to do to stop the spread of virus. >> mississippi this week became the state with the worst number of coronavirus deaths per capita, in fact, if mississippi were its own country, you would be second in the world only to peru in terms of deaths per capita. that's a heartbreaking

statistic. with all due respect, governor, your way is failing. are you going to try to change anything to change this horrible statistic from what you are doing already? >> yes, obviously in mississippi, our legislatures is

with us. i'll get to you in a second. first, stuart, you're from mississippi. i lived in mississippi. my dad worked at lock he'd. i grew up a good chunk of time there. no people there. i'm just astounded that they elected a governor who calls dead mississippians lagging indicators, and suggests he's not going to do anything to make mississippi more than the second worst place in the world for per death -- per capita deaths from covid. it's astounding, but then again,

it's all too predictable in our former party, isn't it? >> yeah. there's been a lot of bad governors in mississippi. i think reeves is in a race to the bottom to be the worst governor. one of the things we thought as conservatives was a fundamental role of government, even limited government was to protect citizens. here you have tate reeves, elected to protect citizens. he's trying to justify it's not that bad that that many people died. as you said, the people who voted for you and now they're dead, lagging indicators. it's just astounding failure of leadership. what's happened is he won't stand up to the political base that tries to curry favor with donald trump by showing that you really don't care about covid and won't do what it takes. it's a moment for political courage. what you have is political

opportunism. >> i'm curious. tell me if you think i'm naive here. when i was in congress, i didn't like what newt gingrich was doing on spending and on some other things, and there were a group of us that -- well, ran him out of washington when he was the most powerful republican up there, and people asked how i was able to do it. i went to town hall meetings. all over the district. i talked to people. i explained to them one on one, this is what i'm doing. i know you don't agree with me, but just listen to me. i'm a conservative. and they all agreed by the end. i just put in the work. it shocks me that republicans can't do that in 2021. am i too naive here? could they not hold town hall meetings and go listen, this is why you need the vaccine.

this is why your kids need to wear masks to school. this won't be forever, but we're trying to save you, your family, your kids, your churches, your small businesses. i find it hard to believe that the republican base can't be persuaded. is it that different today than it was 25 years ago? >> yeah. i think it is that different. one of the fundamental realities is that tate reeves and most of these republicans will not admit publicly that the president of the united states was legally elected. so when you live in a that fantasy, it just empowers everybody who wants to live in a conspiracy world. and in a fantasy world. so it ultimately is about truth and facts. i mean, you saw on that clip where jake tapper was pointing out facts. the republican party, this is the party of kellyanne conway's alternative facts, where truth means nothing, and science as you well know, has been a --

something that has been increasingly of little relevance to the republican party. and this is where you end up. this is a logical conclusion of the denying facts, living in a conspiratorial world and trying to curry favor with donald trump who is a lunatic. you end up with a lot of dead and sick people, and it's a monumental failure. >> i want to talk about where the republican party, your former party is right now. a handful of things in the last couple days. we have anthony gonzalez announcing he will not seek reelection. he stood up to trump. we have the california recall which came close in 2003. you were involved with that. this time appointing a rather trumpian figure nowhere near enough to depose of the democratic sitting governor. mike pence, revelations of the new woodward and costa book that he was perhaps not as novel as we thought, and tried to do trump's bidding.

took a call from vice president quail to try to talk him out of it. and thankfully a small turnout at the rally in support of the insurrectionists of january 6th. right now where is the republican party? with covid exploding in a lot of states down south, where is this party now? where is it going? >> it's getting smaller and smaller and smaller. we have a party that number one, is giving instructions to the most ardent supporters that will kill them. if you believe this iteration of the republican party, it could cost you your life. your leaders, governors like the one in mississippi. what we've seen in alabama with more deaths in alabama than actual births in the last year. if you believe in this party, it could cost you your life. number two, if you are a woman in this country, this is a party that doesn't believe that your body is yours to command. that you have the right to make

