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>> let me just say we're going to pass the bill this week i'm never bringing a bill to the floor that doesn't have the votes. you have to go when you have the votes in a reasonable time, and we will. >> we're also following new developments in the fight against the coronavirus. in the next hour, president biden will receive his pfizer booster shot as recipients of the moderna and johnson & johnson vaccine still eagerly await word on when their third shots will be available. and the national debate over vaccine mandates is taking center stage in new york city with millions of parents sending their children back into classrooms this morning despite a federal judge blocking a vaccine mandate for teachers, but we begin with the critical week for democrats on capitol hill joining me now nbc national political reporter isahil kapur and pchief white house respondent let's start with the debt ceiling, where does all of it stand at this hour

>> reporter: it will be a chaotic week, deadlines crashing into each other over the coming days let's start with government funding and the debt limit the house has passed a deal to extesds tend the debt limit. it is facing a vote in the senate today and the republicans promised to filibuster it because they imposed an extension of the debt limit. they say it is necessary they say they want no part in it they want democrats to put it in their separate party line bill they're pursuing the democrats are rejecting that on to president biden's agenda, this is a huge, huge week for president biden's agenda in the house as democrats are eyeing a vote on thursday on that senate passed infrastructure bill, about 550 billion in new spending progressive house lawmakers have threatened to block that bill unless that separate multitrillion dollars mega bill is kpreeted and passed by then that will be enormously

difficult to do by thursday because there are a series of policy differences and disputes over the price tag to resolve. in addition, house and senate leaders have said they will not bring a bill to the floor unless it has the support of democrats in both chambers these are wafer thin majorities that they're trying to get this through. the one thing to zoom out and look at democrats propelling on these two big items is that failure would be mutually assured destruction for the democratic party t they're likely to be the first to get washed away in a potential wave given they're the ones from swing districts. progressives see this as a once in a generation opportunity to rewrite the social contract and dramatically expand the safety net. all of that is on the line, and we should know in the coming days where everything is headed. >> get your roller skates on, you're going to be all over the hill peter baker this is a big moment for the president and his legacy he gave brief comments yesterday on his expectations when he was

coming back to town. >> i'm optimistic about this week it's going to take the better part of a week, i think. >> that's for sure nancy pelosi pushing an anticipated vote today down to thursday debate starts today. is there a way for her to bridge this divide, thread the needle, use whatever metaphor you want between progressives and moderates? she's got a satisfying advance, both manchin and sinema on the senate side but also she's got the progressive caucus, you know, and that rebellion, frankly, as well as the moderates in the house caucus. >> yeah, absolutely. it's the biggest test of her speakership, at least probably going back to the affordable care act in 2009 when she helped push that through for president obama. it's a hard challenge in front of her, you're right there is no, you know, margin for error here she has to get a very fractious coalition pulled together to agree on something that, you know, in a party that doesn't

like to agree with itself at times. and there's -- and you're absolutely right when you opened this segment, andrea, in saying that the president is not too -- it's not an overstatement to say the presidency is on the line. president biden has wagered everything on the issues that are coming up this week. he put in his $3.5 trillion bill, he has put every priority practically under the sun in there from child care, you know, pre-k, community college, climate, all kinds of things that basically the entire new deal, you know, put it all in one bill, that's what president biden has done here. for them not to be able to come together and pass it in some fashion or another, even after a compromise would be debilitating he knows that, they know that. presumably they're going to have to find a way to come together it's not in anybody's interest in the democratic party to see their own president fail but, how you get there, big question >> and i just want to drill dow on the debt ceiling. the bipartisan policy center over the weekend put out guidance that there's less time

than maybe janet yellen expected to stretch this out, to play games moving money around. it's october 15th is almost a hard deadline for doing that, and i was really struck by senator toomey with, you know, with jake tapper yesterday saying, you know, what, frankly, we heard on "meet the press" last week from another senate moderate, moderate republican ignoring the fact base of the debt ceiling, that it is not future spending. it's not the 3.5 trillion that's factored in. it's all money that has been spent. it's trump money as well as covid money that was bipartisan. so it's not future spending, and it seems as though mitch mcconnell has got the republican senators all in this sort of lock step denying the reality, denying the facts. >> yeah, it's so viewers do understand that raising the debt ceiling is to pay the bills that have already been incurred it's not to say we're going to

