the road. there is still optimism it could get done. >> i know you are as terrified as i am. >> political sam stein. thank you for waking up with us. we are nervous, we'll talk more on "morning joe," that show starts right now. facebook and instagram were hit by a massive outage and stopped working for millions of users. facebook was down for a day and that short time, everyone got the vaccines. >> amazing how that happens. [ applause ] i don't know. >> yes, facebook's entire site crashed, oh my god, this is the best present we got in months.

>> facebook employees tried to reboot the system but could not get in the building because their badges didn't work. >> the facebook did not say what may be causing the outage. >> i am no computer expert but my theory is adjust god. >> we'll dig into the facebook fiasco in a moment. why republicans are refusing to pay their own tab. we'll talk about the ongoing threat as teachers are facing from those caught up in the anti-hysteria. someone just stroke gold in california with a winning ticket of $700 million. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it's tuesday, october 5th, that's a big one, joe. >> it really is.

the biggest story of all since 1978, the night bucky had his name in place, he's as bad as king george the iii. there goes him hitting a home run. lemire and i were covered in calvinist dusts. we were so negative. i still remember this moment as every yankees fan. we were in the middle of winning the world series a few years back. she said, i was standing behind a priest as bucky betts' ball

when up. you heard sam stein says we'll lose 19-2. no, you are wrong, it will be 25-3. that's how we are going into this one-game wild card playoff. how about you? >> i can't believe you would open the show with bucky? >> why not go back to root trade and make it official? >> let's be honest of what's going to happen here. we understand and we have said it all along. the yankees is going to win the world series this year. we are happy here. you guys let us in the back door. we'll play a little catch with you tonight. we know how it's going to end. >> this is from the school of we are playing north carolina at&t, we hope they stay on the field. mike barnicle called it a gift

from the baseball god. the yankees, garrett cole's $240 million deal, this is what we paid him for. it's up at fenway and the historic park. we could not ask for anything more. if you win one, the real trouble begins. you got to play tampa and the road gets harder. >> we'll enjoy tonight at 8:00. >> the post is subtle. >> very subtle. >> so we have, we have people presentation. there was a little pause there. t.j. says, he's been doing this for so long. hey, i would like to show you there is a really good cover on the new york post, tabloid magazine, he's talking to my

ears. >> you are talking, thank you, t.j., i saw the first time and you explained what's on page 34. thank you very much. we have equal representation this morning. the yankees and the red sox. jonathan lemire and richard haus, why don't we talk first about the red sox. you go, jonathan. >> i am not quite sure if we'll feel the team tonight. this is the moment where i point out that the red sox have defeated the yankees the last two times, the historic playoffs in 2004 and 2018. which means we are due to lose. this has been a red sox season that has been a fun -- that has been a joy and they overachieve.

this is a fun season. as long as we get to the playoffs, that's enough. this team does not look like a championship team. it would be such a pleasant surprise after last year's despair to end up in the playoffs again. that all changed when we got to play the yankees. the stakes are too high and a lost tonight, inevitable lost tonight. we are basically cast aside and lead to a cold dark. >> barnacle this morning is not on the show, he puts his shutters up for the winter. a cold, long dark summer is coming. i wonder why we bother filling a team against you guys, you are just so great. >> i want to describe you, we look at this season and we feel like we underachieve.

>> exactly. >> you make it into playoffs and you are disappointed. >> you make it into playoffs and it's like we won the lottery. we don't belong there. we can't be on the same field with you guys. we are out there and we are giving all the players which is really cool. alex chorus given all the players a little polaroids so they can go out. this is the closest and they have been doing great players and take a picture of him. we don't belong there. you certainly do. >> and i hear you talk about bucky betts.

get over it. >> it's hard to get over. >> jonathan, we really need to get over it. it hurts so much us losing to the yankees in 2003 hurts. richard, the way we lost to you guys in 2004 was -- wait a second. >> here comes. >> jonathan, i am sorry, we did beat them in 2004. we won a world series then and a world series in 2007. >> oh my god, so annoying - i can't. >> can you check it out, jonathan and we won a world series in 2018. >> i think the yankees, did you win one in 1999 or something? it's been a while. >> i told you my son george is 12-year-old. since he was born, he only knows

of one world series. >> that's really sad. they should do like a musical for young yankees fans. yeah, you guys need it -- maybe we'll give it quickly, willie, we have both of us. can we be honest about this. this is a gift for the yankees and the red sox because we have been absolutely dreadful through parts of this season. we had a great first half and our second half, our bullpen blue up. mcguver could not put this up.

the yankees, i got to say at times, i see gary sanchez behind the plate and i am like why are these guys playing baseball? they're so bad. we both -- these are not great baseball teams that we are used to watching, are they? >> the rays are clearly the best team not only in the division but the american league. i thought the blue jays were the better of the three teams. the yankees played well when they had to near the end of the last week and a half or so. they had injuries and covid and under achieving and suddenly they turned it on here to sneak in. i will point out the reasons the game's at fenway because the red sox beat the yankees head to head this season. they have been the better team. we got to send garrett cole to the mound to fenway. it's a little bit of a slog this season but here we are with a

chance. >> here we are and jonathan lemire, yes, we beaten the yankees, the series 10-9. we were up 8-0. this week and last week by the yankees, we did have a couple of extraordinary players this year. let's just talk about that quickly. he's getting in line as the next big poppy, it's unbelievable what that guy has been doing. >> poppy jr.'s nickname is starting to take off. he sort of looks like him. he's an act for being so clutch. the red sox losing 2-3 for the orioles. they had to come back from a 5-1 deficit on sunday to win and avoid having a playing game yesterday which we would have had no chance of winning considering how the blue jays hitting a-bat.

just to rebut willie's point indeed. yes, the red sox won 10-9, we lost sixth straight to the yankees including at fenway. i would not say we are coming into this one with a lot of momentum. tell aaron judge to cue up "new york, new york." >> the list goes on and on. the whole season starts new tonight. we are very excited this morning. jonathan, we are very excited. >> before we start the news, it happened again. >> oh my god. >> it happened again, willie. we have been working in the lab, what have you been working on? the study of complex systems. we thought the nobel prize of

physics is ours. our stuff gets stolen again. >> we have been blackballed clearly by the nobel committee. somebody on that panel does not want us to win. >> it's time to stop talking. >> you don't appreciate it. you are antiscience. >> i have a problem? >> okay. >> let me explain something to you before we get to facebook, richard haus. do i know why you are beating records at 13 minutes and talking about nothing because i would not let joe go to boston tonight. >> okay, i am going to get to the headlines now, that was

fantastic. so many users are back scrolling to their feeds after facebook experienced global outages for over six hours and that included since gram and whatsapp. a whistle blower came forward claiming the company prioritizes profits over safety. halie jackson has more. >> reporter: massive and mysterious, a global outage taking down facebook around the world for hours. along with instagram and whatsapp which facebook owns. a top executive taking to twitter for sincere apologies. one facebook employee telling nbc news everyone is just sort of standing around with the outage affecting everything. >> this is a misconfiguration, some sort of technical glitch

that's unheard of it. the scope of it is utterly remarkable. facebook have not said how many people affected. its platforms have billions of users worldwide. facebook now managing this problem and a separate pr crisis after a whistleblower revealed herself to level this explosive allegation in "60-minute." francis haugen says facebook picks priorities over safety. >> facebook rolls back some emergency measures after 2011 but kept some in place.

>> facebook she says values profits over safety. is she right? >> that's contrary to my experience. it's contrary to the facts. since 2016 we spent $13 billion on safety security. we have 40,000 people working on security. >> reporter: haugen will testify against a senate hearing. >> there is so many different laws need to be passed. regulators have sat on their hands and have done nothing. >> let's bring in our media reporter sarah fisher. it's hard to conceive the most powerful woman and tech company of the world going dark for a day and not having systems to back them up and get them backup online. what in the world happened? any ideas? >> totally unprecedented, joe. things like this don't happen. they wanted to make a change in

their back end system. when they did that, the change caused miscommunications all over the world. this is something that impacted everyone around the world. facebook was finally able to get things backup and running around 6:00 p.m. eastern time last night. joe, if this continues to happen, facebook has a huge problem on their hands. there are millions of businesses around the world rely on facebook everyone and users rely on it to talk to loved ones and friends. >> what's your sense of how concerned facebook is. it has not had face the music. many of the senators have been confused of what facebook is and what it does and what congress ought to be doing about it. what does it look right now as

this chorus have grown and we heard so much inside of how dangerous it's and to kids and many people around the world. >> they are definitely freaked out. they sent around the pr e-mail ahead of the whistleblower appearing on "60 minutes," they're clearly trying to get ahead of it. i do think they're going into today's hearing specifically on child safety with a little less worry. that's because the whistleblower came forward. they know who she is. she gave multiple interviews yesterday. they kind of have a sense what she's going review. the next question for facebook is this, if somebody down loading tens of thousands of documents underneath their nose, what else is out there and that would make me nervous. >> reporter from axios, sarah fisher, thank you very much for coming in this morning.

let's bring our reporter from the observer. if you have not seen her "ted talk," take a look at. carol, let's talk about what's at hand and the whistleblower's testimony we expect for see today. what stands out for you? you have done such a deep dive into this issue in terms of the big danger that facebook poses not just to united states and young people but to the world. >> i think, she says some very bold and dark things. i think one of the things that leaks out is what she says about transparency. basically she says there is no transparency. she says nobody knows what is going on inside this black box company.

