>> pat robertson leaves behind the impire he built on comments like that retiring at the age of 91. that is our broadcast on this friday night and for this week with our thanks for being here with us. thanks for joining us this hour, richest got the night, off happy friday all of you and happy october. especially to everyone in the united house of representatives, because for them, friday, has actually just started. for most of us today, we were all of us living in friday, october the 1st. however, in the united states house of representatives, it was still thursday, it was september. you will recall that we spend all of yesterday waiting for a vote in the house on the bipartisan infrastructure bill. the roads and bridges bill. that vote never came. yesterday felt endless.

but in the weird, arcane time space continuum that governs the u.s. house, it turns out that yesterday really was endless as in, it did not end until tonight. let me explain this to you. when lawmakers left capitol hill last night to get a few hours of sleep because their work was not getting done, before coming back this morning to keep working toward a deal, they did not adjourn the house like they do at the end of the workday. instead, they went into a recess which kept the house in the thursday september 30th legislative day even though as the earth outside its windows continue to turn on its axis into our friday october 1st, in a parallel universe, if you will. you knew nancy pelosi had many powers, but you didn't think that she could actually control time. but as extraordinarily long as that thursday was, and as it comes to an end, and as capitol

hill joins the rest of us, here in the month of october, we know one thing, the vote on that roads and bridges bill that speaker pelosi was holding the floor open for tonight and through most of today, that vote is not happening. certainly not tonight. and not this weekend either. remember what this bill is. it is the small piece of president biden's legislative agenda, the roads and bridges bill, the stuff used to call infrastructure. the vast majority of democrats on capitol hill want to pass all of biden's agenda. which means also passing the much larger build back better legislation that contains the democrats initiative on health care, education, and climate. because democrats majorities in the house and in the senate are so slim, if democrats want to do anything, they've all got to be in it together. but a handful of democrats want the house to pass the smell earn for structure package right now and leave the rest for later.

the overwhelming majority of democrats want to pass it all together because leaving the rest for later may mean leaving it for never, you know how that goes. and the democrats who want to wait until it all gets passed together, led by the congressional progressive caucus, they're holding the line. they are saying that if the smaller bill is brought up for a vote, they will vote it down. and so, speaker pelosi has not brought that bill up for a vote yet because, if there is one thing that we know about speaker pelosi, she is a vote counter. she does not bring bills to the floor if they are not going to pass. so this is all very frustrating for everyone, especially all the people, not politicians, all the people in this country who are not following the ins and outs of the legislative drama in washington. all the people who definitely cannot just stop time whenever they want and drag out september for an extra day. americans who just want to see progress in all of the incredibly popular things that

are in this agenda. >> for american voters and democratic voters want to see this become a reality, this is a very scary time as. well everyone is aware that the democrats entire agenda hangs in the ballots here, which has massive implications for the future of the country. again, because of the though democratic majorities in congress are so slim, all it takes us for a couple of democrats in the house, or literally one united states senator, to walk away, and it's over. but in terms of just trying to get a basic handle on where things stand right now, good or bad, progress or stalemate, hope or imminent doom, there seems to be quite a distance right now between how things look to people on the outside and how they look to people in the inside. after this vote did not happen last night, there were all these headlines about the presidents agenda being in peril. about an impasse or defeat for democrats. the new york times wrote, last night's lack of a vote was a,

quote, significant setback for the agenda, that democrats are in a feud. and that there is a liberal revolt. and yet, what we are actually hearing from actual democratic lawmakers and from the president himself is that things are actually going pretty well. that they are in a better position today than they were yesterday. you can chalk that up to spin, if you want. but there aren't even anonymous quotes from democratic lawmakers are insiders warning that this whole thing is about to fall apart. it's not like democrats are putting on a brave face and public, but in private are despairing. we have sources in there. if they were, we would. no we can tell, lots of democrats have not been this optimistic about getting to a deal in the team -- on the presidents agenda in a long time. take this from punchbowl news, it's an ultimate capitol hill insider, quote, thursdays offense forced all parties to the table. and there's something to do, that everybody's cards are faced up now and that's a step towards ultimately advancing

