and east. the lines are computer models and going to head to the west and take the turn. we could see the interaction with bermuda and possibility atlantic canada. you can see the tropics active besides sam. >> already feels like it's dragging on so long. >> i know. >> tracking and checking every single storm for us. thank you so much. it is the top of the hour. you are watching msnbc reports. thanks so much for joining me. you are getting a live look at capitol hill on the eve of who will be a frantic day of

activity tomorrow in a week that could be a pretty make it or break it week for the biden agenda. frantic negotiations are going on in the house that's looming as democrats negotiate mongsz amongst themselves. the republicans hope for the worst. >> let me just say we'll pass the bill this week. >> we are ready to vote for both. excited to vote for both and will vote for both but we need to actually get the reconciliation bill done. >> i support reconciliation and so do my colleagues. we meet all the time and we all agree that we need a reconciliation package but they're two separate bills. >> to leave mothers looking for affordable child care and lower cost prescription drugs to leave people like that, families that

need that child tax credit, to leave them is unacceptable to me. >> i'll talk to democrating congresswoman ross about what we should expect tomorrow as president biden and democrats deal with running the country donald trump and did gop continue to focus their attention on the underlining our democracy. trump last night continued to spew lies about an arizona area recount that ended in a humiliating fashion for him. a fact that he would not confront in georgia. coming up a look at what despite what happened in arizona fake audit maybe heading to your state very soon. also this hour, at the height of protests of the kawhi leonarding of george floyd there were hopes but the hopes dashed this week in talks that ended with finger pointing that included lies about democrats involved in the negotiations.

reverend al sharpton will join me to talk about that just ahead. we begin with what looks to be a defining week on capitol hill an enwhat speaker pelosi said is a time of intensity. that includes the infrastructure and reconciliation bills. joining me now democratic congresswoman deborah ross of my home state of north carolina, also a member of the judiciary committee and vice chair of the sub commit tee on the constitution, civil rights and civil liberties. thank you for your time given that you have a busy week ahead. are you confident that democrats will be successful to get through the legislation? speaker pelosi signaled a delay could be in the cards. what does it look like from your vantage point? >> i'm confident that we'll get the job done for the american

people. all of these bills basically improve the lives of every day americans. we all know that we have the same goal in mind and i think we'll get it done. >> are you confident that democrats will be successful in getting through this? what is the latest you hear on negotiations over that $3.5 trillion reconciliation deal? what are you willing to accept on the plan to get mod rat democrats like senator manchin to get on board? >> that's a good question about the process and everything on capitol hill has to be negotiated and the speaker made that very clear but what's clearer to every democrat is that we need to deliver for the american people. the american people have been through more than 18 months with this pandemic and the pandemic has laid bare the real needs

that we have, the needs that we have for health care, the needs that we have for child care, the needs that we have for expanded internet access. every democrat knows that we need to meet this moment and i believe that we'll come together and do it. i don't know if it's going to be all tied up in a need bow on monday. but it will certainly get done because we know that we need to deliver for the people. >> congresswoman, can you give me a number? put a number on it? what's the lowest you would be willing to accept? >> i'm not going to negotiate against myself or against my colleagues. what i would say is that there are a lot of people working really, really hard to make sure that we can get this over the finish line. what goes on in the senate is not something i have influence over but we need to deliver did build back better agenda for the people.

we need to make the child tax credit permanent. we need to make sure that medicaid is expanded and in the other 11 states that have not yet done that. we need to make community college free for the first two years. these are the things that will build our nation back. these are the things that our constituents are asking for and i believe we'll deliver. >> just turning to the women's health protection act, something that a lot of people are focused and has huge ramifications. now that it's passed in the house what exactly is the plan to get it through the senate? could it end up being just symbolic? >> i'm hopeful that we will be able to get through it the senate. there's more bipartisan support of women's reproductive freedom in the senate, two, at least two republican women recognize that

we need to make sure that roe versus wade the law of the land for 50 years is respected and win's health is respected and the health care providers can provide a full range of reproductive health care to every woman in the country regardless of her economic status, of her race, of her ethnicity. this is a fundamental constitutional right and we need to make sure that every woman, every woman has the same access to health care. >> all right. democratic congresswoman ross of the proud state of south carolina, thank you for joining us. i'd like to bring in the panel. donna edwards, former democratic congresswoman from maryland, a msnbc analyst. as well as tara setmeyer for the lincoln project.

