10:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc. that does it for me. ari will be back tomorrow. the readout with joy reid is next. have you seen "why the last man"? i have not. text me about it. >> yes, yes, it's an awesome show. >> please do. excellent. i love getting the recommendations. thank you my friend, appreciate it. cheers, everyone. good evening tonight. we begin the "reidout" with sharply competing values. today we got news pfizer's sack seen is safe children and the easing of travel restrictions for passengers. travelers need to show proof of

vaccination. it's a ray of hope for millions of american families and a common sense approach to travel as we stair down what looks more and more like a bifercated country. we're sure pasting the devastating flu of 1918 and driven by the tragedy unfolding in largely unvaccinated states like mississippi which currently has the highest covid death rate per capita in the country and if it were a zone country, miss -- mississippi would be tied for second. republican governor tate reeves tried to down play his own incompetence. >> as you know, unfortunately, fatalities is a lagging indicator when it comes to the virus, it is a lagging indicator and so timing has as much to do with that statistic that you used as anything else. the president will try to believe the delta variant is

only affecting republicans in the united states. that is not true. that is not a fact. move around the country and you're going to see fatalities rise in other states. we believe in personal responsibility, individual americans and individual mississippiens -- >> so you're not going to change anything. >> tate's attempt to explain away the mounting death toll in his state is a terrifying of the dark future or for unvccinated america. they appear to be willing to roll the dice and take their chances with mass death where republicans like mississippi governor tate reeves and florida's ron desantis and travelers denounce vaccine requirements and the right wing death cult takes full advantage with bogus conspiracies and appeals to a freedom culture that largely means people are free to die alone if they can get into an icu. case in point.

ohio state candidate josh mandel was tweeting that quote, you can't spell pandemic without dem or the breitbart columnist that argued the push for vaccinations is a trick to trick trump anti-vaxxers into dying because we know if we tell them to take it, they won't take it out of spite. if that's the case, please get vaccinated. we're begging you because meanwhile in california, which now has the lowest covid case rate per capita in the country, nearly 70% are partially or fully vaccinated and common sense measures like masking are adopted or vermont, the unmiss miswith the lowest death rate per capita in the u.s. and one of the highest vaccination rates at just under 80%. their tourism department is toting how safe from covid you'll be if you visit. because that is the other america. one that's refusing to just shrug off mass death and creep back into something that looks like normal life.

joining me now is a critical care pulmonologist on assign the with the air force reserves as an icu doctor in cincinnati and outpatient psychiatrist and founder of the physician support line. thank you both for being here. ly start with you dr. gupta. i don't know if you feel like that is a fair assessment of where we are because i reached the point where i think it's kind of impossible to argue people into saving their own lives and we just kind of have to figure out how we live with this kind of two americas where it's just a part of the country that's largely regional that will just continue to kind of be a covid hell scape for folks and part of the country like the northeast, like new england where they're kind of getting their normal lives back and california and places like that. >> joy, good evening. great to see you. here is what i'll say because we're moving across the country and military and reserve side and civilian docs because if

there is a crisis in miss mismiss, it's likely impacting urban areas. what is happening in montana and idaho, even washington is impacting the city of seattle and so it's just to say we're in a case right now, you know, joy, we've talked about this future state scenario of rationing care. it's happening regardless of the zip code and the challenge here is we don't have standards. in one zip code they might be using one frame work and another is totally different. do we prioritize youth and life expectancy or who made responsibility decisions to get vaccinated? this is where we're headed with cold and flu season and a per if he can swarm of other threats on the horizon. >> yeah, you know, people don't only get sick with covid. so hospitals are having to decide, you know, if somebody comes in who was hit by a bus or had a stroke or heart attack, they're in the same funnel with

the unvaccinated covid patients who they've all got to compete for these limited number of beds but i also wonder if you can talk about the limited amount of head space and brain space and space for compassion that also these patients are competing for because i got to imagine, look, doctors have a duty to treat but they don't have a duty to stay in their job. they don't have to stay working in the states where people don't care about covid and come in, all these unvaccinated cases. they can move. they can quit. they can leave. >> yes, joy, thank you so much for having me. they could do all of those things, but they won't. the positions who call the physician support line and talk to us about what they're going through, they talk about their frustration. they talk about that slow erosion of compassion that they're having over the course of this prolonged trama, really. but they won't leave.

