tv The Mehdi Hasan Show MSNBC October 3, 2021 8:00pm-9:00pm PDT
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mixing basketball and politics again. backing nba players hesitant about getting vaccinated, your body your choice. that wasn't his saying for the women of texas. the biden administration is meeting with a man that ordered his death. will saudi arabia ever be held accountable. we'll hear from jamal khashoggi's fiancee. good evening. september was supposed to be the month congress passed hundreds of billions of dollars in new spending and guess what? the house did 116-113. you might be scratching your head and say didn't it fail to come to a vote on thursday night? isn't the reconciliation bill nowhere near ready for a vote? you're right on both counts but i'm not talking about those bills. i'm talking about a bill that
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flew quietly under the radar like an f-32 stealth bomber when it works. it authorized $740 billion for the defense department. $768 billion total. president biden submitted a $715 billion budget to congress for the defense department to which members of both parties said as if and just threw in $25 billion extra that they found under the couch cushions presumably. yeah, in a supposedly divided congress, they gave bipartisan support to spend more money on bombs and bullets, humvees and fighter jets. look at the future projection on this graph. defense spending goes up in the ten years from 2025 to 2035. it's a regrettable fact of life in america that we argue over funding for health care and to address child hunger and to, you know, save the planet's ability to sustain human life but hey, quickly and quietly passing
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hundreds of billions to blow things up and interfere in conflicts overseas. no problem, count me in. that's $7 trillion for defense over ten years, which is double what senator bernie sanders is bushing for in the budget reconciliation bill. funny that we never count defense spending over ten years, only child care. but those are america's warped priorities. why do we spend so much on f-35 fighter jets that often don't work but not universal prek or free community college. not just me who thinks this. a four-star general turned republican president who helped save the world from hitler gave an unheeded warning about america's appetite for weaponry. >> every gun that is made, every worship launched signifies a theft from those from hunger,
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those who are cold and not clothed. >> it's worth pointing out that president eisenhower is responsible for the internet highway system fighting hard to get congress to pass the act of 1956 and it could be argued that no major infrastructure projects of that scale have been under taken in this country since. in six decades or more, we can't agree today on what infrastructure is anymore. meanwhile, we're quietly pouring more than $700 billion into a defense budget for things like a betting saudi war crimes in yemen. no country spends anywhere close to what the united states does on defense. china is second but only spends about a third of what america does and add in india, rush, germany, france, south korea, italy and australia and all of them combined don't spend as much as the u.s. does on defense. it's lunacy or is it? suddenly. there is no polarization or filibustering, not even when it came up for a vote after the u.s. ended the longest war in
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history at a cost of $2 trillion. so you think money for defense would be going down right now. not up. that's what progressives in the house wanted but no, the senate will also pass this defense spending bill even as the build back better act languishes that. joe mansion and kyrsten sinema don't seem to have the same fiscal concerns about giving $2 trillion to american defense contractors, afghan war lords as they do to helping provide free hearing aids in west virginia or paid child care to west virginia. i'll be dammed if i know what sinema is thinking about anything. >> what do i want from this bill? i'll never tell. because i didn't come to congress to make friends and so far, mission accomplished. >> sinema, mansion and their pal josh in the house, the conservative democrats. as the progressives proved last week, they're a force to be
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reckoned with and defending and pushing the whole biden agenda. who is going to win this game of legislative chicken? who better to ask than congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez a leading member of the house progressive caucus. welcome back to the show, congresswoman. the vote on the infrastructure frame work didn't happen on thursday because your side, the progressives stood firm. we're about to start a new week of negotiations. question, do you believe both these bills will still past or are we at risk of losing both of them and would that be a price you're willing to pay? >> well, i believe that -- i do believe both bills are going to pass and i think that both bills -- a big reason both bills are going to pass is because the american people supported an enormous caucus of 95 house progressives to defend these kinds of investments. now, what i will say is that passing the so-called bipartisan infrastructure bill alone could and potentially will have net
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negative effects on climate and on top of everything else, on top of the potential risk of not securing these generational and once in a lifetime investments, that the risk of doing harm to our climate right now is something that we cannot afford. >> yes. very well put. congresswoman, i've been quite clear about the fact we in the media failed to accurately report on the bill as a $3.5 trillion package over ten years. your party failed on the messaging, too, hasn't it? why don't democrats refer to this as a 350 billion-dollar a year spending bill as they refer to the bloated defense budget as $700 billion a year and not $7 trillion over ten years? >> i wish we did. i wish we did. i think there is two factors for that. i think on one hand you have very conservative democrats and special interests that want to make this number sound very big