decisions about your health. for all the things we hear from this party so-called liberty and freedom and their ridiculous defense of why we shouldn't take the vaccine, that seemingly doesn't apply if you're a woman wanting to make a health care decision for yourself. if you're a minority, you're labeled as the enemy, dirt, a drug dealer or rapist or criminal or a virus. the republican party is getting smaller and smaller. the republican party in california, 2003 during the recall that led to arnold schwarzenegger's election, that was a party that was fighting for the center. that was a party who chose an immigrant to be their standard bearer. he can get elect -- couldn't get past a primary in this iteration of the party. so as goes california, so goes the country. just as the california republican party became a shell of it and became a third party.

got wiped out of office statewide, lost control of the legislature. that is what's going to happen to the national republican party if they keep going down this path. >> kurt bardella, thank you very much. we'll read your recent columns. steven stewart, thank you as well. the book is "it was all a lie "out now in paperback. still ahead, former fda commissioner dr. scott gottlieb joins the conversation on the heels of this morning's breaking news. pfizer saying its covid vaccine works for children ages 5 to 11. we're back in one minute. in one when traders tell us how to make thinkorswim even better, we listen. like jack. he wanted a streamlined version he could access anywhere, no download necessary. and kim. she wanted to execute a pre-set trade strategy in seconds.

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max, of course. >> some of the standup last night from the host of the emmy awards cedric the entertainer as "ted lasso," "the crown," and the queens gambit all win top award. we'll have more on streaming's big night. >> we're looking at president bide within a key speech at the united nations assembly following a series of setbacks at home and abroad. and the latest with the pandemic. a stark development out of alabama where overall deaths in 2020 outnumbered births. a gap for the first time ever. good morning and welcome to "morning joe." it is monday, september 20th. president biden will address the united nations general assembly tomorrow. his first since taking office. it could amount to a major test of his presidency as some of america's closest allies look to see whether u.s. foreign policy

has really changed since donald trump left the white house. tomorrow's speech comes on the heels of a series of setbacks for the biden administration on friday. first, the pentagon announced that a drone strike targeting terrorists in afghanistan late last month mistakenly killed ten civilians including seven children. an fda advisory panel overwhelmingly voted against a proposal to give a third pfizer covid vaccine dose to the general population. the booster shot was only approved for seniors or high risk groups. and finally, france recalled its ambassador to the united states in protest over president biden's decision to provide nuclear power submarines to australia. we'll get into all of that. the trio of that headlines comes as the white house was hoping for a reset for the president after a tough august dominated

by the afghanistan pullout and rising covid cases. the administration had hoped to pivot back to his domestic agenda. which has been jeopardized by some members of his own party. white house aids have all discussed curtailing biden's travel after the u.n. speech amid fear that the president who received his second vaccine dose in january could risk exposure to the virus. with us, we have white house reporter for the associated press, jonathan lamire who was up way too early for us. u.s. national editor at the kwnl times, ed louis, and david ignatius joins us this morning. good to have all of you this morning. >> jonathan, friday afternoon you traced joe biden's problems just a dreadful hour or two that he's obviously going to be dealing with for some time. talk about those things that fell one after another against the president. >> sure.

first, it comes against the backdrop of a moment when the white house really as mika read from my story this weekend, they wanted to reset things. focus on the domestic agenda. they had a tough stretch there. the withdrawal from afghanistan, the evacuations became more of a success story, but the tumultuous images of the first day and the terrorist attack have dogged the white house to this point. even though public opinion still supports the withdrawal as a whole. and then we also have had a week's worth of rising covid cases. on friday as the president was going for a long weekend to get a break after his summer vacation was scuttled by the afghanistan crisis, three things happened within an hour of each other. stunning headlines one of another. first, the pentagon acknowledged the yes, a drone strike had not killed isis k fighters but civilians, including seven kids. it resulted in tragedy. second, the fda panel said that only seniors and only high risk