and they'll talk to us about escape fantasies, about the desire to leave. as we all do, we all want this to be over and doctors are just as human as the patients they treat but they won't and that is the appeal that i think the physicians, thousands of physicians that call us on the line really want the public to know, which is we are here. we are doing the work, but in the end, we're only human and we don't know how this is going to end. >> dr. gupta, this crazy thing that we're seeing where you got sort of two banks of anti-vaxxers, you know, you've got the hard core people that made it a political, almost religious ferver that they will never get vaccinated. it will be a percentage of americans that will refuse. there are people that won't

vaccinate kids from measles. there will be a certain percentage that won't and people are afraid to or they just are mistrustful. i mean, there were people out, you know, protesting against the cdc this weekend, you know, people putting rapper nicki minaj's picture on an american flag and a lot of them didn't look like they were generally hip-hop fans but wrapped their arms around anyone who they think is going to give them backing in the idea that they're afraid to get vaccinated or refusing, even though she didn't say she would never get vaccinated but wrapping their arms around any cultural moment that will say i don't have to do it and i wonder how that plays out long term if people say i ain't doing it no matter what you say, i'm digging in. >> well, joy, you know, i agree in a sense doctors still have an obligation to treat through a hipocratic oath but of those unvaccinated to this day, the 70 million americans, there is

evidence 60% of them are reachable but joy, what is the critical block here. they don't have a trusted relationship with the medical provider and they want that one on one engagement. many people don't have durable access to health care so we're reckoning with the consequences of that specific issue that people don't actually have the ability to get questions answered in a way that will feel trustworthy to them, intimate. that's number one. i think this is the time for hard decisions. i don't see any reason why we shouldn't mandate the faa shouldn't mandate proof of vaccination to board a domestic air life flight for doing the same for our friends in europe and that's the change today. why not do the same here? we know one of the biggest things that being vaccinated is friction to travel. hard decisions should be made now. we shouldn't wait to pull that lever. too, other common sense stuff for the vaccinated, i hear two-shot modernas and one-shot

j&jars, why can't we get a booster pfizer shot. if we lead, booster or in and out, england and canada have great data. why are we picking and choosing? it should be all or none of it. >> yeah. i also find that some people are only learning by experience, personal experience. you had reverend jesse jackson vaccinated in january. his wife was up vaccinated. they both got covid. she ended up in intensive care and said no, i'm a believer now. she's calling herself a proproponent of vaccination and chris rock, comedian chris rock has come down with covid saying get vaccinated, y'all. sometimes people are being converted through experience. that does not feel like the most efficient way for people to learn this lesson is to get it and get sick and come close to death. it feels like that is the least efficient way but converting some people. i wonder what you make of that,

the near death conversions or really getting sick to make you a convert. >> right. this is an interesting conversation i've been having with other physicians. the trust that, you know, dr. gupta was talking about is really refining a shift in trust. it's more along the lines of that trust and meaningful relationships, which used to be about expertise and having that partnership with your physician has really changed over to who you, you know, you trust in terms of the way they live their life, about their choices, about their politics and in terms of, you know, who are the influ we think so -- influencers out there. we don't care where you get that information and as long as it is that, you know, it is thoughtfully put out there, i think what worried us about what was put out by nicki minaj and