biden's agenda. president biden went to capitol hill to meet with the house democrats, there were apparently on the phone with senator kyrsten sinema, one of the two democrats on the holdout deal. president biden's meeting on the hill was in, long about 30 minutes. and as he and the lawmakers left the meeting, will let you be the judge of whether these are people who are staring into an abyss or people who are optimistic that they are going to pass the presidents agenda. >> i'm telling you, we are going to get this done. it doesn't matter when. it doesn't matter whether it's in six minutes, six days, or six weeks. we will get it done. >> he is the president and he is wonderful and he was really clear that we need to get both bills done. that is what we are going to do. we will get them both done. it will be tough, we will have to come down in our number and

we will have to do that work. so we will get to work and see what we can get. two >> he basically said two things, one, it is not going to be 3.5, maybe two instead of 3.5. so he said. that and the other thing he basically said when -- we need to pass. both >> i think the good news that we can take out of the meeting tonight is that the american people are going to be well taken care of. the president has not wavered from his agenda. i think most of the members of this caucus, who know we have to govern, are happy. because they see the light at the end of the tunnel. and we see the ability for the democrats to get this done. >> hearing from him, directly, was really good for the entire caucus and i think that right now we can go into some work and see what we can come up with. because the house needs to get this done. >> he pointed out that there are two members of the senate who have not yet subscribe to the full package and, simultaneously, he talked about the value of the package. and how we cannot miss this

opportunity. i think he reassured everybody. after, say it felt really good. >> i've been around a long time, i think that was pretty good, that was a congressman richard neil. plus, the president himself, in across section there in the democratic caucus, all basically singing from the same hymnal. feeling good, moving forward, but the large build back better legislation and the smaller roads and bridges bill will pass. not clear when them and the larger bill may have to get smaller. nbc news is reporting that president biden told democratic lawmakers that negotiations on the budget reconciliation bill are now in the 1.9 to 2.3 trillion dollar range, down from their desired 3.5 trillion dollar figure. that is according to multiple sources in the room. and look, that's a long way from an actual deal. this is obviously not guaranteed, things could fall apart at any moment, it means a big fight over whether and how much in what ways the build

back better plan will be shrunk. and will never not be frustrating to the vast majority of democrats who are being asked to scale back the plan largely because of these two. >> two senators whose demands are shifting, and often nonsensical. but you heard congresswoman sheila johnson lee talking about lawmakers, quote, who know we have to govern, and. quote being happy about where things are at. this is what you have to do when you are a party that is actually trying to engage in substantive, serious governing. we've kind of forgotten that over the last few years. we lost that muscle memory of what it looks and feels like when lawmakers actually govern. don't forget with the republicans on capitol hill are doing right now. over in the, senate democrats are trying to pass a simple bill that will do nothing other than prevent the united states from defaulting on its debt. which would cause economic calamity. republicans in the senate are

actively blocking democrats from doing that. laughing about the democrats trying to protect the full faith and credit of the united states. republican senator rick scott, of south carolina, said -- sorry of florida, said, this is going to be a ball. i'm going to have so much fun. republican senator kevin kramer said, quote, it's so much fun to watch their chaos. one of the two parties has just been totally checked out from actual governing for a long time now. we may not remember what it is like when politicians argue and negotiate and huggable in the attempt to actually hash out legislation through compromise rather than just exert dominance and create chaos. but we are watching an attempt of real governance in realtime, and as joe biden likes to say, part of the democrat's job right now is to show that democratic governance still works. joining us now is nbc news capitol hill correspondent with whom i share a first name.