spend more money it's to say we're going to pay the ones we've already decided to spend because of the tax cuts that president trump put forward, because of the covid relief act, because of other spending both parties agreed to over the last four years you're right about that. it's a pretty cynical game you hear mitch mcconnell say, yes, the debt ceiling needs to be raised because he understands a default would be cataclysmic for the american economy and credit rating, but he doesn't want to have any part in it. he wants to not have to take a political hit by having republicans vote for something like that. it's forcing the democrats to own it democrats don't want to own it it's a real game of chicken as we head to the cliff we have watched this movie before, andrea, of course, and every time before they have pulled away from the cliff before going over, but there's going to be a moment, it feels like at some point, where they might go over that cliff and the consequences are extraordinary. >> we're talking about defaulting, the united states of america defaulting on its debt, the full faith and credit. they could always come back and redo it again with a second vote, but that doesn't even

impact what the market effects would be and a lot of people lose money it's a global issue. thanks very much, peter baker. as always, and washington democratic congresswoman, chair of the new democratic coalition and is one of the house members who met with president biden last week and joins me now congresswoman, thank you so much you were in those meetings i don't know whether the president was appealing to moderates to come together with progressives, to come up with a middle ground? i have privately heard from all corners something in the 2 to $2.5 trillion, you know, time, you know, money frame but i don't know what you think moderates would be willing to go to and what the progressives might be, and what the president's message to you-all is. >> well, the president's message to us was tell us what your priorities are, and i think that's the right strategy because what really needs to drive the reconciliation bill,

the build back better act is strong policy, strong policy that helps families, that helps workers, that helps communities. so we've been very clear in the new democrat coalition, our priorities, making sure we extend the child tax credit, that we keep the aca premium subsidies, help with medicaid expa expansion in states that haven't expanded, and have historic legislation on climate those are three priorities i think the president wants to hear those from others so we can look at really what drives the -- what needs to be in the bill that brings people together so i think sometimes people will spend a little bit more if the content is what they think is important and the other way around, may not be willing to spend if we don't have strong content. that's why i think it's so important that folks talk about their priorities this can be historic legislation for the american people and critical that we all come to a resolution and get it passed

>> i'm wondering how this ever got so wrong footed on the messaging because we're talking about 2.5 trillion, 3.5 trillion, 1 trillion, reconciliation that's not the way to sell anything the way to sell it is climate, you know, day care, free tuition. and i don't know how frankly the politics of this got so wrong o the labeling, the branding of it. >> i think that when we talk about important policy, it is important to understand the impacts and to talk to the american people about what we're doing, an impact that we'll have for them now that's why i've also argued tha in the legislation we've focused on making sure we're doing a few things really well, like the extension of the child tax credit those are those checks that went out on july 15th and have been going out. we've already seen over 3 million children across the country being lifted out of poverty. continuing that is critically important. people understand that

they've seen the impact already. that should be one of the top things we do in a reconciliation bill >> did the president make it an appeal to you all that you've got to come together because my presidency's at stake? because it is. >> he definitely highlighted the importance of -- and the historic importance of this legislation, both the infrastructure legislation as well as the build back better act. the combination in terms of what we can do to help our communities. it really is about building back better, and i think that's a good phrase because we have folks who have been struggling long before the pandemic, and then the increased challenges that our communities have seen because of the pandemic. this really is the opportunity to put us on a great long-term course across our country, and long-term is important we need strong, durable policy that has to be key, and that's what we're fighting for in the build back better act and that's also part of what we'd be doing

