morning consult poll blame both parties. republicans want to force democrats to raise the debt limit on their own in a political calculation with an eye on the midterm elections. still 402 days away. currently the 538.com average of congressional polls has democrats leading republicans by more than three points, 45 to 41.7%. and a very good day to all of you. from msnbc world headquarters here in new york, welcome to "alex witt reports." we begin with breaking news of a big oil spill off the coast of california. officials say more than 120,000 of gallons of oil were released, creating a slick that spans 13 square miles. beaches are closed from long beach to newport beach.

>> reporter: alex, local officials are going as far as cancelling the iconic pacific air show scheduled for today. they said they were disappointed to do that. but they need to devote the proper amount of resources and attention to prevent the oil from encroaching on treasured areas off the coast of california, wetlands and nature reserves. northeastern 120,000 gallons of oil already pouring into the ocean. huntington beach and newport beach now closed to the public. local officials say they've already begun to see dead fish and boards washing up onshore with the dark oil. lifeguards report a strong odor in the air. that has prompted hazmat crews to respond to evaluate the seriousness of the situation, a county supervisor there releasing a statement saying in part the ramifications will extend beyond the visible oil and odor that residents are

dealing with at the moment. the impact to the environment is irreversible. really it's a race against time. the u.s. coast guard, we're told, is leading the investigation, alex. >> emilie, thank you for that report. president biden is selling his ambitious build back better plan to the american people. but on capitol hill, how and when they get those plans across the finish line remains to be seen. progressives are seemingly open to reducing the price tag of the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill. they're refusing to say how low they would be willing to about it. >> what we've said from the beginning is it's never been about the price tag, it's about what we want to deliver. i don't feel the need to give my number, because we gave our number, it's 3.5. >> what about 1.5? >> that's not going to happen. >> why not? >> because that's too small to get our priority in. it will be somewhere between 1.5 and 3.5. and i think the white house is

working on that right now. >> this as the white house is pointing the finger at lawmakers across the aisle for drawing out the process. >> the real question is why are republicans making us go at everything alone? we have to do an american rescue plan alone. but the good news is we do have a united democratic party. we're always going to put people and purpose first, not politics. and we're going to get it done. plus january 6 was worse than we knew. that is the daunting title of a new editorial in today's "the new york times." the piece goes on to say the country was hours away from a full-blown constitutional crisis, not primarily because of the mayhem inflicted by hundreds of donald trump's supporters but because of the actions of trump himself. we'll take you beyond the headlines with nbc's heidi przybyla at the white house. heidi, the president is vowing to get these packages passed. do we know how long that's going to take? >> reporter: alex, the headline

from this weekend is that they no longer have a deadline. speaker pelosi said in a letter to her colleagues that she wanted to try and get this done before halloween but that's not really a deadline, it's just a truism in american politics that has stalked every new president. they try and get their one big thing done in the first nine months before the focus inevitably shifts to the midterm elections. publicly the administration is saying their only demand is that both infrastructure and social safety net programs now move together. here is cedric richmond from earlier today. >> we don't have a time frame on it. this is just about delivering and making sure that we deliver both bills to the american people because it meets their needs. we're not using an artificial timeline and we're not concerned with process. we're concerned about delivering. >> reporter: what's also new, alex, is that the president, as you said, will take this on the road.

we heard from him himself yesterday when he spoke to reporters. and he told us that he thinks that a lot of americans just don't understand what's in this bill. when he's talking about those americans, he means the constituents of senators like senator joe manchin, kyrsten sinema, people who he believes would really benefit from these social safety net programs but probably have no idea that's what's on the table are things that would make the lives of middle class people like them better. this is what he plans to do over the next coming weeks. and as soon as they can get somewhere closer on a number range, we might have more to share with you. >> okay, and we'll look forward to that, because that would be very effective from the president. thank you very much, heidi. julie sirsin on capitol hill, is there anything to indicate one of these bills might get over the finish line sooner than the other? >> reporter: alex, we would have