apart from facebook's leadership. she says the thing we do know is facebook's leadership misled us and misled congress and investors and misled users. i think there is some very, very serious trouble coming for facebook down the line. we know that she has filed eight complaints. that accusation of misleading investors and we know that's really, really serious and executives and board members can go to jail for that. so the stakes are incredibly high, i think. >> carol, we heard testimonies that they changed their algorithms back after the election to allow hate speech to drive the algorithms and drive more people to the site and drive more people toll ads and

they did it deliberately and that led to january 6th. i think you have known all alone of what we all know that instagram leads to depression and anxiety and suicidal ideation among a lot of girls. they know that. we are going to double down within this and young girls and more vulnerable girls and just wondering you have been covering this and following this for so long. do you feel there may be a sense of reckoning maybe? that justice may be served on mark zuckerberg and the rest of the facebook world for what they have done to this country and the world? >> i mean on this program, you

have done so much to cover the issue. their academics and they're journalists and you have been sent -- it has been water off the dust. you can never say never. i think these issues with the scc are very serious. i do think we could be witnessing something of the beginning of the end. facebook is facing so much trouble right now. they are multiple lawsuits, multiple legal actions. there is the antitrust action by the ftc. there is some very interesting lawsuit which has just being filed which is alleging that facebook covered up after the cambridge analytical scandal and alleging that facebook over paid by $4.9 billion paid to the ftc.

it's alleging that just top save mark zuckerberg's skin. that moment when the executives have been protected from the devastating consequences that we know facebook has perpetuated across the world. i do think there is maybe and i hate to say and i don't want to jinx it. >> what would good smart regulations look like to you from this united states congress that we are hearing the testimony today? as i said before, they had mark zuckerberg before them and they know a lot of this company. what could the government do about a problem like facebook? >> i mean it's just multiple different actions which are

required. this is critical infrastructure. without it, the world does not function and there is no over site of it. we have no idea what's going on inside its algorithms. this can't continue. you have been shattering about these dangers for so long. what francis haugen can do today is she really humanizes this. she's able to explain it simply and clearly from somebody who's inside the company and she understands how facebook covers up and lies and misleads regulators and users and investors. that's incredibly powerful. i think it's up to congress, congress needs to come up with

these solutions. they are multiples. it's antitrust, and it's overhaul. there are multiple different things that needs to be done. so was regulating big tobacco. i mean america manage ease things. you can do this. it's a matter of will. >> richard haus, carol, so skillfully lays out the spread of this disinformation in her "ted talk," it has been rapid fire over the past four years with people pushing this information through facebook, delusion and just crazy conspiracy theories and i saw it firsthand when i was up in new england in the country, i met a nice couple who were telling me

the most unbelievable conspiracy theory. where did you get this? facebook. where did you get all your news? facebook. it's becoming a distortion to the way information flows into our society with no checks and balances. do you think this, first of all, the extent of the damage have been fully seen? do you think this will be the tipping point? >> too soon to predict a tipping point and it's corrosive to our democracy. >> absolutely. >> not just our democracy but democracy everywhere in the world. it's dangerous to people's health. tobacco comparison is becoming more common now. you can't stop people from going there. the question is can you improve things or provide alternatives so facebook operates in a competitive environment. can you begin to hold companies like facebook responsible for content. they're hiding behind the law

and that's what the law is inadequate. you got to create a situation where they are not neutral. they got to exercise judgment. they don't do it where they should in the public health space. i think it's completely skewed and that's where congress i would argue should focus. >> the observer, carol, thank you so much. check out her "ted talk." >> a programming note for you. facebook's global head of safety. we'll join stephanie ruhle at 9:00 a.m., right after "morning joe," willie. we'll be watching that one closely. chuck schumer has scheduled a vote tomorrow on raising the debt ceiling. republicans have blocked democrats from taking action. nbc news' correspondent, kelly

o'donell. >> reporter: president biden warning calamity can strike in two weeks, blaming republicans who refused to help democrats to pass the debt limit increase. >> they need to stop playing russian roulette. >> reporter: mitch mcconnell says democrats must act alone. >> the unified democratic government is having trouble governing. >> reporter: the president is still struggling with his mull think billion dollars plan. >> look, i need 50 votes in the senate.

i have 48. >> reporter: kirsten sinema who was followed by progressive activists from a classroom where she teaches into a restroom where they continue to follow her even if she went into the bathroom stall. sinema responded, protesters violated school's security and students' privacy writing this is "wholly inappropriate." >> it happens to everybody. >> kelly o'donell reporting there. joining us now, leanne caldwell. it appears chuck schumer is calling for another vote to shame republicans and not vote to raise the debt ceiling paying for their own bills. mitch mcconnell says there is no way we are going along with this. >> good morning, willie, we are

seeing no indication that there is going to be ten republicans that are going to break with leader mcconnell and their party and health democrats get past this procedural vote on the debt limit. it's really interesting. it has also been increased in the past on a bipartisan bases as well. the minority party this time the republicans have blocking, they're essentially filibustering the democrats' able to lift the debt limit. that's what's infuriating democrats. they're saying you don't have to vote for. get out of the way and let us pass this procedural vote so we can lift it on our own. this is becoming a political

gaminship. >> they believe democrats will be totally blamed because they control both chambers of congress and the white house. that's what voters think. i will say there is a lot of anger among democrats because they think this is just another erosion of the institution, the facts that republicans are going to put the country on the brink with such a serious issues for political point. >> janet yellen says it will be catastrophic if we push past this. raising the debt ceiling have been a matter of routine for both parties. the president is going to be in michigan, pushing for a better bill, the big infrastructure package that's $1.2 trillion. now we are looking at 1.5 or 2.5 on the reconciliation bill. where does that stand?

we almost had it up to a vote last week. what does it look like right now? >> and sources on that call says the president told them that they're not going to be able to get back their $1.3 trillion. >> now what i think is most interesting from that call is i am told by my sources that the progressives on that call were on board, saying they would support the president with whatever numbers he was able toll get and whatever number he wants. now, that is significant because the democrats have been pushing for $3.5 trillion. they think that's already a compromise. but they are not going to be the roadblock here. they're going to get out of the president's way and ensures that

this package gets done. one of the big things they have to decide is what makes into the bill? not everything is going to get there. we know those negotiations are ongoing. white house officials met with pelosi and schumer last night and that's what they are trying to figure out. schumer wants an agreement by the end of the week. that seems like a tall order. >> leanne caldwell. thank you so much. joe, what's the way through here if you are chuck schumer or speaker pelosi, we can start on the debt ceiling getting no help from republicans and these two massive pieces of legislations where nancy pelosi and chuck schumer have to bring it together. >> these democratic coalitions. >> the reconciliation bill, sounds like we are starting to

see the formation of it. it's going to end up 1.75 or 2.5 something. boy, i will tell you what. we have gone from 1.5 to $6 trillion. it's starting to getting into the sweet spot where they can negotiate. maybe you push it out for a few more years and you get up to the $2 trillion numbers for progressives and everybody can be happy. on the debt ceiling, mitch mcconnell were told, leanne was just saying that democrats fear that republicans feel no shame. well, i would say if i were chuck schumer, i am not. if i were in this position, where a party is at a critical stance and always preaching the importance of passing a debt limit. not only they will vote to increase the debt ceiling, they won't vote on a rule that would

allow you to pass the debt limit. i would just say if they can't feel the shame, make them feel the pain. i have said it before. i will say it again. until mitch mcconnell understands that the democrats are going to take this vote everyday and they're going to have 50 votes everyday to pass the debt ceiling and raise the debt ceiling. they're going to keep doing that while the markets crashed and they're going to keep voting and having republicans obstructing this while the economy crashes. here is the thing. republicans are being too clever by half. if democrats are voting everyday and none of republicans are and republicans won't let them cast the vote on it? it falls on republicans.