with infrastructure, long-term policy >> and are you congresswoman and others reaching out to the so-called progressives in the caucus, or is that all being done at the speaker level? how is this working, and are there any house efforts to reach out to manchin and sinema on climate and seeing what they're willing to go for? >> well, the meeting we had with the president actually was house members and senate members together so those conversations between the house and the senate have continued. i've continued to be in conversation with senators as we look to find commonality in areas where we can move this process forward, and you know, in fact, even in the new democrat coalition, we have a few folks who are also members of the progressive caucus, and so we really do have feedback across our coalition on different views and how we come together that's really our goal as a coalition. we know that we don't help anybody unless we get things done all the way across the

finish line, and in the house that means getting 218 votes and in the senate it means having 5 votes. that has to be the goal for everyone that's the only way we really can have a positive impact on families across the country. >> bottom line, can it be done by thursday when votes are scheduled? >> well, we're going to work and do everything we can because these are important deadlines as well as making sure the continuing resolution is through because of the end of the fiscal year we also have the end of surface transportation authorization on september 30th, so very, very important day, and we need to make sure we're getting this work done so we can continue to move forward and fight for policy that's critical for our country. this isn't the last bill we'll ever do. >> congresswoman, thank you very much you can say that again we really appreciate it. >> thank you. and a news conference in rural montana has just wrapped up no new details to report about

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and now to the battle over the coronavirus. president biden is set to get his booster shot at the white house in just under an hour amid a lot of confusion about who is and who isn't supposed to get their third shot cdc director rochelle walensky is standing by her decision to open the booster for the pfizer vaccine to front line workers, in addition to people 65 and older with some who have underlying medical conditions as well >> i want to reiterate that, you know, hthat sh this is a very slow -- there is no urgency to get your booster immediately you know, walk, don't run to your booster appointment, and we will look at the data for

moderna and j&j in very short order. >> and joining me now nbc news correspondent gabe gutierrez in morehead, kentucky, which has one of the highest covid rates in the center. and dr. peter hotez at texas children's hospital. gabe, first to you, you're at st. claire regional medical center where i understand there is a shortage of space because covid patients are lining up the hospital's being forced to take some drastic measures >> yeah, that's right, andrea. we're here inside a tent that's been set up in the parking lot for monoclonal antibody treatments patients are set to arrive here within the hour. there's none right at this moment as you can see, they would be put right here they're given four injections. this is not the monoclonal antibodies that are administered through ivs. they're given four injections, two in the stomach and one in each arm we just saw the inside of this hospital, the covid unit there is packed. they have dozens of covid patients, which is a lot for a

hospital this size 11 patients right now are on ventilators, and we spoke with a couple of the workers here who say that this is the worst it's been during the entire pandemic. take a listen. >> is it frustrating to know that a year and a half into the pandemic, though, we're still seeing this? >> it is frustrating especially when the vaccine rolled out and we were suppose to be hopeful that this would go away, it actually ramped up worse. so it is frustrating, and it's also frustrating when you fought so hard for these patients and it doesn't go the way you want it >> reporter: so this hospital is also taking some other measures including doing house calls essentially, having some of their medical staff go to some of the rural areas here in kentucky to treat covid patients so that they don't end up here at the hospital. but andrea, again, within the hour, covid patients are expected here to start undergoing monoclonal antibody

treatments the federal government limiting the capacity or limiting the supply of those treatments to some states because there appears to be a shortage nationwide andrea. >> and we should point out just politically, gabe, that the governor -- we've interviewed the governor of kentucky he's been forward leaning unlike a willot of his southern colleagues, and senator mcconnell as well, you've got political leadership there, bipartisan political leadership for vaccinations, but you know, it still hasn't fully penetrated. >> reporter: certainly, andrea, there's just a political division there's been a political division among some residents here, even though some of the leadership has been pushing vaccinations kentucky, as you mentioned, second in the country in terms of its hospitalization rate. now neighboring west virginia is first, and you'll recall, andrea, at the beginning earlier this year, west virginia did very well with its vaccinations. now having difficulty, lagging behind other parts of the country. >> it's really an important context.

