good day, erin, on a beautiful day in washington. i'm andrea mitchell, this is andrea mitchell reporting on capitol hill where the senate is in the middle of voting, the final votes to keep the government open. the house is expected to take up and pass a stopgap measure this afternoon. now nancy pelosi faces her hardest test. a house divided, a senate balking, and a lot on the line. >> we are bringing it up to do so in a way that can win and so far so good for today. it is goingings in a positive direction. it is positive to persuade people to vote without the reassurances of the reconciliation bill.

i can't stay too long because i have to deal with step by step with this but i'm envisioning taking it up and winning it. let me tell you about negotiating at the end, that is when you really have to weigh in, you cannot tire, you cannot concede. it is this is the fun part. >> this is the fun part, she says. the speaker and no one knows this better. she is taking these negotiations one hour at a time and leaning in to get some extra innings with the president at the annual congressional baseball game last night. three democratic lawmakers will be joining us here on capitol hill to talk about how to break the current stealmate. and we're going to talk about cuba's response to protests and the pandemic. let's start with garrett haake

and peter alexander. garrett, you have all of the action, a lot of action from manchin that i understand he will be coming out and speaking. we have some nebraskas, we heard from the speaker, bring us up to date. >> first, let's dispense with the illegal shut down part of it. the house is expected to act later today. we're probably in good shape on a shut down. you played some of the conversations with reporters from the last hour in which she painted a very optimistic bath forward. and talking about the challenges but also the fun she sees in negotiating including with joe manchin that i asked her about specifically. and she eluded more to what joe

manchin wants and what he didn't. we all started to find out what joe manchin wants. a document that he steined that he gave to chuck schumer saying here is where i start on reconciliation if we're going to begin this process. a lower corporate tax rate than democrats want to go for, an and agreement not to start dealing on reconciliation an degree ya, that is tomorrow, i don't think it is a kouns dense that he is suddenly sharing these now as the negotiations heat up. >> what is the president doing now to help the speaker? there has been conversation, you heard it, i heard it. that the president, they don't think, has been engaged enough and you saw those pictures of the speaker leaning over the

dugout to talk to the president last night? >> that is right, the president has been engaged, but not at least publicly right now. the last time we heard from him publicly was approaching 72 hours ago on monday. i'm told they came by a senior administration official they spoke by phone yesterday and also they met with manchin, and the calls are growing with the president to be more public and forceful in his effort to try to bring democrats together in this effort right now. this is a perilous and pivotal week. the president is leaning into what got him into this position. his years of service where he would listen and try to find out where each side was and then look for the positions of compromise. right thousand it seems like it is not effectively, at least for today's deadline, meeting the

needs that democrats want right now and it is putting more pressure on the president. i was speaking with officials, asking would the president go to the hill. they say that he will be. doing more calls today, more meetings an strategy sessions. >> we understand that he just spoke again. and what happened with the infrastructure bill, and his general viewpoint about reconciliation. listen to this and we'll talk on the other side. >> if it all goes down today, they're going to explain they're going to use one hostage other the other. i'm not, i cannot accept our economy or basically our oat

society moving towards people being entitled. i'm more about rewarding people that can help themselves. >> people are pushing through the reconciliation bill today. joe manchin is still interesting in rescuing his hostage. so the effort to link them together needs to work. it is working well with progressives, it means testing and the community can college, pre-k, which elements, but he is, he talked about means testing or providing job requirements. and that will need to be fleshed out, and that is something he has been talking about for next year and that will not fly with the rest of the democratic

caucus. >> we're going to get to that in a minute. i was struck about what nancy pelosi said about this reconciliation be being the cull min nation of her work which is a lifetime on work on the hill. >> yeah. well, she dismissed a follow up question from a colleague of hours, jake sherman, about what that word cull min nation means. shy was wrapping up her career as speaker at the end of two terms. and she has not gone back to talk about that. she left the doors open to continuing or not continuing, whar the case may be, but i think that word cull min nation suggesting a certain degree of finality that had a lot of us watching her closely raising an eyebrow. >> come back when anything happens, peter b with you as well. thank you for starting us off. joining me here at the capital