ali, my, friend thank you for joining. us it is not real quiet behind you. what is happening right now? >> apparently, we all hate friday at the same time. lawmakers, as soon as they voted, they got out of town because the house at least is going to be gone for the next, roughly, two weeks. we already know -- they are in a position where they're gonna be given 72 hours notice before they have to come back for votes. that sort of leaves us an open-ended question of what the timing is on. this i think that's something i heard from a lawmaker after the biden meeting drink rings true for the vibe of the entire caucus right. now this lawmaker said that biden tells her, keep hope alive. and certainly, as i was talking to members of both moderate caucuses and progressive caucuses, it's clear that there is an optimism here, a re-energy -- reenergizing from hearing from the president himself. that's not to say that there aren't moderates who are upset. congresswoman stephanie murphy continuing to reiterate that in her view these bills are dealings and she's only gonna consider each on their own

merits. at the same time though, whatever from progressives is that they feel bolstered by the fact that they have been clear in their demands from the beginning, that they want to have reconciliation in tandem with the bipartisan infrastructure bill, and as they huddled tonight, and i caught up with them after, what they are doing now is figuring out the policy piece of this. not the price tag, and that's the focus for. that it's shifting this conversation away from whether it's two trillion, or 3.5 trillion, which it's not going to be 3.5 trillion, that much is definitely assured at this. point but for them, it's a conversation about what they need to be in there. that is how they will get to the price tag. that's not just a political gamble for them trying to get all the policy things in there that they need, it's also a way for them to continue to remind people of what is actually in this bill. as i've been talking to sources throughout this entire negotiating, period one of the frustrations that i've heard from democrats is that the conversation has gotten away from the policy, and when you look at a lot of this policy, it is very popular.

it makes sense why they want people to be hearing that it's about a child tax credit, that it's about free community college, that it's about childcare and helping women get back into the workforce. those are the things that are gonna hear progressives talking about as they move forward on this. it's not going to be about the match -- manchin cinema debate of the price tag, that is going to be very important. for progressives, this is more about the larger policy debate, something you and i have been covering over the 2020 presidential election. >> it's a bigger winning argument to talk about the things that it will do for people than the price tag. we need to hear from -- it will take us as long as it, takes jayapal said. that it seems to be a walk back from the hard line -- that everybody was. taking progressives are saying we are not voting on the other bill until you vote on this bill, and moderates were saying, we need to get this other infrastructure bill, the smaller done, first.

everyone seems to have we to have a different idea of what comes. first if you look at the last few, days the temperance has been the motivating factor to exit the stalemate. moderate still wants what they, want progressive still want what they want, and biden still wants the agenda pass. what has changed is the strict adherence to the day that the vote happens to happen. and, frankly what order. monday was the initial day that we were supposed to see a vote on this, it's up to thursday, a lawmaker even told me yesterday, i could see a world in which this could slip into next. week and the president said if it takes six weeks, it takes six weeks. i was the one who asked congresswoman pramila jayapal which he thought but the plan was over the course of the next few. days there is a, thinking and this is how things always go, here they will continue to talk over the weekend, even as people go. home the work doesn't stop,

even though many physically won't be. here but the time crunch that we are feeling, or that we are feeling over the course of this, week seems to have dissipated because biden went into the room and effectively -- i wrote the bill, those are the words that a lawmaker told me he used, reminded me that they have democratic house majority in the senate, and this is the presidents democratic agenda here. >> it's always good to see you my friend. i want to bring in california congresswomen and deputy chair of the progressive caucus katie porter, it's also good -- always good to see. you thanks for being with us this. evening i'm so taken by what oliver tally was saying, that i've been thinking about for a long-time, that is being caught up on the 3.5 trillion, versus 2.5, chilean versus 1.9, trillion when this is a bill full of interesting and remarkably popular things for the american public. we're talking more about the build in the money in the bill. i think that's exactly what we have been trying to do, that is

certainly someone who represents a very competitive seat, about equal numbers of democrats and republicans. they are interested in what this bill is going to do, to improve their lives, and to strengthen the economy. that's what we really been talking about. childcare, that's our priority, free community college that's our priority, and the are i mean here is democrats and the president, and the more we tell people what's in this bill, the more feedback we get from them about what's important to them, the better job we can do crafting legislation that really will deliver on the presidents agenda. >> are the real negotiations when kristen sinema said the bill to, high can have this much money, when joe manchin starts talking about inflation, anyone pay that much money. are the real negotiations where someone says to joe manchin, well what do you not like in here. what's very popular part of this do you not. like or is it progressives telling nancy pelosi in the white house, we need this bill passed versus moderates telling the white house and nancy pelosi we need this past, are

