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we have our tech and hill committee all standing by. >> plus, we're live on the ground in mig mish. president biden is live on the road. you're looking live at the microphones where he's set to speak later this hour after speaking for an hour to top democrats. what we know about the latest attempts to unjam the logjam around his agenda, as they warn the nation is close to hitting the debt ceiling. are republicans ready to talk? we'll ask one to find out. i'm hallie jackson in washington, and we start with our breaking news on the facebook whistleblower's testify. you have been watching it today, and now, one of facebook's senior leaders responding. in a one-on-one minutes ago to what one senator called a moment of reckoning for the social media giant. today's testimony from the company's whistleblower playing out how she says facebook chooses growth over safety, even when that means harmful impacts to kids, to families, to democracy, even national security. here's how facebook's vice president of content policy responded in our new interview.

>> what you have here today is a former employee who didn't work on these issues, and was just at the company a couple years, mischaracterizing some documents she stole on some issues that frankly are really important and people want to talk about that. they should want to talk about that. but i want to make sure they're getting accurate information about what we're actually doing to make this a safe place. >> more of that interview in this show and tonight on nbc nightly news in our full report with those comments from her coming after hours of statements like the ones we're about to show you from francis houghen. >> it's just like cigarettes. teenagers don't have good self-regulation. they say explicitly, i feel bad when i use instagram and yet i can't stop. we need to protect the kids. >> nbc's jake ward is in menlo park, california. ali vitali is on capitol hill,

and also the "wall street journal's" reporter for tech. good afternoon to all of you. the newest part of the story that developed is the facebook response that occurred over really the last hour, 90 minutes. my interview was right before we were coming on the air for this show here. what i thought was interesting was the way facebook seems to be now going after the messenger rather than the message, right? you heard some of it in what monika bickert had to say, sayen houghen didn't work in some of the areas she talked about. she acknowledged she didn't work in some of the areas she talked about. facebook is says, listen, the way she characterized our company is a mischaracter zashz. they're saying we're open to regulations too. >> well, that's absolutely right. this new facebook media strategy seems to be about, as you say, attacking the messenger. yesterday, they were not talking about her by name. that was true over the weekend as well. now they are in fact saying that

she had a very minimal role at facebook. she was there for less than two years. she did not report to c-suite executives. she did not have direct reports, and she did not work in the subject areas she's now discussing in front of the public. but as she said several times during her testimony, yes, i did not work in these areas, but i had access to the documents and the research inside our company because i was part of facebook. being inside these walls gave her access, and she has now carried those documents outside of those walls. she said some really extraordinary things, especially about kids. i want to play you a little bit of sound that she laid down around that. she talked at one point, she asked this rhetorical question which was, if instagram has a positive effect on teenagers, why are we not seeing a golden age of teenage mental health? and one of the reasons she said was algorithms. have a listen to what she said. >> algorithms are very smart in the sense that they latch on to things that people want to continue to engage with. and unfortunately in the case of

teen girls and things like self-harm, they dwp these feedback cycles where children are using instagram to self-soothe, but then are exposed to more and more content that makes them hate themselves. >> now, instagram, as you know, shelved these ideas it had around an under-13 version of itself. well, she says she thinks that idea will be back because she says facebook requires for its business model to teach children habits around its products before they develop self-control. >> the other piece and what you alluded to, is the idea, okay, so now what? what happens next? this is something i asked that facebook executive about right as we were coming on the air. i want to play more of her answer there. listen. >> we think an industry-wide standard set by the government could be really valuable. for us and for the public.

there should be minimum standards. there should be best practices, minimum standards, and they should be part of an ongoing conversation with the government, regulators, and with the tech industry. we're very happy to be a part of that. >> i don't want to get too nerdy on this, but i'm going to get a little nerdy on this. you know this so well. you are a member of the team that had really incredible reporting that started so much about this, what facebook is doing, the internal documents that houghen walked out of the company with when she left in may. jake and i were talking about this off camera earlier today, because as jake well knowns, there's this question of, okay, you want -- facebook wants regulations. what kind of teeth would have that if regulators are not actually able to access the actual algorithms, that proprietary information that facebook has at the core of its business? this is something that monika bickert told me they would be open to having a conversation about. that's not a no, not a yes, keach. >> there were two interesting