groups would be authorized for the third shot, the covid booster shot. the administration had hoped that all americans 16 and up would be declared eligible. and then lastly, yes, another escalation in what has become a rather tense situation with our oldest ally, france. the french recalled their ambassador to the u.s. over the deal, the u.s. and the uk made to supply australia with nuclear power submarines scutting the french's agreement with australia. tensions remain high. the president hoping to talk to macron. and now the president is coming to new york and the united nations this week. he's going to try to stabilize the situation. get the world to rally around vaccines and reassure the allies that look, just a few months ago when president biden was in europe, he met with european leaders who praised him as a return to stability. and now they're wondering if that's the case. >> david ignatius, the french

complained that friends don't treat friends the way the united states treated france. you look between the americans and the australians, and you see that the french were kept in the dark until the very end. that they were going to lose an extraordinary generous defense contract with the australians. and one wonders why this was handled the way it was. why our oldest ally wasn't let in on these discussions earlier. >> joe, i think this was a self-inflicted wound through the biden administration. the french should have understood that there was a problem with their $66 billion subcontract with australia. the australians had been complaining. the australian prime minister went to paris in june largely to

inform the french that these subs were too expensive and were underperforming. but i think the administration should have paid more attention to the fact that you can't have a coherent strategy if you're for asia, for the pacific, that doesn't in some way address europe and especially france. france has got island possessions there. it conducts freedom of navigation operations. it does all the things that we'd want an ally to do. i think that's part of why the french were so hurt and stung by this decision. they feel like their ally and they got dised, recalling their ambassador. i can't remember a time a french ambassador was recalled from washington. presumably the french are looking for president biden to say something when he calls the french president macron to reassure the french to in some way underline that they are a crucial ally to self, wounded

feelings. the reason this is important, joe, is it goes to the core thing that biden is selling the world, selling americans. that's that this is a competent administration that doesn't make mistakes. it rebuilds alliances and solves covid and goes right to the problem. it knows what to do. these are the fixers after the breakers of the biden -- of the trump administration. i think that's why last friday the series of things that jonathan lamire listed hurt so much, is because it goes to this core competence issue which biden's got to make more believable to americans, but also to the world. >> so ed loose, is this telling us a little bit about biden's foreign policy and focusing right on the problem? this seems to be all about china. >> yeah. it is all about china. i think the europeans in the early stages of the biden

administration when he said america was back, they were thinking of a more conventional transatlantic cold war world where they see america as the primary theater of action. where the indo pacific has always been biden's priority. china rivalry with china and maybe in a better world cooperation with china is america's number one foreign policy goal under biden. and that is very much a bipartisan consensus. i think with probably some european misreading of biden's priorities there, the biden administration's frustration with europe is that for the moment other than france, and i'm talking here about the european union, it doesn't really see the indo pacific in strategic terms. it sees the indo pacific and china as a commercial challenge, and germany wants to sell more of it products to china, and

that's germany's foreign policy priority. it should be really emphasized. germany has an election, a very important general election coming up this weekend. they've had three debates of the leaders of the party, including one last night in which this oddly named deal, australia uk/u.s. deal didn't come up. and the french protests that biden has insulted europe, didn't come up. so really the germans don't interpret a lost french contract as a lost european contract. they see it as a lost french contract. and i think that's going to limit the degree to which the french are able to -- the macro is going to be able to push more what he calls european strategic autonomy. it means nothing without the germans. it has to be paid for, but the germans don't seem to be interested. that's a french problem, but it's also a biden administration