the democrats must have the will. they got to do something they are not used to doing. they got to stare down mitch. does romney want the economy to crash? does ben sass want the economy to crash? does ron johnson want the economy to crash? maybe ron wants their stocks to crash. may he wants retirement plans to crash. >> democrats can only do what they can do. they can cast every one of their votes to raise a debt ceiling and they need to sit right there and keep doing it. if the economy goes up in smoke, it's not their fault. they're acting in good faith. this is all the republicans. >> joe. >> i would say make them come to

them. >> a couple of things i want to talk about senator sinema. i think we have a different point of view about the debt ceiling here with joe. >> we are not going to disagree the second time this morning. >> what republicans are doing is disgraceful. i don't think at the end of the day you can get people to understand increasing the debt ceiling is not increasing the debt. it looks like it's associated with spending. you do not want your presidency to be defined by this. i actually think you got to blink. you want to get on your agenda domestically and foreign. i would say i don't think your strategy is going to work. i don't think you will convince the american people that it's republicans' recklessness that's

pushing us over the edge. for democrats, take your medicine and move on. >> get on with it. >> you can make that call and you can call mitch mcconnell and beg him. you can call romney and ben sass and you can call republicans who have been seen as more responsible and asking you do you really want to wreck the economy? i think it's very good for you. i think you should feel that way. that's a responsible way to feel. the public are being responsible. this is not a game and not blink. when they get to that point, then republicans are going to be forced to actually not be nihilists which is what they are. you and i will disagree here. >> all republicans will pay a

price. i don't think it works that way. you have a background in politics, i don't. >> you are right, moderate republicans should step up to do something but they're not. i just worry that we'll be defined by this. that's not what you want if you are joe biden. gout bigger fish to fly. you want to move on the positives. >> it depends on whether the democrats know how to message this. bill clinton during the government shutdown would veto spending bills. then he would blame republicans and one time he vetoed a spending bill, well, it was enough money but i needed to make a point. democrats have to learn how to play this game. they don't know how to play it. they got to figure out how to play it. >> too nice. >> if you got every single

member of your party in your senate voting to raise the debt ceiling and you don't have a singling republican voting to raise the debt ceiling. those same republicans who always raised in the past won't even vote to let you take a vote on raising the debt ceiling? if you can't show that's all on mitch mcconnell's republican party, you don't deserve a voting card. you are not smart enough to be there. >> can i just ask you about the situation we saw with senator sinema where she's getting followed everywhere. >> staff took pictures of this, i am guessing it's bathrooms? >> you have been in politics and followed in weird places. >> i seen pictures in the past of mitch mcconnell. people going into the restaurant where mcconnell was and

screaming a him while he was trying eat. i see pictures of lindsey graham being chased around trumpers and being yelled at. and i see this happening. i have seen other people being harassed. i know and i think a candidate from mayor boston, his wife was yelled at and video tape going up and down at super market at grocery stores up there. it's just, if we want the best and the brightest people to be in american politics, this is not what we do. we need to show for civility for the people who really drive us crazy or whom we disagree. public service is a noble calling and we can encourage the best among us to serve by showing civility to those members of congress.

it's counter productive and when i say counter productive, i don't just mean on a global scale. i am just telling you and i never knew a member of congress that i serve with that get chased or yelled at or screamed at. when they went back to their office, you know i see the light of things. now i am going to vote. no, i will tell you. if i were chased around and people were screaming and yelling at me and being abusive of my staff. oh. it separated us even more. have a polite conversation. they represent you. have a polite conversation with them and screaming and yelling and trying to shame them is not going to work. it scares off other people and make other people go, that's a business i am never getting into. >> they're not making her look

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i was born in england, in same region that george's ancestors came from. i can say with confidence this country has offered me opportunities. i grew up poor. in england, in the 1970s, this

would impeded my advancement. this background has never set me back to america. white house adviser and top russia aide dr. fiona hill testifying before the house intelligence committee. she recounts her personal story in her new book entitled "there is nothing for you here." finding opportunities for the 21st century. >> the former senior director for europe and russia, joins us now. dr. fiona and richard was your boss. >> my father mentored you on one of your books but your book about siberia, what was his advice? >> don't end up in siberia. >> i can hear my dad saying that, can you joe? >> yeah, i was afraid she was

going to say when he gave her advice on siberia, you would say what advice? kill them all. i am glad this is lighter. >> just a tiny bit. >> he does have a good sense of human more. humor. >> she works for you and now she's quite the center of the storm over the past four years. >> the way we met, i did the best russia expert in the united states, we looked at everybody, fiona ended up getting a job. >> i was riveted by your testimony. it was incredible. >> i want to talk about the administration you most recently work for, the trump administration. the question being when i look at their policy, there seems to be a difference of what president trump was advocating and the administration policy, the biden administration and the trump administration don't seem

that far apart where as mr. trump seems quite apart from the administration. am i getting something wrong here? >> but, you know as you well know and everybody knows, there is a lot of continuity. from one administration to the next, you see this same of partners. on trump, his fixation is putin. what he saw in putin of many qualities he wanted for himself. >> it's interesting about that. about donald trump's relationship with vladimir putin and congress continally pushed him towards a hard line. it's ironic right now that ted cruz is causing chaos in the state department and stopping government from functioning effectively. he's doing it because joe biden

lifted sanctions that would have stopped a pipeline that is vladimir putin's interests. >> the fixation on that pipeline was more on germany. one of our america's closest allies. the pipeline going from russia to germany bringing natural gas. >> i wonder your thoughts on biden's moves on that briefly. germany has been such a good allies in the united states especially west germany from the cold war. i am wondering do you think the biden administration was trying to do a make-good after four years of frosty relations between washington and berlin, tried to take those sanctions off as a measure of good faith in this country towards merkel

and germany? >> i think certainly strong elements and recognizing, by the time it's pretty much finished and delayed of european countries finding excuses to hold it up. each one of these pipelines being built and contemporary pipelines show that we have limited impacts on these kinds of decisions. >> let me ask you one final question of the pipeline. obviously it's having an impact on us being able to get people into the state department, do you think the biden administration made a mistake? should they kept sanctions on the pipeline? >> again, this is part of a

problem that we have in managing these and there is always collateral damage. we have to do everything in court and the nation. it's a difficult thing to manage. it's a destruction, the whole pipeline right now. we do need to have as many people in place as we possibly can to actually manage what's a difficult set of foreign relations at this period. >> you know there are so many of us and i will include myself that are angle-fided. we love britain and everything about it. it's interesting when i romanticize britt. roger tells me as much as he loves growing up from britain that he says still after all these years every time his plane

lands at jfk. he says i feel a sense of energy and possibility that anything is possible in this country. i still believe the roads are paved with gold here. he says he feels so blessed every time he touches down the united states. can you explain your experiences and the opportunities you feel here in america. >> sense of opportunity. it was a beacon of everything, popular culture and kind of a teenager going off in college. everything defined by america and you know if you think from the european experience since world war i when america came in and helped turn back the tide and world war i again and the

second time and world war ii and someone like myself coming in from a remote part of north of england where everyone had lost their johns. the idea of coming to the united states and finding a job, my first big jobs, that was an incredible opportunity that i would not find at home. >> dr. hill, it's willie geist, it's great to have you on the show this morning. i am fascinated by your job as an nbc news stringer in 1988. >> i am making coffee for beirut drivers. >> you did it all. i am interested in your thoughts as someone on the inside who knows better than anybody about this question that hovers over the trump administration for four years which was what did

viewpoint have on donald trump that made him so deferential and made him never want to cross him publicly or privately and to have donald trump so enthralled with vladimir putin. you said there is no teeth or not a real estate deal but his ego, was there anything putin had on donald trump? >> of course we all know that president trump wanted him as a businessman and still does to build a trump tower in moscow and spent a lot of time focusing on that issue. business person or politician or any prominence to risk. the biggest thing was the ability to manipulate. what vladimir putin likes to do is find out what he can burst. what's what he hone into on the

case of president trump. >> we are looking at the video as you speak from helsinki of president trump and putin standing together. >> the world is watching right now, will you criticize vladimir putin for interfeing in the 2016 election, he infamously declined to do that. what was your reaction? >> i was sitting right in front. and for me, of course this was just a night mare and everyone else watching it as well. >> from the perspective of myself and none of us who are working and see at the time. we knew president trump do not want to admit the russians played any kinds of role in the election. . he was an illegitimate president. he didn't want to give any credence in that kind of idea

and he didn't want to challenge putin. putin is the strong mind. it's the person he wants to be most like and he wanted putin to like him. . >> the one question, am i going to like him? >> you mentioned that in your challenge putin. does vladimir putin rule as long as he wants to? he's so consolidated power and wealth and those of his friends, what do russia requested of vladimir putin? does he change it or becoming more open? >> what do you look at this country from decades. what do you think? >> it's russia for the foreseeable future. putin's stashing money away and all that cronies.

we have a system that's in place right now. that'll continue while vladimir putin is in place. by which time he'll go into his 80s. he'll be the longest serving of russian leader of any kind. >> you can't predict anything. he could the rest of us die tomorrow. that throws everything into a massive theater. it's not like he's paved away. it becomes uncertain and rather dangerous times. >> his legacy is not clear? >> it's not clear. the fact he's got navalny in jail, the opposition leader and young generation figure, shows that he's worried of the consequences and what happened to him. >> you described in your book russia's cautionary tale for the u.s. you write in part this. the example of moderate russia which i have spent most of my

career closely studying and offers a cautionary tale for the united states at this juncture. russia is america's ghost of christmas futures and things to come if we can't adjust force and heal our political polarization. vladimir putin was the first president in the 1st century, he came with the president at the end of 1999, promising to make russia a great power again. blazing restoration is political trail. >> putin says a personal sized style of leadership. >> putin rolls back, russia democratic games to change themselves in the kremlin. under the guys of putin

strengthening, russia slowly succumbed to authoritarian. you have said so much in that small piece that i just wrote. it's so important, there is a facebook connection but there is also and i feel a connection to events like january 6th. and to other events that we have seen over the past four to five years that have gone somewhat unchecked in sort of the minds and the souls of this country. >> it's right. >> for anybody is casual observers. the parallels are striking. by the end of the 1990s because

of all the polarization and social economic collapse. people are looking for swn to fix things. they don't want the establishment or the institutions or representatives in between. >> they make sheer connection directly to people. they can accrue an enormous amounts of power and we saw all of that unfolding here. >> joe, this conversation is so important. a lot of people think now that joe biden is president, we are not in this problem anymore. >> well, the challenge continues on so many fronts. dr. hill, i want to go back to

vladimir putin. we as a country obsessed over vladimir putin so much, we forget what russia was like. there were cultural chaos and even chaos in the military ranking 91 from the soviet union failed to 2000s. there are times i have said on the show, yes, i am worried about vladimir putin. i am more worried about it right now. what happens the day after he leaves office. there is no structure but there remains an awful a lot of nuclear weapons there. >> i can't agree with you. >> if he had not invaded ukraine -- we may have a long conversation. he did turn russia around.