maybe other celebrities is that it seemed to be discountful of evidence and in medicine, evidence based medicine is sound medicine. it has been studied and vetted and reviewed from so many different sources that it is the best information that you can get and it feels very much like that vetting and that is lost in the way people take their information nowadays. >> dr. gupta, look, one of the points ms. nicki minaj made is true. we don't have universal health care. states where people don't have a doctor where people can't get access to somebody that they can call and have a one on one intimate personal relationship with because they're in states that don't allow them to have health care. you have millions of people that don't have a doctor so there is nobody for them to call so they are listening more to what

they're seeing on social media, people they trust in bitter celebrities because they do not have this other relationship they can use. >> joy, i'm glad you brought that up. something important happened in may of 2020 we don't talk a lot about. before you speak to us through a smart phone, previously to access telemedicine, you needed broad band or computer, you had face-to-face interaction. that changed in may of 2020. you can pick up the phone and say hey, doc, i need a test. i don't feel well. we're moving back to where we were with telemedicine, regulations are moving back. they were temporary, we're moving back to get reimbursed, you need the broad band internet connection, face-to-face engagement. >> yeah, unfortunately then you have governors like, you know, kemp confusing, you know, saying

there is an aids vaccine and saying using his sort of moral authority because to say the aids vaccine never worked. there is no aids vaccine and he meant hpv. thank you so much. next, shocking scenes of border agents, seeing slave acts of the 1850s. congresswoman omar joins us and the case of gabby petito and what about the people of color and indigenous people that go missing? where is the blanket coverage of them? they're not your father's conspiracy theories just like jfk's assassination in the moon landing. there are new ones and they're dangerous. "the reidout" continues after this. "the reidout" continues after this now when it comes to a financial plan

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i want to show you unbelievable images shot near del rio, texas. a horse patrol for u.s. customs and border protection trying to corral human beings like cattle chasing after haitian migrants trying to cross into the united states. this seems far more reminiscent of slaves, not in 2021. the chief of the border patrol said they were using a technique to control their horses but would look into the matter. wow. okay. thanks. over the past few weeks, del rio faced a wave of migrants, about 15,000 people, mostly haitians have set up camp in the hopes that border patrol will allow their asylum requests. the local mayor declared a disaster to get state and federal assistance.

cording to "the guardian" most have arrived at the u.s. mexico border. it was made clear today that the border is indeed closed. >> we have reiterated our borders are not open and people should not make the dangerous journey. if you come to the united states illegally, you will be returned. >> yesterday the biden administration began expelling plane loads of refugees back to haiti and recall their president was assassinated. not to mention catastrophic natural disasters. give us your tire for those yearning to breathe free indeed. joining me is congresswoman omar. you tweeted as somebody that knows very well having been a refugee as a child how it feels to be that afraid. you tweeted these are human rights abuses plain and simple, cruel and humane and violation

of domestic and international law. this needs a course correction and the issuing of a clear directive how to humanely process asylum seekers at or borders. i want to read what the homeland of security released. we do not tolerate the abuse of migrants in our custody and we take these allegations seriously and u.s. customs and border protection responsibility is investigating the matter and has alerted the dhs office of inspector general. secretary directed personnel from the opr be on site to ensure the responsibilities of dhs personnel are executed with applicable policies and training and said he visited the del rio area and will have more to say. what do you make of that response and of what we're seeing? >> i mean, these kind of responses that doesn't actually follow the actions on the ground

that is so visible to everyone are not going to cut it. what we have seen was cruel, inhuman and violation of domestic laws and international laws, the right to seek asylum is an international right. i know this because i would not be here today if i wasn't able to seek asylum in the border of neighboring country kenya to see this kind of disturbing images at our border should really make every single american's skin crawl. we have seen americans show sympathy and empathy to people who were fleeing syria and call on the international world to get involved and do something

and now that it's happening in our border, the fact that we are not out reached is really shameful. i do hope that this administration does what they said they were going to do, which is to have a human immigration policy, one that grants, you know, the right for people to be able to seek asigh -- asylum. i heard people say many of the haitians that are at our border might not have grounds to seek asylum. these are people that have experienced a national disaster, which allows for people who experience that to seek asylum. they've also experienced political violence, political upheaval. they have experienced a crisis after crisis. we have also contributed to that. generations of haitians have

