using your religion to denigrate someone with a different interpretation of your religion, it's just wrong. and it's a form of extremism that have spawned terrorist groups to claim to be the only true followers average. congresswoman dingle discussed the issue this morning with my colleagues. >> all right. their enough. >> good evening everyone.

thanks for staying with us. and welcome to the second hour of ayman. still so much to get. to minority control with the filibuster still in play in the senate. the minority party effectively dictates what does and doesn't actually get past. we're going to explain how that is actually impacting the hugely consequential negotiations this week on biden's bill back better legislation. then, if you've been on facebook at any point in the last 18 months, you're probably ready to throw your phone. or at least, certainly threw out the window. so, why is breaking up with the social media giant so hard to do? plus, president biden delivered his first united nations speech as president. i'm going to ask my saturday night panel to grade his wheat on the world stage. i'm ayman mohyeldin. let's get started. all right, so if it wasn't clear before. in the past few weeks have shown that the filibuster has got to go. the parliamentary procedure,

which is not even mentioned in the u.s. constitution, stands in the way of congress acting on basically everything you can think of a. it blocks the majority party from enacting the agenda they were elected to enact. and it gives the minority party the power to virtually dictate the agenda and the to whatever it chooses. that partly explains why the process surrounding the reconciliation bill has been so confusing for many people. and a bitterly divided senate, the majority party seems to only be able to get their diverse legislative agenda passed if they jam everything into one bill and, that only has to do with money. that's the result of another arcane senate rule, which as you know, strictly limits the use of that reconciliation process each year. so, how bad has the filibuster been? in the last few weeks, is killed voting rights, since senator joe manchin refused to budge on that. it's killed immigration reform, after the senate parliamentarian ruled that it cannot be included in the

reconciliation bill. and it's also killed a police reform, which failed this week, mainly because republican senator tim scott kept moving the goalposts. now, for weeks, democrats remain hopeful. continually precinct scott and claiming that his actually negotiating in good faith. watch. watch. >> i'm grateful on both sides of the aisle and senate that we're doing this with a sense of urgency. >> i know that there is a strong sentiment in the senate and in the house, and amongst sheriffs, to do something about this. >> i think that senator booker and senator scott have been good faith partners. they've been honest brokers. >> at the end of the day, senator scott and i had a gulf between us that we could not close. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> in the end, honestly, as many could have predicted, the south carolina republican senator, who's actually up for

reelection, rejected all of their offers, and the talks died. now, without reform, that is the way just about all the legislation seems destined to end. it is crazy. and it proves that the filibuster simply must go for the sake of our democracy and getting anything done. let's dig into all of this with our saturn i all-star panel. mass debris is convenient and host a man's -- luckily for us, we managed to get him on the show tonight, because he is on tour right now. so make sure to go and catch a so. francesca is also a comedian and host of the -- podcast. i wonder what you do on that podcast by the way? and tara is a senior adviser of the lincoln project. the former gop communications director and resident scholar at the uv center for politics. it's great to have all of you with us. we've got a lot to talk about. mass, i want to start with you. as i mention, you're currently on tour. i'm sure when you're out there in front of the crowds you're

hearing them scream, filibuster reform. filibuster reform. right? i'm sure that's what the folks are saying? >> that's the number one thing people scream when i show up. i'm known as filibuster maz over here. this filibuster thing is, first of all, is crazy that they don't actually have to filibuster. they just see i'm filibustering, but no one is standing there reading pages and pages of something for days and days. which i'm going to start using that strategy. i'm going to see, i'm running marathons, but i will run them. i'll just say i ran them. so, that's my filibuster. that's number one on the filibuster. number two, it is crazy and it feels like the democrats have great ideas. but they don't have the cojones to get them passed. and the republicans have horrible ideas, and they're really to burned down democracy to get it done. i feel like everybody who worked hard to get the

democrats elected get the majority in the senate, if president biden there, everyone feels betrayed. because we're going, we did everything we could. it's like he gave football to our quarterback, and it keeps taking a knee. why is he taking a knee? and he goes, well, i'm waiting for the other team to be ready. a, news alert, democrats, they're never going to be ready. get rid of the filibuster. ready. >> yeah, i was gonna say, we're waiting for their defense to get information so we can run this play. francesca, we just literally played this montage of democrats saying they believe that republicans are negotiating in good faith. honestly, i'm not a politician, it is hard for me to believe that senator tim scott, who's up for reelection, who's made this whole issue about the democrats wanting to defund the police. they cannot be trusted with police reform. who is genuine about talking about police reform. how is congress expected to operate efficiently, given the way the minority party is able to simply block everything and