is a member of the progressive caucus. the growing progressive caucus as things have progressed. it seems to me that when manchin or cinema says say nothing or do nothing, you get more votes. what is your reaction to the bottom lines that we have now finally heard from joe manchin? can you live with it? >> it's great to be here with you. i'm glad we got bottom lines from one-half, right? we need to get all of the information so we can start the final negotiations. there are hundreds of democrats in the house, 38 in the senate, all rolling together. a couple in the senate, a couple handfuls in the house picking what kind of wood they want their ore to be made of and nancy pelosi is exactly right. i don't think we're going to have the vote together but we're going to get this done weather it is this week, the following week, what is in the bill is what matters.

>> so your leader of the progressive caucus, if she sees what manchin is willing to go for and you all know the biden presidency is on the line here, if this fails he becomes a lame duck going into midterms, almost, it is a really tough vote to fit to lose. so you believe that the caucus, which is now 60 some strong, you're willing to go for a scaled back reconciliation bill and not today, not tomorrow, but sometime in a week or two? >> i believe the president's agenda includes both bills, very clearly. he had a $6 trillion propoal brought down to $3 trillion through compromise. but if you have just the infrastructure bill, $550 billion, that is 9% of what biden wants. so i think we have the

president's back in getting his full agenda done. and i think the real issue is i would not want to go back to arizona or west virginia and explain how you killed affordable childcare for your constituents. i'm very confident that we're going to get it done. >> he seems to be focused not just on the childcarry but on the coal and wanting some kind of sign off on legislation going through his committee. >> i senator sinema may have other bottom lines. we need erin to put the bottom lines down in front of us so we have final negotiations. but these are big ideas that real people in our districts will benefit from.

affordable childcare, the child tax break, lower costs on prescription drugs. insulin, 100 years ago, they sold the patent to three peent for $1 each. we're going to get all of that done in the build back better act and i'm confident that it doesn't matter when it gets done as a matter of fact today or next week or the following week, it matters that we get the agenda done for the american president. >> what do you think about senator sinema. even among her colleges, you know, so a place where -- and it is flipped, it was not substantive, and there is a lot of criticism of a freshman

senator behaving like this on something as important as this. >> yeah, what we need to do is just like senator manchin did is he is telling us what he stands for. that is what the president asked for last week. it took him a week to do that, but we need senator sinema to do the same thing and then we can have the progress that we need to finalize the bill. >> you understand this better, and certainly from within the progressive caucus, you think that nancy pelosi would not call for a vote today. >> he is doesn't put things on the floor to go down, and she really wants to get the bill done. she realizes that finally we have at least one of the two senators, starting to have the talks that we wish they would have. it doesn't make sense to have the vote today. that is a good thing because we finally have progress because of those dates set out there, so i

give credit to the people who thought that we would have a vote on monday or today, that helped the conversation and at the end of the day we're closer to having a bill because of it. >> you go home because there is a brief recess. will she or you lose support as you go home and face angry constituents? >> i would not want to go back to arizona and explain how you're holding up childcare tax cuts. i would not want to do that. but i would not want to be the person saying you don't. >> thank you so much on a gusty day here so pick a number. we're seeing two moderate senators at the party. we have more on the efforts next

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example. the $1, the general dollar store, the dollar general store, they're no longer a dollar store. a lot of people shop there and that's all they have. we have to take a lot of this into consideration. here is the thing, my goodness you have a infrastructure bill, you have this bill that we have right now, the reconciliation bill, i'm willing to sit down and work through that $1.5 to go through our priorities. they can run on the rest of it later. many of them can get to where they want to, just not everything at one time. >> senator, senator, senator -- >> are you saying that is your ceiling? the most that you'll accept? when you signed the document with senator schumer, is that the most that you both will accept? >> at the time that we signed