things on this topic that came up in the hearing. one, she said one possible regulation would be to change section 230, that part of the law that gives broad immunity to social media companies to make them responsible for the effects of their algorithm. so even if you didn't get inside the black box to see the algorithm, the companies would be responsible for the algorithm, and the other she suggested is there needs to be some kind of oversight entity that congress has that can ask basic questions of facebook such as, i don't know, what are the most popular pieces of content on your platform and why? what pieces of the algorithm, what signals in the algorithm are making those things most popular, which is information we just don't have now. we have information about what's the most engaged with content on the platform, but not really

what has the broadest reach. can felt like that suggestion showed us how little we know about this black box. >> ali, let nee go to you because this was a rare instance. i was running around the hill earlier this morning where you are talking to senators about this. this is something where you have bipartisan support in many ways. like, there were moments in the hearing where you had republicans saying to democrats, hey, maybe we should work together on this. which is a contrast to some of what we have seen on other issues lately on the hill. let me play for you something i asked senator blumenthal about outside that hearing room. watch. >> do you believe facebook is acting in good faith when they say, oh, we support regulations too. do you buy that? >> if facebook is serious and honest, there will be legislation for them to support on privacy, on oversight, on protecting children. we'll see whether they're serious. >> ali, what have you heard from your vantage point?

>> i mean, you're right. this is one of those rare moments where we see bipartisanship can exist, because if you listen to that hearing and you hear what senators said afterwards, it's clear that they weren't just asking those questions as lawmakers and people who will legislate around this issue, but also, they were asking these questions as grand parents and parents. all of them republican and democrat alike, pointing to the damage that can and will be done to this generation of children if all of these findings continue to bear out and are true and remain unregulated. i'll play for you a little bit of the democratic senators we heard from specifically, a lot of them promising more action on this. listen. >> mark zuckerberg should be on notice that his days of preying on children and exacerbating real conflicts has come to an end. >> ms. houghen is an american hero of the 21st century warning of a danger to our young people and our democracy. >> next year, early on, we had better turn on the floor of the

united states senate to doing something on tech. i am just sick of the excuses. >> you were there for all of those comments, hallie, but as someone who is up here on the hill regularly, hearings like this tend to beget more hearings like this. so it's the first in i imagine will be a string of hearings about what's going on in social media and part and parcel to the larger conversation that's been happening on the right and on the left about regulating or even breaking up big tech. i know that that's something that when she was faced with that, houghen said that breaking up big tech wouldn't have solved this particular problem. but at the same time, that's a conversation that has already existed up here on the hill. it's possible that these sorts of hearings and the more reports and numbers and data that we get behind them could also energize that conversation in tandem with the larger conversation around 230 and other regulatory measures. >> keach, what do you make of the let's call it muscular defense that facebook has been putting up here over the last really 48 hours but especially

in the last couple hours since this hearing ended? >> so i think it's a little tricky, that part of the defense that says she doesn't really know what she's talking about. this was an employee who had only been there a couple years, she didn't work on these products. she, first of all, did work on a lot of these very specific issues in terms of election integrity and the very core of the algorithm, so we're talking about someone who really understands algorithms profoundly, and as she herself said, she has the documents. she has the receipts, so so much of what we reported on is in facebook's own words. >> can you talk a little bit, jake, let me go to you on this. one thing that came up again and again was about the issue as it relates to kids, right? and you and ali and keach have all touched on this. this idea of how does facebook protect the very youngest. that's what the hearing was largely about, what senator blumenthal and senator blackburn really wanted to focus on here. what questions do you have

remaining on that topic? >> i think we have heard from facebook over and over again when they're asked about the degree to which children are targeted on their various products that you're not allowed to sign up as a child without parental permission. that we don't have children on the platform as a result. but the language is very squirrely on the subject of how many children nonetheless are actually on the platform and how do you make money off of those children, and how does that targeting work, and once we get into the larger questions, one thing that jumped out at me was this idea, as ms. houghen said, that facebook is in the business of doing things as cheaply and as enormous a scale as possible, and algorithms is how that works. she pointed out again and again that offending content and the kind of content you wouldn't want to have reach kids cannot be scrubbed using their current algorithm systems. it's not really possible. so there is obviously some

mismatch there, and i think what we all want to really know is how much money does facebook and its parent -- its body of products make off of children, even though officially their policies don't allow children on the platform. >> a question i asked monika bickert. before we go, let's be real for a quick second, because as keach knows, as jake knows, as people who cover this industry extensively, this is not the first time we have seen a hearing where facebook has had its feet to the fire, but i asked senator marquee about it, and he said this is what changed. francis houghen. i said do you think she was a tipping point? he said i think she might be. i'm paraphrasing that. really? >> we'll see. that's sort of one of those open-ended questions where we have seen these tipping points happen on other issues. i think, for example, two weeks ago, we watched police reform talks fall apart after a summer of protests and activism around the murder of george floyd.