democrats fall for these good faith negotiations? >> absolutely. it is completely bad faith. right? so, that is why we all wish that there was a good faith republican party. i mean, maybe, sort. have even then, are they that good? but in theory, you wish that as the president says, you can work with these republicans. but, he's been in office so long, he's been in so politics along, maybe he hasn't seen just how right-wing our country has shifted. right? just how uneven that plane feel is. especially on police reform. look, this is an issue where there is such a golf, but not just between democrats and republicans, between congress people and people who are supposed to represent us, and americans in the streets who are being every day over policed, who are seeing their communities turn into war soon's when they want to peacefully demonstrate. right? and it is so said that this was a framework. i mean, this was nothing. hey, maybe we could like, you

know, have some accountability. but, not too much. just a little bit. and it's like no, suddenly that means defund the police. it absolutely does not. >> and it literally did not take much for tim scott to come out and say the reason why the talks broke down is because democrats wanted to defund the police. something that jim clyburn and everybody on down has rejected among democrats. as that's not what they're trying to do. tara, i want to ask you though, the filibuster, not mentioned in the constitution. heritage foundation says that the filibuster is important because it, enables all senators representing all 50 states to participate in every piece of legislation. to be fair, it was intended to slow things down. perhaps encourage some kind of compromise. but you have to ask to french estes point, has compromise become a dirty word in our politics, given the parties and where they are? >> what are your thoughts on filibuster reform. ? >> so, i agree with the intent of the filibuster initially and. it was to protect the tyranny

of the majority? right? and unfortunately the majority we've seen the republican party has become bad faith negotiators and every respect. including within the senate, which is supposed to be the greatest deliberative body in the world. but where i want people to take pause and be careful what you wish for, you get rid of the filibuster and then republicans take over congress next time. and guess what? they change the rules and reverse everything that democrats put in place. you do not want the see saw every two years. they cheek the senate rules to favor the party that controls and then. democrats did this before when they changed the rules for judicial nominations, when harry reid was minority leaders. what do republicans do? they came back and said, okay, will one appeal. will change the rules for supreme court justices. and look what happened there. so, you need to be careful what you wish for here with that. and when you have such a slim majority, you have to make sure that all the democrats, if you change the filibuster rules,

you still have to worry about all the democrats being on board. you've already seen that joe manchin and kirsten cinema, they march to the beat of their own drum and they don't necessarily fall in line all the time. they are moderate democrats and. then you have other democrats wearing in swing states in places like georgia, in places like arizona, they're not going to just jump on board to change senate rules like that. so, there needs to be we -- need to think about this. i get the knee jerk reaction to what pass really important legislation. whether voting rights or other reforms. we need to be careful and think of the long game. they use the rules but we need to be careful what we do here when we start changing institutional things. >> okay, so in change and institutional things, the way if i see it, correct me if i'm wrong -- it just means that elections matter. you have a mandate to govern. people in america voted because they wanted the democratic agenda passed. now they can't pass. and i understand what you're saying. but all of what you're seeing

boils down to that means elections are going to have more consequences. and that means more people have to turn out to vote and the more committed. because that's what happens in places -- other democracies around the country. the majority party has the mandate to pass their agenda. if they feel, they get voted out. et voted out. >> can i just jump back and really quick? >> can i just see something really fast. your point that the american people voted for the democrat's agenda, i do know that's true. >> what do you mean? >> well, joe biden won because it was a referendum on donald trump. i don't think it was a policy election last time. >> the senate, the house. >> i mean, true. democrats lost seats in the house. >> it is a matter of a law seats. they're the majority. that's not how democracy works. it matters that they went to the polls, they have the majority, they are the majority party. that means people want the mandy. they've given them a mandate to govern. >> not the big things. right?

