the test. most important, it's where i met the brilliant, beautiful daughter of the south side named michelle robinson. we were married here. had our reception right down at the south shore cultural center. our daughters were born here, right down the street, at the hospital. we bought our first home here a few blocks away. it's where i taught law and michelle worked with students at the university and patience at the hospital. it's where i announced my first campaign for public office at what at least known as the ramada inn on lake shore drive. it's where i first had the honor of serving constituents. all that happened within a few-mile radius of here.

chicago is where almost everything that is most precious to me began. it's where i found a home. now, obviously michelle and i have been on a fairly extraordinary journey since then. one we could have never imagined all those years ago. but as far as we've come, i never lost sight of some important lessons that i learned right here in chicago. the first involves the power of place. the need to anchor our efforts to build a better world, not in theories and abstractions, but in neighborhoods and communities. and by now, most people know that i come from a pretty diverse background. i was born in hawaii. my parents are from kenya and

kansas. as a child i lived in indonesia. i have family whose gene pool stretches from ireland to china. i have lifelong friends who come from every corner of the world. and that background helps explain my core belief in the oneness of humanity. a belief in the god-given dignity and worth of all people and the underlying bonds that we share. it's why i believe america's diversity is a strength, not a weakness. the only way we can solve our biggest challenges from climate change to economic inequality is if we recognize those common bonds and learn to work together across divides of race and religion and language and culture. but as strongly as i hold to that belief, chicago taught me that change doesn't start on a global scale. change starts one person at a

time. one school at a time. one neighborhood at a time. one community at a time. the internet and social media can connect us and raise awareness about issues that matter, but it's only when we root ourselves in specific communities that we can understand the realities of people's lives and their complexity. that's where we build relationships and the trust that change requires. that's how we test our commitments and assumptions and we learn to navigate our differences and refine the strategies and programs that ultimately transform the world. the second thing chicago gave me was a faith that ordinary people working together can do extraordinary things. rarely in our history has

progress arrived from on high, the abolition of slavery, better working conditions, cleaner air and water. lgbtq rights, women's rights, all these things gain traction because a critical mass of people got involved, got engaged and came together to make their voices heard. and, yes, that process can be contentious, as i'm sure the governor and mayor are aware. it can take time. but in the end, it's the most effective, most inclusive most durable way to move the world as it is towards the world as it should be. the idea of participation, of active citizenship also happens to be at the heart of our american experiment in

self-government. this country was built on the belief that any of us, no matter who we are, where we come from, how much money we have, what our last name is, any of us can recognize where our nation has fallen short, challenge the status quo, and pull america a little closer to our highest ideals. and that same faith and democracy has overthrown tyrants and liberated countries and delivered greater opportunity and freedom and dignity to billions of people around the world. so my experience in chicago made me believe in the power of place and the power of people. those beliefs guided me all the way through my presidency. and they have shaped our vision for the obama presidential center. we are about to break ground on what will be the world's premiere institution for

developing civic leaders across fields, across disciplines and, yes, across the political spectrum. a forum for those who want to strengthen democratic ideals and foster active citizenship, a campus where we hope to empower the next generation of leaders, not just in government and public service, but those who intend to bring about change through the arts or journalism, or start businesses who are inclusive, socially responsible and responsible -- and responsive to the challenges of our time. we want this center to be more than a static museum or a source of archival research. it won't be a collection of campaign memorabilia or michelle's ball gowns. although, i know everybody will come see those.

it won't just be an exercise in nostalgia and looking backwards, we want to look forward. we want this to be a thriving home for concerts, cultural events, lectures, trainings. we want to have fellows with real-world experience to share what's happening. we envision this as a place where residents and visitors from all over the world come together and restore the promise of the people's party. so that will be the core mission of the center and our foundation programming. inspiring and empowering citizens and communities to act on the biggest challenges of our time, giving leaders the tools they need to be effective and preparing young people everywhere to pick up the baton and help change the world. and along the way, we want the