thanks so much, gabe, and dr. hotez, let's talk about those boosters did the cdc make the right call in advising front line workers to get the booster when walensky basically overruled the advisory panel. >> well, you know, the way i like to think of it is not so much that she overruled the advisory panel you know, the vote on occupational hazard risks was pretty closely split so i think it was more of a good judgment call, i think, because we are seeing declines in protective immunity. i think part of the problem was more the case that when you look at the data for it, for instance the evidence showing a decline in effectiveness, especially for those over the age of 60 coming out of israel was only looking at 25 days afterwards and showing that the third immunization has benefit so i think it was more making the best judgment call we could being in the middle of a raging pandemic and it's not only going to be health care workers, there's quite a list of occupational

risks in addition to the underlying health care conditions. >> and let me ask you something about moderna and j&j recipients who are still waiting for their emergency use authorization for the boosters is there a risk involved in them just going on their own if they can at a drugstore and getting a moderna third shot is there a risk or is it that there just isn't as much benefit because moderna, we understand from some preliminary data, may be advising a smaller dosage for the third shot >> i think as dr. walensky we just heard said it's a walk, not a run. the reason for that, it's not as if the bottom is falling out there is clearly a gradual decline after six months on the pfizer biontech vaccine. the moderna vaccine seems to be holding up a little better in terms of length of protection. and that may be because there's more rna in the moderna vaccine, and it's spaced an extra week apart, so that may afford a little bit of an advantage

the only reason not to go rogue is because you want to confirm the safety data that there's no increase in something like myocarditis with the third immunization of the moderna vaccine. i doubt there will be a big increase, but that's the kind of thing that you want to hold off until we get that recommendation. >> that's important information. i also want to ask you about kids and when you think pfizer might be submitting their data for immunization for children, children under the age of 12, which is so important for so many parents of those kids. >> i think we'll probably hear about submission of the packet to the fda and review fairly soon, and depending on how it goes, the hope is maybe by the end of objecctober we might hava vaccine released under the emergency authorization for the kids 5 to 11 so we can start vaccinating the school aged kids as well. >> dr. peter hotez, as always, thanks so much >> thank you.

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with president biden's agenda on the line, there's a lot of secondhand guessing as to why democrats have not been focusing more on what's in these packages popular programs like reforms to medicare and medicaid, new funding for elder care and child care, and potentially the last best chance for action on climate change beyond the broadly favored funding of bridges and roads. joining me now is former maryland democratic congress woman donna edwards, former senior adviser to jeb bush and former spokesman for house speaker john boehner michael steele, and editor at large, charlie sykes. welcome all. the polling is high on most of these policies, yet we hear them labeled the 3.5 trillion, the 1 trillion, the 2.5 trillion compromise president biden is pushing all of this with the midterms down the road could be democrats' last chance for action on these issues why can't democrats talk about what's in it instead of the price tags >> well, i'm glad that you raised this, andrea, because if

you look across the broad spectrum of the policies that are in place, not only do a majority of americans support them, but among democrats the numbers are actually off the chart. so i think it's really important to talk about what's in them i mean, people want -- families want child care. they want relief for health care and prescription drug prices they want to deal with the pressing issue of the climate crisis, and all of this and more are in these -- in these packages and frankly, one doesn't stand unless the other one stands, and this is why i think it's really important for democrats to nail down their agenda and to just get the job done because if the president fails, they fail they lose any chance of holding the house and the senate >> michael, what's the best bet for republicans here with the midterms looming to have it pass and be able to campaign against, you know, trillions and trillions of dollars of debt or

to have it fail and have the president, you know, basically a lame duck going into the midterms >> both are terrific for republicans. the worst outcome for republicans is the bipartisan infrastructure bill passes and/or a very slim downed version of this reconciliation, this $3.5 trillion tax package passing. anything else, either passive of this massive $3.5 trillion tax and spending package or a complete collapse and democrats in disarray, either is a good outcome for republicans going into the midterms next year. >> and charlie, the senate republicans are poising to block the -- not only the shutdown, the continued resolution, but also the debt ceiling, and this is just making me crazy because they keep redefining it to something that it isn't because it's paying for past debt, not for future debt. and these are people who should know better. >> well, and they do know