there have been tipping points in recent memory on other issues where congress and the senate seemed primed to get something done, and then once they got to the 10 or 5 yard line, it fell apart. i'm not saying that's what's going to happen here, but i'm also saying that's not what's going to happen here. the more information they have that is tangible, things like what the "wall street journal" reported and the documents that houghen brought to the committee, those things help, though, and the fact it's bipartisan, i know we have seen this before, but i like to believe these movies can have other endings sometimes. it's possible. especially when these lawmakers are as outspoken as they are and they do all have skin in the game as grandparents and parents of kids on these platforms. >> ali vitale, thank you. jacob ward, thank you. keach, great to have you on the show. thanks to all of you. >> we're about to hear from president biden. we think some time in the next 15, 20 minutes, maybe. that's the live shot where he'll be speaking from. he's trying to side step some of the partisan gridlock in

washington on a very different topic. making his case to the american people about his economic and social spending bills. white house correspondent mike memoli is probably on the other side of where the microphones are, and mike, we're learning new details about this meeting the president had with democrats right as he's about to make this new pitch in person there where you are in michigan. >> that's right, hallie. yesterday, we know the president was meeting with the progressives in the democratic caucus. he was telling them that he think he's can get senator manchin and senator sinema somewhere in the ballpark of a $2 trillion plus or minus a couple hundred billion final deal for the larger measure. today, it's about what they call the front liners. the democrats in swing districts on the front lines in a tough midterm election here for targeting by the republican side. so what our colleagues on the hill, ali, who wuyou were talking about as well as leann kauld wn are hearing from their sources that the president previewed a bit of his message

and part is they are closer to an agreement than really is popular being understood at this point. we heard from some of the moderates in that briefing with the president, laying out some of the substantive priorities. the focus for the president today is getting to the substance of what's in the deal rather than the process. so a democrat from iowa said she wanted to see biofuels as part of the final package. we had abigail spanberger from virginia saying she wanted to see the renewal of the child tax credit. as we focus on the event in michigan, we saw an in-person lobbying effort in real time as the president drove from the airport to this event site. elissa slotkin represents the district we are. she said she's for the bipartisan deal, but wasn't sold on the reconciliation deal. she said she wants the final deal to be transformational in terms of its investments in not just infrastructure but also

child care and the auto industry, but she also wants it targeted. wants to make sure the middle class is not bearing the burden here. that's exactly what the president is going to be saying in a short time in his public remarks, making the point that this plan that he put forward in the campaign, he ran on, and is now putting forward before the country is making sure the middle class gets a fair shot. >> that's the slightly blurry video that you're looking at now. no offense intend today the cameraman, the pool camera who is shooting that. that's a live picture of president biden who is holding that meeting before he comes out and makes live remarks. mike memoli, as always, enjoy the construction equipment. thank you. we're going to keep an eye on all of this and head back there in a minute. >> first, republican senator mike braun is joining us next as he plans to vote no tomorrow on suspending the debt ceiling. that's not mike braun, obviously. that's matt gaetz. we'll talk about what a new court filing will mean for him later on in the show. n the show

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building just behind me here, where just in the past hour, we heard from both senate leaders who remain locked in this very high-stakes game of chicken with the entire u.s. economy ahead of tomorrow's vote to suspend the nation's debt ceiling. >> they need to do this. they had the time to do it. and the sooner they get about it, the better. >> if republicans would just get out of the damn way, we could get this all done. >> with me now, senator mike braun, republican from indiana, and a member of the budget committee. senator braun, good afternoon. thanks for being with us. i think this is your first time in our new time slot. hello. >> good to be back on. >> you just heard from chuck schumer. he is asking republicans, and i quote here, to get out of the damn way. why not do it? >> i think that would be kind of easy and convenient, but quick context. when i was running back in '17 and went through the primary in '18 and november got elected, i

