i'm ali velshi. tomorrow is the start of a new term for the supreme court and women's access to abortion is on the line. the conservative-leaning high court is now set to reconvene on monday. it's going to hear a challenge to the landmark 1973 roe v. wade case that legalized abortion nationwide along with several other related cases this term. organizers say hundreds of thousands of demonstrators gathered in hundreds of cities across the country this weekend with some taking the fight for reproductive freedom right to the supreme court steps. and just days before yesterday's marches, the biden administration urged a federal judge to block the nation's most restrictive abortion law in texas, which has been preventing most women from accessing this form of health care since september. this is just one of the many things president biden is working on, as his administration reintroduces the country to what functional government looks like. that brings me to the ongoing negotiations surrounding his bipartisan infrastructure bill

and social policy spending package that has been dubbed the quote human infrastructure plan. now, you'll remember how the twice-impeached ex-president managed to turn infrastructure week into a long-running joke on capitol hill, that failed to even make a serious attempt to accomplish anything. he would literally launch several infrastructure weeks with a dog and pony show at the white house, only to step on his own messaging, usually within hours and see the whole effort collapse. with this new administration, we're seeing real plans for investment in the country. as with most things in government, the process is complicated. house speaker nancy pelosi is pressing forward. she's now set a new deadline, october 31st, as the new deadline, for the house to pass the $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill. that's the smaller one, the one that focuses on bridges and roads and such. that deadline also marks when the 30-day reauthorization of the federal highway program expires and pelosi stated in a

"dear colleague" letter, that the bipartisan framework one passed well before then for the sake of people's jobs. the decision to delay the vote has already angered moderates, who wanted to pass the bipartisan bill on its own last week, but progressives, democratic progressives, all but ensured that that vote would fail, unless the $3.5 trillion package that they are seeking to push through without republican support could be passed at the same time. now, following a meeting with president biden, he held it with without democrats on friday, tensions appear to be cooling between the warring factions, with both sides signaling potential openness to compromise on the bigger spending package. that's the one that's in contention. and that means that real work is happening, with the focus turning to actually what's going to be in the bill. like universal pre-k, or expanded medicare. as democrats make their way back to the negotiation room this week, "the washington post" reports discussion at the white

house has turned to some painful choices about what to keep and what to cut in order to bring down the total cost of the bill to appease centrists. joining me now, betsry woodruff swann, national correspondent for politico and msnbc contributor, a political correspondent for npr and the co-host of npr politics podcast. assa, let me start with you. what happened at congress with joe biden? because before he got there, the two sides were at each other. they had different things that they wanted to do. and when he came out, we heard the from congress member after congress member saying, hey weber going to get this thing done, come to a deal. do you have any idea what transpired to change the mood of this negotiation? >> i wish i knew exactly what transpired, but joe biden's and his team have long been insisting that he has years in

the senate, he knows how to get legislation done. so i think he made it very clear certainly to members of congress that they need to pass something, that this is crucially important, not just for joe biden, but for the sake of democrats leading into the midterms. and i think there's broad agreement amongst democrats that this collectively important for them. as you said, the issue is really what the scope of the package is and what's in it. and look, i think it's going to be a really, really tough decision for a lot of democrats, because what do you choose? do you choose elderly? do you choose to support the young? there's a lot in this bill and a lot that's broadly popular when you look at polling with the american public. >> that's just a better and more important discussion between $1.2 trillion and $1.5 trillion. those are numbers that blow all of our minds all the time. i would rather know, are we keeping this or giving this up? while that conversation is going on, s a asma, we have this whol other thing that's happening with the heating up of the

january 6th commission. we've been talking to members of that commission the last few days. they've subpoenaed 11 more people. they basically said, if we've got anything on you and you don't provide us the documents and the enemy that we need, we'll come after you. and they're trying to get to the bottom of who knew what when. it does appear that a number of trump colleagues and supporters did know that this could get violent and out of hand and they were trying the morning of that january 6th rally to bring the two groups together, to say, hang on, this thing could become a riot. >> it's really interesting to look at all of the new details and pieces of information that we're getting as this investigation carries out. and it points to how important this investigational probe is. one of the stated reasons that republicans have gone after this investigation is that they've claimed it's redundant and unnecessary given that the justice department is looking at january 6th, as well as the inspector general of the justice department and other investigatei bodies.