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and scary to more conservative and moderate voters and on the other hand, you also have individuals who want to say that this say big, you know, big spending how unprecedented it is and how exciting it is but the fact of the matter is what we're discussing now as you say is $350 billion and when you look down on, for example, you know, some of these conservatives trying to bring it down to the area of $1 trillion, rather$1 trillion, that's $100 billion a year. that's the operating budget for new york city and so imagine taking the yearly operating budget for new york city and trying to spread that all across the united states and act as though that is going to meaningfully change our lives. it's not. that's why we have to make sure we defend these investments. >> so one of the very conservative members of your caucus you referenced, new jersey house democrat josh says
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you're part of a small far left faction that quote blocked the president's agenda and yet, the president seems to be siding with you guys that didn't endorse him in the primaries, which is amusing to me. what is your response to the congressman? >> well, i do math, and 95, which is the number of house democrats or house progressives is larger than nine, which is the number of democrats who signed on to a letter threatening to sink the entire reconciliation bill back in august demanding this vote this week for an arbitrary reason, even the president wasn't demanding a vote this week. so, you know, i would wish that some of our folks are coming to the table the way that we are but also, tensions get high in legislaing and negotiating. it's a natural part of the
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process and i wish them well. >> another conservative democrat who won't come to the table very explicitly, senator sinema from arizona is out with a statement for betraying the american people, engaging in stunts she says. arizona democrats are upset with her threatening her with a vote of no confidence. as someone that came to office having primaried an out of touch conservative democrat from the left, should sinema be worried about a primary challenge come 2024? does that need to be talked about more as a way of reminding her the pressure is on in a bluish state, arizona? >> well, you know, i think ultimately, that is always up to the folks right there in the state of arizona. are they happy with their leadership? their most recent senator is more progressive, is -- fights very hard for working families but that is ultimately up to the
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people of arizona. it is a state that is increasingly latino and latin that and a state where indigenous people really just showed up and organized in incredible, remarkable ways for the presidential election. it is a place where working class populous politics is really taking off and i think that, you know, if you're home in arizona, it's a question you may want to raise. >> we've talked gottheimer and sin sinema. that was a symbol, that image. as like as he likes to troll us, he is kind of right when he says democrats are in this boat because your party didn't elect enough people to congress in general last november and especially people with your views. progressives didn't win enough elections. that's fair, isn't it?
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>> yeah, and i think the opposite is fair, as well, right? in that you have frustrations on the left perhaps that you have conservatives in the senate that are blocking things like universal prek or free community college or expanding medicare, but the same very much applies to these conservatives in the senate. they are sending off, you know, these very angry statements, but they could have elected more conservatives to the house of representatives, but right now we have a caucus of 95 people holding strong because frankly the house of representatives, it is not the undemocratic or as undemocratic of a body as the united states senate is and so as a result, it tends -- because our elections are every two years, it reflects the present moment of this country a little bit more quickly, i would say and responsively. >> they could have elected a
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non-left democrat to the white house. oh, wait, they did and he's not on their side. one last quick question before we take a break on this part of the interview, we're going to talk to you in part after the break. one last quick question. i hate asking this. i hate the abstract numbers debate but people are wondering would you accept less than 3.5 trillion? we're hearing 2.1 trillion. is that until the realm of possibility for alexandria ocasio-cortez? >> well, you know, getting down to the low twos, that is something that that's i think going to be quite difficult but when it comes to question of 3.5, you know, there is this matter where we do have these two holdouts in the senate. this is a conversation to have. again, it doesn't necessarily mean cutting back the scale of these invesinvestments. it could mean perhaps we do a five-year infrastructure plan instead of a ten-year. it's important to context wise
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this number. $3 trillion over ten years is less per year than if we go $3 trillion over five and you can work with those numberstious po do things like work on the timeline or also, washington accounting is notoriously funny. how do you account a tax cut for working families? do you count it as lowered revenue or increased spending? a lot of times that kind of accounting affects the top line without affecting the outcome of felt experience. >> funny you mention accounting. we can't get the defense department audited for hundreds of billions of dollars. we'll take a very short pause. congresswoman, please stick around. we have more to get to including voting rights after a short break. plus, later this hour senator ted cruz wants basketball players to speak their minds but only if they're encouraging vaccine hesitancy and for 20 years we fought a
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we know the big infrastructure vote is on hold until democrats can vote on it. it's easy to forget a couple weeks ago there was another item at the top of the party's agenda, voting rights. they are just as crucial for the midterm elections and time may be running out for big d democrats but small d democracy as congress woman alexandria ocasio-cortez pointed out on twitter, the two democratic senators slow walking negotiations on spending are the same two who are also holding up voting rights. she's back with me now. congresswoman, we have republicans gutting voting rights and trying to subvert elections at a state level and democrats at a federal level unable to pass legislation to