obama presidential center to change chicago for the better. this center will support thousands of jobs during and after construction. many of the right here on the south side. it will help spark economic owth in this community by bringing as many as 750,000 visitors to this area every single year. visitors who will eat, shop, explore and spend money, strengtheng the south side and making it an even mor attractive place for businesses to grow and to hire. the center will also preserve and enhance all of the things that make jackson park special. we'll reunify parkland, plant new trees, provide new habitat for birds and wildlife. but as michelle noted, we are also going to open this park up to the community, creating a

community rec center, another branch of the chicago public library, creating new spaces for folks from theouth side and all over the city to gather and to connect and to learn. i'll close by sing that it feels natural for michelle and me to want to give back to chicago and to the south side in particular. the pce where she grew up and i came into my own, where our children were born, where w made so many friends and where i launched my political career. we will always be grateful for that. and the obama presidential center is ouray of repaying some of what this amazing city has gen us. but we're also building the center because we believe it can speak toome of the central struggles of our time.

are living through a moment of rapid disruption and technology and the global economy, in our social arrangements and environment a those disruions can be scary. and too often it feels as if our major institutions have failed to respond effectively to these disruptions, to help people find economic securit or manage our differences or protect our planet. wh we've seen that in the breach a culture of cynicism a mistrust can grow. we start seeing more division and increasingly bitter conflict. the politics that feeds anger and resentment towards those who aren't like us. and starts turning away from democratic principlein favor of tribalism and might mes

right. this is true in europe and in asia, true in latin america and in africa. and it hpens to be true here at home. but the good news is, we ca reverse these trends. i don't believe it's inevitable that we succumb to paralysis or mutual hatred. as has been true throughout our history, i believe we have it in us to reimagine our institutions, to make them responsive to today's challenges and rebuild our societies in a way that gives more and more people aetter life. and i believe it because i've seen it. i've seen i in the work of young activists and social entrepreneurs right here in

chicago from the north side, to the south side, to the west side. from oakland to johannesburg, from ho chi minh city to rio de janeiro, there a young people who are not waiting for someo else to solve big problems. instead, in the face of sometimes impossible odds, they're rolling up their sleeves and putting down stas and making a difference one neighborhood, school, community at a time. they're building health clinics in urban slums and educating gis in rural villas. they're reforming policing and challenging corruption. they're inventing new ways to cut carbon emissions and providing clean water to those who need it. they're building businses on

principles of equity and sustainability and giving works a stake in their company's success this coming generation, this generation of zel and trenton and others, ty are the source of my hope. it's the imagination, their resilience, their embrace of diversity, their belief that every voice counts their deep commitment to protecting the planet and challenging long-standing injustice that i believe will se all of us. and through this center, we intend to give these young people and those who are coming up behind them whatever training, support, resources and platfos they need to fully realize their potential, to collabate and share ideasnd to bring their dreams to scale.

michelle and i cannot imagine a better legacy than that. we cannot imagine a better investment than that. for this next generation of leaders in chicago and around the world, we see ourselves. we didn't start out in washington. i didn't start off as president. i started o right down the street. and theessons i learned in these neighborhoods ended up shaping the rest of my life. the oba presidential center is our way of showing young people evywhere that they can do the same. and i could not be more excited to officially break ground and get us one step close to making

that vision a reality. thank you vy much. now we're going to go grab some shovels and break some ground. ank you, everybody. [ applause ] >> you have been watching,f course, forrresident back obama at the cemonial groundbreaki of his presential centern the cy of chicago. you can see t present, t first dy heang down to those shovels rht there for that photo-op. shaq brewster is in chicago for this. the former president has been talking more about this, he had the exclusive ierview on abc this morning in which he said he was confident that this place, this location wld be an asset to the cmunityn whic it ts. he tked i hispeech tre about wanting to see this as a forward-looking hub for

inkers, fornnovators all over the countr >> reporter: right. at's exactly right, hallie. and that's sething you heard phasized when you heard from the yor ere. you heard them emphasize the investme that it's bnging to the south sidef chicago, this jackso park are and that is why you're hearing the president emphasize this point. one thing that you notice is with this presidential museum, they emphasis it's a presidential center. d it will have the 235 buding that wilbe the corner store of this cenr. but this is going to be a very active space with sledding hills, different forums, a recording studio on the campus, athletic fields that will be here. ey're reallymphasizing the idea of the community coming in and beingart of thisenter as they're basing it here in the south side. we also know that president obama is emphasizing inclusion not only when the center is

