it is great to be with you. i'm com jeff bennett. i'm coming to you from new york today. the united states is no longer at war with afghanistan, but laying out the monumental challenges that confront quite frankly every country on the planet, president biden pointed out these wars cannot be won or lost in the old ways, and that

we must all band together for the sake of humanity itself. >> today many of the concerns cannot be solved or even addressed through the force of arms. bombs and bullets cannot defend against covid-19 or its future variants. to fight this pandemic we need a collective act of science and political will. ending this pandemic, addressing the climate crisis, managing the shifts in global power dynamics, shaping the roles of the world on vital issues like trade, cyber, and emerging technologies, and facing the threat of terrorism as it stands today. where we apply and strengthen the core tenets of the international system, including the charter and declaration of human rights as we seek to shape the emergence of new technologies and deter new threats.

or will we allow those universal principles to be trampled and twisted in the pursuit of naked political power? simply put, we stand in inflection point in history. >> an inflection point and also a threatening point in the u.s., with seeking relationships with other men, he must shake things in a new era. joining me, michelle alcindor, amma lavaz and barry mccaffrey. misha, i'll start with you.

this was in defense of his world view and what he sees as america's place in the world. connect his speech, the rhetoric, to the work that a awaits on covid and on climate change. >> president biden, on this unique speech, came with the details, foreign and domestic, facing his white house. he saw the theme of america being back and being back is with an end to war and a threat to diplomacy. he also talked about human dignity and the idea we have to be helping other countries. but he's talking about these things while the challenges are right here at his doorstep. let's talk about the fact that america just a few weeks ago had to admit we killed civilians as we were leaving that chaotic evacuation from afghanistan. he also gave this speech while there are thousands of haitian

migrants, some of them having whips and border patrol agents on horseback are menacing them. this is a challenge that really has now led to so much fierce backlash from this biden administration, something they're trying to balance as they say they're not going to be looking into temporarily trying to give some sort of status into those haitian migrants. president biden was giving this speech, really giving it to history saying, yes, this will be a new phase of the biden administration, but he was also doing it as a defense, even with all the turmoil that we have, that he still feels his world view is best for america and for the u.n. >> the u.s. is trying to reassert itself on the world stage. there's been a lot of realign. realign.ment on the world stage. rhetoric is one thing and rhetoric should be praised as warranted, but practically, will

the world be receptive, do you think, as they come back to the table? >> that's one of the big arguments to make. if you're in world leadership on the pandemic, on combatting information, on climate change, democratic values, there is really no better way to make that point and drawing that distinction than by following balsanora who has denied climate change, has registered a coup. that's language we've heard from president biden, but that's commensurate with these kinds of speeches. we've covered a lot of general assembly nations in the past, the dawning of a decade, an inflection point in history and a new diplomacy. that from diplomatic sources i've talked to is a very welcome message, but that reassertion is

coming after a bit of a void on some of these issues. so the rest of the world was absolutely watching when a number of violent insurrectionists stormed the u.s. capitol to try to overthrow a democratic election. they know about the problems of misinformation the u.s. faces from back home. they've been watching as the u.s. leads the world on covid hospitalizations and deaths. even as they lead the world with democracies. and they've been watching with fractures with the u.k. when it came to the way america was withdrawing from the war in afghanistan, and now trying to counter china in some ways. there is a message from the biden administration, a new chapter, a new era of leadership, but that's coming in the infrastructure with some skepticism among allies in the rest of the world. >> general mccaffrey, i want to

bring you in here and talk about the president's view of defense policy. we must make clear to our audience that when you retired, you were the most decorated five-star general, having served four combat tours and having received three purple heart medals from battle. what struck you when you heard president biden reimagining national security policy as a matter of diplomacy and development with defense as a last resort? >> well, it's a welcome relief to hear rational, civil policy from president biden, comprehensive, well delivered. he sounds like aristotle compared to the embarrassment we suffered over the last four years. the ability to demonstrate anything in this biterly divided

society is limited, particularly on covid. i think the other thing is we should no longer overstate we're no longer a war after 20 years. the so-called war on terror continues in iraq, afghanistan, syria, the threats from iran, a growing massive confrontation, economic, political and military with china. these are concerns that aren't going to go away. it was a great session for the u.n., but we ought to be cautious about the continuing threat to america. >> and, general, drawing on your vast diplomatic experience, when the president talks about china in saying that we need to keep pace with autocracies and compete with them, how does that work when china is a foe and yet we need to work with them on climate change.