seen a vote on the bipartisan infrastructure plan this week if there had been any hope. that's why that's outreach from moderates because they feel like speaker pelosi missed her deadline of september 27, then thursday, then friday, to pass the bipartisan plan. of course democratic leaders are shifting to a softer target date, as heidi mentioned there. october 31. that's because there are key programs, highway funding programs, the debt ceiling that is up october 18, these things they need to address that are tied to the infrastructure bills, particularly because republicans want them to go it alone on lifting that debt ceiling and tie it into reconciliation. now, there is no chance that these two bills get passed separately if progressives continue to hold their line that they won't vote for one without the other. and here's senator bernie sanders, of course a progressive in the senate, leading the charge on that budget reconciliation. here's what he had to say on "meet the press" today. >> we've got to pass them both. i voted for the infrastructure

bill. it is an important by me. i'm a former mayor. i know how much we have got to address our crumbling infrastructure and create jobs there. but i also know that elderly people in this country can't chew their food because they don't have teeth in their mouth. i know the american people are sick and tired of paying ten times more for prescription drugs than the people of canada and other countries. there are young people out there who would love the opportunity to get a higher education but can't afford community college. we're looking to make two years of community college tuition-free. >> reporter: that of course was bernie sanders on abc, not "meet the press," excuse me. but they're talking about all of the ways this bill will improve the lives of americans and that is part of this big shift in pr strategy that democratic leadership are doing, that progressives leading the charge on this bill are doing, and that president biden will start to do tuesday in michigan, trying to show the american people how this bill will improve their lives, thus putting pressure on the moderates still holding out

on it and building consensus that way, alex. >> julie sirkin on capitol hill, thank you for that. also on capitol hill, the investigation into the january 6 attacks is heating up as the list of subpoenaed people is growing, with more subpoenas guaranteed to be on the way. betsy, always good to see you. it feels like the committee is really stepping on the gas in this investigation. they're going straight to subpoenas. chairman bennie thompson is threatening to issue criminal referrals to anyone who defies those subpoenas. what do you make of all of it at this point? >> the threat to issue criminal referrals is significant. any time you start talking about members of congress accusing people of crimes is a big deal. but it's doubly important because the biden administration controls the political appointees at the justice department. if trump were president and congress were controlled by

democrats, there's no way the doj would bring charges against people for defying a democratic congressional investigation. but now, if these democrats are able to put together criminal referrals that are serious, which they will be able to do if any of these witnesses defy their subpoenas, there's a very good likelihood that doj will take those referrals seriously. and that's something that is sure to be front of mind for any of these trump world witnesses who are thinking about defying those subpoenas. if the justice department had for whatever reason been controlled by republicans, then the only next step democrats would have been able to take to try to force testimony would have been through civil litigation, which is as we all know can take a really long time, very difficult for congress to get what they want that way. the fact that doj is a serious player in this particular moment of the investigation is something that i'm sure is worrying a number of these witnesses. >> to the point of thinking, yeah, we could end up in jail, we could be behind bars, is that

realistic? >> certainly. certainly. my understanding is that the criminal penalties if you're convicted of defying this type of congressional investigation could include a time that's up to six figures as well as a presence instance of i believe up to a year. it's no joke. this is pretty serious, a pretty serious threat that will be motivating these witnesses when they're trying to figure out what their legal options may be. >> do you have any reporting on when we might see the next round of subpoenas and who they might be for? >> i don't have specifics on when and who but i expect the committee is likely to subpoena folks who worked at the defense department on january 6. right now we're seeing subpoenas to people related to people who organized stop the steal, to tech companies for communications by and about white house officials. but we have yet to see much action from this committee as far as the very senior folks at the pentagon. and that's a huge, vital

question, because part of the reason that january 6 was as bloody and destructive as it was was because the pentagon took hours to send in the national guard and to secure the capitol. why did it take so long for the national guard to get mobilized? who decided not to send those troops in right away? who ultimately decided to send them in? why did that person ultimately decide to send them in? why were those decisions made? there is a massive amount of interest on the part of the public. so i expect that will be front of mine. >> what's mind the email that you have with your new reporting? is that part of it? explain what you're reporting, something about dhs telling the pentagon 30 minutes into the capitol breach. what did that say? >> this email that i obtained and that an organization was able to get through an open

records request, i found this email gob smacking. it's an email that dhs' national operations center sent at 1:30 p.m. on january 6 to the defense department. the head of the capitol u.s. capitol police is begging the dod to send in the national guard. the first protesters at the capitol building have started smashing barriers and it's been four hours since protesters at the washington monument were in violent clashes with police officers. what does dhs' national operations center tell the pentagon at 1:30 p.m.? they say there's no major instance of law breaking going on in d.c., specifically in the context of these protests. the fact that dhs, which is responsible for pushing back against major threats, was giving information that was that jaw-droppingly incorrect to the pentagon, it boggles the mind