the bigger things where the senate is supposed to compromise and have balance, that's why they're supposed to be some compromise. people say they want compromise. it pulls well all the time. but it does it happen in practice? but you're right, elections have cumbersome in compromises. >> voting rights is this big issue in georgia. i can't think of a bigger issue than voting rights. >> francesca, you want to jump. in >> i think what you started off by saying is that a filibuster, nobody is on the streets, we've got to reform the filibuster. i mean, can we change the word. you know what i mean? just call it pizza and we'd be on the streets. but i think it is really important to understand what we are talking about. why is filibuster reform necessary? what are the so-called radical things that the democratic agenda is trying to accomplish? it is things like the for the people act. it is things like the pro act. it is expanding the rights of voters and american citizens to be able to vote, so that their

states don't steadily chip away at those rights, as we're seeing right now. it is the ability to form a union and organized with your fellow workers. those that are things that will benefit, no matter whether you republican or democrat. all people. this is about the health of democracy. we can't even get there. i just want to say, we have to talk about the senate. the senate is not a representative body of americans. right? republicans in the senate represent -- they are the same, there's equal amounts, and they represent fewer people altogether. population wise. whereas, democrats have the exact same amount and they represent far more americans. millions more americans. so, in and of itself, having two senators per state is not actually a democratic representative body. that's a broader picture. the last thing llc -- sure, but if everything goes through the senate, what are we getting done actually. nothing. we can't even protect voting

rights. last thing i'll see is today, arizona democrats booted for a no confidence vote against kirsten cinema. their own senator saying if kirsten cinema does not vote to reform the filibuster and actually get something done, they have no more confidence in her. they're pulling their support for her. so, we've got to look at the democrats, to. they are not pulling their weight. kyrsten sinema and joe manchin, i don't know who they're answering to. but is a good question to ask. >> go ahead, final. we're >> just real quickly on what francesca said. i think the threat that we have if we do get rid of the filibuster is that these voting laws that they're passing around of the country are going to make such that a minority of americans will be determining the laws and the rules for a majority. so, that floating racks rights act is a very, very important law that needs to be passed. and the only way's going to get past his with the filibuster.

so, i agree with french rests on. that >> all right, guys. we're gonna take a quick pause. don't go anywhere. we've got a lock to discuss. coming up, it feels like almost every day there is a new story about what facebook is doing wrong. but what would it take for you to actually unplug? plus, politics requires painful decisions and compromises, but what was aoc's controversial present this week the worst of both worlds? i'm going to ask our panel about that. but first, here's richard louis with the headlights. hey, richard. >> good evening to you. stories this hour. a passenger allegedly kicks and took the flight attendant early this week. the suspect then attempted to storm the cockpit. authorities say the passenger was later arrested. it took six or seven crew members to restrain this passenger, according to the fbi. the flight landed safely in san one. police in miami meet in the race in a connection to a mass shooting on memorial day weekend. the suspect faces three counts of first degree murder and 20 counts of attempted murder. two suspects remain at large.

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being on facebook is kind of like being in a bad

relationship. all of your friends, they're killing you about it. hey do you think your little image obsess. but is hard not to fall back into old habits at night. so, you kind of lock back in when no one is looking. you can catch up and things feel okay afghan. and then, them. they're letting in their anti-vax friends. they're telling you all about the new miracle cork years for covid-19. and you back right at it one more time seeing maybe it's finally time to take a break this time. that's what a group of social justice and civil rights organizations want users to do under the pretense, in fact they're putting together a nationwide boycott of facebook. it goes back to the need to discuss it. but new to the panel -- founder of the newsletter big technology covers the latest developments in the tech world. he's also the author of the book always the one how that tech titans planned to stay on top forever. man, that is a scary title,

alex. i'm not going to. i listen, i just tease a little bit about this relationship advice that you're going to give me. because i know that you talked about facebook survival dilemma. if you said it would be misguided to argue that the company is responsible for a lot of good around the world. i've seen in how protesters organize in during the arab spring. that the same time facebook will always pick survival. talk to us about what you mean with that? to us a>> i mean that we see as bad that facebook does. and facebook is -- i do believe that it's a net good for society, but there are so many downsides. the question, is what do you do with the downsides? you find this company and a very interesting moment, because it's beset by competition. it has youtube, it has tiktok. so, any change that mix to mitigate the downside is going to open the door for these other companies to come in and

start taking its user base. i personally think that the company should slow down the flow of information. maybe put some stop gaps ahead of that sheer button. so you can't just so you can share the information thoughtfully and not entirely on a motion. again, i think they understand that if they start to take their foot off the gas pedal, they open their door to competitors, and they don't want to do that. i think that's the tragedy of facebook right. now >> maz, it seems like almost every day there's a new story about something's facebook is doing wrong. do you think it will ever be enough for people to take the plunge and log off? >> ayman, i did know people were still on facebook. i thought i was just my grandparents. listen, here's the thing. i have a friend who sent me stuff from facebook. he just gets his research from facebook. it's gotten to the point every time i get a text from him with a link, before i even open it, i roll my eyes because they know what's coming. i go, oh, here we go.