but if congress weren't looking at what happened on that day, we would have so much less visibility, particularly in terms of communications from within the white house and communications from within the department of defense. one thing that we know is that the white house process of releasing written communications that happened during the trump administration to congress, that process is time consuming, but currently underway. trump's lawyers are currently reviewing hundreds of pages of documents and trying to decide exactly how difficult they'll be in trying to keep those documents from going to the congressional committee. in terms of who knew what when, one new revelation we've gotten this week is that at 1:30 p.m. on january 6th, four hours after protesters started clashing with police officers at the washington monument and at the same time that the head of u.s. capitol police was begging the pentagon to release national

guard troops to help defend the capitol, at 1:30 p.m., at that exact same time, the department of homeland security,home security, sent a message over to the pentagon saying that there were no major instances of law breaking happening in d.c. at that moment. it's crazy how disorganized and messy law enforcement's response to the january 6th chaos was and it highlights just how important it is that we find out with clarity and beyond any debate who in the white house knew what when. and if people in the white house knew there was a very urgent likelihood that the events of january 6th could turn violent, which frankly all sorts of people realized. people in the white house realized that, why didn't they call dod? why didn't they say, take steps to keep pence safe? that's a pressing question and we expect the committee and reporters to get a lot more information in the coming weeks.

>> and to my fair-minded friends who said, this is just impeachment to, that's all really valid. this is important new information about whether someone had correct information and made bad decisions that led to the loss of life and the attack on the capitol. asma, i want to go back to the meeting between biden -- and yesterday biden spoke to a number of members of the press and said, i don't know who's frustrated. i'm not frustrated, i know how this works. and he does. joe biden arguably looked as comfortable in his skin as he's looked since he's been president about the fact that -- and this is the image that i'm talking about, about the fact that this is a negotiation. i know kboerkss. we'll get there. in doing this, has he sided more with the progressives than the moderates by saying, you're not getting the moderate bill you wanted passed first? we're going to get it both done, and if it takes a little longer to do it, that's okay? >> he has sided more with

progressives, but what i would point out is that while joe biden certainly ran, i think, as kind of the every man democrat, right? he really tried to court bernie sanders voters as well as kind of placate folks who had more moderate concerns, this is joe biden's legislation. i'm so fascinated when we look at the divide between progressives and moderates in congress. look at what joe biden himself put forth. this american jobs plan and american he has been calling for the 3.5, upwards of that, trillion dollars to be spent, expanding health care. and so joe biden himself, you know, i don't know, call it progressive or moderate, he has, you know, sort of made cracks about this himself. that for many years, he was considered a moderate in the senate. the stuff that he is calling for. his team will say that the coronavirus has made clear that there are just deep investments required in building a social safety net. but i will say, you know,

perhaps he is certainly siding publicly with the progressives, but that's because this is what joe biden himself has been behind and he has been behind. >> it's been a busy week in washington, it's going to be a busy weekend. i cannot think of a better way to kick off the show with the two of you. betsy woodruff swann is the national correspondent for politico. asma khaled is a political correspondent for npr and the co-host of the npr politics podcast. joining me now is congresswoman debbie dingell, a democrat from michigan and a senior whip for the democratic party and a great friend of our show. always a pleasure to see you. thank you for being with us. please interpret for us what we were just discussing. nancy pelosi has said october 30th as the deadline for one of these bills and reauthorizing the transportation bill. what are does that mean? it feels like everybody has just told everybody to cool it for a little while. we'll get this done. stop with the deadline talks, stop with being in the media

talking about the other side. >> i liked your description i've heard this morning better than any i've heard since february. democrats are united that failure is not an option. we cannot let this opportunity to do something to fix our infrastructure do something to help on health care, long-term care, and so many getting lead out of every water pipe in america not happen. and i think everybody in the caucus knows that and needs to deliver. and i think strrs important that we stop who won, who lost, but we need the american people to be the winner and we need to deliver. this weekend is a good weekend for everybody to take a deep breath and go back to the table next week not talking dollars, but talking what the programs are. i think what was missing, i'll be really blunt, sort of said it on way too early on what the