we actually whittling this thing down into something that everybody will support? >> progress is definitely being made. i think you heard that in the presidents tone today, when he talked about hope. he talked about were going to get it done. i think everybody, regarding of their particular view, left the room feeling like this was going to be a positive forward going negotiation. i think will really starting to make progress, as you, said is moving away from vague general objections. two very specifics, to talking about exactly what this program will do, how fast it will help people, how we can help make sure the program is effective, and makes the best use of tax dollars that it can. this is what it looks like when congress does its job. i think as you mentioned, it's been a while since we've seen congress really take the time, and debate, and go back and, fourth and have the speakers do negotiations, and their multi party negotiations to your, point it's not that we're all 500 of us are not in the room together. we're having multiple conversations, with everybody

is very fortunate to be guided by president biden here. who set out a clear agenda, that has the support of the vast majority of americans, regardless of political party. >> are there redlines and. here places where you and your progressive colleagues, will not go. are there places that your moderate colleagues will not go? have, we sunlight came out of that meeting in washington at the capitol, is that we're going to work to get something. it may take a few more days. but we're going to work to come to a deal. >> i think we absolutely have to see what the details are. we're not playing the prices. right we're not discussing a number. we're asking ourselves, how much would it cost to solve this problem, to improve the situation, we talk about the cost of community college. when we talk about elder care, we talk about health care. housing, how much does it take to improve this problem, and how can we designed the very best program, that stretches those tax dollars to do the very most that it can. and how can we pay for this bill. and that part of it is

incredibly important as, well and i think there is real progress from senator sinema and manchin, on that front. and so it's putting together both what we're going to do and how are going to pay for. >> whole other conversations that you and i can sit and have one of these. days this whole, every five year preoccupation we have with the national, day and how to deal with that. great to have you here tonight. california congresswoman and deputy chair of the progressive caucus, katie porter. coming up next amid all the terrible headlines about the coronavirus pandemic, there is at least one piece of very promising news today, something that very smart people are calling a possible game-changer. that's up next. le game-changer that's up next that's up next (man 2) yeah, but we need to go higher. (man 1) higher. (man 2) definitely higher. (man 1) we're like yodeling high. [yodeling] yo-de-le-he... (man 2) hey, no. uh-uh, don't do that. (man 1) we should go even higher! (man 2) yeah, let's do it. (both) woah! (man 2) i'm good. (man 1) me, too. (man 2) mm-hm. (vo) adventure has a new look. (man 1) let's go lower. (man 2) lower, that sounds good. (vo) discover more in the all-new subaru outback wilderness.

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awful threshold in our fight with the coronavirus today. according to nbc data, more than 700,000 americans have now died from the virus, and we have crossed that threshold, ten months after an effective vaccine whispers made available, the problem, is we have a huge amount of vaccine's hesitancy in this country, and that resistance, that hesitancy is not a personal choice, as you may have seen repeated over

over on your facebook feed. it's a public health decision, your choice affects the health and welfare of the public around. you can help or hurt your community. your choice can be a life or death decision for someone else. look at this, this is from this little times quote. i have no beds. hospitalization spike in rural washington, amid fifth covid-19 wave. with an influx of covid patients, you each require a lot of hospital resources, central washington hospital now has a backlog of heart surgeries to grapple with, the director of intensive care at the hospital described this way quote, we have a backup of 30 cases that need to be done, so they wanted to do on tuesday, wednesday, thursday this week, i have no beds. i have one clean bed in the icu, intensive care director also spoke witnessing vaccine hesitancy in her own hospital, quote, it's astounding to me. the number of people we have intubated, that way up until

the time we put those in, they are fighting with you to say this is not real. or, can i have the shot now. this is happening in washington state right, now where patients warming those hospitals, at both state residents, and, idaho residents. who cannot receive care in their own state, prompting washington's governor to call an idaho politicians to do more to curb the virus in their state. alaska has enabled crisis standards of care for its state, last month for any hospital that needs, this week another hospital in that state decided they needed to ration care, cases are still in an upward trajectory there, that's where we are right now. and october 1st, 2021. there might be some hope in the near future. the pfizer vaccine improved for kids aged 5 to 11 is on their rise. and possibly as soon as november. the fda just scheduled a meeting of its advisory panel to discuss the vaccine for young kids. for october 26.