and it's a lengthy diatribe about, let's see, the clinton foundation a how coronavirus is a hoax. and at the very end, it says, sign amanda, please share. [laughs] it's nuts. people are getting their research from this. and the fact is, they are on their phone, they're on their computer. all they need to do is take three seconds, go to google, just search and see if they think they're sending me as any validity. five seconds of searching before you share. google before you share. it's not an ad for global, that's where i'm recommending. >> i was gonna say, i remember when facebook had the poke button and used to be able to pull people to get their attention. that was a different world back then. a little bit not as dangerous as we live now. francesca, let's talk about one of these bombshell wall street journal reports. there was an internal facebook report obtained by the paper that actually found instagram made body image issues works

for one and three teen girls in this country, and that teens blame the app for increases in the rate of anxiety and depression. we should note that facebook came back at that report as well as the others recently's by the wall street journal. they claim quote, those reports contain deliberate mischaracterizations and false motives to facebook's leadership and then please. what's your reaction and takeaway on just the kind of challenge apps like instagram pose for young women in this country? the glamorous life that is often celebrated on instagram? often celebr>> it's rough. i mean, we all feel that way. it's a formal app. that's all it is. it's like, what am i doing wrong? you know the league and instagram to tell your life is miserable. it's constant and it's incessant. as an adult, you can, all right,

i'm bigger than this. but as a young adolescent, you can't. facebook knows. that look, facebook's goal is to make the user outraged. it runs on outrage like so much of the internet runs on outrage. let's be real. that's what clickbait is. i've done a lot of videos for facebook. if you don't make people puke, cry or scream in the first three seconds of video, you've field. and we all know that's bad. so the profit model is outrage. if that is it, what do we do? we have to eventually look to doing something that senator elizabeth warren is talking about and break up big tech. and make sure there are multiple people who are trying to get us to click. you know what i'm saying? >> there's a lot of outreach to go around is what you're seeing, right? >> exactly. >> no one should have a monopoly and outrage. it seems that facebook isn't just bad for our mental health,

because here's the scary part. we joke around about some of the other stuff. but there is a real consequence on physical health, to. and this was something pointed out by our folks here at nbc news. they found that anti vaccine groups are encouraging patients to leave the icus, so that they can actually self medicate with unproven treatments at home. facebook claims they're cracking down on these dangerous messages. but the reality is they just can't do it fast enough. what do you think needs to be done here? how do you kind of deal with disinformation. and is a avery slippery slope that you start going down political censorship? and then before you know it, you're taking off misinformation not just about health but also about political discourse. and god knows, there's a lot of misinformation about politics in social media. itic in social media. >> that's a challenge, right? i'm not sure what the solution is. it's a private company. we have first amendment rights in this country. we have freedom of speech. what do we start regulating the

thought police here on social media. and then what does that lead to? so, it is a difficult, complex situation here, where i think what we need to do is continue to point out were misinformation and disinformation happens. there has to be an onus and responsibility but on to social media platforms to make sure what we know is factually wrong, they have to police themselves. facebook is trying to do that. they have this board and they are trying to -- you know, they took trump off and they took off all these qanon folks. and twitter did the same. and that was a good thing. but them and twitter, i think this is false information. they keep fighting those things. that's a start. but this is becoming a life or death situation now. the anti back situation. i mean, i was today in washington d.c., i went to the lincoln memorial where they have this display with the 684,000-plus flags as memorials to the people who lost their lives to covid. and it was emotional to stand

there. i sheds tears because i look at how many of those lives were needlessly loss. because how many of those people listened to the idiocy and asinine things on facebook that someone is sheared about this or that. that cost them their life. so, what do we do here? how do we stop this misinformation? because it's literally about life or death? i'm not sure how we do it. it's going to take some time and personal responsibility, and pressure to make sure that we point out what this information is out there and what it looks like. and just to the point before about google, it sounds good, but i narrated an emmy nominated documentary called dismantling democracy, and we talk about how even google has algorithms that make search results based or whether you're democrat or republican. because our information is out there. so even there, our personal information is being manipulated to swear you with information one way or another. so, we're kind of screwed no