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stop them. the first time i anchored a show on this network, july of 2020 i warned about the threat of fascism in this country. you did a facebook in august of 2020 you said the presidential election was about stopping fascism in the u.s. after biden's win and voter suppression laws, as well, in your view are we closer or further away from full blown fascism in america? >> well, you know, it's closer relative to when. you know, we were -- we're basically there under the trufr administration and i believe that the election of joe biden essentially paused our decent into just the complete up ending of our democracy but we are not out of it and the threat is merely growing right now and until we pass voter rights legislation, we are very much imperilled and if we don't pass
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strong voting rights legislation soon, it cannot be right before the midterm but it needs to be very, very soon. i mean, we're already running out the clock. the census data for redistricting was handed over mid august. states are currently taking knives to districts right now and drawing those red lines and many of them are republican states that are disproportionately disinfranchising communities in order to protect republican and frankly unrepresentative seats and if we do not pass voting rights legislation in a very, very short period of time, it risks the republican party gaining the house and if they gain the house as we have seen, there is a very real, very real chance that they will not certify the 2024 presidential election, if it is not a result to their liking. >> and we saw what happened on 1/6. that was an attack on the nation's capitol. you tweeted about a capitol
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police officer accused of leaking the whereabouts of the secure location for lawmakers on january 6th saying that's why you refuse to go there. six capitol police officers have been disciplined. do you feel safe inside the capitol today? >> no. not always. and, you know, it's a very difficult thing to say and difficult thing to talk about. i recently had conversations with house leadership about this and it is -- it's unfortunate because it does not necessarily reflect, you know, as we know and everyone has said, this does not reflect the spirit or heart of every single capitol police officer but the fact of the matter is there was very wide spread disturbing behavior that has not been accounted for on the 6th. >> yeah, it hasn't. we have to wait and see what this committee does.
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circling back to the funding debate we were talking about before the break. congress suddenly found a billion dollars to give israel for the missile defense system which to be clear to our viewers is already fully funded. this is a billion-dollar cherry on top. the majority of the squad corey bush, pressly voted for it. he wanted to represent his diverse constituents. you voted present despite having criticized other house members in the past for voting present. you put out a statement addressing this. can you briefly explain to our viewers on msnbc tonight why you voted that way? you've come under a lot of criticism for that vote including from supporters of yours? >> yeah. yeah, absolutely. this is an extremely, extremely difficult vote and i also think it's important that people are educated about the process of this vote. that democratic leadership decided to fast track this funding so when you want funding for preschool here in the united
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states, if you want funding for any sort of domestic priority, it must go through what feels like 80 different committee hearings, markups, et cetera. in fact, earlier that week leadership attempted to kind of slip in an extra billion dollars into routine legislation and i was part of the democrats that have helped to remove it because this is contentious. now what became very difficult during the course of the week was that, you know, my district is adjacent to representative bowman's and this began to frankly just really become quite contentious in our community in part due to the disingenuous messaging both parties were adva advancing. you are correct this funding is in addition to the already fully funded ire dome but democratic leadership decided to run with the narrative this is in fact to vote against it was to defund the iron dome, which sent many,
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many, many of our constituents interest a panic. they called this vote. they scheduled the vote two hours. they called the vote two hours after it was announced it was scheduled and that lack of timing created a very volatile environment back in the district and so it is something that has been obviously very difficult, but -- >> but the question, congresswoman, the question that a lot of people asked me to ask you, was it worth doing present because it didn't really satisfy anyone. critics are mad for you not voting against it. do you regret that? >> you know, it is something that i weigh because there is always the macro and then the micro and in the macro of narrative, of politics, of national impact, you know, it -- i probably should have just gone with my value, but in the macro, which would be to vote no. but not micro, i do believe that
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this created a window in our community to be able to bring all folks to the table because my great fear is we'll import the same sort of contention around this issue and we can have a progressive movement that defends palestinian human rights that is muslim, christian, jewish so in the micro, i believe it created a window of opportunity for us in the bronx, but in the macro, it was very difficult, yes. >> so just before we finish on a lighter note than israel, pal spin -- palestine. my teenage daughter reminded me of sarah palin's criticisms of you. >> does my existence make you mad? does the fact i am a mouthpiece for the people of new york's 14th congressional district upset you? i have help for you.