built, but also as it's being constructed. more than half of the contractors that have been awarded contracts for this project are either women or people of color. the architect is a black woman. they're emphasizing the idea that they want this project to be as inclusive as possible, to be as reflective of chicago as possible. you also mention the delay that we've had to getting to this point. we were supposed to be watching and witnessing the opening of the obama presidential center this year. instead, we're just seeing the ceremonial groundbreaking. that comes after years of political debates and legal fights that went all the way up to the u.s. supreme court, hallie. and that goes to the point that you heard some activists making. there was a plane flying overhead just before president obama took the stage here saying they wanted to protect our park. that goes to show you, there wereome hures to finally getting to this day, hallie. >> and i made you talk as the event was still going on behind you as far as the actual photo piece of it and the shovels. thank you for that.

you have quite the seat, my friend, there at this ceremonial groundbreaking. shaqrewster live for us in the city of chicago. thank you very much. from chicago now back here to washingto and a ton of breaking news as we come on the air on this very busy afternoon behind me on capitol hill. you have the last-minute push by democrats to getoing on key parts of the biden agenda, running into new roadblocks with the senate showdown happening right now. and right around now, so are meetings between president biden an merates withrogressives fiting back, reiterati ty will not vote for the $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill, roads and brids, unless the's a vote on t bigge socia speing bill tied that. and e firerks a t sate ard sviceshearing. present biden'eneral seemg to contrict their commandein chi and eac otr atimes and the joint chiefsefendi himlf after a new bo's revelion abo his

fina daysnhe tmp admistrati. re on that, plus the white house's defense in just the last couple of minutes coming up in just a bit. i want to start on capitol hl with leigh ann caldwell. we're hearing about the standoff on the debt limit. bring us up to speed on what we missed in the last 20 minutes or so. >> reporter: yeah, hallie. so republicans have been saying that they will offer no help to democrats to suspend or lift the debt limit which secretary yellen says expires on october 18th. what senator schumer did, he went to the senate floor and he asked republicans to let them bypass that process that forces republicans to beinvolved, the 60-vote threshold. senator schumer said, look,et us vote -- or pass this with just 50s votes and then we'll do it. you don't have to have any fingerprints. but senator mcconnell objected.

let's listen to what senator schumer responded after that. >> simply allow for simple majority threshold to raise the debt ceiling and avoid this neless catastrophe that republicans have steer us toward. we are simply asking senator mcconnell toive by his own example. we have given the republicans what they want. and now the ball is in tir court. we're just asking rublicans, get out of the way. >> so leader mcconnell himself objected to that. he offered his own unanimous consent requesthich was to make it easier for democrats to add a suspension of the debt limit to the partisan, human infrastructure bill that they're currently trying to negotiate. senator schumer objected to that. hallie, we're in the exact same

place with the governmen set to shut down thursday night and the debt limit deadlinen october 18th. >> that's that pair of deadlines. you also have the negotiating that's going on between prressives and moderates. president biden trying toroker some of that with the meetings at the white house on the big socialpending bill, they want to see link today the roads and bridges bill. pelosi says she wants a vote on this on thursday. are they going to get there? >> reporter: it's unclear right now. it's looking unlikely. if what they're saying publicly is what they're saying privately. the head of the progressive caucus, she insists that she has the support of at least 60 members who would sink that partisan infrastructure bill if they don't get a vote first on this multitrillion dollar social safety net bill. and now they have support from the senate, senator bernie sanders, a leading progressive.

he just tweeted in the last few minutes saying that he urges progressives in the house to vote against that bipartisan bill saying that this is a broken commitment that those two pieces of legislation were supposed to go in tandem. meanwhile, president biden, as you mentioned, is meeting with two key moderate senators who everyone is trying to figure out what exactly they stand for in this entire negotiation. senators manchin and sinema. and joe manchin says, once ain, which is the same thing he told me yesterday, he's given no commitment to anyone, including the president. it's unclear how ty get to that threshold to pass this bipartisan bill on thursday, a member of congress was just walking by me she said i promise we' going to get this done. it's going t happen. i said this week? and shesaid, probably not. >> well, that says a lot right the.