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chiefs of staff mike mullens says there is nothing unusual about the reported conversations between general mark milley and his counterparts in china during the waning days of the trump administration. take a listen. >> having communications with

counterparts around the world is routine, and even having them now with china. i think it was also overseen, certainly listened to by many others. milley was not there by himself. what's a little bit alarming to me is that the chinese would read the situation as they did, as really chaotic and as if we were going to possibly strike. it's very clear, and i don't know this because i haven't talked to chairman milley. it's clear he had good intel this was the case, but the misread by china is worry someand speaks to the need to have open communications so we don't miscalculate. >> the milley conversations were revealed in the new book "peril" by veteran washington post reporters bob woodward and robert costa. the two will be joining us here on "morning joe" tomorrow. we look forward to that. >> that will be great. but you know, jonathan lamire, based on their reporting, it

wasn't just milley that was talking to his counterparts in other countries or china. there were four or five other principals, some of whom clothed themselves in the trumpiest of appearances that were quietly going behind the scenes, talking to their counterparts in china. >> certainly, and defense secretary esper encouraged such conversations. this underscores this real sense of instability and even fear among the highest levels in the trump administration about what the then president would do in the aftermath of the election, and then the january 6th insurrection. that of the number of people said they felt they saw decline in trump's behavior and stability. that he couldn't perhaps be trusted, and i think it's milley's point there where he not only warned the chinese but then told according to the book, his senior aides, said if a process starts where the president authorizes a nuclear

strike, that is the president's authority, but you need to make sure i'm part of the process, and he made them take an oath. he certainly did not. but yes, these are routine, may be a bit much, but not out of the ordinary conversations for u.s. officials to have with their counterparts. particularly a rivals like china. but certainly it does show concern as to where things were going nine months ago. >> it does. but, i mean, to act like this is some extraordinary moment for one american general to talk to his counterparts or for cia directors or for secretary of states to make sure that things are calm on the other side, that happens an awful lot, david ignatius, and in a column you wrote on this you said we seem to be missing the bigger point by just focusing on general

milley. >> well, that's it. two things, joe. first, i did some reporting to see just how often this kind of consultation happens with foreign nations. i came up with an almost identical example to what milley did it was done by his predecessor. in moscow they were jittery, worried there was an incident that would disrupt it deliberately. dunford called his counterpart and we ended up cancelling or delaying a nato exercise that had been planned for that time. this question of the larger group within the trump administration who were quietly and visibly really setting guardrails against erratic, dangerous actions by president trump, i think this remains one

of the real untold stories of the last couple months of the administration, but by my reporting, secretary of state mike pompeo, attorney general william barr were taking steps to make sure that the president didn't do things that would destabilize the country, that would put us in dangerous situations. the problem is -- i think every single thing that was done by those three people, by milley, were helpful for the country and our security. but under our constitution, these people didn't have authority to set their own policy. we have a strong executive branch in the constitution. we have a commander in chief. and you don't set up an alternative policy if you can imagine generals trying to decide, we know better than president biden. we're going to set guardrails for president widen. people would be offended. so there is a real constitutional issue here.

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dr. scott gottlieb is with us. his new book "uncontrolled spread" is out tomorrow. doctor, thank you so much. let's start with the breaking news today. younger kids can safely get the covid vaccines. tell us about it. >> well, look, the data is encouraging. it's going to be submitted to the fda very quickly. and subject to the fda's careful review of vaccine for children ages 5 to 11 could be available as soon as the end of october. this was a study in about 2200 children across five different countries. 90 different clinical trial sites examining of ten microgram dose. that's one-third the dose being used in the adult population in children over the age of 12. advisor evaluated three different doses. three different strains. and the reason they settled on this ten microgram dose is it struck the best balance between a robust immune response,

antibody levels with less vaccine related side effects like arm pain and fever. so the company wanted to find a dose that would be tolerable in young kids while still providing adequate efficacy. efficacy on par with what we were seeing in the older populations. hopefully this dose strikes that balance. fda has to make a careful review. assuming it takes anywhere from four to six weeks, a vaccine for children could be available as soon as the end of october. perhaps early november. >> that's great news. dr. gottlieb, your book, uncontrolled spread, it really does us a valuable service. you go behind the scenes. you're in contact with health providers also policy makers on all levels of the american government. and you describe in your book how one failure led to another