how does that work in a practical sense? >> the huge issue in the background is climate change. you can't begin to address that with china, indonesia, africa, where they're heating with coal and cooking forests. i would set that one aside. that is the most significant challenge facing the united states. in china we actually have a problem. it's a gigantic, sophisticated, complex, growing economic power, arguably the number two power in the world, and it's made a 15-year attempt to build a global dominating naval and air-powered force to control the western pacific in particular. and so, you know, if we want diplomacy and engagement to work, it has to be backed up by significant deterrent military

power, and we're not doing that. >> diplomacy backed up by deterrence. general mccaffrey, all of you, thank you. covid and climate change. while it may take over a year to vaccinate much of the world, the process has already started. but in climate change leaders across the political spectrum are sounding the alarm more urgently than ever. in an interview with my colleague savannah guthrie, boris johnson said on the issue of climate change, most countries don't have the kinds of disagreements among political parties like we have here in the u.s. joining us now from new york is michael reagan. good to have you with us. >> good to be here. >> the president talked about this $100 billion climate change

in developing nations. how will that work and will that money make a dent when you have a country like china, as you know, the world's largest in greenhouse gases, they haven't even made a commitment to cutting those emissions under the paris climate agreement? >> i think the most vulnerable communities across the world will make a dent. this is an opportunity. this is a shot in the arm for the globe to really respond to this code red moment. so the president has it right. he's thinking about what we need to do domestically here at home to make our sales globally competitive, create jobs, create a more resilient infrastructure and reduce our vulnerabilities to climate change, but he also understands that america is a world leader, and we have to step it up and also ensure that not only do we protect our most vulnerable here at home, but we make sure we're protecting our most vulnerable across the world. >> when you talk about climate policy here at home, so much of the restriction of climate policy is baked into that

reconciliation bill, that $3.25 trillion bill on social spending. is there a fear if that gets stuck in the gears of congress that it will be harder for the president to account? >> i think the president has a number of tools in his tool box. the reality is we need to put all our tools to work if we're going to meet this moment. yes, the president wants the bipartisan infrastructure deal. there are important measures in the budget reconciliation, but he's not waiting for those tools. he's got executive powers, and we as agency heads, we have statutory authority. we're moving forward to regulate hscs, we're going to put a more stringent regulation on the oil and gas industry coming out soon. we're regulating tailpipes from transformation, and we're not

limiting policies on the hill, but we do recognize that you want the public, private partnership to bring technologies off the sidelines, invest right now so that we can mitigate climate change and be prepared for what's coming. >> how do you do that in an equitable way? i think people watching at home, they do care about climate change on a global scale, but they also care about basic stuff. people in rural areas who live off of well water and want to make sure that well water is not polluted by pesticides. you have people in urban areas, especially in black and brown and indigenous communities, suffer proportionately from pollution. there is an area not too far from where president biden lives and there sits a highway and a chemical plant. i would just drive through that community and think there is something like this in every city. what does the epa think about

that? >> the eps just put inequities around areas that the black, brown and indigenous face. we're looking at our regulations, our policies, our contracting, our procurement through the lens of regulation. the bipartisan deal, over $60 million for infrastructure. most of those are in our black and brown communities. so everything we do will be done through the lens of equity and environmental justice, which is why we need congress to act. >> president biden boarded air force one on his way back to washington, d.c. is there more the administration can do to push back climate change, help combat climate change in the private sector? you already have things like coffee shops not using straws

anymore, you have supermarkets not using plastic bags. everything from that to automakers investing more heavily in electric vehicles. they're not waiting much for congress to do anything, they're already doing that. >> that's right. everyone understands the severity of climate change and climate change impacts, but the business community understands the economic developments and the jobs that are associated with a clean energy economy. that's why they're moving forward. they're moving forward to protect their communities, but they're moving forward to also protect their revenue streams. what we need to do is bring the stakeholders to the table, have robust conversations and have congress really set the rules engagement. we need to get this down the road to the people. >> thank you. >> thank you, jeff. the country revealing its data on booster shots. what does it mean for the 14