better i mean, it is reckless for them to play around with the national credit, and they know that but mitch mcconnell also understands that the democrats are in charge and that if he does torpedo the economy, the blame will fall on the republicans. it's a deeply cynical move that obviously is the reverse of what he has said in the past, but if i could also comment on what michael steele just said michael is absolutely right. you know, what you're seeing now is a very, very dangerous game of political chicken in washington, and the problem with playing the game of chicken is that if you get it wrong, it can end in a horrific crash and everybody dies democrats may not be in a position to rescue the biden presidency this week, but they are in a position to torpedo it, and i think they need to be very, very serious about all of this, especially when they are on the one inch line when it comes to a bipartisan infrastructure package this was the signature dramatic

legislative win by joe biden, he got 69 votes in the senate it would be political malpractice of the highest sort for them to torpedo that because they don't get everything they want and i think this is a dangerous moment in washington where everybody is playing political chicken with massive stakes for the country and obviously for the biden presidency >> and donna, understandably, house democrats don't want to vote for something that's going to be rejected by the senate so what are the chances that they can reach agreement on climate, for instance, despite joe manchin's opposition to it >> look, i do think that there is actually broad support among democrats for the priorities that have been outlined in the 3.5 trillion now, whether they will land on 3.5 is everybody's guess i mean, i think we heard from the speaker that indeed she shares the priorities of the american people. this is joe biden's agenda, and we all know, we've experienced

over these last several months and couple of years, the tremendous severe weather events that are triggered by a change in climate, and so we don't have a choice but to deal with climate change in this package right now because we will lose the opportunity for a generation and i think that democrats broadly speaking are committed to that, and i believe that if a vote comes, believe me, nancy pelosi's going to have the votes if she brings it to the floor. >> and charlie and michael, i want to talk about liz cheney for a moment, she was interviewed by lesley stahl on "60 minutes," and less lesley asked her about her past opposition to same-sex marriage despite her sister being gay let me play her answer. >> i was wrong i was wrong. i love my sister very much i love her family very much, and i was wrong. it's a very personal issue, very

personal for my family i believe that my dad was right and my sister and i have had that conversation. >> michael, first to you you know liz cheney, that was a very hard issue for her and hard answer >> this is an issue -- >> she's as -- as anyone on the house side on everything but january 6th. she voted 93% with donald trump on other issues. so she's -- you know, she's facing a very tough reelect as well >> i think this is an issue overall that has changed more in terms of public opinion and the public debate over the past five years than it has in the previous 5,000, and a lot of that change has come as a result of people talking to friends and particularly family, about their experiences in their lives, and it's a wonderful change to see happen i think it's exciting to see her on the right side of history on this issue, but you can see it's a personal and it's an emotional

issue as it is for so many people >> and charlie, i mean, we saw it as michael was just referring to, portman, others who have family members in the republican party. the big shift, big shift in public opinion. >> well, look, the hardest three words for people in politics to say these days are i was wrong, and you could tell this was deeply personal. this was a family issue. this was not a part of a political calculation. liz cheney did not -- was not looking at public opinion polls, didn't have her finger up. i also think, you know, testing the wind i also think in the context of that interview where she was so strong, you know, reaffirming that she was still a very conservative republican. that moment was striking, and i do think that it was -- it was authentic, it was genuine, and i think it reflected real emotion and that internal family dynamic. it was a remarkable moment >> another great interview by

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randi weingarten you've got the vast majority of schools and hospital workers in new york city vaccinated, very high numbers, i think 89% of school teachers but a minority that does not want to get those shots, and that's having a big impact. >> reporter: it is, andrea, and it's impacting people in terms of their families. think about those who will not get -- refuse to get the vaccine. they could lose their jobs, and that could impact their families the mayor of new york city, de blasio is hoping it won't impact the nearly 1 million students because he says he has thousands of substitute teachers lined up to fill in the gap if it should come into play, and he is hoping that later in the week when a full panel of court judges take a look at this restraining order that they'll lift it not everybody is hoping that that comes to pass some teachers are saying they don't want that restraining order lifted listen to one lawyer representing some teachers >> quite many of them are not anti-vaccination they're anti-mandate