failure led to another failure and the government's response to covid-19. why were we so ill-prepared? >> look, i don't think we had the right agencies and the right capacities built before this pandemic. we had planned for a flu pandemic and tried to apply that model to a covid pandemic, to a coronavirus pandemic. some things were applicable, but a lot weren't. we wrongly assumed the cdc would be equipped to be able to deal with a public crisis in this magnitude and organize a national level response to a pandemic. and they're not the right organization. they don't have the right capacities. they're not a logistical organization. they have a retrospective mind set. they're used to collecting bespoke data feeds and engaging in careful modelling and putting out careful analysis that's often months in the making. you need realtime decision making. you need an agency that can service realtime information to

inform current policy decision making. that wasn't the cdc. and we really didn't have that kind of an agency. i think policy makers wrongly asouped cdc had this mission. cdc never raised their hand and said we don't. we stuck with it for too long. this was evidenced most clearly with the diagnostic tests. it was bungled by contaminating the diagnostic. even if they succeeded and gotten their tests working and managed to deploy it to the public health labs, there are 100 public health labs in this country, each capable of about 100 tests a day. that's 10,000 tests a day. that's a fraction of a fraction of what we needed early on in this crisis. we always needed to turn to private industry and the clinical labs. we didn't recognize that early enough. we were playing on an out dated play book. we need to do this differently going forward. >> so dr. gottlieb, i'm not

exactly sure i'd ask this in the next question i'd ask your questions. maybe we can sort through it together. so much of the story with covid in the beginning was donald trump's he luck -- reluctance to admit we had a serious problem. all things being equal, even if donald trump the first day said this is a serious problem, we have to throw everything we have at it, even if we had that president sitting in office on december 31st, 2020, or 2019, when the news trickled in to the administration, how different would it have been? would we -- i guess what i'm asking is systemically, were things so bad systemically that even with the right leader in place there, in my opinion, it still -- it still may have been a disaster? >> look, there are a lot of political mistakes made in the response to this crisis.

and a lot of missed opportunities. even if he had very good decision making. even if policy makers had good information, which they didn't, and made good decisions and stuck with it, had a coordinator response and tried to galvanize the country behind collective action in a sustained fashion which is what needed to happen at a political level, we still would have had a poor response to the crisis. there was systemic shortcomings in the response. there were systemic whoas that plagued our agencies. we didn't have the capacities we needed in a country that thought we had prepared adequately for a pandemic. had blueprints in place, we never really prepped for something of this magnitude, and we prepared for the wrong pathogen. we prepared for flus and thought they would be applicable in the setting of any kind of virus. they weren't. could the response have been better? surely it could have been, but we still would have had a failed respon in many respects because we had the wrong agencies, the

wrong capacities, the wrong culture in those institutions. we have to have a conversation about how to reinvigorate public health and invest cdc with new authorities and resources to ex -- execute this mission. a lot of consumers, i think a lot of americans have lost public health in decision making and they're going to be reluctant to give more power. we're going to convince them why we should have more power in the setting of a national public health crisis before we get to the conversation about how to execute the mission and reinvision gait the public health institutions. ten feet, six feet, three feet. why did it take us a year and a half to figure out people could be three feet apart if they're properly masked so we can open schools. the white house rejected the cdc's guidance that people should be ten feet apart. imagine that had come out.