leigh ann caldwell, stay close to a camera. thank youery much. we're going to have more on this budgethowdow later on in t show wh the chair of the house budget committee john yarmuth. we want to stay on capitol hill and on top of the senate armed services committee that continues on the biden administration's exit from afghanistan. watch. >> isn't it true that you left americans behind on august the 31st? >> there are americans -- there were americans that were still in afghanistan and still are. we ctinue to wor to try to get those americans out. >> that's yes. >> i recommended that we maintain 2,500 troops in afghanistan. >> if all of this is true, why haven't you resigned? would you use the term extraordinary success for what took place in august in afghanistan? >> it was a logistical success but a strategicfailure. >> i am ctain tha president trump did not intend to attack

the chinese. >> did you talk to bob woodward or robert costa for their book? >> woodward, yes, costa, no. >> bring in our reporters on capitol hill, courtney kube is at the pentagon, shannon pettypiece and joined by defense reporter for "politico." there were several headlines. we heard bits and pieces of some. give us your top takeawaysrom today. >> reporter: a contentious hearing. one thing that stood out was general milley and mckenzie saying they had preferred to keep about 2,500 u.s. troops in afghanistan. essentially that they opposed that complete withdrawal and mckenzie sayinge recommended that to president biden and that contradicts something that president biden said about that. let's roll the tape. >> your military advisers did

not tell you, we should keep 2,500 troops, we can do at, we can continue to do that? >> no, no one said that to me that i can recall. >> i was present when that discussion occurre and i'm coidenthat t president hear all the recommendations and listened to them very thghtfully. recommended that weaintain 2,500 tros in afghanistan. >> general milley, i assume you agreed with that in terms of the recommendation of 2,500? >> and i agree with that. >> reporter: you had milley addressing the china situation saying it was in no way an attempt to usurp authority. it was also several military leaders who talked about the doh a agreement signed by then president trump and the taliban which these leaders said demoralized afghan forces essentially saying that president biden at a center level was ham strung by that agreement and it led to a more

swift collapse of the afghan state. secretary lloyd austin talked about uncomfortable truths that the u.s. was not able to stand up a sustaining stake in afghanistan. essentially, suggesting that maybe the united states was not so good at the project of nation-building, particularly in this situation. as far as democrats go, there was a mix of offense and defense. some of them asked tough questions about the recent botched drone strike as well as americans stranded in afghanistan and one quote stood out for senator elizabeth wren who said the failures should not be focused on just the last few months and the withdrawal, but really the last several years. she said the seeds of the u.s. failure in afghanistan was planted many, many years ago. hallie? >> shannon, in the last maybe hour or so, we heard from the white house, press secretary jen psaki, defending that

discrepancy between president biden and his generals. talk through the way that the white house is looking to defend the president here in light of what we heard today at this testimony. >> reporter: so the white house is framing this as the president having been presented with a range of options and having gotten advice fm a number of individuals which is what they said rtinely happens in the white house. you have people comein, they present options, they make recommendations. at one point, press secretary jen psaki said this is not like a movie where decisions are made in black and white. here's a little bit mor of what she had to say today. >> well, let me give you a full -- a couple of specifics from the actual transcrt because i know it's been shorthande a bit. no malintent. but the question asked, your top military advisers warne against withdrawing on this time line. they wanted you to keep 2,500 troops. the president said, no they didn't, it was split.

that wasn't true. i think that's a key part of that phrasing there. >> reporter: and she declined to detail who recommended what, saying they're private conversations regarding private advi that was given to the president. but big pictur she said in the white house's defense has been that this was a decision the president was going to make at the end of the day. you could put aside what was advised to him by who. this was the president's decision and the president decided that aer 20 years, it was time to bring u.s. troops home. that staying longer could have put u.s. troops at risk and that is why the president made the desion that he made ultimately. >> courtney, when you look, though, there were some unanswered questions. for all the questions that were laid out in the testimony today andeing asked by senars on both sides of the aisle,here's pieces of information that we do know if these leaders in the defee agencies that run the