resident scholar at the uva center for politics. i want to ask looking ahead this week on the hill how do you see it playing out? is there a scenario where everything does get passed? >> i think so. these are always difficult negotiations but i wouldn't count in the house the speaker of the house out. nancy pelosi is not going to bring a bill to the floor unless the votes are there and the reality is that democrats, every democrat whether you're in the center or on the left, has a responsibility and obligation and frankly political majority hangs on them getting this through so i'm confident it will happen. i don't know what the size will be but what matters is that democrats address the priorities that president biden has laid out for them. this is not a made-up bill

coming to either infrastructure or to the reconciliation. these are priorities that the president identified, that president biden ran on, that the majority of people support so democrats really don't have a choice but to deliver this for the president that they supported. >> you said don't count speaker pelosi out. she spoke today talking about cost negotiations on the reconciliation package. let's play that for just a moment. >> there will have to be changes with that. sooner the better to build the consensus to go forward and we will do that. >> sounds like you acknowledge that the final number is smaller than that. >> yeah. that seems self evident. everybody overwhelmingly -- i think even those that want a smaller number support the vision of the president. this is really transformative. >> i want your perspective.

do you see there being a right number to get the moderate democrats and possibly any republicans on board? >> i think so because even though this is a major priority for democrats and the biden administration, republicans in swing districts need to be careful they don't vote against a bill that would help their constituents. it is a razor thin majority. it would be silly of them to give democrats the wins in those districts so listen. i spent seven years on capitol hill. there's always political jockeying going on and heading into a midterm election this is what you see except that republicans have not been good faith negotiators on these things because they see this as a win-win for them.

republicans, trust me, much better at messaging than the democrats even if the democrats pass this bill. republicans will say that they're tax and spend liberals. if it isn't passed then they say they can't govern and need to give us power back so there's the political stakes that are high for the democrats and the biden administration this week. >> donna, you wrote an op-ed in "the washington post" on how senate minority leader mitch mcconnell could give a justification to kill the filibuster. you said fund the u.s. government and then be free to move on and pass a broader agenda that the majority of voters want. could this strategy backfire at all if republicans regain control? how could you get moderate democrats on board. >> i don't think so. i think the republicans

demonstrated bad faith in these negotiations from the debt ceiling to the economic package and the rest. when republicans are in power, when mitch mcconnell was in power, he didn't hesitate a wit to break every rule, every norm to get their agenda through and i think democrats should take it the same way and the reality is that the priorities that have been identified and i saw them as the viewers did up on the screen are priorities supported by the american people. is mitch mcconnell going to come back and take away child care? take away the provisions dealing with climate change? is he going to take away the infrastructure package? no. he won't do that at all. call the bluff and pass the democratic agenda, the president's agenda, the americans' agenda that people supported when they brought joe biden in to office in 2020. >> speaking of the power of the

possibility of that agenda, tara, when we talk about what's at stake for democrats just this week coming up "the new york times" writes if mr. biden doesn't succeed in congress this fall it could doom the party's majorities at the polls next faum. how much do you see this factoring into the decision making on the hill this week? >> everything is looking ahead to the midterms because if the democrats lose the house the first thing republicans will do is try to impeach joe biden and it will be chaos. they don't care at legislating or constituents. they only care about power. if republicans get power back then what's the next sten? democrats changed the rules for filibuster for judicial nominations. republicans said okay we'll do it with the supreme court justices so i think maybe a reform of the filibuster so you

put the onus on the minority opposed to the majority now in order to stop debate with cloiture. i think that you have to be careful what you woish for but democrats have to focus on the greater threat here which is a national party that is no longer a democratic constitutional party. they have got to nationalize the election and make it a referendum on the party of trump to come into power. january 6th against the constitution. cheating. this is what the republicans are setting up and democrats need to seize on that and remind the american people what's at stake overall. >> you said tingering with institutions. can we talk about impact for a minute? turning back to the arizona recount. despite the so-called audit

really reaffirming the election, what are the efforts doing as tara just mentioned to the electoral system? >> i don't want to endorse or validate an audit for an election that we know was fair and valid and an audit that never should have been conducted in the first place but i think even that buys into this idea that our democratic institutions are failed, that they can't work and i think it's really damaged to democracy. we see that happening all across the country where good people who in the past really cared about and appreciated the democratic institutions are distrursing the institutions and i'm concerned that every institution will be questioned

whether it's local or federal officials con ducting free and fair elections. we can't go down that. speaking of a slippery slope. because that is a very attack on our ibs tuitions that autocracies always wanted and people that are favor of more autocratic government will deliver for us so i just think that we should be afraid of challenging our elections in this regard. >> former congresswoman edwards and tara, we appreciate your time. now that congress has essentially given up on passing police reform what needs to be done to bring about meaningful change? reverend sharpton joins me live