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we finally have the news that the 14 million people who got the johnson & johnson covid vaccine they've been waiting for. johnson & johnson said the vaccine holds up against new covid variants, and the data also shows that a second shot, a booster shot, would increase its effectiveness even more against moderate to severe forms of a disease. now, this comes as the country's health experts continue to debate the use of boosters among the general public and as deaths from covid-19 continue to rise in the u.s. the virus has now killed more americans than that of the 1918 spanish flu. experts project another 100,000 people could die of covid between now and the end of the year. dire stuff. all right, joining us now is nbc news correspondent allison barber who is in des moines,

iowa, and a rheumatologist. welcome to you both. allison, they are reporting that someone is testing positive for covid-19 about once every 60 seconds in that state. how do you think it is affecting families there? >> reporter: we met one family who thought they were doing everything right. they got vaccinated as soon as they were eligible at the beginning of the year. they decided to attend an indoor gathering where there weren't any covid protocols because they figured they were fully vaccinated and they would be fine. but shortly after attending that gathering, they found out from other people there that about a dozen people had tested positive for covid-19. she and her husband gary both tested positive for covid-19. both of them had preexisting conditions. ardith survived her fight with covid-19 but her husband gary

did not. she and her family, they are convinced that if people around gary, around them at that indoor gathering had been fully vaccinated or had been wearing face masks, something to protect each other, keep the germs at bay, that gary would still be here today. they're tying to use his story, his obituary, to get that message out. in his obituary they wrote this in part, quote, gary's life was unnecessarily cut short. he was one of several victims recently infected from an unmasked, unvaccinated person. here's more of what his wife ardith told us. >> he had so much more to give, so much more to teach the world. a baby grandson that was born after he died. that's what he's missing. if one person hears this and says, you know what? i think i'm going to get

vaccinated, it's worth whatever we're all going through. it's not worth his death, but since we can't change that fact, we can't bring him back, no matter what we do, but if we can make an impact on somebody, then we'll continue to do so. >> reporter: gary and his wife finished their vaccination series in february. they were both vaccinated with the moderna vaccine. gary passed away on august 11th. obviously death among people who are vaccinated is very rare, and, jeff, when i was talking to ardith and i asked her if she ever had a moment where she thought, why did we get vaccinated when we got this, anyway, she cut me off and said, no, the fact she's still alive says the vaccine works because she has asthma.

everyone thought she would be the one not to make it, so while her husband did not make it and she did, she thinks the vaccine works. they think the people around them caused it. >> dr. azar, what's the science behind this? breakthrough infections among those who are vaccinated. is it dangerous? how dangerous is it for the vaccinated and the unvaccinated to mingle? >> look, i think the take-home messages here are a couple. one is that we know that still the vast majority of hospitalizations and deaths will occur in the unvaccinated, but this is, you know, a word to the wise that if you are older and you have underlying medical conditions, maybe some of them, even, which could influence your immune response to the vaccine, then you aren't really as

protected as a designated, fully vaccinated person who is, let's say, 35 years old with no underlying medical conditions. to the question about the commingling, yes, you are putting yourself at risk if you are mingling with unvaccinated folks. we know that, yes, you can still transmit if you're vaccinated, but because the viral load generally is lower in a vaccinated person and they're infectious for a shorter period of time, we do still believe that you are less likely to transmit if you are fully vaccinated than if you are unvaccinated, jeff. >> dr. natalie azar and allison barber, thank you, allison, for that reporting and dr. azar, for that clarification. they appear to be using horse whips on migrants at the southern border.

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what i saw depicted about those individuals on horseback treating human beings the way they were is horrible, and i fully support what is happening right now which is a thorough investigation into exactly what is going on there.

but human beings should never be treated that way. >> that was the first on-camera response by vice president kamala harris to startling new allegations against border patrol officers amid a surge of haitian refugees at the southern border. these images out of texas show border patrol officers on horseback appearing to be using a long whip as a method of crowd control. it also appears the officers are charging their horses at children. they are currently investigating the situation, as you heard the vice president say. refugees, mostly haitian, gathered under a bridge in del rio, texas. some have already been deported back to haiti. some have called this home for years, if not a decade. one from haiti being deported

back to haiti said, quote, they treated us terribly. they didn't even give me an interview with an immigration agent. what am i going to do? i don't even know this country anymore. with us is correspondent morgan chesky. we know this horseback border patrol using whips is being looked into. has there been a procedure since these images surfaced? >> reporter: jeff, we have asked those questions. we have yet to hear back. we're told border patrol agents are not equipped with whips, so why they're on horseback patrol, which is pretty common because some vehicles cannot get to some of the rough terrain on this texas-mexico border, it appears those were the split reins of the rider's horse he was

handling there. they are long to control the horse. they can be used in an aggressive manner, and that is why this is under investigation, the secretary promising to have a much deeper look there. as far as whether or not this will change any tactics in border patrol, that remains to be seen. we do know that this incident took place saturday evening, and that is when we saw the incredible arrival of hundreds of border patrol agents, hundreds of texas state troopers who sealed off the border after days of crossings by the haitian migrants whose population at that point underneath the bridge had swelled to 15,000. at last check the del rio mayor tells me it's about 9,000 people still there, and i did have a chance to speak to one gentleman, a 25-year-old haitian man named darnay, who left from under the bridge after being there nearly a week, and he was taken to a nearby shelter where he was finally able to get some food, water and clean up before