and raises all sorts of questions. >> do you know whose name is on that email, from whom it was sent? >> we don't know whose name is on the email. we know it was sent by a communication system that connects the department of homeland security to dod. this system exists so dhs can regularly give dod updates on what it's seeing happening around the country. and these updates from dhs were going out every couple of hours over the course of january 6. i don't know if there's a particular individual at dhs who was responsible for writing that update. but from the emails we have, we do know that the update itself was circulated at very senior levels within the pentagon. we have the names of very senior pentagon officials who got that update in their in boxes, claiming everything was fine when in fact there was this awful violence unfolding. >> gob smacking is exactly the way to describe that one. let me get to one more piece of reporting you have about a covert ops program by the u.s.

postal service that swung into action in the days following january 6. what can you tell us about that? >> this is also a fun one. the fact that the postal service has a covert operations program. >> right? >> it's called the internet covert operations program or icop. i cover law enforcement, i wasn't even aware of the fact that this secret ops program exists in the postal service. in the days after january 6, analysts and versions were looking for ways to get access to social media postings that had been disappeared. many of the conversations leading up to january 6 by extremists happened on a social media platform called parler. the major internet companies moved to basically take parler offline. the problem that presented for investigators is suddenly there was all this potential evidence of crimes that they had trouble getting to. this is where the postal service's covert ops program

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right now, dozens of cargo ships are docked outside of u.s. ports as a result of a supply chain backlog. the shortage of workers and higher consumer demand is causing major delays. that may impact your wallet, as well as your patience, i'm thinking. nbc's scott cohen joins us from oakland, california. what are you hearing, scott, about these delays and how big an issue it is? >> reporter: they're a big issue for both of those fronts, for your patients, and also for your wallet, and really for the overall u.s. economy. this is a serious issue. on the positive side, there's lots of demand for goods. that speaks well for economic recovery. this was pent-up demand from the cove pandemic. companies anticipated that, they moved up their orders, and that's part of the reasons for this big logjam here at the port of oakland, one of the major ports on the west coast. they're seeing the highest cargo

volumes ever. in seattle there's 15 or so ships anchored offshore. in long beach, 60 vessels are out there, some of them waiting weeks to get into port and offload goods from all over the world, particularly from china, if you think about all the things we export from there. 60 vessels, each of them are huge, some of them rivaling the entire state building in size, each with thousands of shipping containers with the goods you're looking for. here's the problem when it comes to the economy. in terms of consumer prices, time is money. >> i would definitely anticipate higher prices for the consumer. it's a fact, well-established fact that the manufacturers are paying double digit and sometimes triple-digit prices higher for their inputs than they were a year ago.

that's a big factor in that, the explosion in demand. demand curve has shifted for manufactured goods. so there's a shortage of some of these inputs, so prices are going up. >> reporter: so it takes money, costs money to keep these vessels at anchor. it costs money to hire the workers to get these things to where they need to go. there's a big debate in business and economic circles about inflation. is it what they call transitory, it will go away once this irons out? but when you start to think about all the things that need to happen, the ripple effect from all these delays, you get a sense that inflation could be around for a little while longer. higher prices for you and me. that, as i said, alex, is a big issue for the economy. >> 100%. what keeps running through my mind is these cargo ship workers, do these guys have to stay on the cargo ships? can they get on a dinghy and row

ashore, do you know? >> reporter: sure, there's some of them. and that's where you get into these costs. you have to keep them there. and if they want to clear the logjams, they also have to get people into the warehouses to offload these things. that costs money, that's overtime. these ports in l.a., there's a lot of talk about this right now, are not running 24 hours a day despite all these goods that need to be offloaded. part of that is because it would cost a lot of money to do that. >> it's a mess. scott cohn, thank you so much. a growing list of airlines is now requiring their employees to receive the covid vaccine. just this weekend three more airlines joined united airlines. this comes after president biden announced that employees of government contractors will be required to be vaccinated with only very limited exceptions. joining me now is sarah nelson, president of the association of flight attendants, cwa.