experienced american policy that has contributed to their starvation, to the criminalization that they are dealing with and to the inhumane policies that continue to destroy the lives of haitians so not only do we owe haitians the right thing of allowing them to seek asylum here, but we also owe them the kind of policies that would allow for them to dictate the ways in which they want to run their country. >> yeah, i mean, there is a lot going on here. so we know that the policy right now is to send people back including families who are not claiming asylum. there is something called title 42 that gives the government the ability to turn back any migrant regardless of the country ocho origin to stop the spread of covid-19 and that's something that the supreme court has upheld. they're essentially locking in

trump era policy on title 42. is there something that congress can do to intervene to make sure that what you're talking about actually happens for haitians as i have to commend administration for doing what aghan refugees, bringing people in. how do we get that same energy going for people from haiti? >> we need to have the same energy that we are dealing with afghans to deal with haitians. i don't obviously agree with this policy. we all spoke up against it including the president and the vice president when it was the policy under trump and i think it's really important while congress may not be able to come together unfortunately to do the right thing in this case for the president and the vice president and this administration to do right by haitians who are at our

border, i can't for the life of me understand why people would think deporting haitians who have come a long way makes sense or why that would be the humane thing to do so i want this president and this administration to grant then pardon because it is something they can do and so many other people are calling on them to do that, as well. >> a very quickly, i know funding for the government begins in the house. should we be looking at the budget of department of homeland security because i was not aware that whips, which come from the slave era, slavery era were part of the package that we issue to any sort of law enforcement or government sanctioned personnel. were you aware that that was being issued to people, that people had that kind of equipment on them they could use

on humans? >> i was not, and i am quite appalled. you know, when it comes to our immigration policy for so many years, cruelty has been very much embedded in it. there is obviously systemic racism and we've seen people come to the border and the fact we're dealing with mainly black migrants and black immigrants and asylum seekers at our border in this kind of way really speaks to the kind of racism, systemic racism and our policies. >> thank you for being here this evening and really quickly, make sure that in our previous segment, i mentioned chris rock coming down with covid. i was not implying he was not for getting vaccinated. i believe he is vaccinated. it might be a breakthrough case.

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if you've been watching the news for the past few days or on twitter or tiktok you're familiar with the name gabby petito. she was reported missing after her fiancee returned from their van life excursion without her. on sunday human remains believed to be petito's are believed ton

-- to be hers. an autopsy will be performed tomorrow to confirm. the pepito family deeverything -- deserves answers and justice. the way this story captivated the nation, why not the same media attention when people of color go missing? the answer has a name. missing white woman syndrome. the term coined by the late and great gwen eiffel to describe the media with missing white women like lacey peterson or natalee holloway ignoring cases of people of color. joining me is founder of not our native daughters, an organization that he quited for -- created for the murdered indigenous women and children. thank you both for being here. you know, i bring up this

because a friend of mine brought up this story about other people missing. there is one guy named daniel robinson. daniel robinson is a young back man 25 years old, 5'8", black hair, brown eyes is his description. his dad hired a private investigator to find him. he's missing part of an arm. he was last seen driving away from his job site in the buckeye, arizona desert on june 23rd. it's similar. he's missing in the same part of the world. it's a case that it has all of that same kind of sizzle, the sort of mystery of it. this young man who just goes missing. i never heard of it until this friend of mine sent it to me. and i guess, that's the issue, isn't it? >> it is definitely the issue and we have been sounding the alarm for nearly 14 years because of this when it comes to missing persons of color, men, women and children, our cases are not taken seriously and no