president wants. he wants both bills. and said to the progressives, and you're not going to get 3.5. but he put it on the table. this is his bill. we need to build back better. and now we've got to deliver and nobody in our caucus can fail to not vote to it once we get to what is going to ultimately be in this package. and he was very clear in the meeting on friday, don't talk numbers to me. what policies do people in your district want? >> thank you for that. that's the thing that i think is important to my audience, right? for anybody who's watching this show, $1.5 trillion is a lot of money. $2.5 is a lot more money and $3.5 is a lot more money and we don't know what any of it is for. we need to be thinking about this as, what is the return on the investment? i think back to your state and the brouhaha about giving the auto industry back that money in 2008. america gave a lot of money on giving the auto industry that money. the auto industry remained and staid healthy. we have to think about these things in terms of what does it get us as opposed to the

absolute price tag? >> that's absolutely what we have to think about. the jobs will be created. all politics are local. joe manchin fights for west virginia, i fight for michigan. the president said we'll get to 50% sales or target by the year 2030 of electric vehicles. then we've got to build out the electric vehicle infrastructure. there was a study this week, ali, that said that 50% of the children, this was a pediatric study, 50% of the children tested for lead in their blood have lead. we have to get the lead out of every pipe, not some pipes. too many people talk the number, i don't talk to number. never talk the number. i talk about what we're going to deliver for the american people. >> which is why we've got you here this morning. i'm a numbers guy, but this is not one of those instances where talking the number is helpful. talking the policy is where this needs to go. congresswoman debbie dingell, appreciate your time, the cochair of the house democratic policy and communications committee and has a whole lot of

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the taliban has dealt another blow to afghanistan's smart and ambitious girls. all classes at kabul's university were officially canceled on wednesday. the taliban say the school will remain closed until it can get rid of coed or mixed gender classes. the closure comes as thousands of girls are being forced to stay home and watch their male siblings and classmates return to middle and high school. for months, the taliban has tried to convince the international community that it's a more moderate, more humane version than the vicious intolerant regime that it was 20 years ago. it has allowed girls to go to school through grade six instead of stopping them at just 8 years old like it did in the 90s. but the recent crackdown on education suggests they're the still barbarians they always war. this article reads in quote, girl schools in parts of afghanistan under taliban control have been closed since last year, but the acting foreign deputy minister said

girls' schools in kabul would reopen after regulations are issued to ensure that they operate in accord with the taliban's version of islamic principle, end quote. the taliban wouldn't understand islamic principle if it bit them in their beards, but that's another issue. schools did not reopen to girls under taliban rule. let's compare that excerpt from 1996 to this one published in "the washington post" just this past thursday. it reads, quote, the taliban has said that women will be banned from teaching or studying at public universities in afghanistan until they can be segregated from men. two weeks ago, the new minister of higher education stated flatly, we will not allow co-education, end quote. the more things change for the taliban, the more they don't. according to the u.s. agency for international development, women and girls made up nearly 39% of the students in afghanistan before this latest taliban takeover.

the world bank says that women made up 22% of the country's workforce in 2020, but women are now being pushed back into the shadows and unfortunately, they have few places to turn for help. despite pouring billions of dollars into afghanistan's colleges and universities, the international community seems reluctant to get involved in this one. the taliban says all protests or public demonstrations must be preapproved and the organization that has replaced afghanistan's women's affairs ministry with the department tasked with a, quote, propagation of virtue and the prevention of vice. that's what replaced women's affairs. the office of virtue and vice was accused of violent atrocities against women 20 years ago. they're the ones who handled the public beatings and stonings in which women were killed. the taliban are racist, intolerant, misogynist, anti-democratic barbarians. this isn't a commentary on whether america should have stayed in or left afghanistan, but it is one on how the world needs to be vigilant not to fall