i was talking about you, actually, and our friendship, in a conversation with a flight attendant. they were impressed. i was showing off. anyway, how does the union feel about these new mandates from american, alaska airlines, and jetblue? >> we have been receiving communications from our members that they really want these mandates because they know what coronavirus has done to our lives. we've lost friends and flying partners. we have lost people who are close to us in our homes. our jobs have been threatened. the only way we're going to get back to any kind of freedom is if we can put this pandemic in the rearview mirror. people are concerned about continuing to go to work after the rise of the delta variant. we're seeing greater hospitalizations of children. i've had members calling me saying they have neighbors whose 4-year-old child has just died. people are really concerned about this. they want to make sure we are as safe as possible as work and that we're doing everything we can to put this behind us. now, the union has the

responsibility to negotiate with the companies for implementation. and we need to make sure that any accommodations that are in place are done in a fair way. we're doing all of that. but with each of these airlines we have negotiated incentives. we've tried to narrow the list to make it possible for anyone to get the vaccine on their own volition. but what we're finding is that when the mandates go in place, people are saying, okay, okay, yes, i understand, i need to do it, let me just upload my card or i've got my first shot, let me get through this. and that's really what we're finding. so if we're going to get through this pandemic, president biden has got it right, we've got to have these employer vaccine mandates. >> that makes sense, and i have to question as to why it's taken this long for those people to say, okay, we have a deadline, now we have to do it, we'll jump to it. that said, when you think of unions, you think about unions protecting jobs. have you gotten pushback, have you gotten angry responses from those from, say, united, who

have been fired, because they're like, hey, you're supposed to protect my job? >> let's talk about united. we worked with the airline to set up clinics. we worked with the airline to push governors to put airlines on a priority list. then we said you have to create incentives so people are incentivized. and to narrow the list of people you need to reach with information and education, and clear instructions that the vaccines have to happen. so the list really narrowed. they also put in place an accommodation in practice. we don't have one example of a place where those accommodations were denied. as they've been handing out the termination letters, people have been racing to say, here is my card, i swear it was there, i uploaded it. we don't have a complaint yet of anyone saying i just don't want to do this. that's not what people are

saying. they're pushed to make a decision, they're making a final decision and they're getting it done. >> how about more time, can that be part of the negotiating factors, give people a little more time to get it done? >> we are working with the airlines on that. with united as an example, they don't really want to terminate people. they want people to get vaccinated. so they're working with the union where we can to make exceptions so that people can get that vaccination done and make sure that they're keeping their jobs. and so far, we're being successful at that. >> how many are close to being fired, how many are not vaccinated among those at risk? >> so the first night that those letters were sent out to just about 600 people across the entire airline, that list was cut in half overnight. and it has continued to dwindle each day. so now we're down to really a handful of people that were still trying to work this out. and the smaller the list gets, the more that we can work directly with people on getting this done or they can make the

choice that they want to move on. but it's a very, very small group of people. >> okay. so american, alaska, and jetblue. do you anticipate they're going to see what's going to happen with united and that you may not have the numbers you even had with united? they were the -- the first one is always bloodiest going through the fence, right? >> it's interesting, because once the airline made that decision, people really were not raising a lot of concerns about it. they wanted to know about the accommodations. there are people who have legitimate concerns around medical issues. and there are people who have sincerely-held religious beliefs and in those situations, accommodations are made. in other cases people want to know what do i need to do to continue to be able to work here. i want to make one note here, alex. vaccine mandates are as old as the revolutionary spirit of our country. >> right. >> george washington put vaccine mandates in place. >> smallpox. >> it may be the reason we won the revolutionary war and that

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joining me. i'm a southern california girl, so i've got a vested interest in all of this. i hate seeing the marine life damaged, along with the vast majority of our viewers. talk about what you're seeing right now, and can you confirm that what i'm just reading from a "los angeles times" update that just came to me, a breaking news update, that apparently the pipeline breach has been capped but oil is still leaking? what do you know? >> yes, that is correct. thank you for having us on. of course our beautiful orange county coasts, our california coast, is so precious to us here in southern california. this is devastating for our marine life, our habitat, our economics, our entire community. we did hear that the cap has been worked on. but the pipe was still leaking as of this morning when i got my report. we'll get another report around noontime. and they have been working on

repairing the pipeline. but not soon enough, because i just got news that the oil infiltration has made its way into our three protected marshes, our huntington beach wetlands, our calvert channel. we are seeing dozens of wildlife impacted, our natural habitat. we've spent decades building up and creating it and it's damaged in a day. so it's just tragic. >> it is tragic. do you know the origins of the oil spill? do you know who owns the pipeline, who's in charge of maintaining the pipeline? do we know what caused anything to happen here? >> well, i don't know the answer to what caused it. i do know the answers to your other two questions. the pipeline is owned and maintained by a company called beta offshore.