that's in the works right now. and we know more parents are hoping to vaccinating their kids than they were a couple of months, ago today somewhere hopefully potentially news, the pharmaceutical company merck just realized, just released the results of a clinical trial, of a pill that it's developing for people who are already sick with mild or moderate cases of covid, they say it works, according to, merck their experimental covid pill, reduce the risk of hospitalization or death, in covid patients by around 50%. and unlike other treatments already in, used it's easier to administer. you don't need an iv, you can take it home. it can potentially help keep people with covid, out of the hospital. merck plans to apply for fda emergency reserve prove allison is it, can this could be a very big deal. joining us now is doctor scott gottlieb, former fda commissioner who sits on pfizer's board of directors, he's the author of the book uncontrolled spread, why covid-19 crushed us, and how we can defeat the next pandemic.

doctor good to see you. on one level, i never as a business journalist, i'm comfortable with getting announcements for a publicly traded companies. i would wish that they would go through the process and we would learned through journals in organizations. but, bottom line is. merck says this pill could work. and that's a big deal. if it's true. >> the results are coming out this way because we're trying to move very quickly in the setting of the crisis, normally these results would not be published in a journalist respects. this is probably one of the most profound treatment effects i've seen from an orderly available pill in the treatment of a respiratory pathogen. perhaps ever. this could be a real game-changer. and the detail from this clinical trial is the patience in this trial, for whom you've sought that treatment affects, 50% reduction of hospitalization or death, these are patients with the risk factors for covid. risk factors that could -- including advanced age obesity, so to see that kind of a treatment effect in an ad first

population is quite profound. the bottom line is we will get a drug to treat this disease, in an orderly available. drug this is not a virus that should be hard for us to target, with an orderly available, medicine there's other drugs in development, getting one by the company on the board of pfizer. one by roads that are both in advance development. one or more of these drugs is likely to, work and if one of these drugs does work, there's many more behind, it so we will have a pill for this disease, again, this is not a substitute for vaccination. this is a pill that can be used for people who are vaccinated in a breakthrough infections. in or still at risk of having a bad outcome. >> but you've made the point earlier today that it could have a psychological effect, the idea that there's a drug to treat, it tell me what you mean by that. >> right i think that the two things that still cause people a lot of concern, even people who have been vaccinated, is children are not, vaccinated so a lot of adults who have been vaccinated are worried about going back into the, office going back into the normal activities, for fear that the develop a mild or asymptomatic

infection and bring that infection back into the home where, they have vulnerable, children earlier vulnerable children in the household. getting the vaccine for children's going to be very important first restoring consumer, confidence and i think the idea of having a pill that you can take, at the first symptoms of covid, to prevent progression to more symptomatic and severe disease, is going to give people a lot more confidence to go out, about even if they are vaccinated, and it's gonna be people who are vaccinated for those individuals, this pill could be effective as well. we're not gonna be able to vaccinate the entire public, we need to do better and getting more people vaccinated, by the end of the day, if we get to 85% of the adult population over the age of 18 vaccinated, i think that's going to be a very good result. we're at 78% right. now so we're doing quite well. we still have a ways to go. but what you such as worried me for a second, people who are not prepared to get vaccinated at this point, it's ridiculous, if we have the evidence we need, it's not reasonable to accommodate people who no longer want to be vaccinated, is this going to encourage them not to get vaccinated, because there might be appealed to