there are many russians who still votes for him. he wants to stay in power. this is the problem we are dealing with right now. strong men are very attractive and they are usually strong men. the strongest woman of all left the scene, angela merkel. people like putin sets the bar. this is the way i fix the country. i kind of take control of everything and i help ben staying in power. >>. >> willie, throughout the '90s, we had one hearing after another about the dangerous newspaper weapons getting into the wrong hands because there was not a

structure. there were chaos and anarchy throughout the rank. that's one thing and one less thing for us to stop worrying about after putin came into power. i am not saying this, i am saying though the problem we had before putin we could have after putin because he's main chair, he had no obvious successors. >> his he here to stay or his successors? >> i am so interested of what you wrote in the book, you fear a capable populous. what do you see as being important to this country and to

know so that when the next populist president comes on taking on the lessons of donald trump and improving on them. what do we need fix at the heart of our country to ache make sure you don't get it from our government. >> we have to somehow get across to members of congress, particularly for the republican party. >> it's not to an individual. they're always to the constitutions and the people who elected them. >> this is the fundamental first premise of our democracy. it's we the people, and not i am going to serve the president. this is what we have to exercise the presidency. we are in the, if vladimir putin

is professionally proficient and skilled autocrat and authoritarian leader. >> he was not runable in the same way as president trump did does. >> he was foundsed easy by -- >> finally, dr. hill, i often wonder what my dad would be thinking right now. it's hard not to because, out know, i mind is so midst at a time like this. in terms of not just russia and what's happening the past four years. can you talk about how hard it's to build geos and how quickly than can break down and also how technology ends tomorrow.

facebook and different entities have impacted the overall spablt that usually democracies are trying to create. >> they are being extremely dangerous. we have been talking about this the most of the morning. it seems like facebook knew this himself and it's not just wireless and countries. vladimir putin security services, how people set themselves up. and feeling discourse. >> and this is exactly the problem of democracy. honestly, i think there should be following -- >> we have to play it it to

clean it up. >> that's the kind of mess we have right now. >> it's exploded by everyone. this is a severe weather two falls that people use. >> and to be able to serve this course and under division. we have seen time and time how the russians -- it's not just the russians, of course. it's the thought of being our focus today. >> i am spreading arnds around cold lid relations and then the country as well. the united states may be spying on the chancellor and hacking her phones. all of this has really had a

negative impact on our lives and the ability to get collection. it divides. it houses the capacity to do so. that's what facebook is invented for and it was supposed to bring us together and remembering and now it's moved so far away from that. >> the book is "there is nothing for you here," finding opportunity in the 21st century. dr. fiona hill. thank you very much. thank you so much for corming on and sharing your thoughts with us this morning. >> all right, let's bring in david, we know you know so little about russia, the topic. david, one of the more important books on russia posts, resurrection, i am curious, you have been listening to the

conversation of dr. hill, and before we move on and talk about the festival, i would love to get your thoughts dr. hill says on russia. >> i think one thing to note fiona hill, she saw things ideas. she saw things ideas. she took a gamble. she thought she would be more perspective. and i think she paid a price for the one hand but she's here witnessing us. telling us inside. the chaos of this administration, at the same time the warning that you give us about the authority temptation both within donald trump who may well be back. we'll be talking about this is a long time. the authoritarian temptations

within ourselves. if we look at our calls, not everybody is is -- when i saw the interview given by steve bannon yesterday how he's going to going full maga and trump is going to be back and he's going to run 2024. we doubt these things as our harrod. >> you have been having this conversation and first reaction to donald trump. >> you know he's in fork and comedian and it will be funny. >> here we are at the united states with its voting rights i am -- all kinds of factors leading us. this could never happen here and we could never have.

i hope we lost that illusion so that a trump presidency is longer and possible. >> i think it's. >> we need to be examining it. parts of what makes this week and month so krushl about how the democrats behaves in congress. snoors if they -- >> that's not going to help either. >> let me ask you about vladimir putin. dr. hill was talking about him and i brought up the chaos from what happened christmas day in '91 to 2000s. there was political and economic and social chaos. there was chaos throughout the military and putin when he came in, the one thing he did do is he brought.

a bit more stability, there. when he leaves, he makes sure we do not have an successor. are we lucky after he leaves power or before he game to power? >> things are radically different. >> the soviet union fail in 1991. this was a nation that was not only under economist rules. there is no experience of this vast space of democratic rule of a market economy and so son. what followed 1991, there were some aspects that were really

promising or help can enable at least a semiopen media. there was improvements that we were inching towards elections and so on. >> 1996, they were certainly corrupt. >> the absolute about lens of wall, dominating the development of that country. what putin did when he came in is he replace one or the structure with another. >> 7 or 8 oligarhs. >> and putin had is own guy. putin is the replace of the

chaos of the '90s. certainly in the city greater wealth dependant on oil prices and the energy. well, where john came from we call it the gas station. >> merrick garland ordered leaders to work with to address what he calls a recent vote. disturbing spike nor harassment and sbem discrimination and threats of violence. >> memoir - >> the department will announce a series of measures designed to address the rise in criminal contact directed towards school personnels. the doj plans to follow a

national school board of association request to the administration for spral federal assistance. david, merrick garland kicked off the festival last night. what did you hear? >> even with a great journalist like john mayer is quite kaushl. cautious. on this problem of the tragedy of facebook and information is infecting our country like somebody's business. this is an old problem. we have known about this for quite some time. i remember interviewing barack obama the last day of his terms,

he was fascinated and troubled by and worried by, the way nonsense mediums and a fake news evacuate in the balkin. >> we are taking our as? affecting our progress and election, 2016. the great can see of facebook is facebook goes like this. we are not a newspaper. we are not a website. we are just a kind of place where you can exchange information, a public square. therefore, we are immune to that but that is balogney. these tech giants have had an

incredible effect on america's society. terrible effect. this can't continue. you think, i am a new yorker, and i look at real magazines and so son. i have relatives who are not getting good information about covid or who's refusing to get an injection, it's very scary. it's all over the place and world. facebook pretends it has minimal responsibility. this can't go on. >> good morning, david, it's willie, it's great to see you. on one day you can have merrick

alexander. >> these things are really fun. >> yeah, i know it's. >> i want to dig in deeper on what you are talking about which is the last 18 months of exposed such division in our country when you combine vaccine hesitancies and theories and now yelling at nurses and doctors when they see them out in public because some people believe they are part of a conspiracy. put it together with the election conspiracy theory is flamed by the horror president. how do we put this jeannie back in the bottle. >> we can't do anything before we agree on some things otherwise, we'll be opening ourselves to another leader who can see everything that's out there of information that's been exposed. where are we in our eyes and what's the way forward? i know we only get your big

brain once in a while here. >> i would say this, we should not mistake rotten information with the question of partisanship. i think debating those ideas in the public squares and press on the floors of congress are good. the notion that somehow there is a kinds of bipartisan -- it's both an illusion and not good. it's a bait and it creates that. that should be a fundamental of democracy. what concerns me is that when foundational things like science are put in the hands of wizards and worse. >> when horrendous information

is allowed to run free without asking questions or lawsuits on social media. that's truly worry some. >> i think those are two different things. it's important to distinguish them. >> my concern overall is that our system is eroding and fiona hill makes an excellent point. the proversion is somehow we are immune by this. we are not immune. social media, if it had taught us anything. that's the question. social media is not all bad. >> it's probably, something is rotten in state. big tech here and it needs to be

debated and corrected. the new yorker festival continues all this week. for more information, go to festival.newyorkers.com.david, thank you for coming on. the bill will need 60 votes to overcome the filibuster. here is how the debate plays out yet. >> the bottom line is this chambers must pass legislation to avoid a default. we are not asking republicans to support it when it comes time for a vote. we ask them to get out of the way. just as the majority party did in the early 2000s. it's really that simple. >> the majority needs to stop

sleepwalking. democrats need to tackle the debt ceiling. we gave them a road map and three months notice. i suggest that our colleagues get moving. >> let's be clear. not only are republicans are refusing to do their jobs but threatening to use their power to prevent us from doing our job, saving the economy. republicans say they'll not do their part the. >> they need to stop playing russian roulette with the u.s. economy. >> can you garn that the u.s. will not reach the debt ceiling? >> no, i can't. >> that's up to mitch mcconnell.

>> let's bring in white house supporter, jonathan lemire. >> first reporting from jonathan and analysis from adrian, what's going on here with the debt ceiling? >> something that democrats have really shifted into focus. for weeks now there was a sense that the white house could have addressed this and pushing it forward. i heard from jen psaki yesterday, look, why would she let them off the hooks here? they always make the point. this is not about future spending. we did hear far more aggressive for president biden yesterday.

it seems unlikely that many republicans would actually go for this. >> here is your name and republican lawmakers and senators who didn't back for this. this is their fault. they're trying to play the blame game. >> who's winning on the messaging front and what's your analysis about how this moves forward and how can democrats do better at fighting to win? >> yes, i know, all great questions. first of all, the white house have been really good and jen psaki during the press briefing and had a big charge. she made appoint, the white house is making this point, too. >> this is money that'll be spent during the trump's era. >> this is because their presidents spent so much money under their ten year.