matter what we do. >> so then you zipping. microsoft being. i don't care. just research before you send me thinks. >> i want to see your stock portfolio after the show. you gotta just keep it general. you can't be plugging products like that. alex, help me wrap my head around this. you've got the taliban spokesperson on facebook, on twitter. you've got the leaders of iran on twitter, on facebook. and yet, you do have former president trump. understand the argument why he shouldn't be on it. i don't agree with it, let me just be clear about that. i don't believe anyone being censored. that helped me wrap my head around. that how would you explain that from the tech giant companies explanation here? if you can? >> look, it's really weird and inconsistent. and that is a story about these companies. they just make stuff up at hawk. and they find a situation here, where they don't like what the

president has said and the ban him. but now the taliban, they start fresh as a government, we know who they are. there's no surprises there. that they remain on the platform. i do think, and i think it's important to point out in this discussion, that we are kidding ourselves if we think that facebook can solve all of the world's ills. in fact, why are the people googling the facts as maz one of them to do? why aren't they bringing it. the reason is because all the stuff leads to confirmation bias. people have lost face faith in the institution. and they're willingly spreading this stuff even though they know it's not true. so, we always say, it's funny -- even we say should they be banning the taliban? and the more time we spend talking about that. first of all, i think they should. the more time we spent ignoring the key problems, the fact that we messed up afghanistan the way we did. what about showing up faith in our institutions, so we have less corruption. legal or otherwise. i think that's really the way

to do it. we're asking facebook to clean up societies mess. and facebook does contribute to, but it's not the only factor. >> so, alex, you're telling me not to break up with facebook? is that your relationship advice for the evening? >> i'm so glad you asked. because we had the way these groups are going about it, is give us three days away from facebook. that's how they'll pay attention. they'll notice when the users but people they make money off off of locally. come on, anybody who's had a relationship dispute knows you don't walk out the door for three days and walk back and be like, so you fix it yet? no, you point out the problems in the relationship and you see, i care about you and i want to work with you on this. if it doesn't work out, then maybe i have to leave. but you can't just see, facebook, you're wrong about everything. fix it, will be back in three days. you have to pay to fake specific features and specific problems. specific policies that can actually get the social network to improve the experience there. that's why i point out the sheer button at the beginning

of this. if we start to share with a little bit more thoughtfulness and less emotion, our society will be in a much better place. so i, would save this group wants to be effective, target a specific feature facebook and improve and go from there. >> francesca, final word. ca, final wo>> yeah, i think weg too small. facebook has been given so many warnings. how many exposes do we need. how many congressional tex testimonies where mark zuckerberg is sweating through? his incredible gucci suit or whatever. and displaying his cesar-like haircut. how is he still at the helm of this giant corporation? no, they have lost the right to our data. they prove that again and again, with cambridge amble analytical. hello, steve bannon's big brother. how many more pieces of evidence do you need to know to get off facebook, stay off facebook, and to break up that? >> all right, guys. we're gonna leave it at. that alex kantrowitz, thank you so much for that relationship advice. the rest of you, don't go anywhere. we've got a lot more to talk about. coming up, the un general assembly saw its usual cast of

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to deliver for our own people, we must also engage deeply with the rest of the world, to ensure that our own future, we must work together with other partners. towards a shared future. our security, our prosperity, and our very freedoms are interconnected. in my view, as never before. >> i know you're like me maz, we like to keep an eye on what's happening beyond our borders. what you make of our presidents performance? how do you reconcile what the u.s. says on the world stage with what it actually does on the world stage? >> first of all, in the previous segment, you pointed out how entertaining bts was and how an entertaining these politicians are. they need choreographers. they need dance moves. i mean, if bts can do it, imagine if biden were to sing it? ♪ ♪ ♪ >> i don't know, i'm trying to

best to make this exciting for the guy. i'm just giving suggestions, all right? that's number one. number two, let's face it, the bar following the previous president was pretty low. all you have to do is show up and that say, putin, my man. >> just don't get left. up >> right, don't say putin is my guy. thirdly though, you can see we're doing diplomacy. meanwhile, we all know with the pull out in afghanistan and things that just happened with australia, the u.s. seems to still be going alone. and that's upsetting a lot of the allies. however, the one thing i will see is, we are, whether you like they are not, it's a military industrial complex. military is our main thing, that's what we do. and to turn this big tanker around is going to be slow. it's going to take time. and the fact that we're not currently in a war in afghanistan, i guess that is progress? i mean, again, setting the bar