country don't know. for example, as it relates to equipment on the ground, as it relates to some other pieces of this. what stood out to you? >> reporter: there are a lot of things about the afghanistan withdrawal that i didn't get a clear picture on today. one was just the number of americans. that's been an issue for weeks now. how many americans are still there in afghanistan. how many are trying to get out. how many potential siv applicants. we didn't get a better sense of that today. senator tim kaine said you better get an answer with that during the lunch break and he came back with an answer. but he didn't have more specifics than that. that was one thing we didn't get any more about the deadly drone strike that killed ten civilians. they talked about that being under investigation and there's been a review ordered for that. we didn't get any more about -- we heard quite a bit about the intelligence leading up to the withdrawal. but we still don't have a really

good sense of exactly where the breakdown was that led to the u.s. not seeing the taliban was moving through quickly and they would be able to take over the country while american troops were still there. now, it's important to point out the vast majority of u.s. troops were out of afghanistan by mid-july. that was the plan all along. and we heard that today. in fact, we heard it in that timeline, that when the president came to the u.s. -- the military and said, i want all troops out, general milley laid out his plan, it was approved. all layers of the government knew about it. it was very straight forward. and it included most u.s. troops getting out by mid-july. the only presence that would be there would be about 650 who were assigned to the embassy security and some airport security. so -- but what we still don't have a sense is, why that was not factored in, that mid-july, most troops would be out. there was this assumption that the taliban wouldn't try to take the country back until after

august 31st when the official u.s. withdrawal actually was complete. despite the fact that there are dozens left on the ground there in that interim time and the taliban circled the city and took over the country in that period of time. we still don't know how that was missed. but it clearly was missed and that was an acknowledgement that we heard from all three of them on the panel today, hallie. >> laura, jump in here with your thoughts. >> so i certainly agree with courtney. there are a lot of unanswered questions we did not get really very good answers from austin or milley or mckenzie on what options are going to be available for the united states when it comes to continuing counterterrorism stres in afghanistan now that the americ troops are out. and thi connues to a problem as w saw wh ts drone strike in kabul that cidently kille ten civilians in augt and the milita has acknowledged this. this is somethinghat many are

concned cld be a b problem going forrd and dermines confidt in intelligence gathing capabilities and the abily to >> let me -- i'm sorry. i ought you were done. finish your thought >> i was just going to say, another thing that cretary austin and general milley addressed was the decision to leave bagram air base two months before the deadline. and my reporting shows that this indeed was the plan all along and that once president biden made this decision to withdraw from afghanistan, the military did a 180. they were urging him to keep troops in the country. after the decision they embraced as fast of a withdrawal as possible. the crucial piece of that decision was leaving bagram and

this was partially responsible to the disaster that we saw happening in kabul. >> it wasn't just all about afghanistan. it's mostly about that, courtney. things came up that were revealed that we've been reporting over the last week or so that came out in that book, "peril" that general milley said. that phone call to his chinese counterpart assuring him that the u.s. would not attack, if he did, he would give a heads-up. a discussion with house speaker nancy pelosi that was reported in the book. there was a little bit of push back from general milley, his first on-camera rebuttals to this. >> he defended his role in both of the events. he explained that the call, there was a large interagency process on it, there was a script. it was planned weeks in advance and it was part of his authorized role as chairman of the joint chiefs. on the nuclear meeting, he explained how that came about. it was him gathering his staff together and he was clear to say

that at no point was he trying to usurp or circumvent authority with that. what i was struck by, though, today, hallie, is senator masha blackburn pushed general milley on his conversations with the authorities and acknowledged that he spoke with a number of the authorities of those books. that's something we've not heard about before. he admitted he spoke with authors for these anonymous books. the hearing went on and just a couple of moments before we went on the air, just now, it just ended, but senator josh hawley was asking him again about it and he insinuated that general milley was so busy talking to author and is worrying about his reputation that he was too busy to worry about what was going on in afghanistan and he called on general milley and secretary austin to resign. it was a tse moment in that hearing. probably one of the higher

intensity moments of the entire hearing all day today, hallie. >> and we know senator hawley who has been trying to go after general milley throughout the meeting. thanks to all of you. appreciate your time. we have a busy afternoon ahead, including, yeah, there he is, the chair of the house budget committee, congressman john yarmuth. he's going to break a lot of news on this show. he's going to tell us exactly where negotiations stand and what happens next. a sneak peek into the trump white house tell all. the president's third press secretary says about her former boss and why she never spoke to the press at all. o t the press at all we welcomehange? we can make emergency medicine possible at 40,000 feet. instead of burning our past for power, we can harness the energy of the tiny electron.