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the crisis of police violence in this country became impossible to ignore in the wake of the killing of george floyd. but there's new ed that even amid the massive awakening and movement that grew up in response to that murder, the scope of the problem is still being massively underestimated. the new study from the university of washington published in the medical journal "lancet" this week calls out police violence as, quote, an urgent public health crisis in the usa. the study found that there were more than twice as many police killings in america between 1980 and 2018 than were counted that way. the researchers say that roughly 17,000 police killings were

mislabeled. and that black men are both killed by police at disproportionately high rates and their deaths are mislabeled at higher rates than any other race. joining me now is sonia pruitt, she is a retired captain at the montgomery county maryland police department. she's also the former chair of the national black police association. the founder of the black police experience, and a great friend of our show. captain pruitt, thank you for being with us. can you just tell us? this just doesn't seem like something that should happen. it seems like when someone is shot or killed by the police, a coroner has to -- a forensic pathologist and a coroner should be involved, and it should be very clear statistically without judgment whether that person died at the hands of police. why is this not happening? >> that's a great question. and at the very, very least, it's negligence. but let's be real. with numbers like that, we're talking 55% underreported deaths, in-custody deaths,

involving the police. 59% involving black people. so there seems to be some intentionality here and some complicity. and while medical examiners may not be sitting down with the police and saying, we're going to underreport these deaths, it speaks to a culture that has been created. and that this pattern has now emerged. and it has been going on for obviously, at least since the 1980s, when it was really important to capture information correctly, because it was during a war on drugs and during an increase on mass incarceration. >> so there seems to be a distinction here between civilian deaths at the hands of police and being charged with a crime. because, obviously, there are going to be instances in which civilians die at the hands of police and it's not a crime. but one of the struggles we've had is there's no federal database of police shootings of people. we just don't have good numbers. so we are often arguing about -- on the basis of different

statistics. why is it so hard for us to at least gather all of the right statistics properly, and then everybody can argue and debate and parse them as they will. >> well, it's part of what i call another big lie. so, if you really wanted to capture that data accurately, we could. if the intentions of the state, if the intentions of police departments and sheriff's departments were good, they would say, hey, listen, let's go ahead and put the numbers out -- listen, the fbi is having difficulty with police departments in this country sending accurate information on use of force. which is why the george floyd justice and policing act was so important. they were trying to at least put some pressure there through the bill saying, hey, you really need to report out accurate information. well, that fell by the wayside. we're back to where we were. the big lie is that black people in particular exaggerate police deaths, particularly where it concerns unarmed black people.

but this whole thing supports this long-standing contention that racism is a multi-layered system. it's a multi-layered system of inequities, it involves corporations, it involves government partnerships, it involves the criminal justice system. and it affects the quality of life of people in this country, especially the black community. so it is important that data is accurate. but we have a long way to go to make sure that it is reported accurately. >> so there's a lot of debate about the terminology that's come up in the last year and a half about defunding the police. some people say it just doesn't have enough nuance in it, it means something else, whatever the case is. but a lot of the discussions around the language we use around polices is around public safety. you said something on october 1st. you said, part of the problem here is that police officers are not trained to make sure people get home safely. police officers are trained to make sure that police officers get home safely.

>> that's correct. from the time that you enter the academy, it is impressed upon you as a young officer that this is your family now and thaul of you get to come home safely every day and that the people out there are the enemy. that's a generalization, but it's part of this system, we can talk about the history of policing all day, but it is working as it's supposed to. and we now have to add this layer of reporting -- or misreporting, and we have a really long way to go to make sure that there's equity and justice. and you cannot do that if you're not telling people, this was a police-related death. >> captain pruitt, it's always good to see you. thank you so much for joining us. sonia pruitt is a retired

captain with the montgomery county maryland police department and a founder of the black police experience. we have some breaking news now out of kabul, afghanistan. the associated press is reporting that a bomb has exploded at the entrance of the igda mosque in kabul. a number of civilians are dead according to the taliban spokesperson. according to the associated press, there was a memorial service being held for the mother of a taliban spokesperson, who has tweeted that the attack has claimed lives. there is suspicion right now that this bomb may have been fomented by the islamic state khorasan. isis-k operates in kabul and is an adversary of the new taliban government. yet more violence in afghanistan. we'll bring you more information as it becomes available. still to come, marking hispanic heritage month in texas. discussing a wide range of