watched all this unfold, and my main issue with this place was budget. both parties, i'm one of the few republicans who says it, have been guilty of bringing us into this broken system. you watch from afar, and it looks crazy from a place like indiana. the difference is the tax cut and jobs act, we had the hottest economy pre-covid and raising wages in those difficult places. i think that was $150 billion a year. this is going to map out to about $600 billion a year over eight to ten years. so big difference. this is something that we have never done before. and it's being sold that we're going to pay for a good portion of it, and lot of the tax proposals, even most of the democrats, or many of them wouldn't be for when it gets beyond two or three proposals. so i'm -- >> let's be super clear, though, senator. raising the debt ceiling is

about not defaulting on the money already spent. that was spent under somebody who you supported, one of your party's former leaders, donald trump, right? that was money, those were bills that president trump and that congress racked up that you now have to pay. how are you not going to do that? >> that's part of those trillion dollar deficits that we had evolved to even then. and i wasn't for that. i didn't vote to raise the debt ceiling when i was here in '19. one of the few republicans that will practice what we preach. if you don't have reforms, don't accommodate it. the difference here is that never have we teed up this amount of spending and in the context, hallie, $18 trillion in debt when i got here in january of '19. now $28.4 trillion. this is kicking something down the road, and there's a point, yes, it's like we had an epiphany as republicans. we better practice what we preach when we do get the reins back of lowering deficits and still being engaged in issues

like reforming health care, being involved in a climate discussion with conservative ideas. we don't do that, so we gotta do better when we do get it back. but we have never seen anything like this where not one republican voted for the spending that we now want to raise the debt ceiling to accommodate as well. >> i just have to be super clear, again. the discussion that is happening right now that we talked about a moment ago, that president biden is talk about, is the debt ceiling, getting that raised is money already spent. what i hear from you, senator, and correct me if i'm wrong, i hear you acknowledging in some ways the hypocrisy of your own party when you talk about how it is to use a paraphrase from you, convenient now that republicans are going to go against this. is that fair? >> i'm saying that if there aren't any reform measures associated with anything we do here, i'm not going to be for it. i have been clear that this has evolved of a couple decades of where we have been borrowing to

do the things we consume. coming out of world war ii, debt exceeded at any time in our country's history percentage of gdp. we were savers and investors. we paid it off, built the interstate highway system. we're consumers and spenders now, and that's been both parties. so you have to draw a line in the sand that $6.5 trillion total between rescue and this is spending and a binge we have never seen before, and we both have guilt on how we got here pre-2021. i don't want my fingerprint on it. >> i don't want to belabor the point, of course, some of that spending was done prior to this current administration, and some was in response to this pandemic. just as a businessman, you're a business guy. do you worry about what would happen if in fact we do go over that cliff? right? the effect that a default would have on the economy and the responsibility that your party would have for some of that.

>> so, again, this is accommodating spending that is teed up currently as well, and yes, most of that blame would be on the fact that we have evolved over many years to get where we are. >> as you pointed out. >> sooner or later, we're going to have to reconcile it with all of our concerns and needs we want as each party but not borrow it from our kids and grandkids. i know all americans agree with that. >> let me ask you two other quick topics for you. let's talk about that sort of social spending bill that democrats are trying to work out at this point. sources are telling us president biden told some progressive democrats that he thinks he could get senators manchin and sinema who are on the more moderate end of the democratic caucus opposite yours to support a bill between $1.9 trillion and $2.2 trillion. let me ask you, is that something you could support? is there any number over like $1 you think you could get behind, senator? >> you know, not at that level. and i think that's where it will end up because so --

>> so $1? >> not unless you reform the system in a way that's not gimmicky to where whatever you agree to in the moment, it sets a framework that can't be moved, and i'm talking about term limits, balance budget amendment, or statutory balance budget law. we don't do that here because that takes political will. and that takes backbone, and the only senator i saw that ever talked about it was willing to do it was dr. tom coburn, who was here and left the senate about ten years ago. he talked about reforming the place, even to vote against policy that you like but if it's not built on a solid foundation, you put in at least a protest vote. that's what i'm going to do while i'm here, and until we do it and get people on both sides of the aisle willing to do it, the federal government is going to be a place that gets harder and harder to rein in for all the people that depend upon it, shame on both sides. >> very quickly, i want to ask you about today's senate hearing

with facebook whistleblower frances haugen. where do you stand on washington taking a heavier hand as it relates to big tech and those comparisons between big tech and big tobacco? >> i think that big business in general is that next level of dysfunction in this economy and the way the federal government works. no industry could have the concentration that tech has, and there should be discussions of anti-trust, breaking down these businesses in places where they are no longer competition. get rid of the barriers to entry where you have multiple participants. that's where i competed on main street. and any more, both sides of the ledger seem to accommodate that lack of true competition and tech would be the most visible display of it. so they hold so much disproportionate power in the nature of their business, so i believe markets need to be well