that agreement, and that was july 28th. i was asked to go to a budget resolution. i didn't think any of this was needed at this time. i thought the infrastructure bill was really what was needed. that was the 1.5. i looked at the tax code in a very competitive way. it is no different than how you run your lives. we look to see what revenues we have, what we can afford, and we buy the things that we need and the things that we can do, and we put our children at the front end. we have the start of life and the end of life. those are priorities right now. maybe the other things they want to do can be done at another time. >> you signed that letter back in july, why haven't you been more clear about your

priorities. >> you saw the bill. >> right, but you have not said any of that in public. >> i was trying to honor my agreement. >> hang on, senator, how is that, there has been a debate, a public debate. everyone has been pretty clear in my caucus what is going on? >> the last week or so. >> the senator knows that. my top line has not been, my top line has been 1.5 because i believe in my heart that what we can afford to do, without changing our whole society to an entitlement mentality. >> progress is say that is not sufficient, what do you say to

people who say you and senator sinema are holding this up. basically take whatever we're not able to come to an agreement with today and take that on the cam bane trail next year and i'm sure they will get many more liberal progressive democrats with what they say they want. >> you communicated this top line number to any progressives in the house now threatening to sink the infrastructure bill today? >> yes, it is a shame for that. you ner let the perfect be the enmy of the good. i have been around for a long time and that should never be the case. so this is what we said. so i said i thought it was shared with other people and maybe it had not been and i just kept my word they wouldn't. . i have done that because it has been out. >> are you going to talk to

them? >> so it sounds like the 1.5 trillion and all of the stipulations that you signed on to at the end of july like that it your final offer and it will not change? >> at that point in time i was not in favor of moving on this type of a piece of legislation. i was not trying to be a fly in the ointment at all. i have never been a liberal in any way, shape, or the form. no one ever thought i was. i have been governor, i have been secretary of state, state legislature. and i voted pretty consistently my whole life. all they need to do, i guess for them to get theirs e is elect more liberals. i'm going to zero to 1.5.

>> anything over 1.5, you're a no? >> senator, on infrastructure -- >> can i ask you about the infrastructure bill? sir, on the infrastructure bill, your is.5 trillion line, are you willing to risk the infrastructure bill? would you hold that -- >> i'm not risking it, i voted for it, if it means no infrastructure bill at all, would you still with 1.5 trillion? >> the bottom line is 1.5 for this reconciliation bill, you have another $250 billion for another bill. we already spent $5.4? >> are you willing to take zero? >> that's up to them, not me. >> are you going to ask -- >> 1.5, 1.6, soon you're talking

about real money. joining me now senator chris murphy of connecticut. what we just shaerd that joemanchin said months ago, in july, gave senator schumer a 1.5 top line. is that gross or net? is that deficit spending or whatever. but you're on the appropriation committee, you're the one that has to come up for this as well. do you think this significantly moves the needle? >> he was ner going to be comfortable with $3.5 trillion. i think it is an important question whether or not we're talking about 1.5 trillion in total spending or whether or not that is deficit spending. what i heard him be concerned about is legislation. it's only a concern if you're spending money you don't have. what we're proposing is to tax

millionaires and billionaires to pay their fair share. so this is a bit of a public negotiation right now and all of us will talk with joe in the next couple hours. but listen, i think that despite the big number that's are thrown around it is still a lot of money in my state and that can still change a lot of people's lives. >> will bernie sanders go for it? >> we have 50 votes to work with in the senate and you have to be able to bring this all together. listen, i'm uncomfortable that we're negotiating other a number. we should be deciding what the american people need. in my state seniors need dental benefits, families need childcare to be more affordable. and day are willing to ask billionaires and corporations to pay a little more. i don't think we should be

negotiating over a number. i think we should decide what the american people need. moch more they can pay to deliver that, and be comfortable with that number. >> what about the debt ceiling. janet yellin saying if it is not raised there could be a financial catastrophe? >> so republicans said that democrats have to pass an increase in the debt ceiling on our own. we said we're willing to bass it 5050. they would not allow us to do that, they filibustered our offer to raise the debt ceiling by ourselves. so this is clearly about a republican attempt to tank the economy and try to hurt joe biden pub luckily. we offered to raise the debt ceiling and they're denying us