>> it's that went more money and drove us more into that. >> the white house is doing it again. >> i think the white house is going continue to drive home the fact that even though poseidon is the president, this is because of republicans. they refused to do this. >> we'll see what happens. just as jonathan was saying. this is examined in a bipartisan manner. >> willie. >> john, let me ask you about the president's trip. i know you will be joining him today. i hope you certainly touchdown in time for watching the red sox. let's focus on what's important. president biden making a case for package. what is he arcing for? do we know the number comes down

from 6 trillion to 3.5 trillion. >> now looking like 1.5 and 1.2. what's he hoping to get across voters. >> we should be landing at 6:30. the president perhaps want to catch the game tonight so that's a relief. >> as i reported today, they were sensitive and the president have not been out there selling this bill. >> less about what's in there. >> family leave and child care and things that is being sunlighted. >> democratic allies and lawmakers saying look, you need to do more telling people what's in there. they feel like they have been left out of the process. mott raid house democrats. >> the president is going to today in michigan. >> as she has said, she

criticized the president on the show saying he needs to do more. the american people need to hear him as to why this is so important. >> this is the beginning it will be several trips. >> the president tries to use the bully puppet and while the same time his aides are meeting with pelosi and consumer to try to get this deal done. >> there is a sense that and it may take a few weeks but it will get done. it's being interrupted. >> stick around, we'll revisit this. still ahead on "morning joe" on the wake of chaotic troop withdrawing from saf stan. >> president biden is working to restore confidence and u.s. leadership among our global allies. >>

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>> yen stotenburg, welcome. >> absolutely. the message of president biden and rebuilding are pretty much welcomed in the europe. we need a strong nato as we face more competitive roles of china and more aggressive restaurants and these are challenges. we need north america to stand strong. that's the message to russia and important to us. >> the withdrawal from afghanistan come up in the meeting? >> yes. >> what did you ask him and say?

>> i think it was a difficult decision whether we made it in april. it was the best decision made but, we had three and all the ministers, they knew the risk of leaving pakistan. the alternative to stay entails for more violence. and suits and casualties and most likely we need to increase the number of troops. we made a decision to get it for our allies. >> they're obviously a recent strain of the united states and france over the deal of the submarine and such. did that come up with the debate and the discussion with the president and if you can take a step back and comparing relationships with the united states under this president as opposed to his predecessor. i was over in brussel a couple of times with president trump

where he acted in a different manner than we are used to. he's urging payments. >> the two. the main message has been north america. >> the message is the same. paying allies. they have paid total defense investment in nato. the good news is nost not what only our allies are doing. he would be an ally help increase defense spending and all of them and more allies needed of 2% of gdp. they added $260 billion extra

for defense's focuses. >> europe and canada is sold, of course. >> i agree with americans of their own fair. >> one more. the idea of sort of real challenge facing all the country in a cyber hack. cyber hackers, what's nato's plan to handle this threat? >> cyber is a little tough. >> it's impossible to imagine any type of conflicts without any -- we need to step up. we are exercising together and helping our alies improving our cyber defenses. >>. >> and i am wondering if you are

watching what's happening around the world with facebook and social media and the impact it had on democracy. >> is there something of the alliance that you worried about thinking discussed or getting engage ld in because to an extent of the alliance is based on the strength of information and facts being valued and disinformation being put away. >> the debate in the united states, three of them are especially free and independent press. nato is there to protect democracies and harm democracies also. >> and their liable information. a what role have we seen? russia have been behind extensive disinformation. we are counting that.

>> the longer i believe, the truth will prevail. >> the best pons for this is free and independent press. and if anything, i think that's what we see now in the social media and they'll highlight strong media platforms and. >> with checks and balances with standards. >> absolutely. >> we tip those values and we are there because we are based on - democracy. >> thank you so much for coming in. it's good to see you. coming up, white house's communications kate beddingfield is joining us here. "morning joe" is back in a moment. here "morningoe j" is back in a moment

democrats are willing to do all the work to stop it. republicans just have to let us do our job. just get out of the way. if you don't want to help save the country, get out of the way so you don't destroy it. >> did the president considered asking democrats to use reconciliation this year. why let mcconnell have any say? >> why let mcconnell off the hook? this is their debt that they chopped off themselves. this is a period of time that we can see this the next few days and allowing democrats to be the aduts in the room.

she's good. >> how do we get republicans engage in the debt limit? how is this going to ends up? it seems like the messaging on both sides, one is trying to trump the other? >> well, you heard. that's appropriate. >> largely donald trump's debt. $8 trillion that donald trump racked up when he was president. you heard president biden said this yesterday. this is a shared responsibility. one of the things republicans are trying to do whether this is about biden's build back agenda. there was debt that's lineup under pre-president, we need to remove the cloud of uncertainty that's hanging over the economy. >> republicans they could together get out of the way. we can take an up or down vote. democrats have said, we'll do

it. you won't do your job, we'll do it but you have to get out of the way. people who are looking at our government and trying to understand, what's happening here? why is republicans advocating for chaos at a time when we are trying to come out of this pandemic. >> you won't take responsibility. we'll do it. you need to get out of the way so we can have an up and down vote, we are in do this. >> there is the plan and infrastructure and how much and progressives trying to bring the party together. the president travels to michigan today. what's his plan? does he have a hard time getting this through? >> we have 99% there. we are debating the details here at the end. what the president is doing today, he's going out and making the case directly to the american people. he's going to michigan. he'll be at the union train

center and talk to blue collar workers and he's going to talk about how these plans making us competitive going forward. that's something you will hear from the president, he's going to talk about how investing in people and making sure that a woman can get back into the work force because she can afford child care. these are good for our competitiveness and the world's stage >> adrian. >> good to see you this morning. >> i am good. >> so question for you, you know i think sort of the alpha in the room among outside organizes that have skin in this game or whatever, paid leave or child care or low prescription costs or climate change. if the bill is going to be cut and does president biden have huge concerns? is there anything you guys are tracking to make sure it stays in the reconciliation bill.

is there a plan for some of these elements that will inevitably get cut to try to move it past forward. >> the president has said he has two red lines here. he'll not raise taxes taxes on anybody making more than 140,000 a year. and he will make both deadlines. these investments are critical to help working families get some breathing room, making our tax codes work more fair so our wealthiest pay their fair share so we can fix our infrastructure. we're in the midst of negotiations. the president is working in great faith. we had a great meeting with the group of progressives yesterday and today with the moderates. we're converging on the solution here and we're doing it with a number of people. >> you said there's too much focus on manchin and sinema.

all recognize the importance to the process but they want to hear their voices too. one is congresswoman lisa socket. she was on the show last week saying she felt like the president wasn't engaged enough to certain lawmakers. too much attention paid to those jurors. she also said she wants the reconciliation to come first. she told the president her message today. what do you think about opinions like hers, and she's not alone, you need to reach out with us too? >> he's reaching out to say wide array of democrats, today, all across the spectrum. and we need to make sure everybody's voice is heard when we emerge on compromise, consensus. this is what the people sent president joe biden to washington to do be democrats and, frankly, republicans if they voted to come along as well

but that's between them and their voters. but president biden is engaged directly. he's making sure we're hearing from inch but he's driving towards his vision. this is his belief we need to level the playing field. we need to make sure working people in this country have breathing room and we're going to work through the details. we're 99% of the way there. and he will make this direct case. >> willie has the next question. >> great to see you this morning. we have the facebook whistle-blower up on capitol hill today. she appeared on "60 minutes" two nights ago, appearing before a committee about the impact of facebook and instagram and those products on children. bigger picture, as you look at some of the challenges you all faced in beating back covid has been so much of the bad information that flows from facebook, prevents people from getting vaccinated, allows the disease to spread. what responsibility does the president think facebook has in where we are in a country right fough? >> he's said many times he believes social media companies, including not just limited to

facebook, but facebook certainly, play an incredibly important role in the sharing of misinformation, and that's a huge problem. it's across the board. obviously what we learned about how much they knew about how damaging their algorithm was particularly to young girls, young women, on top of -- on top of everything that they've done to spread misinformation unchecked on the vaccine, for example, it's incredibly dangerous. he's said they have a responsibility, and he believes that as part of the ecosystem, they need to be -- the self-regulation that we are seeing is not sufficient. so he's looking at different options, and look, they're also one piece of the media ecosystem. i think in addition to social media, obviously there are irresponsible actors in broadcast media, in cable media, in print. this is not a problem that is unique to facebook alone but it is one where facebook plays a critical role and the president believes there needs to be additional checks put on the way

they're sharing this information. >> what does that look like, kate? what should congress do? what does the president recommend now given what we know about facebook, given what we know about the damage it's done to the democracy and as you said to young girls in particular through instagram? what does he believe should be done from the top? >> well, he's following this process on capitol hill closely. obviously, the section 230 reform process. we will see where that process ends up. but we believe they should not spread this damage unchecked. but he continues to negotiate on capitol hill and remains very engaged in that. >> kate, we have "morning joe" himself here now for the next question and he has the most important question yet. are you ready? >> you talked about your response for actors across all platforms, including cable news. mika, of course, puts us at the top of the list for talking about the red sox/yankees game for 13 minutes at the top of the show today, which leads to the most important question you will answer today -- red sox or

yankees? >> so, i'm a braves' fan. i'm a die-hard braves fan. i grew up in atlanta. >> what? no way! >> n.l. champs, this is our year. no red sox, no yankees. all braves. >> wow! >> that is also -- i'm looking at the list of acceptable answers and that is also an acceptable answer for a die born in doreville, georgia, in '63 and grew up loving hank aaron. >> aaron hank, the greatest. >> kate bedingfield, it's great having you with us. >> he's going to inject as much baseball talk into the show because i would not let him go to boston tonight. he's a little -- you know how it goes. kate, thank you so much. coming up -- facebook, instagram, whatsapp, all back online after a global outage that lasted for hours. as we mentioned, that came on

the heels of a separate crisis. more on that whistle-blower who is set to appear in capitol hill today after accusing the company of valuing profits over safety. also ahead democratic senator raphael warnock of georgia will join the table here in washington. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ♪♪ paul loves food. but his diabetes made food a mystery. everything felt like a “no.”