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misinformation. draw a big red "x" through it and say, this is not right, this is not science and and how many people actually believe that? i've never seen so much information going out than it is now. >> i think misinformation is a big issue and key to changing that, i think, you know, celebrities can do one thing, but it's really trusted people that you respect, which is usually your abuelita or your abuelito or your mother or father. we need to be knocking on housing doors, because these abuelita and abuelitos don't have a phone or transportation. and that's the piece we need to remember. >> city leadership from the beginning has been really focused on providing testing and vaccination in the communities that need it most, the underserved. and we're taking those -- the testing and vaccines to where people are at. so as a department, fire

departments traditionally and san antonio fire department for sure, we're a trusted member of our community. when we show up to somebody's home, we're there to help, regardless of any kind of status of whether you're an immigrant or not or what have you, we're here to help. we don't ask questions. if we've been doing something wrong, we're here to help. as the fire department, yes, we're a figure of authority, but a trusted authority within our community. we've taken a very, very strong approach to actually delivering vaccine. at the almadome here in town, working with metro health, our public health agency, we delivered over a quarter million vaccines in everybody's arms. so a huge effort, a big lift for the fire department to use economist existing resource to dlir deliver that information. >> and a trusted authority. a small group of people who wear a uniform that people don't mistrust or -- >> we try very hard. it's in our nature to try to be there to help somebody. >> alisa, i'm sorry to bring this up, you lost your father to

covid before there was a vaccine available. >> that's correct, yes. >> so this is close to you. >> covid is very real in our family, yes. and we have family that have young kids that are not sending them to school because they're so afraid. they think there's that 1% chance, that's enough, right. i also think the trusted approach that andrea is talking about is so important, right? because as business owners, we tell our employees, go get tested, go get vaccinated, get what you need, take off, do it right. but this is america. we don't like to be told what to do. that's something we struggle with. so the trusted component that needs to be brought in is probably a different approach that is needed for the last 30% to get done, right? i truly believe the vaccine saves lives. and because i believe that you never know how it's going to treat you. and we think, i'm going to be okay. we're taking a chance and why

would we take a chance on our lives or family members or something. and i think that that's something that is very real. we also think sometimes that, oh, it's going to go away. that this covid is eventually going to go away. and i don't know that that's true. i believe that this is part of the norm and we're going to have to learn to live wit. >> breanna, you actually faced this very directly. you worked with little children. do these children have parents who are vaccinated? is there vaccine hesitancy with the people that you work with? >> i've seen a little bit of hesitancy with coworkers, as far as parents, it's really up to them, it's not something we can force on them. but to me, it's also hard, because i have siblings that have health issues, so it is what pushed me to get vaccinated. and even though my mom was fully vaccinated, she still did get covid and that just happened within the last few months. >> is she okay? >> yeah, she's fine, she's doing great, but at the time, it was my mom and two of my brothers that all had it. for me, it's really hard. it was just hard, because it's

like, how am i going to tell other people, hey, get vaccinated, and like, my mom got vaccinated and still got it. and thankfully, because she was vaccinated, it wasn't horrible, it wasn't bad, it was manageable. but it was still hard because i'm the oldest of five siblings, so at that time i was working and took on a mother role because i had to take in my siblings that were in school. it was going to work, being a mom at home, and then -- i work with young children, so i'm a mom at work. it's like, i'm not clocking out, i'm doing this 24/7. >> i will tell you that our city and county leaders have led the effort. we're at 73% double vaccinated in this country. we're just a little bit behind el paso, but close to herd immunity. so there's still more work to do, but again, other cities and other communities of color should be looking at el paso and san antonio to find the pathway forward to get their people of color vaccinated. >> by the way, i went to san

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enough is enough. that's what united airlines ceo scott kirby decided after 57-year-old united pilot died from covid-19 inspiring him to require all employees to be vaccinated. the company announced a two-month window that ended this week for workers to get their shots. about 70% of united employees were already vaccinated but it took a mandate to convince most others to do the right thing. the "new york times" reports, quote, nearly all of united's