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developments from capitol hill as the deadline counts down closer to a government shutdown with democrats looking to move key pieces of legislation. i want to bring in congressman john yarmuth, chair of the house budget committee. also a member of the house progressive caucus. good afternoon and thank you very much for being with us on what i know is a busy day for you. >> good to be with you, hallie. >> hold nothing back. tell us everything. what is happening right now. >> i've been saying to people when they ask me, anybody who thinks they know what's going to happen is either diluted or lying. because right now there really is no clear path forward on any these items. i think we're going to end up passing a infrastructure bill, a partisan infrastructure bill. i think we're going to end up passing the build bac better act in some form. we're going to fund the government and we'll end up doing something to avoid defaulting on the national debt. we have a few weeks to do that, it looks like. the others not so much. we're going to pass a bill this

week on cr, connuing resolution to fund the government to avoid ahutdown. >> the cr will pass, but the other two, the bipartisan infrastructure bill, roads and bridges, that' the more standard infrastructure bill. there's als the bigger social spending bill that right now has a price tag of 3 1/2 trillion. you say you're confint you're going to pass both of those. ho and in what order and when? that's what's so critical to this. >>f i rub my crystal ball, i ink what i would see happening is that there will be enough insurances given to progressives over the next couple of days, they will not hold the bipartisan infrastructure bill up and we'll vote on that on thursday or friday and pass that. that would go to the president. some of them are saying ty want to wait until the senate passes the build back betterct which is unreasonable and i think they know it's

unreasonable. but there's still a lot of posturing going on and this, unfortunately, is how we pass legislation these days. >> but this is really interesting, congressman. what you seem to be saying -- and i want to be clear on this -- you're saying that for members of the house progressive caucus, assurances will be enough to get this vote on the bipartisan infrastructure bill done this week. >> yeah. i think so. i've talkedo a lot of progressives and, again, some are sounding pretty adamant. but i think in the final analis, they're going to reize that the -- that this is their objective and the only way to get it done is to have some trust, and that's i think what speaker pelosi's number one task right now. i think the president's engaged in that effort as well. but the ones i've talked to are more pragmatic than they sound when they're drawing these lines. and it's unfortunate they are. but a lot of these members who are now the ones speaking out and drawing the lines have

actually never been in a governing majority in the congress before. they all came to congress after 2010. they're seeing their opportunity to be real players with our thin margins, they have that opportunity. they're taking advantage of it. but i think ultimately they know that it's to everybody's benefit, primarily to the american people's benefit that we get both of these bills done. >> you're not blong kisses to the progressive caucus. evenenator sander bernie sanders this afternoon has come out and said that house democrats, he thinks, should te down the infrastructure bill. what is the number? let's talk numbers. what's the number of progressives that you think will go ainst senator sanders and will join it sounds like what you want, get the bipartisan infrastructure bill done with assurances that the next bill comes next. >> well, of cour, it depends on the nature of the assurances. i think --

>>xplain that. >> well,f it were just saying, hey, we're going to work hard and get a deal, that's probably not going to be enough. if the actual details of what we're talking about and actual topline number, which i don't think we ought to focus on, but a lot of people are focused on, and an understanding of what we're going to do with the individual initiatives like childcare and early childhood education and senior care and so forth, whether we're going to cut the duration of them or impose some kind of smaller income limits on the beneficiaries, as long as we have an understanding of where that's going, then i think the progressives will feel condent enough that they'll vote for the infrastructure bl. again, the progresses -- >> the next 48 hours? >> yeah, i do. >> okay. lete ask you, i should note, senator manchin, we just caugh up with him as he was coming back to the capitol as he was talkg with reporters, the phone rang.