supplied, completely transparent, competitive, and again, republicans and democrats have been void of that point of view. >> senator mike braun, thank you very much for being on the show. we appreciate your time. i know it's a busy week for you and your colleagues. i want to bring in somebody else having a busy week, anna palmer, msnbc contributor. anna, you heard from senator braun there. they're not budging on this debt ceiling thing. does chuck schumer have any other recourse? what happens next? other than for democrats to try do this on their own through reconciliation? >> yeah, i think the senator was really representative of where republicans are here. they are dug in. there is no movement right now that we're seeing from republicans to say, hey, we actually could find those ten votes that would be needed. so chuck schumer is going to have a tough test here. they have still a little time that they could move forward with that reconciliation process. it seems to me the easiest off-ramp for them.

they had this intellectual fight the past several month over hypocrisy and what's right for the country, but at the end of the day, democrats are in control of all three branches of congress and there's a real fear they're going to get blamed not only for the political ramifications, but also the markets after we have an economy that is kind of coming out of covid, so there's a lot of things at play here. >> let's talk about this other sort of big ticket high stakes item on the calendar a little after that october 18th sort of d-day for the debt ceiling according to the treasury secretary. and that is the halloween deadline the democrats have set for themselves on this multi-trillion dollar spending plan. talk us about the latest updates today, and i have more of a policy versus process question for you because it's important. we get it all the time on the show, we talk about what is in the social spending bill. cradle to grave policies that would help people from free universal pre-k, community college help, expansion of care for the elderly, et cetera.

you can see it on the screen here. there is substance to these bills. democrats are talking a lot about process. again, for the second week in a row. dick durbin said today when asked what policies to cut from the bigger spending bill, he said it's like asking to pick your favorite child. if democrats are still talking about process, what does that say? >> a lot of people say they have lost the political fight here. there are a lot of things here when they poll independently or you ask americans across the country what do they like? do they like medicare expansion, paid family leave, pre-karcz, these are things there have been a lot of criticism behind the scenes among democrats and supporters saying why aren't you talking more about that? why are we talking about $3.5 trillion? why don't you sell what is in this because they are so popular. but i think the process is the problem because that is really the sticking point where you have this bipartisan infrastructure bill that would ostensibly have all the votes

but for the fact you have the progressives holding it hostage because they want to make sure this reconciliation package goes forward. that's why you have the process argument happening in congress and joe biden in michigan trying to make the larger point, which is there are a lot of things to talk about that isn't just about the price tag. >> and actually, we should probably update the graphic to put a question mark after the price tag because it's almost certainly not going to be $3.5 trillion at this point based on what we heard. anna palmer, great to have you. >> we're going to take you back live to michigan. speaking of president biden, when he begins speaking, the program has begun, we will dip into that as soon as it begins with the president. >> first, the "wall street journal's" new interview with potential 2024 hopeful nikki haley. what she's now saying about former president donald trump and the prospect of running against him.

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so some new court filings today say the one-time associate of matt gaetz who this associate pleading guilty earlier this year to identity theft and sex trafficking charges wants his sentence delayed again. talking about joel greenberg, and hers attorneys say he's still cooperating with

prosecutors and he will not be done with that before his current sentencing date. tom, we said the words in english of what has happened, right? give us the sort of subtext here. what can we read into this postponement. how are you seeing the tea leaves come together on when greenberg's sentening might happen and what it might mean for the people in his orbit? >> the short answer of when it might happen is likely in march of 2022, into next year. that's when his defense counsel has proposed and what prosecutors appear to have agreed to. now it's up to the judge to set that date. but the key thing here is, you don't postpone sentencing with cooperation is going well. and there's no way that you can look at this and assume it's not going anything but. right now, according to the court filings, greenberg has had multiple proffer sessions with federal investigators. that means he's had opportunities to speak with them. the idea he's had multiple proffer sessions indicates they

have taken his information, gone out and investigated that information, tried to track it down, determine if it's truthful or not, and come back to him with more questions, and tis has happened multiple times and there are several more sessions or at least ongoing discussions and cooperation that's going to occur. this is obviously somebody who is providing information, providing information that's checking out, and important information for investigators to follow up on, on these allegations and investigation into whether or not congressman matt gaetz in fact had a relationship, a sexual relationship with an underaged woman or women, that's something he's strenuously denied but it's investigation that is ongoing and this court filing today, the latest indication that in fact the cooperation is going well by his former associate. >> tom staying on top of it for us. thank you. >> going to take you live to michigan where president biden is speaking on his multi-trillion dollar agenda. let's listen. >> elissa slotkin, you don't