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. facebook and instagram were hit by a massive outage and stopped working for millions of users. facebook was only down for a day, and in that short time, everyone got the vaccine. isn't that amazing? amazing how that happened! i don't know -- yes, facebook's entire site crashed. they were like oh, my god, this is the best press we had in months! facebook employees tried to

reboot the system but couldn't get an adult in because their badges weren't working for access doors. as the panic grew, facebook would not say what might be causing the outage. now, i'm no computer expert but my theory is, adjust god? >> we're going to dig into that facebook fiasco in just a moment. also, the latest on the debt ceiling and why republicans are refusing to pay part of their own cab. it's dine-and-dash congressional style. plus, we'll talk about the ongoing threat teachers -- yes, teachers are facing from those caught up in the anti-science hysteria. and later, someone just struck gold in california with a winning lotto ticket worth $700 million. let's start with the facebook story. social media users are back to scrolling through their feeds after facebook experienced global outages for over six

hours yesterday. that included instagram and whatsapp. the outage adding to the social media giant's troubles after a whistle-blower came forward claiming the company prioritizes profits over safety. nbc news senior washington correspondent hallie jackson has more. >> reporter: massive and mysterious, a global outage taking down facebook around the world for hours, along with instagram and whatsapp, which facebook owns. a top executive taking to twitter to offer a sincere apology, adding, we are experiencing networking issues and teams are working as fast as possible to debug and restore. one facebook employee telling nbc news, everyone is just sort of standing around with the outage affecting pretty much everything. >> but this is a misconfiguration, some sort of technical glitch that is basically unheard of. the scope of it is just utterly remarkable. >> facebook has not said how many people had been affected in

the outage but its platforms all together has billions of users worldwide. facebook scrambling to handle this problem and separate pr crisis, after a whistle-blower levels to reveal this explosive allegation on "60 minutes" -- >> faces over and over has shown it chooses profit over safety. >> taking tens of thousands of documents which she said shows facebook's disregard for safety, to point off settings meant to fight misinformation before the january 6th capitol riot. >> as soon as the election was, they turned them back off or back to the way they were before to choose growth over safety. that was a trail of technology to me. >> and facebook said it emerged some of the measures but kept safety in place. it talked exclusively with bz in. >> facebook, she says, values profits over safety. is that right? >> that is absolutely contrary to my experience.

it is contrary to the facts. 2016 we spent $13 billion on safety and security. we have 40,000 people working on safety and security. >> haugen will testify against facebook in a senate hearing. >> there are so many different laws to be passed. i'm not even blaming facebook. regulators just sat on their hands and have done nothing. >> sat on their hands and done nothing. let's bring in our media reporter for axios, sarah fisher. it's hard to see the most powerful tech company in the world going dark for a day and not having systems to back them up, systems to back systems up, to get them back online. what in the world happened. any ideas? >> wholly unprecedented, joe. things like this just don't happen. apparently they went to make a change to the back-end systems and when they did that, it

causes changes to routers all over the world. facebook was finally able to get things back up and running around 6:30 p.m. eastern last night. but, joe, if this continues to happen, facebook has a hajj -- huge problem on its hands. and millions count on facebook to talk to families and friends. >> we know there will be testimony from frances haugen, who we just heard in the "60 minutes" piece. what is your opinion on how concerned facebook is? mark zuckerberg hasn't really faced the music when he went up there, frankly, many senators confused about what facebook is, what it does and what congress ought to be doing about it. what does it look like from facebook right now as this chorus has grown and we've learned so much from inside about how dangerous what they do really is to kids and to many people around the world? >> overall, they're definitely

freaked out. they sent around the pr email. sunday night ahead of the whistle-blower appearing on "60 minutes," kind of walking through their talking points, clearly trying to get ahead of it. but i think they were going through today's hearing on safety with a little less worry, and that's because the whistle-blower came forward. they know who she is. she gave an interview sunday night, multiple interviews yesterday, so they have a sense what she will reveal. i think the next question for facebook is this, if somebody has been within facebook downloading tens of thousands of documents for months underneath their nose, what else could be out there? what else is left to leak? that would make me nervous if i was facebook. >> report are for axios, sara fisher, thank you so much for coming on the show this morning. let's bring in reporter and feature writer for "the observer" that exposed the scandal surrounding facebook and cambridge analytica in 2018.

if you have not seen her ted talk, about how pervasive these threats are, take a look at that. but, carol, looking at today, what stands out to you? you've done such a deep dive into this issue in terms of the biggest dangers facebook poses not just to the united states and young people but to the world. >> well, i think -- frances released her opening statement yesterday, and she says some very bold and stark things. i think one of the things that actually leaked out is what she says about transparency. basically saying there is no transparency. she said nobody knows what is going on inside this black box company, apart from facebook's leadership. then she said, the thing that we do know is facebook leadership has misled us.

it's misled congress, it's misled investors and it's misled users. i think there's very, very serious trouble coming for facebook down the line. we know she's filed eight sec complaints and that accusation of misleading investors, we know that is really, really serious and executives and board members could potentially even go to jail for that. so this -- these these are incredibly high, i think. >> carol, we heard testimony they changed their algorithms back after the election to allow hate speech to drive the algorithms, drive more people to the site and drive more people to ads and they did it deliberately. of course, that led to january 6th. we led to, of course, what you have known all along, what we've

all known and said all along, parents, that instagram leads to depression and anxiety and suicidal ideations among a lot of teenage girls. they know that. their internal documents show it. yet they were going to double down within instagram for even younger, more vulnerable girls. i am just wondering, you have been covering this and following this for so long, do you think there may be a reckoning finally that justice, that finally, justice may finally be served on mark zuckerberg, sheryl sandberg and the rest of the facebook board for what they've done to this country and the world? >> i think, joe, you on -- on this program have done so much to cover thissish 0. as you say, there are academics, there are critics, there are journalists, whistle-blowers who have been saying exactly this.

and yet it has been water off the duck's back. you can never say never, but i think these issues with the sec are very serious. and i really actually do think that we could be witnessing of the beginning of the end. facebook is facing so much trouble right now. there are multiple lawsuits, multiple legal actions. there's the antitrust action by the ftc. there's a very interesting lawsuit that's just been filed, which is alleging that facebook covered up after the cambridge analytical scandal. it's actually alleging that facebook overpaid by $4.9 billion in fine it paid to the ftc, and it's alleging it did that just to save mark zuckerberg's skin. and that has been what it's all been about. i think that moment when the

executives have been protected from the devastating consequences that we know facebook has perpetuated across the world, i do think there is -- maybe joe, i hate to say it -- i don't want to jinx it -- but maybe there's some sort of reckoning coming. >> all right. "the observer's" carols could waller, thank you so much. once again, check out her ted talk. thank you, carol. a programming note for you ahead of today's whistle-blower testimony, facebook global head of safety will join stephanie ruhle for an exclusive interview at 9:00 a.m. right after "morning joe." still ahead -- the debt ceiling debate and warnings from the white house about the real risk of a government default. what it means for the economy just ahead on "morning joe." ♪♪

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country, get out of the way. >> reporter: republican mitch mcconnell said democrats must act alone. >> this unified democratic government is struggling. >> reporter: the president struggling to con convenience democrats to pass his multi trillion dollar spending plan. progressives refusing to pass it until a much larger climate and social policy bill is ready. >> look, i need 50 vote in the senate. i have 48. >> reporter: one of those moderate senators still not on board, arizona's kyrsten sinema, followed this weekend by progressive activists, where they followed her into a rest room and continued to confront her and record her even as she goes into a bathroom stall. >> we need the solutions. >> reporter: sinema responded those protesters violated school security and students' privacy writing, this is wholly inappropriate. asked about protesters' conduct, the president said --