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call 1-800-cry-now. it's 1-800-cry-now. [ laughter ] i. >> i have to ask, is this something you come up with your several? do you have a team of people? >> i really do. there is -- yeah, no, no, no. there is -- there's people that have all these theories that i have some sort of intern or something on my twitter account or my instagram but i would never let someone who works for me run with that kind of messaging. it's a little too spicy but i'll do it myself. so however, my facebook and yeah, my facebook and artificial account, we have teams and organizers helping us because my full-time job is not to post. is my part time, right? >> your full-time job is not to post but a lot of our viewers enjoy the dunking. congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, we have to leave
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it there. appreciate you coming on the show again. >> thank you. next, is blob fish basketball back? why senator ted cruz mixing basketball and politics again? i'll explain next. but first, the headlines with vineta. >> a major cleanup operation launched to tackle a large oil spill off the coast of california. this lake is around 13 square miles in size and 3 miles off new port beach. as cleanup efforts get underway, officials warned of quote substantial economical impacts. many were killed a kabul mosque on sunday morning. the deadliest attack since u.s. forces left. three arrests have been made. no claim of responsibility. 11 people were rescued after their boat capsized saturday night in seattle. firefighters responded to the call in elliott bay.
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welcome back. it's time for the 60 second round. start the clock. remember when ted cruz referred to a basketball ring? the united states crossed 700,000 deaths from covid he dribbled back into the world of basketball tweeting against nba stars against vaccines. i stand with kyrie irving, jonathan biel, #your body your choice. is he a member of planned parenthood? he bragged about -- that's how the right operate. they hate sports stars speaking out unless they're agreeing with the right. remember laura ingraham that said this about lebron james in
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made the right decision once again raised its head. one knowledgeable voice suggested the u.s. withdrawal was good for ordinary afghans. they spent a lot of timing including this past summer in afghanistan and not in the bustling city centers but rural areas where 70% of the country's population lives and produced a stunning piece for the new yorker last month that documents how rural afghans have not turned to despair in the wake of america's departure but opposite. it was pure hazard drinking tea in the sun lit field or driving to your sister's wedding was a deadly gamble. the author of "no good men among the living." there are a lot of people tonight that hear of deaths in kabul and say see, that's why the u.s. should have stayed in afghanistan, to save lives. your reporting from the ground in rural afghanistan says otherwise, does it not? it questions that humanitarian
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intervention narrative we hear so often. here in washington d.c. in particular. >> well, it's natural to feel this way because a lot of us pay attention to afghanistan in 20 years. what is happening for the last two decades is the type of bombing that happened yesterday in kabul was happening almost every single day in the countryside in villages. there were air strikes committed by the united states. there were night raids by the u.s. or u.s. backed forces. there were kidnappings by the taliban or by the u.s. backed forces. so really, daily life was a sort of terror for most ordinary afghans, especially in those parts of the country where the fighting was the most intense. >> so you've given such a different perspective to a lot of what we've heard especially since august. why haven't we heard more of the story that you're telling about ordinary afghans, the rural areas, the resentment of the u.s. presence and their own government in kabul? why did so many in the american
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media seem to screw this story up so badly over two decades? >> well, it's important to understand that afghanistan like any country is a multi faceted complex diverse country. the war in the last two decades wasn't fought across the country but only certain provinces and in those areas, it's difficult to enter. part of the reason is because the taliban were kidnapping journalists and part of the reason is there was nobody there that spoke english, the culture was different from the big cities like kabul. for all of us in the media, it was easier sometimes to be in kabul or in major cities and talk to people who perhaps were of a wealthier background, middle or upper class afghans similar to us. at the same time, those areas didn't see conflict. if we just reported from those regions, the last six months or three months would have not made any sense. why did the afghan army suddenly collapse and fall to the taliban? but if you look from the countryside, the afghan army had no legitimacy. the government had no