that i think it is about just trying to destroy the president. >> what about senator sinema who jokes and gives quips and won't give her bottom line or top line about what she wants. >> it is time for them to start really negotiating. my sense is that senator cinema shares some of joe's concerns wanting the top line to be lower. and my hope is that in the coming days and weeks we can try to come to an agreement around what the american people need to reset the baps of this economy away from the corporate class. those that really need a helping hand and have been getting

screwed been an unfair economy. i have been covering the hill since the late 70s and 80s, i have ner seen a senator in this high takes negotiation refuse to say where he or she stood. >> there is nothing in the discussion that requires you to disclose ahead of time what you're willing to vote for or against. right now we need them, at least, to be negotiating in priesmt with those of us that really believe and are advocating. >> do you know where she stands? >> because dick durbin was clear last night that he doesn't. >> i'm not in leadership, so i'm not sir that i'm the one that

should be negotiating it. maybe they should be getting loser to a real nomination. what about senators cruz and holly holding up nominations for visa's and bringing people back from retirement. >> what people are doing is unprecedented. it never happened before. they're denying democrats the ability to raise the debt ceiling on their own. the state and defense department nominees. so we're jeopardizing our national security because we don't have person representatives around the world. and they are talking about resigning and things they know will not happen.

. they are raising the debt ceiling, they're hurting the economy, and i just never have seen this before. the use of the senate rules in this way, to try to raise your national profile as senator holly and senator cruz are trying to do at the expense of their country's security. >> is it enough to push you to try to do something about the filibuster? >> we have a mand full that don't want to face the fill bus sere nap may be what brings democrats together on a scenario let of issues. it is a bath forward. stay with us, this is andrea

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on top of the global pandemic, cuba is faces some of the harshist policies in years. so far joe biden kept the trump

sanctions, there are protests on the island. cubans have talked about how they plan to get relations back on track so we sat down yesterday for the annual un general assembly sessions to talk about cuba's economy, human rights, protestors still in jail, and much more. >> there are shortages and other problems in cuba, some caused globally by the pandemic, but some of the other economic problems that are facing cuba today. >> they are very difficult today. the covid-19 pandemic, and the enforcement of the u.s. embargo.

>> what do you think caused the protests? >> well they have some different inputs, but they are no doubt facing economic conditions and it is the situation, and the other countries, we have no home there, we have no poverty. we have no protection. they were implemented more than 200 original sanctions, of 60 of them at pan democratic times. >> there are still people arrested and in jail, will they be released? >> well, it is a rule of law and

we have to respect our civilians. there is accomplishments, even gains from police officers. so even innocent bystanders. we have to immaterial plemt those rules. >> most of the protests were peaceful, so what does the government fear from the protestors to keep some people in jail? >> if you see digital networks and some international media, some american media, you could see a lot of misinformation, or even manipulation. many fake news became vital, but

i could say that the protests were not specific up withes. >> let me asked you about the embargo. if you're surprised that the biden administration continued the trump had min straights effects. >> he is on policy toward cuba. it could be formally different from the previous one. but it is a terrible mistake to continue to implement this kind of cruel sanctions.

even at times like president trump implemented, mostly from 2019. >> have you sought or had any meetings with u.s. officials while you were here for the united nations meetings? >> not this time, but it was normal, and it should be normal. we are open to discuss any bilateral issue. and we're ready for establishing responsible dialogue with the u.s. administration. >> you developed your own covid vaccine. why is that? >> it wasn't a decision, but we anticipated firstly that we would have the highest level of

scientific personnel, a state of our technologies in the field of vaccine, and in eight months, in record time, a limited financial resources, our best scientific development for five vaccine candidates, three of them became certified vaccines and they were implemented in immunization campaigns. our goal is to finish it. >> firstly, it is the highest reason for vaccine vaccination.