and according to the reports that i received in my office, the parent company is amplified energy. and they actually are working with our u.s. coast guard. they are the responsible party to do the cleanup, to finance the cleanup, to coordinate the cleanup. unlike other emergency responses where you might say the government is responsible for it, in this case the oil company is responsible for cleaning this up. and the financial impact to everyone involved as well. >> and not only that, i mean, the way of life impact. i mean, certainly in newport beach and huntington beach right now, it is still beautiful weather down there and folks would be naturally going to the beach. we've heard about surfers still out there surfing this morning. do you have a message to the residents of orange county to stay away? that certainly should be relayed to them, you would think.

>> the river jetty, which is an area where the oil has come up onto the shore, it's right between newport beach and huntington beach, and i represent both cities, so i was out there, and there were people out there fishing and there were people getting ready to go into the water. they had their dogs. and i was telling people, it's highly recommended that you not go in the water, there's been an oil spill. some people just don't know. we're doing everything we can to get the word out. we don't want animals impacted unnecessarily. we don't want surfers or swimmers really out in the water, because it's just unhealthy. and when i was out there, i'll tell you, i was out there doing interviews for a couple of hours. and you can feel the impact, the vapors are in the air. you start to feel it in your throat. so [ inaudible ] i want to

discourage people from going in the water. in fact the beaches will be closed. a new update, the beaches are going to be closed from the area that is along the huntington beach from the pier -- i'm sorry, huntington beach from sea point to the north, all the way down to the south, to the jetty at newport beach. so our county health officer in conjunction with city of huntington beach and their marine safety division are closing the beaches, not just the water but the actual shoreline so we can get this cleaned up. >> katrina, we're showing some new video that's into us here at msnbc from overnight. and the spill is just devastating, particularly when you look out at the water and the slicks that have gathered there on top of the water. we heard reports from nbc news crews that you could see dolphins still swimming through this. the whole thing is just heartbreaking. there is an economic impact.

do you have any guesstimate, before you let you go on this busy day, as to how long this could potentially take to clean up? >> i don't have a guesstimate. we can only go by what we've seen in the past with oil spills. i am going to be heading up with the coast guard at 1:00 p.m. to tour the coast from the aerial view. so we'll have more information then. we're getting an update at noon from our instant management team, the u.s. coast guard, and our orange county sheriff's department harbor patrol. so we might have more news then. but the effects will take a couple of days and i don't see this getting cleaned up anytime soon. the good news is, we've got to always try to find the silver lining here in sunny california, the good news is that technology is so much better than in the past. the methods for quick cleanup are much more effective.

and we just are pouring all resources in to mitigating this ecological disaster and making sure it doesn't become worse. >> okay. katrina foley, i appreciate the positivity. we'll try and end it on that note despite the horrible pictures on the video. thank you very much for your time with us. joining me now is california congressman ro khanna, democratic member of the house armed services, agricultural, and oversight committees. i know you are a member of the subcommittee on the environment, and you're in california, granted you're in san jose and that sort of central california area. but when it comes to seeing this kind of thing affecting the shoreline of california, what's your reaction to that? >> alex, as a californian, as an american, it's devastating. it's why there are 54 of us in the house who are pushing,

saying let's end the subsidies to big oil and gas companies. right now they actually get special treatment, better terms than renewable energy or any other industry in increasing drilling and oil. we're seeing the consequences over and over of our overreliance on fossil fuels and we need to end those subsidies. >> okay. we'll leave it there for this particular conversation on that topic. let me ask you about fellow democrats, notably kyrsten sinema in the senate. there was a scathing rebuke of what her potential motives might be from john yarmouth earlier on msnbc. i want you to listen to what he had to say about it and get your reaction on the other side. here we go. >> i have no idea. you know, i served with kyrsten sinema. she spent most of her time in the house talking with republicans. the only time she ever talked to us was to ask us for money.