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relief and a number of areas. instead of moving forward in areas of agreement they simply walked away. >> not throwing accusations at either side. we have to learn that to try to play the singularly blame game, i accept responsibility. i haven't stopped working. >> that's republican senator tim scott and democratic senator booker at the top senate negotiators on police reform on the sunday shows after the policy fell apart this week. senator booker said that talks fizzled but senator scott blames democrats claiming that a claim to cut funding to the police departments is at the -- joining me is rev ren al sharpton. let's go back. how do you think that these talks collapsed?

why weren't they able to get this done? >> clearly whether the talks began, let's remember this is named the george floyd policing advance. act or police justice act. and there were meetings with george floyd's families, other families. meetings with civil rights organizations doing some of the demonstrations. it was clear what the families and those in the communities that really were behind the movement wanted to see enacted as law and a central piece is qualified immunity. that the police must be held accountable and liable for their actions that we felt on the training in the world would not stop them unless they had some skin in the game as the word goes. tim scott knew this. the republicans knew this. and corey booker and

congresswoman karen because who helped engineer it through the house and passed, senator booker was in the senate. they all knew this. the president met with the floyd family, with civil rights leaders so all of a sudden we are now told we're going to do this, this, this. a critical issue. they knew that was unacceptable. >> a sticking point? >> like sitting at the lunch counters, check in a hotel but can't sit in front of the bus. who's playing with this is those that are trying to reshape what this was in the begin jared goff either they never intended to do it and trying to run the clock or starting to get concerns about the reelection. this is unacceptable. >> i want to ask you because i'm stuck on something that senator tim scott said. he essentially said that this

failed because democrats wanted to defund the police and what we have to talk about what is what it means to defund the police. according to my reporting people who use that term saying it is not that we don't want police departments but we want police departments in neighborhoods of color as good and responsive as those in majority neighborhoods. >> it is about how you fund the police to do things that police ought to do and not to continue to do the things they aren't doing. so they tried to distort the slogan and use the slogan and you could argue that maybe the slogan should have been different but don't distort it and lie but in this legislation you couldn't say that and mean it when there is funds in the legislation to deal with training and other things so senator tim scott didn't think

it was about defunding the police with resources in the bill. he is many things. stupid is not one of them. he knows this is not defunding the police. >> where do we go from here? >> i think aside from the fact civil rights organizations are gearing up to how we come back with other legislation and use the leverage of the midterm elections because it will be a major issue next year there can be executive orders by the white house, by the president that can do some of these things that would be in effect as long as he's in president. you need a law because then the next president can throw it out. there are discussions on that. president biden and vice president harris has been strong about supporting the george floyd bill. i don't think it's a leap to do executive orders but we shall see and have those discussions. >> yeah.

what i hear you saying is that we have seen so much blame game but this is accountability. >> and about the fact that people died and continue to die disproportionately since george floyd and the conviction of chauvin. this has to stop and the legislation to stop it the u.s. senate has to do. >> we know that you have an important interview coming up today. the one and only morgan freeman. will be coming up at 5:00 p.m. here. thank you. coming up, a funeral service today on long island for gabby petito as the search continues for brian laundrie. her death ruled a homicide. investigators are trying to figure out what caused the

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welcome back. i'm morgan radford. breaking news from montana where an amtrak train derailed overnight killing at least three. jake ward has the latest. has today's investigation really given us any answers about what happened and what have you heard from survivors about this? >> reporter: morgan, the investigators are still piecing it together. federal investigators are on the ground with representative from amtrak trying to sort out how a train came off the tracks on a straightaway on a beautiful, clear afternoon resulting in eight cars coming off the tracks entirely. several dozens of people injured

and at least three killed. it is not clear why it would be. we spoke to an ntsb board member that said there's something about the interaction with the train on the tracks and not like someone going into a curve too fast but that is still to be sorted out. we did speak to a survivor who described the frilgtening experience of being thrown into the wall from where he sat and he said that going into the section where it derailed he could go going too fast. have a listen. >> it just felt that way because most of the trip it was pretty smooth but it was bumpy and felt like we were going maybe too fast for the tracks. >> reporter: he also described to us seeing railroad ties pushed far away from the tracking and the feeling that the train sort of -- the tracks had come apart underneath the