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legitimacy. they were desperate for anything that would bring peace. >> your epic yorker" piece is based heavily on conversations with shakira. how hard was it to report on her and what surprised you the most when you did? >> it's not easy to meet women in these areas. independent of the taliban. there are cultural norms that make it difficult for men to speak with unrelated women. i had to spent a lot of time cultivating trust with grandmothers where the norms are a little easier to work around and eventually, i was able and fortunate to be able to meet many women from all walks of life and shakira is an example of that. she's in her early 40s, which means she has lived her entire life in conflict. first due to the soviet invasion that killed hundreds of thousands if not maybe a million
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afghans, again the civil war that happened after and the u.s. invasion that surprisingly from the point of view of shakira and friends was no different from the soviet invasion. they didn't come from their point of view to bring rights and freedom, rather just chaos and they brought war lords and life became unbarble. >> on that note we talk so much in the west about human rights and women's right but the most important right is the right to life and we, the west, the americans and british deprived a lot of people. shakira lost 16 family members to what locals call the american war, raids, air strikes from the u.s. military or afghan government allies. that's astonishing. >> it's astonishing. for me, i've been covering the conflict for a long time and did a house to house survey to understand how representative shakira's story was.
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families lost in that area between 10 to 12 members of the family. this is extraordinary levels of suffering and important to note this isn't in a single incident like an air strike. she lost 16 members of her family in 13 or 14 different incidents. you can imagine 13 or 14 different times reliving the trama of losing a loved one. >> and being told we're from america here to save you. you discussed strict limitations on women's rights, women are barred from visiting the market when one woman bought cookies for her children, the taliban beat her, her husband and the shopkeeper. some people have criticized your piece and suggesting poll rural afghan women will prefer stability, quote unquote of taliban rule and these women prefer order over human rights or greater secular freedoms. what do you say to those criticisms? >> these women i spoke to want both. every single woman i talked to wanted to educate her children and go to the market
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being beaten by taliban. to get to the market if your house is bombed or you go to sleep and don't know if you'll wake up in the middle of the night because foreign men are breaking into your home and taking loved ones away, you think how do i survive and get to the next day? that's the fright. it doesn't mean these women supported the taliban. they wanted an end to the war. for them, they saw the u.s. leading meant there would be nobody breaking down the doors and maybe hope to one day they could educate their children. >> we'll have to leave it there. thank you for joining us on the show tonight and thank you for your invaluable reporting inside of afghanistan. three years after jamal khashoggi was murdered, he being remembered and so is the fact the united states is pals with his alleged murderers. that's next. s alleged murderers. that's next. they may have lost an eye, or their hearing,
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prince to putin, to iran's supreme leader and said he's creating an interesting form of dictatorship. how so? >> i see him as an informant. it would be better for him to allow a breathing space for critic, for media to debate. >> jamal khashoggi tragically didn't get that breathing space, that room for debate. instead, this week marked three years since the journalist was brutally murdered on the orders of the saudi crowned prince. vigils were held friday to remember him in washington d.c. the freedom first campaign unveiled a portrait of him made out of newspaper columns while in l.a. a portrait was put on display near the hollywood hills showing mohammed bill salmon with the word murderer.