i think the true thing that unites them all is that they're the only municipal workers in new york city that have been forced to get this vaccination >> reporter: and again, the mayor said just a short while ago 87% of all those department of education workers have been vaccinated, but he wants it higher than that andrea. >> so it's a pretty high vaccination rate, but he wants more and understandably. randi weingarten, 90% of your union members, maybe i said 89, i'm not sure where the difference lies, are vaccinated, the teachers are, but how do they feel about their colleagues who are still opposed to mandates >> so let me just say three things really quickly, andrea, and thank you for having me on number one, that the overwhelming number of teachers want, frankly, a vaccine mandate because they believe that it is good in terms of helping not

only themselves but their communities, their kids, their grandkids, and the kids that we serve. and in fact, the aft, who's always been pro-vaccine, actually said this we would work with -- and you know this -- not oppose our employers on these vaccine requirements when we saw what was going on with the delta variant. we believe in terms of new york city that our membership is actually up to about 97% that's what our local leader believes, but the issue here in new york is not a policy the issue is the implementation of it. part of any kind of vaccin policy, you have to have exemptions for sincere religious beliefs, and you have to have exemptions for medical issues. and what happened is that the mayor refused to do that that's why the municipal unions went to court in the first place and why i think that the circuit

court actually stayed the operation of this right now. and the second piece is that you also have to deal with the fact that these are schools so if all of a sudden half the cafeteria workers are not in school, how are we going to make sure that there's an egress, an ingress for kids into the cafeteria? you have to have the staffing set because overwhelmingly, it's not the particular date that's in important in terms of when a vaccine mandate kicks in, it's what the safety of the schools are. and frankly the principals and the teachers in new york city -- and i live there i heard it on the street all weekend long -- they just don't trust the mayor has the staffing right. they don't see it in their schools, and they don't trust him. >> and what about the pfizer vaccine, which we believe within days they could be submitting emergency use authorization for children from 5 to 12. now that would be a game changer, would it not, for school teachers? >> that would be a game changer because part and parcel of

where, you know, our angst all summer long was you have to protect the kids and so part of the adults getting vaccination is to protect the kids in schools. part of having universal masking is to protect the kids who can't get vaccinated so i would say that we should look at this whole year as one where we have to bump this we have to have some grace for the people who are fearful about vaccines we have to move to as many people vaccinated as possible including kids and young adults, and by next school year, we're going to have vaccine mandates not only as a condition of employment, but as a condition for going to school just like we did with polio and everything else but the bottom line is we got to keep kids safe sk >> randi weingarten, as always, it's really good to have your perspective, and of course our friend rehema ellis. and we have breaking news. after spending nearly four

decades in some form of psychiatric care, john hinckley jr., the man responsible for the failed assassination attempt of president reagan less than two months into his first term, has been granted an unconditional release from supervision nbc justice correspondent pete williams joins us now with the details. >> andrea, this would take place in june of 2022 provided, according to the judge, john hinckley satisfies a nine-month period of supervision and evaluation this has been a long time coming, andrea, bit by bit, step by step. you may remember that starting in 2016 he was granted conditional release. first he was allowed to visit his mother's home in williamsburg, virginia, leaving st. elizabeth's mental hospital, and he was allowed to take brief visits and longer visits and then he was allowed to stay there. a couple of things have happened since then first of all, his mother died in july she was 95 years old, so that's

one big change here, but the second big change is that the government's position has changed here the government consistently opposed unconditional release and then within the past few months, the government has basically reached the position where it says that it's satisfied that he's no longer a danger, and that if he satisfies this next nine-month period of evaluation, then the government will finally sign off on unsupervised release, and he'll be in essence free to come and go as he pleases so that's what's basically changed here, andrea. >> and the government is no longer objecting, if i understand it? >> precisely that's the deal. in theory the government could appeal this, but it's not going to this is something where the government has finally said, okay, we think he satisfies the rules for unconditional release. >> and we should also point out that one of the people shot in that, of course, really effectively ending many aspects of his life was jim brady, the