track and like flying he described it. investigators will have to get deeper into this and meanwhile we have several people in icus across montana air lifted by helicopter because it happened in a remote corner of the state. the questions are still out there but on this beautiful afternoon how exactly did this train come off a straightaway? what they're looking for now. >> thank you so much. now another story that has captured national attention. mourners honor the life of gabby petito found dead in a wyoming national park this week after a cross country trip. and while her family and friends mourn her death the search for her fugitive fiancee continues. kathy park is in new york with more for us today the secret services took place. what is the latest on the search

for laundrie and what do they say about the continued search for justice? >> reporter: let me start by saying we saw a powerful display of solidarity today. this is gabby's hometown and still a steady stream of people paying their respects. the service was at noon and supposed to wrap up around 5:00 but this was the scene throughout the day, people from the community stopping by. those that grew up with gabby and remembers gabby as a young, vibrant woman and others following the story and one family spoke all the way from wisconsin but after speaking with mourners here they say there's something about gabby's story that struck them. take a listen. >> what this has done to our

community the world knows is jaw dropping. >> had the world in front of her. they say she was america's daughter and also long island's daughter and we're here to memorialize long island's daughter. >> reporter: morgan, in addition to the grief, a lot of people we spoke with are demanding answers and they want justice for gabby and they want to know where brian laundrie is right now. morgan? >> kathy park, thank you for being there all day and we appreciate your reporting. thousands of haitian migrants attempt to enter the u.s. we are live from the border next with the latest process and talking about the role of race and how many say the migrants have been treated. it's gentle on her skin, and out cleans our old free detergent.

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nbc's reporter is in texas joining us now. sheila jackson is there and can you tell us about the visit? what she said and really hoping to see happen? >> reporter: good afternoon. exactly. representative jackson-lee is here. she landed a few hours ago and she told us she wanted to check on the migrants that are still at centers. after the migrants cleared from under the bridge they have been sent to centers. on friday mayorkas said 5,000 remained in the centers yet to be processed to see if they'll stay in the country and the representative said her district in houston is helping some of these migrants in the transition and trying to get more help to support them and local authorities. this is what she had to say. >> there is a way to be humane in dealing with the issue of

migrant who is are fleeing percent cure, fear, conditions that cannot tolerate them as families, as children. >> reporter: the congresswoman now inside this processing center checking up on migrants that are still being processed and she will be in the del rio area checking up on these conditions. she also wanted to make it a point that the migrants that are in the country do have she said court dates and paper work and a process to continue in the united states before they see an immigration judge, morgan. >> all right. we really appreciate your reporting. thank you so much. leaders of 39 civil and human rights groups calling on president biden to end inmui

main treatment of refugees. in a letter to the president they say in part the administration vie lated asylum rights and laws enacted by congress and embraced policies that inflict cruelty on immigrant community just an author of that letter is judith brown diana of the advance. project. i want to thank you so much for being with us this afternoon because among the policies you oppose one is local law enforcement getting entangling with policing refugees and we have seen images like the ones on the screen right now and president biden and secretary mayorkas condemned the treatment but you say that the inhumanity goes beyond that and after admitting that haiti is too dangerous to return to we would have expected a different reaction. what were your expectations and what do you think should have been done? >> i think that when we talk

about black lives matter we mean black migrant lives matter, too. what happened with the biden administration was immediately a presurvegs that the haitians at the border did not need asylum but they said the conditions in haiti too bad and needed to extend tps. since then they had another earthquake and the president asass natded and what we are saying is, number one, give them the asylum process and stop the deportations. it is estimated about 32 planes that have already been used to deport haitians back to the conditions in haiti. the other is the treatment by border patrol. when we look at what happened with those horses we cannot divorce it from what we think of the images and slavery and slave

patrol and last summer as people were demanding police reform and changes so that black lives could be recognized and our humanity recognized yet border patrol acted like other police. doesn't matter horseback or paramilitary gear. throwing teargas at people. we want to be treated as humans, deserve to be treated as humans in this country. >> have you gotten a response from the biden administration to your letter? >> the administration did hold a meeting last friday and the response was that they would stop the horse use and that really was not the point. right? >> right. >> and that they were doing humanitarian -- providing food and water to the folks that are there. but this is what's really