people would have said the white house was interfering. we now know the six feet was arbitrary and it was the single costliest intervention, forcing a lot of schools to stay shut. readjudicated under rightful pressure from the biden administration when they wanted to reopen schools. >> doctor, good morning. congrats on the book. shifting back to the subject of vaccines, two questions. obviously great news for parents like myself who have children between ages 5 and 12. but, of course, there are kids younger than five. first, want to see if there's a rough sense or timetable as to when vaccines may be available. what's the latest? vaccines may be available for younger kids? and also wanted to get your reaction to the news that broke friday afternoon about the fda advisory panel rejecting the idea of covid booster vaccines for all americans instead

suggesting that for you it should be limited just to those years 65 years and up and those in high risk situations. >> yeah. for the younger kids, kids ages six months to four years, so the news today is about the vaccine for kids ages 5 to 11. so for six months to four years, pfizer is testing a three microgram dose. once again, they tested different doses and found a dose that's the lowest dose possible to provide an adequate immune response because you want to use as low a dose as possible to reduce the reacting y. the vaccine related side effects. that vaccine is being studied in a large global clinical trial. data could be available in november. pfizer, again, if data is turned over and is positive. pfizer could be in a position to file quickly with the fda. i think in a best case scenario given reasonable review period if they determine the vaccine is demonstrated to be safe and

effective for that population, you could see something available by the end of the year. it could slip into 2022. but that's moving along well also like the 5 to 11. people are motivated to enroll in clinical trials. they're enrolling quickly. with respect to the boosters, regulators want to take a more staged approach to making boosters available to the american population. right now the fda defined the population they think should be eligible as 65 and above and people at risk of severe covid. that's fairly broad. that's going to go to the cdc advisory committee. they could walk it down to a younger age group or provide more guidance around who would qualify. but i think what you're going to see is an authorization that somewhat follows the fda's guidance. then we'll collect more information nationally, and over time, if, in fact, a younger age population, people age 50 and above, ho and above, if it's demonstrated they could benefit from a booster in terms of

reducing severe disease, i think you're going to see public health authorities walk it down the age in a gradual fashion. that's not an imprudent way to approach it. making it available to the age that clearly has benefit. they're more at risk of a bad outcome from covid. you want to make sure they're protected first. that seems to be where public health authorities are headed. >> doctor, uncontrolled spread, you point out a few of the main problems were our government's response. you talk about how we failed to recognize the contagion early enough. you talked about how we failed to consider asymptomatic transmission, but the one that seems to be the greatest challenge especially for the next pandemic is when you said we assumed people would follow public health guidance. they always have. i mean, they always have for the

most part. getting children's vaccines before they go to school. you usually count on americans regardless of ideology, listening to their local doctors. that changed dramatically. how do we bend that curve back to where public health officials and doctors are trusted more than facebook pages? >> yeah. well, look, it gets back to the point of making the case. why public health authorities should be trusted in a setting of a crisis like this. i think trust has been lost. it also gets back to your original question about the political response. my book is heavily focussed on the systemic shortcomings, the structural features of government that made us vulnerable to the pandemic. i think where the political leadership failed the most was galvanizing the public behind a common set of principals and ideas on how we can get control of the pandemic. we were never going to be able to stop this pandemic. this virus was going to spread. it didn't need to be this bad. it didn't need to be this sharp this quickly. we didn't need to experience the

kind of epidemic we experienced early in the crisis. other countries got better control of their epidemics early on. we did not. i think this is where political leaders could have stepped up and tried to galvanize people. we couldn't agree on the easy stuff. things like getting the public vaccinated, that's going to be more difficult. when we can't even get a political consensus around the virtue of wearing masks public and private as a component of trying to reduce infection and protect fellow citizens, then we're behind the eight ball. that's where the political leadership could have done a better job. there was inconsistent messaging. the president took off his mask when he came home from the hospital while he was still infectious with the virus. that clearly sends a signal to the public that masks are imprudent. it makes -- it's counterproductive to what we were trying to do as public health officials. political leaders could have been more forceful and consistent and more impactful in

helping get a better response to the crisis. >> the new book is uncontrolled spread. why covid-19 crushed us and how we can defeat the next pandemic. former fda commissioner scott gottlieb, thank you as always. and thank you so much for the book. we greatly appreciate it. now to a story out of north dakota where some parents want to remove a member of a local school board because she supports kids wearing masks in schools. a pediatrician who joined the board in fargo last year to welcome fanfare. but now some are pushing for her recall because of her face mask recommendations. and doctor newman is with us now. she's a pediatrician at sanford health, one of the largest health systems in the united states. and the public health officer in fargo. thank you so much for being with us. jonathan lamire with the associated press has a question. jonathan? >> dr. newman, thank you for being here. walk us through this recall effort, if you will. what are parents saying to you?