want to screw around with her. she's an intelligence officer as well. she has forgotten more than most of you know. but thanks for riding out with me, and thanks for the advice you have given me. i mean that sincerely. and how we're going to make sure that everything we do here is paid for. paid for, and not a single penny raised in taxes on anybody making under $400,000. and debbie, you're the best in the world. you and john have been friends of mine for so, so long. you have stepped in and taken over in a way that i think has had to be both emotionally difficult but you have done an incredible job. and i consider you one of my great friends. thank you. and dan, you're okay, dan. you ain't quite like the woman next to you, but all kidding aside, dan, you have done a -- i mean, i really mean it. you're always there for everything that's important to constituents, and you

understand, like i will talk about later, the way we built this country from the bottom out and the middle out, not from the top down, and you get it. andy, as my dad would say, you got good blood, kid. thank you for what you're doing. thank you for stepping in, and thank you for the great job you do. michigan, i also have -- i was also fortunate to have an outstanding united states senators who are doing what they're supposed to do, they're in washington because the senate is in. debbie and gary are in washington now to catch some really important votes to keep things moving. and of course, it'sigate to be here with my friend, we have become friends. the outstanding governor, one of the best governors in the united states of america, and her lieutenant governor, who covers her in every way. both in terms of physically and mentally and every other way. and thank you for all you did to help me get elected. i really mean it. thank you, thank you, thank you. look, i know there's a lot of noise in washington. there always is, but it seems to

me a little more than usual now. a whole lot of hyperbole, a lot of heat, and i'm here today to try to set some things straight if i can. i want to talk about what's fundamentally at stake for our country now at this moment. i know it's an overused phrase bought i have been using it a lot. we're at an inflection point. anywhere from 40 to 80 years in america, there's an inflection point and we have to choose what direction we're going to go, not democrat or republican, but what are we -- who are we going to be? for a long time, america set the pace across the entire globe. for the better part of the 20th century, we led the world by a significant margin in investments in ourselves, in our people, in our country. we invested in our infrastructure, in our roads, highways, bridges. ports, airports, the arteries of the nation. that allowed commerce to function smoothly and swiftly and allow us to generate significant income. we invested in our people and

opportunity. we're among the first to provide access, for example, to free education. it's the reason why in the 20th century, we began to take off. it was back in the late 1890s we decided we were going to be the first nation that every single american regardless of their background but based on income would have free 12 years of education. we invested to win the space race. we led the world in research and development. we led to the creation of the internet, and you know, then something happened. we slowed up. we stopped investing in ourselves. america is still the largest economy in the world, we still have the most productive workers and the most innovative minds in the world, but we risk losing our edge as a nation. our infrastructure used to be the best in the world. literally. not figuratively. today, according to the world economic forum, we rank 13th. our infrastructure, 12 nations have a better infrastructure

than we do, which means they can move product, they can do so many things better than we can do it. we're among the first in the world to guarantee access to universal education. now, the organization of economic cooperation and development ranks america 35th out of 37 major countries when it comes to investing in early childhood education as a percent of gdp. think of that. think of that. of all the industrial nations in the world, the instinct americans would say if you asked them 25 years ago, they would say we're number one. we're not. there are only two industrial nations that are lower than us. all those investments that fueled a strong economy, we have taken our foot off the gas. we have taken -- we have just, i don't know what's happened. the world has taken notice, by the way, including our adversaries. and now they're closing the gap in a big way. so it's essential that we regain our momentum we have lost and

you know, the work of our time, it seems to me, those of us who hold public office, is to prepare ourselves to be more competitive and to win the fast changing 21st century in the global economy. things are changing incredibly quickly. that's why i propose two critical pieces of legislation. being debated back in washington right now. the first, build investment in our physical infrastructure, and the second, a bill to invest in our human infrastructure. i'll talk about both of these bills in a moment, but first, can want to set one thing straight. these bills are not about left versus right or moderate versus progressive or anything that pits americans against one another. these bills are about competitiveness versus complacency. they're about opportunity versus decay. they're about leading the world or continuing to let the world pass us by, which is literally happening. so support these investments is to create a rising america, an

america that is moving. to oppose these investments is to be complicit in america's decline. to support these bills is to pursue a broader vision of our nation and to oppose them is to accept a very cramped view of our future. this isn't about two pieces of legislation. it's about the inflection point i mentioned earlier we are in our history, the world history. so here's what i'm proposing. first, the infrastructure bill. it's about rebuilding our roads, our highways, our bridges, our ports, our airports, our broadband, all of the things that need repair. our arteries of our economy have always been fueled by the economic dynamism of americans. across the country right now, 45,000 bridges and 173,000 miles of roads, according to engineers, the site of engineers, are in poor condition.