67,000 u.s. employees have been vaccinated in one of the largest and most successful corporate efforts of the kind during the pandemic. these are the stories the media should be reporting on. united airlines proved that vaccine mandates work. it's happening in other places, too. in new york state health care workers are required to have vaccines to continue working as of monday. if your doctor is off the job on monday you might know why and that is a good thing. last week 82% of the state's nursing home workers and 84% of hospital workers had gotten at least one dose. now with the mandate, 92% have gotten at least one dose. it is working. those who didn't get it will quit. that's a good thing. when tyson foods imposed a vaccine mandate in august less than half of their workers had received a vaccine. now the company has 91% vaccination rate. it is working. when vaccine mandates are put into place people become safer

end of story. should be the end of story except i'm bringing in a pulitzer and peabody award-winning journalist and columnist from foreign policy magazine and has been with us from day one of our coverage of coronavirus, the best selling author of "betrayal of trust the collapse of global public health." i've read so many articles and seen so many things in the news about not working because people are quitting as a result of having to be forced to get a vaccine mandate. 2%, 3%, 4% of a company's employees are quitting. so be it. let them quit. they can all go work for the same company for less than minimum wage until they see the light of getting a vaccine and not entain jering the rest of us. >> this is a story we learned long ago in the school systems around the world. mandate vaccination for measles, mumps, and so on.

parents follow through. if you don't mandate and allow a lot of loop hole is there is always a substantial percentage of the parent population that says no i won't vaccinate my children. now we're seeing the same with adults and it is about getting safe from this pandemic. not just for yourself but for the community. i think the hard part all of this is that, you know, vaccination is a community event. you're not just there to protect yourself. you're there to protect your family, your friends, your co-workers. everybody you interact with. you don't want to be a carrier spreading disease. it's been really difficult in this epidemic to get the concept of community responsibility across. a lot of companie choefly united of course -- chiefly united as the hallmark example and tyson and walmart have said if you don't understand community responsibility we're going to tell you, you either go along with the rules of the

community or you leave the community. you lose your job. you can't set foot in here again. this seems to be working everywhere across the country. we saw a similar thing in france. the french government said everybody get vaccinated by this date or you can't go in restaurants. you can't keep your job, etcetera. overnight, overnight millions of french went and got vaccinated. i think it is, you know, you can weigh the balance and say, oh, i think there is this miniscule possibility, something i read on the internet, blah, blah. and then your boss says, well, if you want your job -- >> it becomes a lot clearer. we saw the new york teachers firing out against the government forcing them to get mandates and then the court ruled they have to get it. the irony is that even though the teacher sued something like 98% of the teachers had been vaccinated in the first place. we are -- it is becoming the tyranny of the minority in this country. we have hospital systems with icu beds in the northwest of the

united states entirely full so you need to go in for some other procedure nothing to do with covid because you got vaccinated. you may not get a bed because unvaccinated people are getting covid and being hospitalized still ten months after getting a vaccine. >> that is true. and we are seeing this all over the world not just in the united states. i saw a tragic case in alberta, canada where an individual died of cardiac arrest because there were no empty beds in any of the hospitals that his family called for emergency treatment. this is of course a tragedy that means our death toll goes far beyond covid itself. ali, i think we're at that point now, the turning point, where every individual, every family, every employer can make sound decisions and impose sound decisions. here is the other thing. we have a new drug rolling out from merck. we've only seen press release

science so far and are waiting for the real details but it does appear if you take the drug early, before you have a lot of symptoms, before you're hospitalized, really sick, that it reduces the chances of you ending up in the hospital by 50%. okay. that's exciting. but here is the downside of it. you have to take it early in your infection. it doesn't do any good really if it's taken after you're already hospitalized. just like a vaccine, it is something that requires you think ahead. how do i protect myself before i'm sick? not after i'm in the hospital screaming give me ivermectin. >> we keep hearing ivermectin or people intubated and asking for the vaccine at that point. too late, friend. thanks. i didn't think back in january of 2020 you and i would still be talking about this in october of 2021 but we appreciate you always being here for us. an award-winning journalist and

msnbc news science analyst and best selling author of "the coming plague" and "betrayal of trust" the collapse of global public health. don't go anywhere. we're just getting started this sunday morning. in a few moments u.s. senator mazie hirono joins the conversation and we have a lot to talk about including the intraparty spending fight and another hour of "velshi" begins right now. good morning to you. today is sunday, october 3rd. i'm ali velshi. under the previous dysfunctional administration it seemed infrastructure week would never get done. now we have an infrastructure week that seemingly doesn't end. i'll tell you why that is a good thing. this week president biden is scheduled to host congressional lawmakers at the white house as democrats resume negotiations over how to pass two cornerstone pieces of his economic