one of the president's top advisers. he said there were no commments made at all, just good negotiations i have to ask you, you referenced it at the top of this conversation, the debt ceiling crisis we have explained over and over again on the show, the real world consequences if t u.s. defaults on its debt. old spending, not future, new upcoming spending to be clear. how d you manage to find a solution here gen that republicans are being very clear and insist tent, as we saw this afternoon, they're not budging. >> well, we're going to pass this week a clean debt limit suspension and that will put i think the republican senators in a tough spot. yeah, they've all said they're going to vote to default. if there's no way to confuse it with a continuing resolution, it's a clean bill on the debt limit. it's a clean -- if they vote against it, it will be a vote to

default on the credit of the united states and maybe you can pull ten away from mitch. if that doesn't happen, we're going to have to -- unless the administration can come up with a strategy, printing the platinum coin worth several trillion dollars or basically just ignore the law and test the constitutional relevance of the law, then we'll have to do -- we'll have to go to reconciliation and do that. that's a problem because it takes a little time to do that. and according to secretary yellen, we have roughly to october 18th. it will probably take two weeks to -- almost two weeks to go through that process. yeah, it's very nerve-racking and it's a shame. my senator, mcconnell, has said we have to raise the debt limit, but we're not going to do it. it makes no sense. it's like a mother saying, i know i have to feed my child to keep her live, but i'm not going too it. i'm going to relyn the nasty neighborhood acrs the street

to do it. >> i'm out of time, congressman. i have to ask you quickly, you have this plan now to try to avoid this dow the road, right, to eliminate this sort of weirdly traditional drama over the debt ceiling that keeps coming up in congress. in ten sonds or less explain what that is. >> it would give the president the right to raise the debt limit or suspend and congress would have the ability to disapprove of the president's action. it was actually -- this is an idea that was conceived by mitch mcconnell. itill be interesting to see how he reacts to that. >> congressman, as promised, making a lot of news with us this afternoon. thank you. we hope to have you bk soon. appreciate your time. >> thanks. want to get to interesting developments that are breakg this afternoon with "the wall street journal" releasing another report on instagram and facebook's push to attract tweens, preteens. this all comes ahead of some politically significant

testimony this week, it shows the company formed a team to study preteens, set a three-year goal to create more products for them and commission strategy papers about the long-term business opportunities presented by these potential users. in one presentation, the journal says, facebook contemplated whether there might be a way to engage children during play dates. why do we care about tweens said one document from last year? they're a valuable but untapped audience. with me now, technology reporter for "the wall street journal" and behind this scoop here. jeff, i think that a parent might go, they're an untapped audience for a reason. they're not even teenagers yet. they're preteens, tweens, we're talking about kids here. what's going on? >> so the company has a very large business problem and it does happen to involve children. the business problem is that instagram is not very popular -- not nearly as popular with really young users as snapchat and tiktok. i'm talking users who are below

the age of 13. that's the legal cutoff generally for access to these platforms. so the company has been looking at ways that it can either enhance the attractiveness of its existing preteen products, such as messenger kids, or ways that it can create new things that might attract them. in some instances, they've been looking at ways that maybe they might be able to push kids who are under that age limit onto the platform as is. they certainly have looked at the question of whether they could lift, quote/unquote, barriers to sharing by preteens on the platform. >> do you expect this to come up during testimony week on the hill? i would think the answer is yes, but you tell me. talk through facebook's response here. the head of instagram, obviously, owned by facebook, told nbc news exclusively this week that they would put a pause on the development of instagram kids. what else is the company telling you? >> we startedalking with

instagram last week and the news came out on monday that they were calling off the instagram kids program. itoes seem very liky as a thing that would come up. i'mandidly not clear that the facebook executive testifying is someone who is directly exposed to this work. my sense is, she really does more safety stuff and is kind of in a different part of the company than the par of the company that is working on owth initiatives involving young people. but it seems very likely that she will be getting asked to answer questions about all of this. >> jeff horowitz, it's important reporting for any parent with a kid with a phone and a social media account. thank you very much. next up on the show, what then president trump was apparently telling vladimir putin on this day in 2019. as soon as reporters left the room. a couple other big revelations from one former press secretary's upcoming book.