solve covid? >> i certainly hope, not i suspect on the margins it will, the idea that there's a drug available for people that will. we need to contain and push all the things we're doing to get more people vaccinated, the bottom line is if you look at pediatric vaccinations, where we have mandates in place, vaccines are requirements go to school. the measles mumps and rubella vaccine, looking back over the last ten years, you get about 90% of kids vaccinated in the best years will get about 94% vaccinated, so with an adult vaccine, where there's some discussion whether or not people take it, i don't know that will be able to achieve levels much above 85 86%. i think as we get there it's quite a good result, remember, if we were dealing with the wuhan variant, or even if we had 78% of the adult population vaccinated, that would be a pretty profound wall of immunity, and the reason why we need to get more in the public vaccinated, is because we're dealing with a much more contagious variants in this delta variant. >> that's fine. i'll see you again. it's a former fda commissioner,

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texas abortion bans took effect essentially overturning roe v. wade in the state. one month since the supreme court declined to intervene to stop the law from taking event. the law bans abortions for -- six weeks of pregnancy because of the way pregnancy works, however, no surprise to the women in the audience, six weeks as well before many women know that they are pregnant. this ridiculous texas law empowers everyday citizens to sue anyone who assists a woman and getting an abortion after six weeks. the incentive is a 10,000

dollar reward. the justice department sued texas last month to stop the enforcement of the law, and in their emergency motion to block the law shared personal stories of how the law has had an impact on women in texas. the justice department writes, quote, one miner, who was right by a family member, traveled from -- traveled eight hours from galveston, to oklahoma to get an abortion. another patient facing violence at the hands of her husband's discreetly attempting to leave texas without her husband finding out and is desperate and selling personal items to script together the funds needed for an out of state abortion. today, a federal judge in texas held a three-hour hearing to hear arguments on the government's motion to stop the law. justice department lawyers laid out the cruelty of the law saying, quote, a state may not ban abortions at six weeks. texas knew this, but it wanted a six-week ban anyway, so the state resorted to an unprecedented scheme of vigilante justice that was designed to scare a portion

providers and others who might help women exercise their constitutional rights. the judge questioned of the use of civilians to enforce. it quote, if the state is so confident in the constitutionality of the limitations of a woman's access to abortion, then why could it go to such great lines to create this unusual private enforcement mechanism rather than just simply do it redirect? we we don't know when or how the judge will rule and whether or not he will grant the government's emergency request to block the law, but we do know that this draconian law is having a measurable impact on the women of texas. here to talk with us is someone on the ground who has seen the effects's firsthand, joining us now is martha sun word she's the director of the clinical services for women's health in texas, which operates for abortion -- clinics in the states. thank you for being with us. as we saw from the examples of

the department of justice, this is having a disproportionate effect on women who lack means or who are in some sort of compromise position. if you are wealthy and free to travel, you can just go to another state. but for a lot of women, that is not the reality. we just heard two examples of how bad and dangerous this law is. >> absolutely, and that is something -- these are only two examples of. many they're woman coming in every day, hoping for some type of resolve, or some type of resource to access the health care at resources that they. need and unfortunately we have to turn them away and tell them that those resources are not. there >> tell me in terms of numbers and percentages, but that looks. like how many fewer abortions are you able to perform as opposed to before? >> we do know that the vast majority of women were walking into our door are being turned. away 70% of those patients that we have seen are not able to

continue with the abortion procedures. >> but you tell those women? >> you know, unfortunately, we have to tell them the truth. the truth is that in the state that they live in and that the work in, and that they raise their children and pay taxes and has turned their back on them. it's forcing them to leave the state to access the health care that they need. >> i just want to listen to representative barbara lee, she's actually texas born, as, we know she was testifying at the house of oversight committee on the -- added an abortion hearing yesterday. let's just listen to what she said, and i'd like to talk to you about on the. the >> side as a black woman, a woman in born in texas, these laws are deadly. and the real risks of the -- before roe v. wade. to the days when i was a teenager and had a back alley abortion in mexico. remember, i just turn 16. i was one of the lucky ones around. here a lot of girls and women in my generation didn't make it. they died from unsafe