one is looking for us with we were to go missing. >> there is also, linette, this is an fbi poster. this is element one for my producers. this is someone named mary johnson. she's a native american woman that went missing from a reservation in washington state back in november of last year. i never heard of this case, either, and again, let's put up the statistics. in terms of the disparities in media coverage for run aways, a lot of minority children are classified as run aways. you have missing minority adults are often labeled as being associated with criminal involvement, gangs or drugs and desensitiization and believe they live in poverty as a regular part of their live sos sort of dismissed and that's from the black and missing foundation data. from your point of view, why is

it that indigenous missing, particularly women don't get that kind of attention? >> you know what? i think there are a lot of factors why there is a movement. one of the main factors and one of the key factors that a lot of people don't want to talk about is that it's racism. it's systemic racism. we're still fighting oppression in our triable communities. we are still facing inequality across the board, whether it becomes to our community, housing, jobs. i mean, you can pick any topic in any country and have an issue there. so it's no different when it comes to missing indigenous women and girls. >> there is a case to stay with you, there is a date line story about carly that disappeared in 2016. you were quoted in this story talking about her. it was so long ago obviously

during a presidential election year and a lot going on. how can we do better to get that same kind of attention? this isn't a young blonde white woman and so the media sort of lets it go. >> yeah, i think everyone plays a part. i think when we talk about, you know, we talk about law enforcement. we talk about media coverage. you know, if you don't have blonde hair and blue eyes, our stories don't make it to the 6:00 news. we barely get a story in the paper. however, i think it takes everyone coming to the table, addressing the issue, being accountable and making sure when somebody goes missing or murdered in our community, it's equally presented and have a sense of urgency. >> the same question to you, derika, i got to know the black and missing foundation and we connected with you all trying to find ways to boost these cases including using social media. give the media a little critique. what can we do differently and

better? >> you know, we can't always wait on the 5:00 and 10:00 news cycle. we have to get profiles out there. we have to tell the stories of our missing. one of the things we need to change the narrative on is the decision makers in the newsroom. majority of them are white men, middle-aged and our cases are just not sensational enough. and that we need to change the dynamics for law enforcement. these cases need to be taken seriously. so if you see a post of a missing person, don't just like it, we ask you to share it. just get that someone that's missing out of the washington d.c. doesn't mean they're in d.c. they could be in new york. they could be no boston in a matter of hours. we need everyone to be vigilant looking into the eyes of everyone they come across because they may hold the answer. >> yeah, has social media helped? it's so easy to share information because we have visual social media like instagram and twitter. has that made a difference in

your view? >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, before we were putting bright green and bright pink garage signs up to find our people within our community so social media played a huge role on getting that information throughout the nation and through different communities. it definitely helped us. >> yeah, and derika you made a great point. if the woman who is missing looks like your daughter or granddaughter and you're a newsroom executive, you'll gravitate more towards it and if this is the way these young women look, maybe they're not noticed as much. thank you-all for all you do and thank you for being here. tonight's absolute worst is still ahead as a sparsely attended proinsurrectionist rally sents a message about the on going threat of violent extremism. first, one year after the passing of supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg, the notorious rbg, a disheartening look where this new conservative stacked court is taking america.

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saturday marked one year since the great supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg passed away. what she fought for being threatened by the same court she served. it took weeks for republicans led by senator mitch mcconnell to install the federalist society approved amy coney barrett to rbg's seat solidifying the 6-3 supreme courtsupermajority, elections, i'm gages policy and allowing texas to move forward with the anti abortion law. if you ask rbg's successor, she

claims to a crowd last week that the supreme court is quote not comprised of partisan hacks. it's hard to take that seriously given she made the claim at the mcconnell center, at the university of louisville with none other than the evil doppleganger next to her. thank you for being here, erin, you wrote a piece ruth bader ginsburg death continues to reverberate as the abortion rights heat up. it was to subvert and undo her legacy with the amy coney barrett appointment. in your view, mission accomplished? >> listen, joy, you know, i think i can remember vividly a year ago, you know, all the mourning over her death and democrats fearing what the