and the total of inhabitants, not the target population, but the whole population receive it at least one shot, one dose. and more than half of the population are fully vaccinated. for instance, we have had only one-third of the deaths compared with the u.s. there is millions of inhabitants. >> you have been very patient, but we don't often have an opportunity to see you and ask you very many questions. >> thank you, i appreciate. thank you very much. >> and hanging in the past, joe biden is holding out hope for

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kids five to 11 can't yet get the covid vaccine. we anticipate that age group will be eligible by halloween, but in the meantime we have other important toles and things that we know work that includes masking and testing. there is a strategy that some cool districts are talking about in england with great success where if a kid has been exploded in the classroom, as long as they test negative they don't have to be quarantined. they can continue to go to school so this is something that could be scaled up across the country. another major gab for which there is some funding, but not nearly enough, is with respect to school building, heating, ventilation and air-conditioning systems. the american society for civil engineers that studies the nation's infrastructure found

that and that over 40% need to be upgrazed or replaced. so these kind of infrastructure adjust wants could be paid for by the government. >> there is also alarming new data on the o-called long haulers, they still had at least one stop, what more do we know about this? >> this is common with viral infections. i think a lot of people don't realize how common it is. we have seen symptoms under survivors. women and younger people appear to be at higher risk, and the risk are about twice as high as what you might see for familiar systems after the flu. we see familiar things after

peep have influenza. we have just not had the massive sushlg the way we have with covid. and the rates are higher with covid. this is still something we're learning about but the number one take home mszage is your best way to prevent long covid is to prevent getting covid in the first place and getting vaccinated is the best way to do that. >> indeed getting vaccinated has to be the continuous mess able even as delta beginning to wane and rates of infection are finally starting to subside, we hope. thank you for being with us. >> back here, you're seeing something about what is right close to us for an immigration bill. . getting to the most urgent thing on capitol hill right now is of

course the reconciliation and debt ceiling bills and a very unusual house oversight hearing committee today. they were opening up to the world about their own personal experiences with abortion. ali vitali is on the hill, this was extraordinary. >> yeah, this is the kind of thing that happens, and i talked about this with the three democratic congresswomen before they testified. this is the kind of thing you start to hear when more women are issued into places of power and policy making. in my conversation they shared with me their stories of the sdoigs have an abortion and in the hearing today they did it the same, putting it officially into the congress that record. they say sdpiend the stories being harder to tell, they want it to be part of the policy

discussion. they are representing the other side of the issue and i want to play for you some of the testimonies. >> today i sit before you as that nurse and that pastor, that pastor, thatactivist, in the summer of 1994, i was raped, i became pregnant, and i decided to have an abortion. >> as the daughter of a single mother from homeless to the house of representatives. that is only possible in america and that is only possible in an america that values life. >> there are so many different situations that people face in making these choices whether or not the choice to have an abortion is easy or hard, whether or not there are traumatic situations or not, none of that should be the issue. it is simply nobody's business

what choices we as pregnant people make about our own bodies. >> you heard those powerful testimonies, i had a conversation with those three democratic lawmakers birdie they testified and i want to bring you inside of that room. these because these stories wer shared with a lot of apprehension from all of the congresswomen. i was struck congresswoman barbara lee really hammered home at the end of her commentary with me, they hugged. all of these women internalized all of each other's stories. there was a solidarity in the room when they were sharing, and it was clear despite the apprehension they want he to put them out there in hopes of changing the larger policy debate. >> such an important story and so emotional up there on capitol hill today. thank you very much. on the other side of the capitol, here outside nancy pelosi certainly has her work cut out for her today telling

her members the giant reconciliation bill she is fighting for will be the culmination of her time in congress. high stakes indeed. though she is not saying so certainly a hint this could be her final term. joining us now is former congressmen joe cowley from new york. joe crowley, talk to me about what nancy pelosi is doing, this high wire act. is she going to come out on the other side? >> people are looking for pixie dust or special sauce. it doesn't exist. what she has is decades of experience. she knows her members. she knows their districts. she knows the politics of those districts. she has seen those changes that have taken place. that is all in that mind of hers and she is going to use the next hours to try to, you know, pull this all together. i think the news from the senate in terms of today, manchin, a starting point $1.5 trillion. no matter what this is