white house press secretary. and pete, also there's a new fbi report on the murder rate during the pandemic here. >> yeah, the interesting thing here, andrea, i think is two things number one, for the first time in four years, there's been an increase in the number of violent crimes one year compared to the next. this is new data looking at 2020, what happened last year compared to the year before, compared to 2019 so you have the violent crime rate go up, and you also had the biggest jump in the number of murders since the fbi began compiling these statistics for its uniform crime report up 29%. now, property crimes have been going down and that hasn't changed. they've been consistently going down for almost two decades, but the violent crime rate has been up and down and last year we saw a pretty significant increase, andrea >> pete williams, thanks so

much it was called the battle of the sexes, a self-described male chauvinist pig, versus the trail blazing feminists. 90 million people tuned in to watch the battle between billie jean king and bobby rigs in september of 1993. billie jean king went on to beat rigs in ten sets it was a bat for equality. in the podcast series, the latest episode focuses on billie jean king and the fight for justice. joining me now is jon meacham, the producer of that series with doc rivers he's a presidential historian who occasionally advises president biden. i love you branching out into sports especially -- >> it's an unlikely step, but yeah >> well, this was really, you know, right in my wheel house. i was young watching billie jean king who had some philadelphia roots with the philadelphia freedoms and all, and boy, this

was an epic match. 90 million people. >> it's almost impossible to imagine an audience that large in our disparate world you know, billie jean king marvelous athlete, marvelous advocate for equality, and she started in the, you know, creating a women's tour, trying to get prize money, trying to get access on an equal basis, and remember, this is all unfolding, of course, in the age of title 9 as the civil rights movement on a racial basis is unfolding and moving to legislatures and so forth. and so you have this immense cultural pivot point in a way where she wins this match and in a way it's terrible that she had to kind of prove her medal, but she did, and it was an inflection point in many ways.

>> and let me just say as someone who lived through title 9, didn't have the benefit of it, i've had at least two of my producers, my women producers oaf the decades who have played varsity sports, and it gave them leadership ability that, you know, my generation never had. title 9 was just critical, just as all the other major civil rights changes were. and billie jean was just honored at the u.s. open again on, you know, another anniversary of her great leadership but we see today still women soccer players fighting for equal pay, we see of course the horrible #metoo experience of our gymnasts so, you know, equality in sports is still fundamental to what you're examining

i just heard the other day from billy jean king something like 4 -- women's sports get something like 4 % of the media coverage that male sports do and so it requires a focus of habit of heart, a habit of mind, a habit of attention for those of us to actually -- if you believe in the country, and this country is being defended and fought over in some different spheres. just look over your broadcast over the last 50 minutes and think of the number of issues you've talked about. from vaccine mandates to infrastructure, to trust in the system it's an entire group of important questions. we have so decide are we up to self-government, and if we are, then we have to fully assent, fully buy into the full

implications of the assertion that we're all created equal and as lincoln said, we deserve an open field and a fair chance for our industry, intelligence, and enterprise and that's about the economy and civil rights and sports and sports as ever in american life is this vivid metaphor it's this thing that has the capacity even within the competitive framework to unify us and i'd argue, and one of the things we're trying to do with doc rivers and this broadcast is, in sports, you have a set of rules. you follow them. there's a result you accept the result. and then you play again. and i know about 60% of the republican party that could learn from that right now. >> and where would the president's whole agenda be without oh, someone named nancy pelosi just speaking of women's leadership in paris arenas it's all on her. >> absolutely. absolutely and it's -- and president obama

credits her in his memoir with health care act. the affordable care act. you know, speaker pelosi is this formidable figure and really terrific at what she does. and so the notion that we are fighting these battles, these retro grade battles over gender, over identity, over race, is something that we should acknowledge and prez on. let's get this right you know we have a proposition. we have a proposition of created equ equality let's fulfill that promise >> congratulations on the new podcast and thank you for joining us and that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports" follow us online hallie jackson is in for chuck todd next.

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