absence of justice ginsburg would mean for the court. remember those donations to democratic candidates were pouring in because voters were galvanizing their grief into action. the damage was already done, right? president trump did what he promised he'd do for voters which is to create a conservative super majority that could rollback many of the most progressive gains of the 20th century whether voter rights, abortion, affirmative action and other things that liberal voters hold dear. so a year later, the folks i talked to for the story on 19th news.org, we're seeing the concerns realized. voting rights are under attack and finding no safe harbor in re versus wade which is a 50-year precedent in place hangs in the balance and its fate will be tested and new and we learned with a case out of mississippi bans of abortions at 15 weeks. these are the stakes and, you

know, it is unclear, you know, what the court is going to do but certainly, the fears of what people thought would happen have been accelerated in justice ginsburg absence. >> indeed. the republicans don't have a whole lot of worry about sort of shame or embarrassment. lindsey graham said on tape like multiple times, you know, if the same situation that happened with merrick garland happened in reverse, there is no way that we're going to go ahead and still try to confirm a justice and then pretended he never said that because he said quote me on that and people did and he went so. it seems like the justices are a slightly different kind of republican. you had, you know, not just amy coney barrett but clearance thomas and briar go and insist, insist, no, they're not political at all but it does seem the theme of the current court is repeal the 20th century and they're doing it.

>> yeah, you can always tell that the court is incredibly anxious when they're all on the same message across ideological spectrum, they're saying we're not partisan. we're just balls and strikes all the way down. that's a good signal. that's their tale but they're freaking out. what they're freaking out about is the polling that came out last week shows the supreme court with the lowest approval rating we've seen, i think ever but certainly in my 20 year career and they have no power to enforce their rulings, right? the papers say not the course or the sort. the power they have is the belief they are a court and when they behave the way they behave and i think erin makes this point, initially in the mississippi case all they ask for is fatal pain as soon as amy

coney barrett, strike down roe. take it down. that's your tale. they're making hay while the sunshine is out and telling us they're not doing the thing they're doing because they know that the only power they have is that we continue to believe that they're made of magic. >> well, and the thing is, erin, you know, adam put it well and tweeted they want to do their politics but have legitimacy. they want their reputations while they do what they said they're going to do. the five of these justices were appointed by presidents who did not win the popular vote in their initial election. george w. bush didn't win it the second time. five of them. they already come to the table with a sense that these are republicans who were appointed specifically to import promises that people like george w. bush made. george w. bush promised i'll get rid of roe. it's been an on going promise by

republican presidents. i wonder as you talk with people about the court, what does it mean their legitimacy is the lowest it's ever been? >> well, you know, i think especially the the black women voters that i talk to, you know, they were aware of the stakes of this election, particularly as it pertained to the supreme court. i think that is why you saw president biden making that campaign, that debate stage promise, right, to appoint -- or to nominate a black woman to the supreme court, which would be a first, you know, assuming that woman, whoever she is, is confirmed. so, you know, there's this pressure that's being put on justice stephen breyer who turned 83 last month to retire. not necessarily in the way justice ginsburg was pressured i would say during president obama's term, but he is being pressured. it will be interesting to see if the calls grow louder for that to happen because this is a

thing that black women were certainly motivated to vote for, and given, you know, the direction that things are going on issues that they care about -- >> yeah. >> -- i would not be surprised if the calls grow louder. >> and the calls, dahlia, to expand the court. this is something that's come up since the presidential campaign of 2020. how real are those calls, how realistic is it that you could happen? >> i think the fact that we have a commission that is thinking about thinking about it, that is not actually tasked with even making recommendations suggested to a lot of people on both sides that the energy for court expansion or other major structural reforms is not there. i think some of what we're seeing including mitch mcconnell simply crowing that if they take the senate they will not install anybody in the court, you know, in 2024, possibly in 2023, and also i think just what we're seeing at the court, an emboldened court that was going to get this mississippi case in