low. given that were always in a war somewhere. we still have a lot of military all over the world. and it may still be seen if americans can finally turn that paradigm around and take all the money we throw at our military all the time, maybe give a little bit to some teachers or something. >> yeah, will get into that in just a moment. tara, this ultimatum given by the palestinian leader to israel, accusing them of global apartheid and ethnic cleansing. he's giving them one year to get out of the palate palestinian territories. joe biden says he's committed to a two state solution. what do you think is going on here? you think anyone cares about this ultimatum? k anyone cares>> i mean, this io get solved in a year. the two state solution has been something that multiple administrations have tried to achieve. the last administration we won't really count them, because their foreign policy was part problematic in a number of ways. but this is something that i

don't know about pushing that deadline. if that is going to matter. however, the politics of israel have changed. netanyahu isn't there anymore. so, maybe there's an opening for two state solution. i think everyone wants to see that. but to the greater point about whether america is still going at it alone, let's be clear here. joe biden gave a fairly strong speech about at the un, where he reassure our allies that america is still here to support our international and strategic partnerships. whether it was a nato, you, the african union, our partnership with japan, australia, india -- these are really important alliances that were virtually destroyed, for the most part, by donald trump's america first policy. so, i think that even though the biden administration has had some challenges -- whether was afghanistan or what happened with the submarine issue and france. we still need the important presence of our military, because there's a lot of bad

stuff and bad actors still going on in the world. and america still a superpower. >> as gonna say, you brought up the issue of allies. francesca, another big story this. week obviously this new pack between australia, the u.s. and uk on nuclear arms. france seriously upset up. this they had made a deal with australia. the aussies have now bailed on france, which has so far withdrawn their ambassadors from the u.s.. let me play for you what boris johnson had to say about this. >> i just think it's time for some of our dearest friends around the world to pull the iron grip about this. because this is fundamentally a great step forward for global security. all >> right, i think what he was trying to say is get a grip. i'm not even sure what the point of it was. but i guess is important to know that joe biden and emmanuel macron have actually made up a little bit.

what do you make of this? do you think our allies are standing by us, they trust us to make the right decisions about afghanistan and all this? >> i do think that maybe the biden speech needed a little bit of a, hey, sorry. about a lot of things. you know? winding down the war on terror means we didn't listen to you, the un. hey, remember that? >> we lie to you. >> sorry about the last guy. those were bad lies. i think there's that, obviously. i think the bigger issue with this whole submarine thing -- look, i'm not going to get in between who's selling nuclear submarines to whom, or whatever. but i think the bigger issue is, this is all pivoting against china. so, while joe biden is trying to create a legacy about winding down this war on terror,

he simultaneously ramping up anti china rhetoric. and is that where we need to be going with our fuller policy? i would argue that the answer is no. you can't say one thing, that we are looking forward not backward. we want more peace. and then simultaneously be ramping up any kind of aggression against china. i think we can work with china. especially when it comes to climate change. and thank you for doing that entire segment about the number of military bases around the world, because actually, military bases are a huge contributor to climate change. >> all right, we're gonna have to leave it at. that we've got one more for you guys. maz, francesca, tara, don't go anywhere. coming up was aoc's lasts switch of her vote a sign of his democracy or is there something more politically astute going on here? i'll discuss that with my panel when we come back. e come back.

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not give her enough time to speak to her constituents about it. before we go, let's hear what our panel thinks about. this guy's? maz, start with you. hypocrisy is more complicated? >> it's complicated. i mean, the impeachment was easy. the guy did it. yes, go. this is real, panelist kind, i have jewish friends, i have palestinian friends. you say one thing, one side gets upset. the other thing, the other side gets upset. so, it's hard, man. i'm not gonna say anything because -- president. president. [laughs] >> terror, where do you come down on this? >> oh, it's hypocrisy. she did this grandstanding when it was politically convenient for her against tulsi tulsi gabbard back. then on a vote that ended inconsequential, she switches her vote present. why? it was a political calculation. she watched her she represents new york and there's a lot of jews that one iron dome funding. so, hypocrisy.

>> friend, final word to you. real quick. >> i have to say it is a little bit of both. and it is complicated. what is not complicated is that in a time when so many americans are looking for action from congress, that we turn around and just vote for 1 million dollars for the our norm, that is not complicated. that is wrong. why not fear about what americans are going through, rather than caring about what the amber is really government needs and wants. so, yeah. i think it's a little bit. boats >> appreciate it. i'm so sorry, we're out of time. special thanks to our panel this evening. maz maz jobrani, francesca fiorentini fiorentini, and tara setmayer. dan savage, columnist, podcast, hose will join us. but until we meet again, i'm ayman mohyeldin. good night. . for people of any age. and it can cause violent uncontrollable coughing fits.

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