abortions. >> some of us learned only recently about the story of representative barbara lee who went to mexico to get a back alley abortion at the age of 16. the point that she makes is not one that is entirely familiar to a lot of americans who are prosperous. including a lot of american women who are under a certain age that people died getting abortions back in the day. >> absolutely. history has proven itself over and over again that just because you make abortion legal, keep -- it legal, it doesn't stop it from happening. a woman who is pregnant and who does not want to be pregnant will do her best to figure it out and history is shown is that it can be dangerous and deadly. >> where do you see happening? what is the best outcome? this weekend, there will be marches all across this country by women who understand that texas is the tip of the spear on this. one it is the beginning, we

have a number of states whose attorney generals and governors have said, we are looking very carefully at this law to see if we can emulate it in our own states. the think that people didn't think could go away, roe v. wade, the protections of a woman to have an abortion, even though it's not an abortion law, this came apart very quickly. >> absolutely. i think it goes without saying that roe v. wade has been chipped away, especially by the gop in the state of state -- of texas. every two, years there's a regulation or a law that tries to win chip away the law. until this time they have successfully acted for what appears to be an almost complete ban on abortion in the entire state. >> thank you very much for the work you. do barbara settler is the director of the all-women's health center in texas. we appreciate your time. here coming, up a story that will make you rethink the way that you look at the post office. at the pos office

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of our country's last pandemic, the u.s. postal service to this plane, in queens down to d.c., it was the first flight of the first regularly scheduled air mail route ever. this is dangerous and risking totally new. the pilots in that era flew planes like that with open talk picks through unpredictable rather. in the first decade of airmail service, 34 of the 200 or so postal service pilots lost their lives and crashes while delivering the mail. but, still at the post office attracted some of the best pilots in the, world among this -- he held the world record for the fastest trip around the globe. and he knew it was dangerous, expensive, and, risky the u.s. postal service stuck to. but the reinjure neared the planes and the roots, tinkering with every piece of the process. because the u.s. postal service

had a vision that airmail was the future and they wanted to make that future a reality. the innovative spirit of the post office leadership is nowhere to be found today. as the post office and that exchange is making its services slower and more expensive. as of today, the postal service has cut its airmail service in half. yesterday, if you mailed something first class within the united states postal service from chicago, it will take two days of the cotton destination is close, three if the destination is anywhere else in the continental u.s.. sometimes it would be faster than that. today, if you send that same piece of mail, first-class, it would take three days, even if it were just a few states away, and it could take up to five days to reach the coast. at the, time services from the post office were -- at the same, time services at the post office are getting more expensive. they're likely to keep going, up about twice a, year even as the service gets worse. what is going on? why is the once innovative and reliable post office going in

the wrong direction? it's part of a ten-year plan from the postmaster general and trump administration holdover, louis dejoy. you might remember, you might remember him for his role of removing 10% of mail sorting machines just before the presidential elective -- election last, year despite the massive mail-in ballots. because people didn't want to leave, they wanted to vote by mail, because there is a global pandemic. or maybe remember him from the still ongoing fbi investigation into campaign fund raising activities involving his former business where he allegedly pressure his employees into a strong donor scheme where they would donate to political campaigns, republican, ones that he, supported and that he would reimburse them through bonuses. which is illegal. that guy, this, guy louis dejoy, somehow still in charge of the united states postal services. are we still stuck with him and how do we get the post office that we love back? joining us now, put him a call,

oh we coalition of more than 300 organizations like the aclu, the american pork postal workers union that formed, in response to luis dejoy's work at the post office, but the goal of saving. it thank you for joining us tonight, there are those like me who love the post office. we love the postal workers. we think that they are dedicated, hardworking americans. but they have a troublesome boss who is wrecking the system. >> yes, you know you wouldn't be alone about 90% of americans have a favorable view of the post office. that is the highest rating of any government agency. i am also myself in that camp. what's happening now boggles the. mind it's a false theory of how you bring the post office back and we are going to do all that we can to put the post office back on track. >> what does that look, like