so i never really understood what she's wanted. i know she has a sincere interest in helping deal with climate change. but that's the only agenda item i've heard. >> do you, based on her communication around these two bills in particular, do you also not understand what she exactly wants? do you think she's working off principle, is this politics? what is this about the pushback that she has offered? >> alex, no one knows. john yarmouth is one of the most mild mannered people in congress, everyone likes him. for him to say this, and it's vindicated, look at the "saturday night live" skit last night, they're asking the same thing, what is it she wants? i have respect for senator manchin. we disagree on some issues. but he's been very clear on what he wants. what we're asking senator sinema to do is say, what are you for? what are you against? are you against every

kindergartener getting preschool? are you against seniors getting dental care? you say you're for climate change but are you willing to put the money into renewable energy? what are you for, what are you against? >> it may seem like we're piling on kyrsten sinema right now, but to your point, it's hard to know where she stands, she's not being that clear about it. she did release a statement. here is part of what she said, she says, my commitment to delivering lasting results is also why i have engaged for months in direct, good faith negotiations over the separate budget reconciliation proposal. good faith negotiations, however, require trust. so are progressives not putting enough trust in their moderate colleagues throughout this entire situation? do you genuinely believe that if you voted for infrastructure last week, that moderates would leave reconciliation hanging? >> i believe that the president didn't want that. the president has been very clear and was explicit, finally, on friday, that he wants both

bills to pass simultaneously. they're both part of his agenda. so progressives were just standing up for what this white house wanted. if the white house wanted infrastructure to pass separately, they could have done that. they could have started calling progressives, the speaker could have started whipping on that. i didn't get a single call from the white house, the speaker, from the majority leader. the vast majority of the caucus understood this. there were a few under a misguided impression that the white house or the speaker somehow wanted infrastructure to pass. they've now seen the reality with the president being very explicit on friday. >> okay. so what about this, your democratic colleague josh gottheimer, one of the leading moderates, has also put a statement. he says, we cannot let this small faction on the far left who employee freedom caucus tactics as described by "the new york times" today destroy the president's agenda and stop the creation of 2 million jobs a year. i imagine you want to respond to that. >> josh is someone who i've actually worked with, he

negotiates. i understand it's got to be a frustrating moment for him. but again, here you have a consensus between the president of the united states, the senate, the majority leader, the speaker of the house, and 95% of democrats. in the freedom caucus's case, whatever you think of them, they were taking on the speaker of their own party, the president of their own party. we're in alignment with our party leadership. you can criticize our position as too expensive or taxes are going up too much on the wealthy or we don't want to spend this much money on the working class. but in terms of just the tactics and the procedure, people should be very clear. we are behind the president's agenda. 90% of the mainstream democratic party wants this. those who are opposed to it have the obligation to explain why that's the case. >> so the talk now seems to be pretty much focused on the top line number for the reconciliation package. so take a listen to what senator tina smith told me yesterday. >> what we should do is build up from what we need to do, what we

want to do, then come to an agreement on what that number is. it's not going to be 3.5, i think we know that. what that final number is will be part of the negotiations. >> she said right there, it's not going to be $3.5 trillion. is that acceptable to you, do you have a bottom line? >> yes, senator smith is exactly right in her approach. let's see what we're for, the proposals, add them up, come to a compromise number. i trust the president's the judge, if he says, look, ro, here is a fair compromise, my guess is a lot of the progressives will be on board as long as all the stakeholders are part of that discussion. >> do you think it's important that the president get out there this week to say to the american people, here's what's in this bill, here's how it's going to affect your life, and benefit your life, to his way of thinking, and yours as well? do you think that's the approach to take now? >> yes, because by definition, the party has no better

messenger in places that voted for trump and now voted democrat. the president understands scranton, pennsylvania. he understands communities that have been left behind. he beat donald trump in those communities. i think him going to those communities and saying this is about restoring hope, this is about restoring opportunity in those places, this is about restoring dignity and pride, i think that message will resonate. and he is a perfect messenger for it. i'm glad he's going to be out there. >> nancy pelosi said halloween, it's going to get done. do you agree? >> the speaker is usually correct in these things. here's what i say. it will get done for sure. i don't know whether it's going to be, like the president said, the next couple of weeks, whether it will be october 31, whether it will be a few weeks later. but the important thing, alex, is that we get it right. look at what we're trying to do, we're finally going to get every kid in this country the opportunity for preschool. in france they've been doing that for years, every 3-year-old