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thank you for watching. we'll be right back here next sunday at 8:00 p.m. eastern and catch we monday through thursday at 7:00 p.m. eastern on peacock. now it's time to hand it over to amon. before i let you take over, a lot happening this week. before we get to the supreme court which i want to talk to you about. saudi arabia, the campaign for her fiancee jamal khashoggi murdered. what do you make of that? you have jake sullivan meeting with mbs ahead of the an verse marking the assassination. is this politics by the u.s.? >> yeah, there is two ways to look at it. what does justice look like for his family and fiancee and others and what does it look like for american foreign policy and a president who campaigned and came into office said they will put human rights at the
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center of american foreign policy because to your point and let's keep in mind, president biden was one of the most critical voices of saudi arabia and said they would hold saudi officials responsible. here is the interesting thing to keep in mind. at the time when the president was even refusing to speak to mbs or the crowned prince obviously, who the cia we believe ordered the hit, he didn't speak to the crowned prince for a long time and people in the administration says the president only speaks to the king but now you see there is this kind of return to normalcy when you have high ranking officials meeting and engaging in normalizing what has happened with jamal khashoggi and business as usual so to speak with saudi arabia. i understand that the administration has to deal with the reality of what is happening in the region. saudi arabia is again. you have to separate the
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politics of it. they're trying to turn the page domestically and that is, i think, where it becomes difficult for countries seeing the changes but not able to reconcile what happened with the realities on the ground. >> as you mentioned, biden calls saudi arabia and people raised hopes. whether a republican or democrat is in the white house -- >> reality kicks? >> it puts a line to the argument we hear that the united states stands for freedom, stands against dictators, you know, we talk about iran and venezuela and putin and we do that cozying up to the saudis. >> the reality of foreign policy is it's about interest, not about values. you're always going to have a disconnect. when american politics stand up to say to the american public when they're campaigning for votes we'll make the foreign policy reflect our values, then they turn around and do
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something completely different or at least minimize values for the sake of interest. then i think it becomes, you know, the height of hypocrisy. >> yeah, and i'm not sure it's in our interest to be so closely allied with such a reckless crowned prince. some would argue it's not good for the region or us but let's talk domestic politics. i know you'll be big in this story -- >> not much going on. >> the supreme court is in session to hear new cases. brett kavanaugh has covid and amy coney barrett just gave speeches about being bias. why would they think they are bias? i can't think of anything right wing about them? could it be perhaps that justice amy coney barrett was speaking about that standing at the mcconnell center next to mitch mcconnell? >> yeah. >> who actually denied merit car land a vote because he felt
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eight months out from an election that merrick garland would be an or perhaps brett kavanaugh, neil gorsuch said he'll choose justices that are pro-life and so when you think that was part of his litmus test into determining who gets to be the nomination, the ideology was a factor or criteria in the way he picked them. go figure. >> you have six justices who are consecutive on the court. reminder for our viewers, five of them appointed by presidents that lost the popular vote. right? two of them accused of sexual misconduct. one of them sitting in a play tabletly stolen seat. if that's not an argument for supreme court reform, i don't know what is. >> it's incredible. we talk about this all the time. we have been bringing this point up at what point do you wonder whether this country is a fully functioning democracy between the electoral votes and college
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and the number of american constituents represented by democratic states and senators and republicans and whether there is paody there and the number of supreme court justices reported by presidents who did not have the mandate from the people to actually make those choices, i think it's a valid question at some point you have to wonder what exactly is happening in this country. you have to try to answer those questions throughout the panels. you've given me a lot to chew on. very fascinating interview there with aoc, as always. great to see you, take care. >> you, too. good evening. welcome to ayman. it's gearing up to be a busy week. are progressives willing to accept a watered down reconciliation bill and is the end fighting just getting started? i'll discuss with senator tina smith and plus, new whistle blower accusations have facebook scrambling. i'll talk to attorney andrew
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about the bombshell allegations being made by his client tonight and ozzie media is shutting down less than a week after a "new york times" report uncovered a string of lies and misrepresentations surrounding the company. tonight, i'm talking to ben smith, "the times" reporter that broke that story. let's get started. all right. stalemate sunday, that's where washington is tonight as divisions within the democratic ranks keep two bills that are critical to president joe biden's agenda from getting to his desk. to be fair, it's not exactly the entire democratic caucus that's in fighting. it's actually two senators. two out of 50 that are holding it up. now progressives remain steadfast in that the bipartisan
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infra s infrastructure bill be in the house until after the passage of the social spending, apparently, there are trust issues between the left and right flanks of the party. you'll remember that price tag , had been around 3.5 trillion dollars over ten years. that's important. ten years. not one. but in a visit to the capital on friday biden reportedly told house democrats to bring that price down, to somewhere between 1.9 and 2.3 trillion dollars, over ten years. senate budget chair burn each sanders who favors a far larger bill than this 3.5 trillion, was actually questioned about that, and meet the press this morning. watch. >> have you accepted the fact that it's not going to be 3.5 trillion? >> chuck, that is not my understanding of what he said. what he said was there's gonna have to be give and take on both sides, i'm not clear that he did
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