>> i don't think they're appropriate tactics, but it happens to everybody. >> kelly o'donnell joining us there. and now joining us is nbc correspondent leigh ann caldwell. i guess the republican is introducing another bill to shame republicans to not raise the debt ceiling to pay for their own bills. is the president capable of shame at this point? mitch mcconnell said there's no way we're going along with this. >> good morning, willie. we are seeing no indication there's going to be ten republicans that are going to break with leader mcconnell and their party and help democrats get past this procedural vote on the debt limit. now, it's really interesting and important to note that, of course, the debt limit has been risen in the past with bipartisan support, and it has also been increased in the past on a partisan basis as well. but what's unprecedented is the fact the minority party, this

time the republicans, are blocking -- they're essentially filibustering the democrats' ability to lift the debt limit, and that is what is infour rating democrats. they are saying, you do not have to vote for this, just get out of the way, let us get past this procedural vote so we can lift it on our own. but this has become a political gamemanship. mcconnell knows exactly what he's doing. i was speaking to the head of the nrsc last night, senator scott of florida, who said this is political and said they believe democrats will be fully blamed because they controlled both chambers of congress and the white house, and that's what voters think. but i will say there's a lot of anger among democrats because they think there is just another erosion of the institution, the facts that the republicans are going to put the countries on the brink with such a serious

issue just for political points. >> janet yellen and federal treasury secretary saying it will be catastrophic. we should remind our viewers, raising the debt ceiling has been a matter of routine for both parties for years. meanwhile, pushing for the build back better bill. the big infrastructure package on the one hand $1.2 trillion and now $1.5 trillion, $2.5 trillion on the reconciliation bill. where does that stand? we almost had it up for vote last week and it was pushed to the side. how does it look now? >> the president is still negotiating having his meetings. he met with the progressive caucus last night, about ten minutes of the progressive caucus. and sources on that call said the president told them they're not going to be able to get $3.5 trillion. the range he thinks he can get senators joe manchin and kyrsten sinema is $1.9 trillion to $2.2

trillion. now what i think is most interesting from that call is i'm told by my sources the progressives on that call were on board, saying they would support the president with whatever number he was able to get and whatever number he wants. that is significant because the democrats have been pushing for $3.5 trillion. they think that is already a come compromise, but they're not going to be the roadblock here. they're going to get out of the president's way and ensure the package gets done. now one of the big things they still have to decide is what exactly makes it into this bill? a scaled-back bill from $3.5 trillion to $2 trillion means not everything is going to get there and we know those negotiations are still ongoing. white house officials met with speaker pelosi, leader schumer last night and that is what they're trying to figure out. leader schumer says he wants an agreement by the end of the week. that seems like a very tall order. >> nbc's leigh ann caldwell,

thank you very much. coming up -- how the government is looking to clear up some mixed messaging when it comes to the pandemic. "morning joe" is back in a moment. ♪♪

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. can you guarantee the u.s. will not reach the debt ceiling, that will not happen? >> no, i can't. that's up to mitch mcconnell. >> on the debt ceiling, mitch mcconnell, we're told, leigh ann caldwell was just saying, democrats fear republicans feel no shame. i would just say if i were chuck schumer -- and i'm not, but if i were in this position where a party was taking such a hypocritical stance and had always preached the importance of passing a debt limit, but now not only will they not vote to increase the debt limit, they won't even vote on a rule that would allow you to pass the debt limit. they want to wreck the economy. they want to put it all on democrats in a reconciliation

bill. i would just say if they can't feel the shame, then make them feel the pain. i said it before, i'll say it again, until mitch mcconnell understands that the democrats are going to take this foot every day and they're going to have 50 votes every day to pass the debt ceiling to raise the debt ceiling, and they're going to keep doing that while the markets crash and they're going to keep voting and have the republicans obstructing this while the economy crashes, no, no, no. here's the thing. mitch and the republicans are being too clever by half. if democrats are voting every day, every single one of them to raise the debt ceiling and none of the republicans are and the republicans won't even let them cast a vote on it, this all falls on the republicans. but the democrats have to have the will. they've got to do something they've not used to doing, they've got to be tough. they've got to stare down mitch.

they've got to stare down the republicans. and it's time to start asking, does mitch mcconnell want the economy to crass? does ben sasse want the economy to crash? does the retiring senator from pennsylvania want the economy to crash? does ron johnson want -- maybe ron johnson thinks wisconsin farmers maybe thinks making too much money on their retirement plans so maybe ron wants their stocks to crash. maybe he wants their retirement plans to crash. the democrats can only do what the democrats can do. what the democrats can do is cast every one of their votes to raise the debt ceiling and they need to just sit right there and keep doing that. if the economy goes up in smoke, it's not their fault. they're acting in good faith. this is all on the republicans' backs. >> i think we have a different

point of view ahead. >> we will not agree for the second time this morning. >> oh, my fault. >> i think what the republicans are doing is disgraceful, it is reckless. but i don't think at the end of the day you can get the american people to understand increasing the debt ceiling is not increasing the debt. it looks like it's somehow associated with profit spending. and if you're joe biden, you don't want your presidency defined by this. so you can play the game of chicken a little longer but at some point you have to blink. you want to get on with your agenda, domestic and foreign, and i will say i don't think your strategy will work. i don't think you will convince the american people it's republican recklessness bringing the economy to the brink or pushing it over the edge. i think for the democrats, take your medicine, move on and have a positive presidency. you can take the risk. but for the next couple years you're digging out of this hole.

use reconciliation. get on with it. >> you can make that call and then you can call mitch mcconnell to beg him and start being responsible, and you can can call mitt romney and ben sasse and republicans who have been seen as more responsible and ask do you really want to wreck the economy? all of the democrats are voting to increase the debt ceiling. i think it's very good for you, richard. i think you should feel that way. i think that's the responsible way to feel. republicans aren't being responsible. it's time for them to understand democrats can play the same game, and not blink. when they get to that point, the republicans are going to be forced to actually not be nihilist, which is exactly what they are. you and i will disagree here. >> we have a collective responsibility that we're all republicans and pay a price. i don't think it works that way. you have the background in politics, i don't. you're right, if quote/unquote moderate republicans step up and do the right thing, they're not. i don't think you will get

unanimous consent for a vote, even if the moderates step up. i worry the biden presidency will be defined by this and that's not what you want if you're joe biden. you have bigger fish to fry. this is a negative to avoid. you want to move on to the positives. coming up, democratic senator raphael warnock is standing by. he joins the conversation next on "morning joe." ♪♪

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♪♪ 35 past the hour. amid a drop in covid cases, the cdc sparked confusion with a new warning about holiday gatherings. nbc news correspondent stephanie gosk has the story.

>> reporter: with summer officially over, so may be the summer surge. covid cases are down more than 30% in the last 2 weeks. in some hard-hit southern states like florida and louisiana, the numbers are falling even more dramatically, which is why dr. anthony fauci's hesitation this weekend when asked about holiday gatherings created confusion. >> it's just too soon to tell. we've got to concentrate on continuing to get those numbers down. >> reporter: social media buzz, people accusing dr. fauci of being a real-life grinch. meanwhile the cdc had this holiday guidance on its website, including an image of a virtual thanksgiving. the messaging changed. dr. fauci said his comments were misinterpreted. >> i will be spending christmas with my family. i encourage people, particularly the vaccinated people who are protected, to have a good, normal christmas with your family. >> reporter: and the cdc has removed holiday guidance all together from its website, saying it is working on an

update. >> does the government run the risk of erring so sidep on being conservative, people get alienated from the message? >> yeah, we already run the risk. i think many people and health professionals are confused. i will tell you the majority of situations, almost all of them to a person are incredibly safe if you're vaccinated. >> reporter: it is that that led to the vaccine mandate in schools. >> get your first dose today. you're more than welcome to come back to work. our students need you. our city needs you. >> reporter: no vaccine means no job, one message not open to misinterpretation. >> not at all. we'll have more on the cdc's mixed messaging when its former acting director joins us in just a moment. joe, though, your thoughts. >> i remember what dr. scott

gottlieb said at the beginning of the summer. when covid cases were dropping and people in some states were talking about a mask mandate, and what dr. gottlieb said is when we have opportunities to give the american people positive news about this pandemic, it's important for health care officials to do that. in this case, actually, the cdc really blundered because it's too early to talk about what's going to be happening at thanksgiving or christmas. showing pictures of virtual thanksgivings, especially when you've got over 200 million people vaccinated. actually, it's interesting that dr. fauci got lumped in with the cdc because what dr. fauci said is exactly right. too early to tell. if things keep going in the right direction, we should be able to have a normal thanksgiving and normal christmas. if we have another variant coming in in the next month or so that shocked us as much as the delta variant did, then we will have to reassess. but right now things are looking

positive for thanksgiving, things are looking positive for christmas. as long as you have the vaccinations, and boy, you have the boosters, you should be in really good shape. >> the vaccinations need to keep coming to cut that delta variant, which is highly transmissible and also, quite frankly, if you have a population that's not vaccinated, that delta variant can turn into monster variant. it can be a very bad outcome. but we're working towards getting people vaccinated. it does -- it is happening. dr. richard besser joins us in a few minutes to talk about that. but right now let's go to the political fight to close the gap in health care coverage. democratic senator raphael warnock of georgia joins us now. the senator is out with a new op-ed this morning arguing congress needs to expand health care access for those who need it the most, or we will continue to watch americans die from preventable, treatable conditions. a lot going on on capitol hill. why don't we start right there and tell us more about what