gets universal education. we're finally going to get seniors the chance to say, look, you can go to a dentist, you can go get your hearing aid, we're finally going to say to people who are juggling two jobs, that they had some help in raising their kids. these are big ideas that we've been pushing for for 30 years. and you know what, if we have to wait another two months to get them, fine. >> okay. california congressman ro khanna. let's hope it gets done by halloween, because it will get kind of scary, covering all of it, if it doesn't. thanks, my friend, have a good one. the seemingly endless search for voter fraud shifts to another state. this audit raises bigger concerns than the one in arizona. it involves people's privacy.

there is a new republican led election audit in pennsylvania following an attempt to subpoena personal data from every registered voter

in the state, nearly 9 million people in total. the state attorney general called the subpoena unlawful. joining me is pennsylvania state representative malcolm kenc ata. malcolm, welcome. thank you for joining me. so representative, you wrote in an op-ed in "the enquirer" titled pennsylvania is on the precipice of a major political shutdown over voting rights. how damaging could this audit be in your state and what do you think it could do to voter confidence in our elections? >> it is awful to watch this latest attack and that is what this is. this late ets attack on the democracy. i'm standing right outside of independence hall here in philadelphia, pennsylvania,

birth of american democracy and we'll be damned if we watch it be destroyed on our watch why. you see the people that wanted to throw out the votes of every pennsylvanian in the last election and want to use the tactics that i think are to try to intimidate voters from being engaged in the process. what good reason do they need a social security number, driver's license number, the method by which they voted? they have come up with all sort of press releases about why they would need this information. but not one is sufficient in explaining why we should trust the people who wanted to burn down our democracy, to trust them with the personal information of voters. we don't trust them and we don't. >> i understand why you say it that sobering statement. let's ask you about the similar recount in arizona confirming president biden defeated donald

trump and found more votes for joe biden. now there's an audit in wisconsin. do you think this is less about confirming the 2020 election and more about affecting future elections. >> 100% of what it is about because you have heard them say that there have been so many problems in the last election. the only problem from their perspective is that their twice impeached one-term president lost an election overwhelmingly across the country and lost here in pennsylvania. so i don't really see that as a problem but american democracy. but in my committee when i'm the chair, they actually want to change the pennsylvania constitution. they want to take the worse hits of voter suppression and intimidation and put it into our constitution so think about that for a second. what is being done all to i guess get an invitation to

mar-a-lago and so many colleagues say to me privately and to reporters off the record they don't believe this but they're doing this out of pure political expediency and they have awful ideas on how to respond to the needs of pennsylvanians. >> let me ask you about the republican nominated house committee there in pennsylvania that advanced that bill with voter identification, audit requirements, there were mail-in ballot drop box measures. is there one that you find most egregious there? >> i think this entire package, what i find most egregious about this voter suppression package, that's what it is, they're calling it a voter protection package. you think about the irony of that and the only thing to try to do is protect working people from showing up to the ballot to

make their frustration known. if we have a government to work for working people we need working people in the government. i was just watching the last segment and these are not really two separate thing just the same people who want to shut voters up, make it more difficult for pooh 'em to vote they don't want child care and deal with the prices of housing affordability, don't want us to expand medicaid for dental and hearing aids. these are the same people, not different people and a different strategy. if they can't convince voters to go with tax breaks for corporate interests they shut voters up and that's what we see in pennsylvania. that's why i think so many people going online to be a part of this campaign.

>> probably a lot of why you are running. pennsylvania state representative, thank you so much. very apropos right there by the independence hall. thank you. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. stay with us. and lower your a1c. now you know. freestyle libre 14 day. now covered by medicare for those who qualify. ♪ upbeat, catchy music ♪ freestyle libre 14 day. >> tech: i am safelite. >> tech: i am safelite. are you? >> tech: at safelite, we're hiring. >> tech: apply now to start your future. >> tech: i make a difference, and you can too. >> techs: we are safelite. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪

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good afternoon. i'm yasmin vossoughian. we have a lot to cover. the central focus is on capitol hill. democrats using the sunday morning talk show circuit telling americans not to panic coming to the new social spending plan and infrastructure deal but there is still no agreement yet and fears remain after arizona senator sinema