a bus ride to houston. i posed the question to him. he was traveling, by the way, with his pregnant wife. i said, what happens if you go back to haiti? take a listen. how is haiti right now? >> it's terrible. all over the streets people with guns. it's terrible. very, very terrible. >> reporter: if you were sent back there, what would happen? >> i would probably die because living in haiti, you can live today and you don't know about tomorrow. >> reporter: and you hear his words there, heartbreaking. you don't know about tomorrow. he did tell me he believes he will be able to stay in the united states. he has family in brooklyn that he'll stay with while that asylum case goes through. his wife expecting a child here in the next few months. jeff? >> morgan chesky, thank you so much for that live update there in del rio, texas.

let's go to correspondent julia ainsley. julia, you have new reporting that there is a new group of 20,000 migrants gathering in columbia that may make a similar trip to the border. what do you know about this group? >> they are monitoring this group. they have a massed in columbia with the intent to potentially come to the united states. that's normally what happens when we see a large group. there is a caravan in the past in places like central america, and then it can take a long time to come to the united states. but, jeff, as you and i have talked about before, this group of haitians got here much more quickly than dhs was expecting or prepared for, mainly because so many of them took buses through mexico. now dhs is trying to do a better job monitoring these groups and figuring out who might be next. but what it means is that for people who are assembled in columbia, there are also smaller

groups in peru and canada, they may be the migrants who left haiti, oftentimes years ago, but feel they have no place to go back to, their economic opportunities have dried up, so they're eyeing the united states. i think they're keeping a close eye at what's happening on the border right now and trying to decide whether it's worth the risk. >> and i'm wondering who paid for these buses from haiti to mexico. the fbi believes they've located gabby petito's body in grand teton national forest and their working to prove that. her fiance has disappeared. >> reporter: authorities searching for evidence in the gabby petito case while trying to track down her fiance, brian

laundrie, who has been missing for a week. on monday agents scoured the florida home of brian's parents, where gabby and brian also lived, declaring it a crime scene. the family escorted from the house as investigators took photos in the backyard around a storage shed, even towing a vehicle from the driveway. authorities suspended a search in a dense wildlife area where laundrie's family told them brian went for a hike last tuesday. just days later, a body believed to be petpetito's was discoveren wyoming. >> we continue to seek information from anyone who utilized the spread creek area between the dates of august 7 and august 30. anyone who may have had contact with gabby or her boyfriend. >> my plan for today is to just hang out. >> reporter: the couple had spent months on the road together, posting upbeat content on social media about their van life adventure. but on august 12, witnesses in utah called 911, reporting a

dispute. >> we drove by and a gentleman was slapping the girl. >> reporter: a short time later, footage from police body cameras caught petito appearing distraught. >> he wouldn't help me in the car before. >> reporter: according to an affidavit filed by police, a police officer in utah described it as a mental health crisis, not a domestic assault. the clues spread nationwide, with people posting them online. including on tiktok where the gabby petito case has gone viral, viewed more than 500,000 times. brian laundrie has not reached out to gabby petito's family in any way, including her father who sat down on "dateline."

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dr. alan braid of san antonio. dr. braid revealed in a "washington post" op-ed that he defied the law because he believes he has a, quote, duty of care to all patients who come to him. he is being sued by two strangers. don't forget, this law offers up to a $10,000 bounty for successful lawsuits against anyone who deies it. one lawsuit was brought by oscar stilley. he is a disbarred lawyer from arkansas who is on home arrest after being charged with conspiracy. he says, i am not pro life. i am trying to vindicate the law. the other one is named gomez and said the texas law is

unconstitutional. we have leader of the central group of women's rights. also with us is former prosecutor and child advocate wendy murphy. she is professor of law in boston. wendy, what does it say about the state of things and this texas abortion law that suits are being brought by a disbarred lawyer and a convicted felon who is serving out the remainder of his 15-year sentence on home confinement? >> let's just say i wouldn't have picked either of them to be our representative, but having said that, anybody could have filed suit, right? i think many of us around the country were just begging for someone to file suit. his doctor was clearly provoking people to file a lawsuit against him just to give the courts an opportunity to overturn this law. frankly, i don't care if the