important is that -- that's right. this doesn't go away. just because you disappeared the people under the bridge by deporting them, sending some into detention centers, some released and awaiting asylum proceedings and thousands have been forced back into mexico where they will be deported so just because you diss appeared the haitians doesn't mean you treated them properly. >> you say the treatment of the refugees is a direct violation of the executive order signed by biden in january saying the federal government should pursue a comprehensive approach to advancing equity of all. look. i was reporting from -- on this crisis is just this past week and went to texas and crossed the border to mexico and the people there said some interesting thing just the experts on the ground to help the migrants said when you're

black you have to wait in camps like these but white and a migrant you can be in the u.s. while you watt or a safe place while you wait and then some migrants from highty said they had trouble waiting in mexico because of racism. people that won't rent them an apartment and can't leave the camps and the reality is we know that people fleeing haiti have been treated differently since the '70s as economic refugees instead of political and allows thest to fast track them out. can you explain how meaningful that distinction is and what you think the government needs to do to give them the same due process? >> you have made the point that if we're going to talk about racial equity and the president set up an office on racial equity it has to go throughout the government including immigration and that means that we can't set up a racist system

of immigration and a racist pathway to citizenship that does not include black immigrants. we are not just talking about haitians but all the countries that trump targeted. remember? when he was president. all those s-hole countries. right? and the way in which black immigrants have to come through is a very different process and not given the pathway to citizenship because this country is looking for so-called model immigrants an earn so we have to stop and the president has to change course and make sure that haitians and other black migrants are treated the same. >> judith, thank you for your time and perspective. we appreciate you being here. thank you. any moment now president biden will return to the white house from camp david preparing for a week that could help define the presidency. on the laend infrastructure negotiations and that crisis we

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goal here is to ask democrats what are you for? what -- what can we agree on? and he is trying to narrow the differences within his own party on a couple of -- of big-ticket items. and you know, between that effort which involves some intensive meetings at the white house, phone calls last week, some phone calls this weekend. beyond that, we also have speaker pelosi saying today that an infrastructure bill will pass this week, period, full stop. she is confident of that. she also said that she is -- she is aware that the -- the 3.5 trillion price tag on the social spending and climate change package is going to have to be trimmed. that's where the president's negotiation skills are going to be required. the white house, speaker pelosi, and leader schumer have all been trying to find bits and bobs they can trim.

make some deals on the side. we don't really, fully know, yet, what the shape of that is going to be. but for sure, the president's going to have to be involved in making it happen, if it's going to happen by the end of the week. >> but can we really talk about scope for a minute, anne? i mean, what are the consequences for the president and the democratic party if this agenda fails? >> yeah. you're -- you're smart to zoom out because, you know, we can get lost in the -- you know, is this bit going to pass or that bit's going to pass, and who is in and who is out of the boat? this week is really when joe biden makes the case for the entirety of his domestic agenda that isn't specifically related to covid. the first half of the year was spent wrestling the -- the coronavirus pandemic, you know, to ground to a degree. and trying to fix the economic fallout from that. and then, the goal was to turn to the rest of -- of his very wide agenda and he has a lot of -- of, you know, different

camps that he has to please here within his own democratic constituency. and that -- this special safety net bill and climate change bill was supposed to do a whole lot of that. so if this falls apart, he is really going to be on the back foot with basically everybody. moderates won't be happy. progressives won't be happy. and the republicans will have a big target to shoot at. >> anne, just briefly before we go here, i want to ask you about the u.n. because the president effectively laid out what could be called the biden doctrine this week at the united nations. how is he received? and are allies skeptical after the u.s.'s really chaotic withdrawal from afghanistan? briefly, what are your thoughts on that? >> yeah. the afghanistan piece is really important. he was making the argument at the u.n. that we have heard him make elsewhere which is that we are closing down an era of 20 years of -- of war that followed from the september 11 attacks. it's time to do other things. it's time to have different priorities. that argument, you know,

relatively well received by allies and he got response. what he wants to do with that pivot moving toward china is not universally well received, however, and you can tell that at the u.n. >> anne gearan for us there, anne as always, thank you. and that wraps it up for this hour. i'm morgan radford. yasmin vossoughian will be back next saturday and next sunday at 3:00 p.m. eastern. as we mentioned, reverend al sharpton and "politicsnation" pick things up right after this very short break. thanks so much.

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good evening and welcome to "politicsnation." tonight's lead. a time of intensity. right now, i'm watching what has been cast as a make-or-break moment for this administration and for democrats on capitol hill. house speaker nancy pelosi's letter to her caucus this weekend demanding that it commit to passing three transformative spending bills while bridging the divide between moderates and progressives over just how far the party's willing to go to evolve our nation. at the core is the president's two-part infrastructure plan. a vote on the smaller, physical package to