what are residents saying to you? what objections are they voicing to this face mask mandate when it certainly seemed like for a time when you were on the school board that people were glad to have you there. they were glad to have your expertise be a presence. what changed? >> thank you for having me this morning. it's a pleasure to be here. i think that's a tricky question. i think that yeah, initially the community was very excited for me to step up and serve in this role, and i was happy to do it. last year there was a lot of dialogue around bringing children back to schools safely and trying to return to in-person learning. and we knew one of the ways to do that, among a layered approach was universal masking among many other things. and that's just over the summer months, i think become a bigger challenge. people's views on that have become a little more polarized. especially here locally.

and i think we're now fighting two pandemics. one of the hardest ones of misinformation. >> tell us the situation in your town right now. what are you seeing in terms of infections? particularly of children. but not limited to children. what else are you seeing in terms of being able to keep that school open, or have there been cases in the school that have forced closures or quarantines? just give us a state of play of covid-19 right now in your backyard. >> thank you. happy to do so. so i love my state. i love north dakota. i want our citizens to be safe. i want our children to be in school. and i want our businesses open and thriving. unfortunately, right now our state is 47th out of 50 for vaccine coverage. we just crossed the 50th percentile mark last week. and our adolescent vaccine rate is far worse. our 12 to 18-year-olds, we're sitting at about 28 .9%

vaccinated. not nearly enough high level population immunity we need. it's expected the delta variant surge will hit in the next two or three weeks our state. fortunately we have been able to pass some of these mitigations in schools, these decisions are left up to local school boards. so in fargo public schools we are having universal masking so our cases have been quite low. it will be having to see how the rest of the state plays out. >> dr. newman, this must be so surreal for you, again, get on the school board to much fanfare last year. you received a hero award from sanford health for your dedication and leadership in getting children safely back in school. and the local ymca even nominated you as woman of the year. now you find yourself entering school board meetings through the back door to avoid angry

parents. what is your message to them when they stand up shouting to you and think that this is part of some great conspiracy? >> thank you for the question. i will always do what i believe is safest and best for kids and i try to make those decisions as a physician based on data and evidence and not based on emotion. i think it's important for us in public health and in pediatrics to try to be a voice for children because they don't often have a voice in these situations, and one of the major fallouts we saw from this pandemic last year was the mental health effect of our children and that was a direct result of not being in school. we were all reminded of the many things that schools provide for our kids, nutrition, physical activity, access to the internet, access to adults that are checking in with them and when that all went away we all saw the devastating results of that and i'm looking to avoid that again, and if that takes temporarily having kids wear

face coverings until they can be safely vaccinated, i will always advocate for that. >> all right. dr. newman, thank you so much. great to have you here and also we certainly appreciate you being an advocate for the children of fargo. we really appreciate it. and now some breaking news. wall street is bracing for a rough start to the week. futures on the dow jones industrial average are down over 600 points right now. investors are eyeing the potential of a massive property default in china, among other cherns in the global markets. coming up, we've been talking about this morning the big winners from last night's prime time emmy awards. our next guest is drawing connections between the tv we watch and the way we live our lives. that conversation straight ahead. we're back in 90 seconds. d. we're back in s90econds