right now. including more than 1200 bridges that the governor has been fighting to repair here in your state. 7,300 miles of roads here in michigan. i'll bet everyone in this room can tell me what the most dangerous intersection in this town or any town they live in and where it is. if you hold your breath when you're driving over, trying to cross the street. not a joke. working with the governor and members of the congress here, we're going to put hard working americans like the operating engineers on the job to bring back our infrastructure and bring it up to speed. good union jobs. not $12, $15, $18, prevailing wage jobs. wage that gives you dignity, that you can raise a family on. that you can hold your head up. this is a blue-collar blueprint for how we restore america's pride. and the jobs can't be outsourced.

we're going to put plumbers and pipefitters to work replacing lead pipes in america so families and children can drink clean water. 400,000 schools, i mean, it's not just our homes. it's across the country. we're going to put line workers and electricians to work laying thousands of miles of transmission lines and build modern snaufr energy grid. we're going to make high-speed internet available to everyone in america. we talked about it on the way over. how short the number of people who have access to the internet here because of the lack of investment. we're going to make the largest investment in public transit in american history. and we're going to make the most important investment in our rail system since the creation of amtrak 50 years ago. let me tell you, our competitors aren't hanging around to wait to see what we're going to do. they have been pouring billions of dollars into the infrastructure and training their people for years now. take china, for example.

now, i have been clear that china uses unfair practices to get ahead with their competitors, but that's not the whole of the story. they also invest in themselves. in recent years, china has spent around three times as much on infrastructure as a share of their economy as we have. three times. they're not slowing down. yesterday, my u.s. trade representative delivered an important speech on our competition with china. she pointed out that china made a major investment in steel plants beginning about 20 years ago. and the last 20 years, half of america's steel companies have shuttered. we went from 100 u.s. steel companies to 51. and employment in america's steel industry dropped by 40% since the year 2000. china now produces more steel in one month than america does in an entire year. you can see it in the sector after sector. other countries are speeding up

and america is falling behind. we have got to reset the pace again. we have to set a different pace. for example, here in michigan, we need to make sure that american autoworkers lead the world on electric vehicles. some of you came to the white house when i had the chairman of the board of general motors, chrysler and gm. general motor, chrysler, and ford. you know, and what did they decided to do? they decided they were going to lead the world and build more of the electric vehicles than any other country, but guess what. china's not waiting around. they manufactured more than twice as many electric vehicles as we have over the last decade. they control more than 75% of the battery market and they're poised to invest another $14 billion in charging capacity now in their country. back in may, i had the chance to

tour ford's facility in dearborn where workers are building the first ever all electric ford f-150. i got to drive that sucker. it's quick and it's a big boy. it's a big one. months later, i hosted the big three automakers at the white house where the f-150 was joined by the hummer and wagoneer. all going electric. the whole world knows the future of the auto industry is electric and we need to make sure america doesn't fall behind. we should build the vehicles to get them here in the united states of america. here in the state of michigan. i want those jobs, i really mean it. i want those jobs here in michigan. not halfway around the globe. that's what my plan will do. the infrastructure bill will put in motion the union workers on the job installing national network of hundreds of thousands

of charging stations along our roads and highways and communities where 500,000 of them. and when you build a charging station, it's like back in the day when my grand pop worked for american auto company back in the 1920s, in that area. went from state to state convincing people they allowed them to put 20,000 gallons of gasoline under the ground. but guess what happened. everything builds up around them. you'll see significant economic development go well beyond the charging station and the build back better plan will boost our manufacturing capacity, investing in facilities that employ american workers. that includes grants to kick start new batteries. purchasing incentive for families to buy clean, union made vehicles like the ones