that we're gonna try to get back contract? it looks like the problem is one main guy but is it that simplistic, is it over, simplified are there bigger problems that could be there even if there is the joy wasn't? >> i would say there is a history of -- there have been -- congress hasn't held the situation over the years. but was, it but 2006 law that made it difficult for the postal service to innovate and frame their -- bring brand of you services online. anytime they have tried to innovate over the course of their history, if it comes into conflict with a private industry, congress would, say no you cannot do. that for your product. line that said, the stepping into this history is louis dejoy, and it is not just him, i'm afraid. you will probably have seen last year in the midst of the

extreme mail slowdowns right when he started, that the board who hired him, a highly irregular process, said that they were not [inaudible] it's a hyperbole from a group of albright gentlemen who were very happy with his performance. so one of the key solutions to shaking up the current mess is to create point a couple of new members to the board of governors. that is absolutely within president biden's power to. do ithi>> what is stopping that frm happening? do you think if you -- do know if this is high up in his agenda? if you had a chance to get the presidents ear and say, can we get this done, would you? >> i think that there are a lot of fires to put. out if you would ask me, sell -- several months ago, why is this not happened yet? i would've said, well, the first three rounds of nominees

has come through and there are imposed and they have been confirmed. now, it is getting a little late. honestly, i cannot think of a bigger fire to put out. getting the postal service back on track. so many of us are asking the question, if not, now then? when >> we are at the same time thinking the postal workers of america for all the great work that they put in, day, in and day, out despite leadership lacking at the top of their organization. porter mcconnell it is the co-founder of the save the post office foundation. thank you so much for all the work that you are doing. up next, a major update for an alarming story that we brought for you earlier this, week stay with us. with us.

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story that rachel told you about two years ago. it's about this guy who legibly vandalized the headquarters of the democratic party in travis county, texas. authorities said that they arrested this man, this is fair claw. an investigator with the austin fire department said that they're able to catch him so quickly partly because of the excellent security footage at the crime scene. but the security cameras were not always. they're the democratic party and installed the cameras after another attack from another right-wing group that the police believe are behind this. they're prepared for more. we the cameras caught the man

-- then lied. up the suspect allegedly placed a second explosive device through the broken glass that he had smashed, and within, second security cameras captured a real fire and lots of smoke then, boom, a big explosion. possibly a molotov cocktail finally going off there. the neighbor saw what was happening, they came rushing out with and fired extinguisher and put out the. fire no one was hurt. thankfully. the note that accompanied this was said that it was just a warning, that things would come continue to happen. the man behind this was not a criminal, he was just a resident of. austin but that he decided that he would attack the democratic party for political reasons. i don't think we have the

video. so just take my word for it that he confessed to the police and that he decided to attack the democratic party for political reasons. he is going to be going to jail on second degree arson and we will keep an eye on the story for you. that does it for us tonight, i will see you again tomorrow morning on my, show velshi, 8 am eastern. i have been on the road again, doing what i love to, do talking the folks across the country. i was in san antonio this week as part of hispanic heritage month. i talked to a fantastic group of latinx groups about everything from covid,, immigration to abortion. here's a. clip >> we know that in san antonio, if it was a four, immigrants if it wasn't for mexicans coming across the border, we wouldn't be the successful city and state that we are. but i also think that there is this sort of focus on not being

interested in working. these folks will come in and do this work. and make a commitment because they only want a successful life for their family and their kids. >> you can catch the rest of the conversation and more tomorrow morning, 8 am eastern. now it's time for the last word, jonathan kaye part, jonathan, i love it when two times in a week i get to finish the show and headed to. you so i had to you and your expertise of covering the kind of stuff that is happening in washington which is puzzling even for the experts. >> yes, it has been a bananas day, ali. but i have to ask you before you go, given the travels that you make around the country, i can't wait to see your discussion with the folks in san antonio. given your travels around the country, are you more hopeful than say those stories that we cover, and the politics that we have to cover? >> i will