december but they did it in september. >> yeah. >> that's what you are seeing, i think. very emboldened. a sense of this is not a real threat. >> well, yeah, and they are, but they are real politicians. they are real right-wing politicians i don't care what they say in their speeches. thank you very much. don't go fooled, this week's pro insurrection rally may have looked like a complete flop, but violent extremists are still out there organizing. we will be right back. are you tired of clean clothes that just don't smell clean? downy unstopables in-wash scent boosters keep your laundry smelling fresh way longer than detergent alone. if you want laundry to smell fresh for weeks, make sure you have downy unstopables in-wash scent boosters. i've got moderate to severe plaque psoriasis.

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as many predicted the rally in support of the jailed insurrectionists in washington, d.c. this weekend was largely a bust. it lasted less than 90 minutes from start to finish and as expected the turnout was relatively meager. in fact, the roughly 400 people were far out numbered by law enforcement. let's not forget it is not the size of their turnout that matters. it is the danger of their ideas. those ideas have already taken

hold. as nbc news reports, one attendee at the rally named lori smith said she opposed the storming of the capitol, but at the same time she made this unbelievable statement. she said if a nuclear bomb dropped on the capitol building i would celebrate. i'm going to go out on a limb here and say if you are in favor of nuking your own capitol you don't really oppose the siege of january 6th. but that's the kind of thinking that permeated the rank and file of the republican party and does so at this point. to that point cbs sunday morning aired an illuminating segment this weekend on a popular tourist destination in north carolina, the site of mayberry, a replica of the "andy griffith" town. it attracts many who chase the illusion of a simpler time. as ted coppola found many of the visitors were firm believers in

another work of fiction, this one by donald trump. >> how many of you think we had a fair election? >> no way. >> i saw two hands go up. is it fair to say the rest of you think that it was not a fair election? >> no, it wasn't. >> it was not. >> tell me what you think happened on january 6th at congress? >> they showed truck loads of people that they were bringing in for this. it was all staged, and that's how that started. >> we don't even watch the news on tv anymore. we don't feel like we are being told the truth. >> no. >> and we find our truth in other ways. >> wow. it is all staged. it is all staged. it is all made up. they brought them in. wow. well, that's proof if you needed it of how firmly rooted the big lie has become, at least among a certain slice of the american public. democrats may never, ever disabuse republican voters like the ones that you just saw of that notion, which is effectively now baked in to their psyche at this point. it is just part of them.

but these aren't like the people who believe the moon landing never happened or that, you know, jfk wasn't killed by a lone gunman. the big lie is far more corrosive and it is still enabling donald trump to subvert our democratic institutions. even now ten months after the election, he's again asking georgia secretary of state to decertify their election results from last year. he's promoting a slate of handpicked candidates for secretary of state, in crucial battlegrounds where he could in theory count on them to change the results of a future election in his favor. he's generated such hostility toward election officials that even volunteer poll workers now need their own legal defense committee, not to mention security details. we now know for republicans the insurrection clearly wasn't the wake-up call it should have been. it was a rallying cry. so while people can choose to believe whatever falsehoods they want, democrats need to protect free and fair elections so the rest of us can continue to live in a democracy.

all of this is to say that the big lie is and always has been the absolute worst. our system of government still hangs in the balance. that is tonight's reidout. be sure to check out "the reidout" blog for the qanon conspiracy theorist who is trying to become the secretary of state in arizona, if you can believe that. "all in with chris hayes" starts now. tonight on "all in" -- >> the question here is not about what we do in mississippi. it is what this president is trying to impose upon the american worker. >> as the covid death rate grows, republican governors of the worst hot spots continue to play politics. tonight the real reasons behind their resistance. then the big news from pfizer on a vaccine for kids. what it means for school-age children and their parents. plus -- >> some fear your own base which in and of itself is an credible and sad thought. >> the rising threat of violence against