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to me. we all have our favorite shows from growing up, you know, but my favorite tv memory is sitting with my grandmother watching our programs together, and tonight it isn't just about the very best of this past year, it's all about the things that we love about television. now, some of y'all thought this celebration would be more subdued, kind of like an amy's light, but that's not the way this host treats his best friend. >> emmy host cedric the entertainer reflecting on the way television has shaped some of his favorite memories, most of us have those kind of memories as well obviously, which is why the "wall street journal" recently published a special collection of stories that look at the many ways that quality tv affects americans style choices. our interior design, vacation plans, cuisine routines and even the way we process our all too real work dramas.

with us now is the men's fashion editor at off duty for the "wall street journal," jacob gallagher, he's also writer of a weekly column on style trends for the paper. all right. so, jacob, i'm really old, i grew up watching with my parents "all in the family" and "happy days", "laverne and shirley." a little different these days when i sit down with my kids and watch ted lasso or "the crown." tell me how television is playing an even more active role in the shaping of fashion. >> i think in terms of fashion, you know, this whole concept of this package was on my mind this year because i'm having these conversations with people all year long, they're sitting at home, they're talking about what's inspiring them and all they keep talking about is what they're watching. you know, they are not going to stores, they are not out on the streets as much, they are not even seeing friends as much but they're watching "friends" and

they're watching seinfeld and watching ted lasso or watching shows like "succession" which don't leap out as being, you know, the most stylish shows necessarily, but they are something that people watch so much that it gets in their head and then they start thinking, you know, is chandler bing stylish? which is very funny because, you know, when "friends" ran the first time, when "seinfeld" ran the first time, these shows weren't considered stylish. it's this weird way that these things get reinterpreted and repackaged. those are shows from the past, but in terms of shows from today, the influence is really pervasive. we watch these shows for hours on end and they impact every aspect of our lives and that's really what we wanted to dive into with this package. this package looked at, you know, a show like "hatch" which is a show that is this kind of comedy, but we had a nice piece about how the interior design of

it kind of spoke to what the characters were supposed to be. how the kind of power the characters were supposed to come across. we don't really -- you know, television because it has so much power as a visual medium it carries a lot of weight to it and i think that tv more than any medium right now over the past year it just kind of has taken over our lives. the impact of it has trickled out over every facet of our lives really. >> i found it fascinating, you talk being how interior design actually filled gaps that a script may not handle. it tells the viewers -- it sends signals, some subliminal, some not so subliminal. >> absolutely. i think that's one of those things that tv, you know, we often talk about, you know, music or podcast and not to, of course, belittle those mediums at all, but i think the way that tv, you know, you get the audio and you get the visual as well and kind of, again, when

you're -- especially now the way that we binge watch things, you intake something over several hours and the way that it cycles through and you kind of have this -- it kind of washes over you over so many hours and, again, you know, i can really speak to you fashion the most because that's kind of my beat, that's my main area of expertise, but i think it is that weird psychological thing where you watch it for so long and you watch it for so many hours and you start to almost trick yourself in a certain way. you're like, are pleated khakis cool again? could a blousy button up be stylish again? you kind of have this weird psychological mind game that you play with yourself in this weird way. i think that that's kind of what has happened over the past year. you know, of course, there is a nostalgic element to it. like you mentioned, the shows that you were raised on, there's this -- a thing that we talk about a lot faux nostalgia. kids think that watching

"seinfeld" is nostalgic even though they weren't raised on t that is an element that is happening. something they didn't live through. you know, television we take comfort in it and then it kind of cycles back into our own lives again. >> what is old is new. thank you so much. the series is "how our tv obsession shapes how we eat, dress, travel and live." men's fashion editor of off duty at the "wall street journal," jacob gallagher, thank you for being with us. absolutely fascinating. that does it for this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. ♪♪ hi there, i'm stephanie ruhle, live at msnbc headquarters here in new york city. it is monday, september 20th and we start with breaking news. pfizer just coming out this morning announcing its covid vaccine is safe for children between 5 and 11 years old. can you hear the enthusiasm in