devil incarnate files a lawsuit just to get it resolved. i think everybody agrees, and the supreme court when they originally ruled on this issue, implied that they don't think this law is constitutional. i don't think anybody thinks it was. and, frankly, jeff, i think that's one of the reasons nobody from texas who claims to think this is a good law, like the governor, bothered to file a lawsuit against this doctor. anybody could have filed. here was this doctor begging to be sued and the governor who claimed this was a really important, wonderful, and perfectly constitutional law didn't step forward and file his own lawsuit. why not? my opinion? because he knows that as soon as a court has an opportunity with a viable case to reach the merits, and we don't have that yet, until these suits were filed, we didn't have that yet, he knows like the rest of us do that this law will be overturned. it makes me ask a question why

would a governor, why would lawmakers in texas intentionally pass a law that they know is going to get struck down, that they know is unconstitutional? to me it's kind of gubernatorial malpractice. i wish i could now sue the governor for wasting tax dollars passing an obviously unconstitutional law. it's an odd place for us to be but it's an important step in the right direction. >> nancy northrup, tell us more about dr. braid's motivation in performing this procedure and going public about it, and how your group is defending him now. >> well, dr. braid has been a doctor delivering reproductive health care for almost 50 years, and he does perform abortions in san antonio, texas and he is concerned about having to turn so many of his patients away. most of them do not know they're pregnant before six weeks, and

for a lot of them, they find out they're past six weeks. as he said to me, he's used to giving patients options that they can consider and think about. and now he has so few options for them. what he wants to do is get back to giving the health care that they deserve and that they're constitutionally entitled to under our constitution. >> so are you surprised where these two challenges came from? are you surprised it didn't come from anti-abortion groups in texas? >> first of all, it's only day two, so it is too early to see where the other challenges could come from, and what's absurd about this law is they could come from hundreds of people at any time. again, they're standing down now, perhaps, because as was pointed out, right now the law is having its intended effect. because most people seeking abortions in texas can't get them, and their only option is to leave the state in many cases, and that's just not tenable for people.

so why provoke, as we were just talking about, why provoke the court to be able to instantly rule this unconstitutional while it's had the effect right now of keeping these clinics closed. and the only hearing date so far on the calendar is october 1st for the department of justice's case and they're seeking an injunction, and that is still some weeks away. >> wendy, in the 45 seconds or so we have left, give us the big picture here. you have this case in texas, a federal panel of judges in missouri is weighing that state's law, a ban on abortion after eight weeks with no exception forincest, and now we know the supreme court will hear the mississippi case on december 14. expectations for what comes next. >> i think in terms of the texas case there's no question it will be struck down. probably the same for missouri. any time a case goes too far, you can expect a court to overturn, even a conservative court will overturn it. i'm a little worried about the

supreme court's decision because it doesn't take that big a step, so it is yet another opportunity for a majority conservative court to chip away yet again at a legal doctrine that has been losing ground for the past 50 years, so i'm concerned. and for me as an activist and someone who cares deeply about women's equality, women's rights, especially on something as important as abortion, it's time to rise up. it's time to unite, it's time to make this a political issue, and it's time to make clear we will not accept any more encroachments on women's fundamental rights to abortion, medical care abortion. >> wendy murphy and nancy northrup, appreciate you both for your insights. we saw a massive selloff on wall street yesterday. should we expect more big drops? we'll break it all down coming up next. stay with us. all down coming up next. stay with us a1c with once-weekly ozempic® can help you get back in it. oh, oh, oh, ozempic®!

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night of september? it is that time of year. i have to. look, it is autumn, members of lehman brothers, memories of the crash of '87. the dow was approaching 36,000, nasdaq 16,000. could you do a lot worse than give off one or two percent on worries about china or shipping containers and the debt ceiling. that is the cost of doing business. >> so let's talk about shipping containers because we're hurdling toward what could be a major consumer crisis this holiday season. there are shipping delays and some people are coming up with creative workarounds, according to axios, walmart is chartering smaller ships that can pull into secondary ports and get around those traffic jams at the bigger ports. clearly not everybody can do that, not every retailer can do

that. so what will the shortage mean for the holiday season? >> to blows my mind we're already talking about the christmas shopping season of 2021 and the pandemic has still left all of the supply chains so rusty. clothing deliveries expected from bangladesh, there aren't enough people working there. the shipping karens have quintupled in terms of rentals. so the likes the walmart and amazon which in addition to being this colossus of a retail owners planes and had leases on all sorts of equipment and can get train cars at a moment's notice, can get shipping containers at a moment's notice, this is pointing i think to the exacerbation of the haves and have nots. and mom and pop is left high and dry. >> is there an end in sight to this supply chain disruption? because every day it seems to just get worse and there is

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