needs to be done. >> good to be here with you. >> great to have you. >> the affordable care act passed in 2010, and all of these years later, we have 12 states in our country that have yet to expand medicaid. one of the features of the affordable care act is we created a means for covering hard-working people who are not poor enough to get conventional medicaid but they can't afford a conventional health care program. and they're in that gap. the supreme court left it up to the states whether to expand, georgia chose not to expand. georgia's one of those states. we have 624,000 georgians in the health care medicaid gap. when we talk about medicaid coverage, we're actually talking about people who are dyeing because they don't have any health care at all. can you imagine social security in 38 states? can you imagine medicare in 38

states? and yet that's the case with medicaid. it's the law of the land. we ought to expand it. people shouldn't have -- shouldn't be unable to access health care because they live in the wrong state. >> joe? >> you know, it's so interesting, senator, what we learned during the debate following the affordable care act, when you had a lot of republican governors talking about slashing medicaid, people started to find out that their mom and dads were living in homes that medicaid helped fund. this idea that somehow has newt gingrich called it medical welfare for the poor, what people found out over the past several years is it's far from that. you have some very, very republican hospital administrators saying, we just can't -- we can't do our job. we can't serve our communities with these medicaid cuts. do you think this is an education process that continues even today but that more people

are getting it that it's not just a program for the "poor"? >> we're really talking about working people. i think that of on gets lost in this kind of moralalizing that you hear around the work ethic and who's worthy and who's not. these are hard-working people, hard-working families. and i think about lori davis, a nurse in georgia. she was a trauma nurse and because she had a chronic health condition, she ended up having to stop serving in that profession, and then later had to pick up various restaurant gigs, eventually lost her health care. ironically, this woman who spent her life caring for others died for lack of access to health care. during my campaign, i spent a lot of time in rural georgia. we had ten hospitals to close in rural georgia in ten years. and those hospitals are closing for a lack of customers who are

covered. we can keep our hospitals open, we can make sure people are covered, and we can create jobs if we would expand medicaid. so that's why i'm very focused on it and something we ought to do. this is our best shot yet. we ought to do it right now. >> willie, i'm so glad you talked about -- the senator talked about rural hospitals in georgia because that is really -- when you -- there always seems to be this divide between red state america and blue state america in the minds of politicians and in the minds of analysts but those medicaid cuts have absolutely devastating impacts on rural hospitals in the reddest of red states. and they're the ones that aren't able to do their job in helping their communities. so many medical providers had to shut down and go out of business when medicaid cuts went across the board several years ago. >> yeah, too many of them have

closed in places where they're now desperately needed, especially across the south in the middle of a pandemic. but they were run out of business effectively without this funding. senator, i'm curious now as we talk about the substance of the bill and what you would like to see in it, how you get this thing across the finish line. you said in the state of georgia, a purple state. you watched, i'm sure, as progressives made the case for $3.5 trillion bill. senators manchin and sinema something smaller, looking at 1.5 to 2 trillion. what do you say to the alternative? you said the alternative is to have nothing, which i'm sure is unacceptable to you. how do you get those two sides, two caucuses effectively of your own party, to push this over the line? >> willie, when i was getting my 2-year-old daughter and 5-year-old son ready for school yesterday as i was coming up to washington, it occurred to me this job of getting two toddlers

out of the house and out to school is almost as hard as getting two infrastructure laws through congress. a lot of temper tantrums and hide-and-seek game plays but eventually you get them out the door. i think these bills will be passed. we have people in the medicaid gap. we have an opportunity to extend the child tax credit, which is literally cutting child poverty in our country in half. we have an opportunity to create clean energy jobs. this is the opportunity. this is our moment, and we ought to seize it. >> i would like to know who's playing hide-and-seek before. i want to hear about that. >> i will say -- i won't make you say joe manchin is a 5-year-old or anything like that. senator, obviously the debate over these two bills right now is among democrats, but they're certainly focused on republicans, in particular senate minority leader

mcconnell. as much as things are compressing but this has to come first, the way most people believe. where does this stand? what can be done if republicans led by mitch mcconnell can't be done, what is the alternative here? >> jonathan, i think people sitting around their kitchen tables right now are scratching their heads. they know if they have bills they already racked up, they have to pay the bills they already created, so that's what this is about. they're trying to confuse and conflate the issue but the american people are smart. they know if they get bills they decide to incur, they ought to pay them. we ought to pay the bills. the last thing this economy needs as we claw our way out of the pandemic is to sends the whole economy into the a tailspin. the truck driver back in georgia can't afford that. the folks who are getting up right now, getting their toddlers out to school, they cannot afford this. politicians need to stop playing games, stop playing games with our economy, stop holding of

georgia as palms, as hostages in a game. 4.4 million americans we can cover right now. we have the resources. we have the ability to do it and i think we have a moral responsibility to get it done. >> should democrats be getting better overall on some of these key issues? one issue that's really important to you, obviously, voting rights. where does that stand? >> i'm going to keep fighting for it. i wouldn't be sitting here if people didn't have access to the ballot. our country has come a long way. when i was born in 1969, georgia's two senators were russell and -- i forgot the other one. segregationists. now i sit in the russell building because of the arc of american history. this is an inflection point in our country. we have to pass voting rights.

whatever else we care about, we get to debate about this because we have a democracy. and i think this is a defining moment. if we don't get voting rights done, regardless of our party, i think history will rightly judge us harshly. so that's why i'm pushing to get our voting rights bills done. we've got to get them both done. i was john lewis' pastor. he literally crossed a bridge, risked his own life to secure the right to vote for everybody. so ironically he was crossing a bridge, that's infrastructure. >> that's a good point. full circle. >> in order to secure the infrastructure of our democracy. what i have been saying to my colleagues, we can do both. we have to do both. we have to secure our infrastructure and secure the infrastructure of our democracy. the moment demands it. >> senator raphael warnock, thank you so much, appreciate it. thank you for preaching vaccine, people getting the vaccine when you go home on the weekends, we appreciate that. joining us now former acting cdc director and now president

and ceo of the robert wood johnson foundation, dr. richard besser. dr. besser, we're going to get to the latest on covid in a moment. but, first, you wanted to weigh in on senator warnock's push to close the medicaid coverage gap. >> you know, mika, we are the only wealthy nation that doesn't guarantee health care as a right. and one of the ways that we can move towards universal health care is by ensuring that all 50 states have expanded medicaid. the affordable care act really created incentives for states to increase the number of lower income people who had access to medicaid. medicaid is the largest health insurer in our nation. but even with federal incentives, 12 states have said no. you can ask those states why, but they said no and that means that 2.2 million people directly have not benefited from that. largely hard-working families,

disproportionately people of color, 60% people of color. we know medicaid expansion leads to better health outcomes, fewer premature death, better economic activity because people have more dollars in their pocket to spend in the local economy. and that's not taking place. so we more dollars in their pockets. we need the federal government to step up and make this happen. it's many ways to do that but it's not getting done. i want to move onto covid and the cdc and the messaging. some say it's a bit mixed as of late. what's your advise for americans? terms of where things stand in terms of covid and the danger it poses to court lives. >> there is a promising sign. the number of cases of covid is

doing down and hospitalizations is going down. the gap of vaccine coverage is close in for some groups. among adults in america, the rate of vaccination for vaccines go, right around 70%. that's terrific. if you really meet people where they are and address some of the challenges in terms of access and some are challenges in terms of trust in government and government institutions that you can see improvements. there are gaps especially urban rural gap. there is a gap by political affiliation. there are big pockets of the country that's still vulnerable. we have to recognize that the virus is going to determine what we can do. i hope that we can all gather with our families and loved ones.

that's so important. we have been so isolated as a nation. i am going to be planning for that. i am going to man for the possibility that the virus. we do not have vaccines for young children, elementary school children but that's still to be determined. we have to see what the advisory committee say. there will still a lot of people who are not on board, we can't go back to pre-pandemic days but hopefully it will be a better winter and thanksgiving and holiday season. >> dr. besser, when you access of how we are doing as a country, there are a percentage of the population is never going to get vaccinated and given fda approval, and senators who told them it's the right thing to do. when you see spikes in places like new england and massachusetts and vermont with high evacuation -- vaccination

rates. what does it tell you? some of the icu in that par of the country filling up again. >> what it says is we can reach a certain model but we won't see transmission. it's not a panic. even in areas of high corid rate, i am encouraged we are seeing vaccine mandates are in place. if you want to work here, you have to be vaccinated. i want the my entire work force to be safe. if you are not vaccinated, you will put somebody in the workplace being at risk. if you want to work here, you have to get vaccinated. we are seeing benefits in that. it's the activities that people want to do. i think we'll continue to see

some movement. >> even places that have in place a lot of controls, we are all still vulnerable and we have to take it seriously. >> former acting director of the cdc. thank you so much for coming back on the show. we'll be back with more on the most important story of the day at least - >> yes. >> i don't approve. as we go to break, here is our producer imagined it was like yesterday for baseball and whatsapp user during that long hour of local outage. hour of local outage

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remember what happened in their community in the 14 century. we remember bucky. >> willie geist to let you know how wrung out red sox fans are tonight. a fan of mine texted and said i am going to the game, should i wear my bow tie. what has a bow tie done for you in the past? >> frank says, the last time i wore was in 2018 and we beat l.a., 8-4. wear the tie. >> what are you wearing tonight,

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