transformative and pelosi knows it. i think that is what she was speaking to when she was kind of alluding to, you know, i think people are making more of that than they should maybe. in my 20 years i never saw 1.5, 2 trillion, $3.5 trillion package before us. this is twice the size of the affordable care act. it is monumental and transformative. forget the process maybe. it's about the product. at the end of the day there will be a great product out of washington d.c. >> sam stein, how did they get themselves sort of wrapped around an axel here talking about trillions ofd and what's paid for, what's not paid for, but have not until the last couple days been talking about what is in these bills in. >> right. maybe they need some of the pixie dust that congressman crowley was talking about to get out of the axel. part of this is just a matter of sequencing. in order to move the bipartisan infrastructure bill, house

leadership had to make promises to the moderates that they would have a vote on it at a certain date, a date certain. and that is today. what we've ended up having happen is this sort of random dealine that isn't necessarily binding that has caused all this panic on the democratic side about whether they will forfeit leverage over the senate moderates if they vote on this thing or not. and it's really precluded a larger discussion about the actual policy specifics here which is what you're alluding to, andrea. if you look at what is actually in the bill any one of these components would have been a legislative dream for democrats. paid parental leave has been a white whale for the democratic party for decades. now we are in a place where progressives specifically but also moderates say we want the whole package. $3.5 trillion. we don't want to sacrifice individual components. all of them are critical. the real question is as they go to the next stage of negotiations getting from 3.5 to

somewhere in manchin's range is what of the policy priorities are they willing to sacrifice and how? is it means testing? is it limiting the amount spent? is it lessening the budget window? those are huge discussions to have on any one component. but we're going to have them on four or five or six or even eight components. >> a key factor is shortening the duration of the bill making it a five-year bill not a ten-year so therefore you cut in half the amount of money. joe crowley, have we seen president biden as a real facilitator, mediator, you know, getting it done? or has he been laying back and letting nancy pelosi corral these folks? >> i think there is a lot behind the scenes going on. we saw it last night at the baseball game. a lot of discussions going on. i think there is back and forth. maybe not as public as we would like to see. but i think that the president has a role to play and will play

it at the right time. i think nancy pelosi also was talking about that. this is crunch time, where all the action is right now. she said it earlier today and i think it's true. the american people watching, again, process is something. product is what matters. >> she said, this is fun. >> she likes it. >> nancy pelosi's idea of fun. i join the caucus of those saying never bet against nancy pelosi. i've just watched her too long >> i am one of those as well. i've worked with her behind the scenes, been there when she is mulling these things through. that is why i speak from experience. it's her experience that matters here. you know, steny hoyer has it as well. others in the caucus. but nancy seems to have it in droves. she is amazing. >> you mentioned steny hoyer. just about 40 minutes ago someone asked him whether they had the votes and he said no. >> i think maybe right now they don't. you know? jim clyburn. they're all working behind the scenes to ensure the votes are

there. hakeem jeffries, the leadership team is out there working doing wh they need to do to get this bill over the line whether today, tomorrow, or next week. it will get done at some point. definitely will get done. >> joe crowley watching the sausage being made is not great but at least nancy pelosi's idea of fun. sam stein, this is my idea of fun being out here on capitol hill actually with members and former members and senators and back where my roots were covering congress. i love it. thanks to all of you. thanks to everyone who helped put this together. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow us online, on facebook, and on twitter @mitchellreports. chuck todd is up next with "mtp daily" right here on msnbc. ♪ ♪

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welcome to meet the press daily. i'm chuck todd. it is a pretty active day already on capitol hill. it could be an active afternoon, evening, perhaps into the wee hours of the night. senator joe manchin just spoke to reporters for the second time today to publicly indicate for the first time what size reconciliation package he