championed by debbie and dan, the senate and the house. and loans and tax credit to boost clean vehicle manufacturing. these are the kinds of investments that get america back in the game and give our workers a chance. my plan also makes historic investments in clean energy, including tax credits to help people weatherize their homes, install solar panels, develop clean energy products to help businesses produce more clean energy. all told, this project will save literally hundreds of millions of barrels of oil on a yearly basis. those credits could cut the cost of installing rooftop solar. helping the country cut its emissions. my infrastructure bill will put americans to work in long overdue national environmental clean up. i want a job corp. just like roosevelt had. of over 160,000, 1.6 million

people. that means good jobs. capping hundreds of thousands abandoned oil wells. we have thousands and thousands of abandoned wells with leaks. well, guess what, the miners and people who have dug those, they'll get paid the same amount to cap them now. this could help us meet the moment of the climate crisis and do away. it's going create good jobs. folks, here in michigan, you all know the cost of extreme weather. all of you remember the flooding this summer that shut down parts of i-96. the power outages and tornado warnings. they're costing the state billions of dollars. nationally, last year, last year, because of extreme weather, cost america $99 billion.

$99 billion, taxpayers. i went all over the country. out west with the fires. you know, more has burned down in the northwest than the entire state of new jersey. that's how much we've lost. you see what's happened with the droughts that are out there. you see reservoirs that are down 30, 40, 50 feet. worried about cooling down. worried about you're going to have what the colorado river's going to do. this is a big deal. this is gigantic. and we're not going to ease up. we're not going to ease up on any of this. we have to invest in resilience. resilience. you saw texas, the entire power grid went down. because they had no resilience. the ability to build back and build things stronger. why a lot of those fires in the far west? because guess what. it's a hell of a lot safer to have those wires underground.

not being knocked down by high winds and tornados and the like causing fires. look, i haven't passed a major infrastructure bill for decades in this country. it used to be a normal thing to do. used to be a bipartisan thing to do. if we get this done, we're ging to breathe new life into our economy and our workers and we're going to breathe cleaner air. economists left, right, and center agree. early this year, wall street, not some liberal think tank, wall street and moody's projected that the investments in these bills could help our economy create an additional 2 million jobs per year. every year. 2 million per year. that's going to be transformative. here's the deal. the jobs are people who too often felt left behind and were left behind. left out. 90% of the jobs in this bill, my

infrastructure plan, don't require a four-year college degree. we need to get this done. but it isn't enough to just invest in our physical infrastructure. we're going to lead the world like we used to. if we're going to do that, we have to invest in our people. like you do right here in this training facility. that's why my second bill, the build back better plan, that's what it does. take education, for example. when america said everyone is entitled to 12 years of free publication, universal, a century ago, it gave us the best educated, best prepared workforce in the world. that was one of the reasons america began to grow so rapidly. why we led the world the bulk of the 20th century. but guess what. if you're going to put together a committee today, like they did in 1898 i think it was, and we're going to invent a

publication system, there's any chance we'd say we thought 12 years was enough in the 21st century? just 12 years? i don't think so. study after study shows the earlier our children begin to learn in school, not day care, the better. for themselves. for their families. no matter what the background they come from. no matter what their background. recent university studies point out that they're increased by 56% the chances to get all the way through 12 years of school without getting in trouble. it's a gigantic deal. doesn't matter whether mom or dad know how to read or write. right now, we're lacking behind. while other countries are investing in their children. today, only about half of 3 and 4-year-olds in america are enrolled in early childhood education. in germany, france, the united kingdom, latvia, the number's

more than 90%. 90% of their 3 and 4-year-olds. we're falling further and further behind the curve. it's not just education. according to one study, we ranked 33 out of 44 advanced economies when it comes to the percentage of our young people who have attained a post high school degree. anything after high school. we're the bottom of the heap. i bet if you're on a quiz show, maybe you would have said maybe we're two or three or four. it's ridiculous. my plan gets us back on track. we'll make four additional years of publication available to every person in america. two years of high quality preschool at the front end and investments to community colleges so students can carve out a place for themselves. and also increase pell grants. for families making less than 50

grand. helping them get through community college or a historically black colleges in order to be able to get a shot. and we'll invest in historically black colleges to make sure young people have a shot at good paying jobs. look, this bill also invests in our workforce by providing so much needed breathing room for working families. after all, how can we compete in the world? if millions of american parents, especially moms, can't join the workforce because they can't afford the cost of childcare, eldercare, have to stay home. here in michigan, the average two-parent family spends $10,400 on childcare costs for just one child each year. 30 years