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by now, you know some folks are feeling trump fatigue, from scandals, stories, controversy z emerging from his time in office. i covered them, you've seen them. but wait, there's more according to former press secretary. behind the scenes accounts of what was happening during sharpie gate, remember that? and the first time melania trump wear the i don't care do you. and the conversations with world leaders in 2019, like vladimir putin. the former president told i'm going to act a little tufr wh you for a few minutes but it is for the cameras but then we'll talk. you understand. one conversation ranged h gallbladders work to many deadly

creatures of australia to why rich guys love space. and here is another new one. th mr. trump's handlers designated an unnamed white house findings music man to play favorite sho tunes and memories to pull him from the brink of ra because his temper was so intense. white house staff straight up lied to him, deals some inappropriate sexual comments, explained to staff or about them. she writes the former president's marching orders were you just dy it. that's what you do in every situation, right, stephanie? just deny it. with me, josh. good afternoon to you. >> how are you. >> i'm all right. tough to even talk about,e'll get into the contents of the book. u have to talk about credibility of the person sharing the stories. this is somebody with donald trump fromhe beginning of his campaign, talking like very

early days who never held a briefing when she got promoted to press secretary, who credibility was put into queson from some of her behavior when she was at the white house, who is now doing a tell all book, telling a lot for sure i have a note he for legal and standards team response from the former president's spokesperson saying t book is another pitiful attem to cash in on the president's strenh and sell lies about the trump family. former first lady's office says through mistruth and betrayal she seeks to gain money at the expee of mrs. trump, referring to grisham's poor behavior at the white house. she said she didn't want to hold a briefing, didn't want to be forced to say something that wasn't true. shouldn't we trust what she's writing here? >> good question. i think readers can decide on their own. she did hold some fairly prominent positions in the white house. >> that's right.

>> she was thehief of staff to the first lady of the united states. she was -- she never held any briefings, and again, goes to the question ifhere were all these credibility questions, why was she named press secretary and for the first lady of the united states. >> talk about to the point they're trying t disparage her after they promoted her. >> saying shes not trustworthy, this, that. something the former president has done when they are too political. this person is an idiot, moron. but he hired these people, put them in the white house in top jobs. all that said, stephanie's book, if you read it carefully, i spent a couple days reading it, she's honest about who she wayne some of the situations.

>> she says you don't have to like me. she's straight up about that. >> she's candid in the book. doesn't cast herself by some folks in the trump era cast themselves as these panacea characters trying to save the president from all sorts of deleterious acts, keep them from doing x, y, or z. she doesn't cast herself that way. >> let me quickly get to a couple stories. one interesting piece was a mystery i remember covering on a saturday over the course of a full weekend on mystery trip to walter reed in 2019. i remember why is he there, what's going on. she alludes, doesn't have to say it, says it without saying it, it was a colonoscopy, right? >> that's what she says. he did not want to go under anesthesia, did not want vice president pence to take over,

didn't want to be the butt of late night jokes. what in her mind was a pretty standard procedure that was not that risky, there was great misdirection, less than honest about something she said wasn't that severe, wasn't much to worry about at all. >> talk about tip toeing around something else, the piece talks abt when george w. bush died, staff arranged for theormer president's family to have use of air for one wch is customary, but hid most details from donald trump because ty were scared of his reaction. seems like something a lot of people would have had to be in on, josh. >> yeah. she says that everyone knew the former president disliked dead bodies, folks aren't telling the extent to which they were lending the plane to be fing back here. that is not an anecdote i have reported or confirmed, but in

her telling the former press secretary, former chief of staff tohe first lady, there was a great misdirection behind the scenes, subterfuge to keep the president from knowing his plane was being used. >> josh, speed reader, thank you so much. i am sure we'll see you soon. thanks for watching this hour "deadline white house" starts after this quick break. "deadline white house" starts after this quick break only tylenol rapid release gels have laser-drilled holes. they releaseedicinfast for fast pain lief. tylenol rapid release gels. subway® has so much new it didn't fit in our last ad. like the new artisan italian and hearty multigrain bread. it's the eat fresh refresh™ at subway®. it's so much new there's no time for serena! wait, what?! sorry, we don't even have time to say they were created by world class bakers! oh, guess did! seriously?! my bad.

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